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How to sound like Deftones - White Pony [Snare Drum Recreation]

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The video shows my process to reverse-engineering a drum tone from scratch. From frequency analysis to identify the fundamental note of the drum, to drum size, shell type and drum head selection, tuning, and also some mixing processes, we end up with a pretty awesome result and learned a few things along the way!
White Pony is truly a seminal record and one that has continued to influence my musical choices since the first time it entered my ears. The combination of Abe Cunningham & Terry Date truly created something special on this record.
Who should we do next?
Check out my Patreon for samples of the snare taken from the session!
Patreon: / eligreendrums
Check out the full drum cover:
• Deftones - Digital Bat...
Vented Snare video:
• Power Drill + Snare Dr...
Drums used:
14x5.75 Evetts Spotted Gum
14x5 Dixon Chaos
Evans Hybrid/Remo Hazy Snare Side
22x14, 12x8, 14x14, 16x15 C&C Player Date II
22" Dream Contact Ride
18 & 20" Dream Energy Crashes
14" Dream Contact over Energy Hats
20" Dream Lion China
8" Dream Bliss Splash
10" Dream Contact Splash
Mics:
Kick: Behringer BA19A, Shure Beta 52a, Warm 47JR
Snare: Beyerd Dynamic m201 / SM57
Toms: CAD M179
Overheads: Rode NT5
Mono Room: Carillon Axis 88
Knee Mic: SM7B
Close Rooms: MXL V76G
Far Rooms: Superlux SDC
Mono Room: Carillon Axis 8

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19 июн 2024

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@antonk3067 Месяц назад

Man, drummers that can record are a blessing. No magical thinking, only straight to the point pragmatic approach, bravo!

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thanks! I try! Haha

@slayabouts Месяц назад

I’d love for this kind of video on David Sandstrom’s (of Refused) drum sound on the album The Shape Of Punk To Come. Not just the snare, but the toms too… both are absolutely outstanding. The kick sounds good when the rest of the band cuts out, but gets lost in the mix and winds up being felt more than heard

@slayabouts Месяц назад

If you decide to do the video, I DM’d a few of the producers on that album. At the time, I think I had maybe a year of trying to produce my own music under my belt so I didn’t really ask the best questions, but Eskil Lovstrom was kind enough to answer some of those newbie questions. When I realized some time later that I should have asked better questions, I tried to ask some follow up questions but he understandably never responded. Here’s what I got, so hope it helps! - A couple of kits actually but the main kit was a DW kit 22"/14"/16"/18" and some pretty big cymbals. The other drums were used for special sound such as in the jazzy mid 8 in The Deadly Rhythm - Memory fails a bit but during that time we used quite a bit of tube-mics and I know for sure that Manley Ref C was used (as a mono amb for the kit maybe 1 m in front of the kickdrum) and Microtech geffel (tube) was also inwolved, probably as ambience-mics in the studio - A studio that is roughly 85 sq-meters. Quite "woody" the actual room.

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

This is awesome! I love that record and it has a wicked sound. I wouldn’t have thought to do it, but I might have to. Thanks for the info! Super helpful!!

@slayabouts Месяц назад

@@EliGreenDrums I’d be extremely grateful, I’ve been chasing that drum sound for years haha

@DiamondLifer Месяц назад

I second this. His drum sound on that album was very unique against the bands sound.

@nicoeleich Месяц назад

Man… From someone who suffers with snare mixing, i really appreaciate this video … tons of work for sure 👏🏻👏🏻

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thanks so much!

@atomicsun72 Месяц назад

3 weeks well spent. Excellent video man. Keep em coming 👍

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thanks bro!

@axelcapurro2211 Месяц назад

Super amazing job! Sounds awesome!

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thank you!!

@S1L3NTD34TH Месяц назад

I'm 4 mins in to this video and it's already insane quality. Also jealous of the Loathe top! Nice work man

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thanks mate! I made the first 4 minutes great and the 26+ after really shit. Haha! Loathe are super sick.

@maximilian.scarpa Месяц назад

Great video as always! Nailed the sound, and hey, no matter how you achieve it, as long as it sounds great, there is no "weird way" to do things, especially art. I think what Terry did on White Pony, specifically Digital Bath, is one of the greatest mixes of all time. Very much represents the period of time it was created in since it sounds so "natural" and "familiar", but it's also timeless, fresh and never gets old...a bit weird, put this way, but that's my interpretation of it, lol! Digging the verbs of the room mics, that's very reminiscent of Terry's sound too!

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thank you mate! I subscribe to the notion of “if it sounds good, it’s correct” - but there were definitely a few choices that were a less efficient way of getting to the end result haha. But definitely happy over all!

@UnlikePluto Месяц назад

dude your channel is AWESOME, I subbed to you immediately. Thank you for what you do :)

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thanks so much dude!!

@waterwoodguitars6871 Месяц назад

This was such an incredibly in depth, awesome video. I’ve never heard of you or seen your content, but I’m subscribed now. Fantastic work!

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thanks so much mate! I appreciate the kind words and the sub!

@Axeltab Месяц назад

GREAT work

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thanks so much!

@tomnaumann2104 Месяц назад

Really nice work on this video. Excellent mixing tips!

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thank you!’

@TheSaturnCinema Месяц назад

You are doing God's work with this video. I appreciate you sharing your process, as while it's great to find and recreate the iconic Abe snare sound, you've also shared a lot of Abe/ Deftones- inspired snare tones for any us of inspired by this music, and gave me a great reference for my own music too!

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thank you dude! That’s so cool to hear. I’m really glad you have got something from this!

@jnsaudio81 Месяц назад

This is just wow

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thank you!

@ericventimiglia6482 Месяц назад

Bro, really loving your channel. Found you during the Paramore snare video. I see you doing well on RU-vid. Deftones and Paramore snares are my favorite. Great minds think alike lol. Cheers!

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Thanks so much mate! Hard to go wrong with those bands for ripping drum tones!

@f1045 Месяц назад

Amazing Recreation videos! I'd would be amazing to see a Chris Adler snare recreation from his last Lamb of God Albums.

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Dude this is a great call. I’d have to do sacrament for both the snare AND the typewriter kick

@thomasnussbaum4711 Месяц назад

Great Video! It don't match your musical taste but a tutorial about Alex van Halen's Snare sound would be great. There aren't too many videos to that topic.

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

That could be super fun! Great suggestion!

@thomasnussbaum4711 Месяц назад

@@EliGreenDrums Awesome!

@RobBraithwaite Месяц назад

I don’t even drum I just subbed for the cute drummer , hung around and learnt stuff

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

My job is complete. ❤️

@BeatsAndMeats Месяц назад

I e always said that there’s two snare sounds that sound god-tier: 1) The Black Album/Hail to the King/Misery Business fat thick nasty snare. 2) The Deftones pancake snare Great video my man!

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

I feel like black album should be a video in itself but MAN that would be a challenge

@BeatsAndMeats Месяц назад

@@EliGreenDrums ArtofDrumming did a Black Album video and he NAILED the kick and toms, but did not nail the snare, no samples. Martin Krarup has a Sad But True drum cover where he nailed the snare, kick, and cymbals, but did not nail the toms, used room samples. Lauten microphones just released a video where they went to the drum room the Black Album was recorded in, with the actual engineer who did it, and surprise it sounded almost exact. I don’t know if it’s possible to get everything right without a huge ass room… I think that Avenged Sevenfold “Shepherd of Fire” did the Black Album drum sound better than the Black Album, that’s right I said it! Check it out if you haven’t heard it! If it took 3 weeks to get the Deftones sound, hopefully the Black Album sound wouldn’t take so long since these other guys have come reasonably close, maybe you could borrow some techniques from them!

@antonk3067 Месяц назад

@@EliGreenDrums There was a nice video about recording drums on Black Albuma week or two ago, they have actually brought THE kit to THE studio. Turns out it was a Gretch!

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

@antonk3067 saw that! Was unreal!

@goddamnzordan Месяц назад

I do similar thing on my channel, I try to get the sound close but not this in depth, I try to dress like drummer and sometimes make video look like their video haha, I love the channel bro

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Love it! I like those little nods and references! I snuck a little Easter egg in to the misery business cover for the same reason. No ones noticed it yet!

@XeRo333 Месяц назад

In the next video, we should see how to get II's whole drum sound, including the toms and kick, since you've already done a video on the snare.

@SoundAloneband Месяц назад

That would be a mix of standard trigger 2 samples. Like every other new metal drum sound. I doubt those are natural drum tones.

@CzokoBoongo Месяц назад

IMO Around the fur snare is better

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Oh yeah, that one is sick. But to me the true hero of that drum sound is the 10” tom. My own summer wouldn’t be the same without it haha

@patricktuazon Месяц назад

i second this!

@SaintKines Месяц назад

@EliGreenDrums is that tom the very first hit of the song? Not a drummer and I've been trying to figure it out.

@davidbleus3053 Месяц назад

I use those CAD mics on toms too.

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

They’re honestly secret weapons. Super underrated mic. Also fantastic on outside kick.

@davidbleus3053 Месяц назад

@@EliGreenDrums Yeah i agree! Never used them on outside kick but i might try that tomorrow. Thanks for the tip. I also use one in omni in my "hallway reverb chamber" :)

@driadamusicoterapia Месяц назад

❤❤❤❤

@alberto149mc Месяц назад

@declanwhite Месяц назад

Ive done sm57 on china many times haha. good rejection

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Yeah that’s true. It just sounds like ass 😂

@declanwhite Месяц назад

@@EliGreenDrums EQ is your friend

@thepluggy1 Месяц назад

469 on the reso? Holy shit thats insanely high! How does it feel to play, hard on the wrists at all?

@EliGreenDrums Месяц назад

Dude it’s wild. It’s like a a marble countertop haha. It feels really firm under the hand unsurprisingly but if you have a looser grip it’s totally fine.