@@marleythefrenchbulldog4237 can't recall name.. but he sings something about Kurt Cobain and LeBron James. He sings a lot about steroid users and heroin users
I think what is most important for Tims tone is, that he plays hard as hell. The clacking come from the strings hitting the bass. Also, newer strings are always a good idea
Great video! In my opinion I think the key difference are the strings, The clean tone needs to be brighter so the fuzz can be a little less bright and have a little more mids. That's what I'd do anyway.
To me, Tim's best tone was on The Battle of Los Angeles. From this era stem most of his tonal ways. The sound on Testify or Calm like a Bomb is just beyond awesome! I guess the main culprit is a cranked SVT, to get that low-end distortion from the tubes. Unfortunately, not many people have the room or the neighbors to push a 300 Watts tube amp to the maximum. I'll be getting bias amp soon and will try my best to get even in the ballpark of Tim's sound. Awesome video though!
The problem is that his tone changed A LOT over time. Different basses, amps, overdrives. You got close to the clean tone of the song, but not so much on the distorted one. An overdrive or distortion would be a better option instead of a fuzz.
With that brighter tone… you Won’t get it from this sub Ray, they have really mid heavy pickups. I upgraded mine with seymour duncan and its huge improvement, sounds more like stingray… also its connected in parallel
First of all wasn't this album produced at sound city studio. I mean sound city vs plug ins on a laptop, no brainer. And you can hear it's a tone from a speaker driven through an amp, (an SVT) 🎤 up. Sounds like a 15" when inch isolated, could be wrong tho. Also new strings, lighter gauge, better pickups and higher attack on the bridge pickup all will brighten this up.
Timmy C is the Mad Scientist,Tinkerer,Tony Stark of Rock Bass! I have Loved his tone all through the Years whether it be with Rage,Audioslave WAKRAT or Prophets. The Dude is one of the Greats and an Integral part of the Sound of any Band He plays with! TIMMY C!!!
I think that album was DI only, plus the Sterling by MM bass used in the video is less bright to begin with due to pickups beig wired in series. Just plug in a Stingray with low action and tweak the onboard preamp plus reverb and there it is.
Hey dude, Good effort, though as you mentioned, Tim doesn't use his Killing tone any more. Studio tones are always hard to recreate because they can always be tweaked after the recording during the mixing process. I remember a Tom Morello interview where he mentioned that while he (Tom) stuck to one tone, Tim had gone through like nine tones or something. One major goof you committed is that the Timmy rig rundown is his Wakrat rig, not his RATM rig. If you look carefully, you can see his RATM rig behind the Wakrat rig covered in tarps. That said, the tone you came up with is actually a decent fit for his live tone which is a lot less bright and more distortion heavy. It's kind of like what you can hear on Live At The Grand Olympic Auditorium.
There is... legend has it, an archive on the internet of full multitracks (AKA stems) that was ripped from Guitar Hero. So any song that appeared on guitar hero is normally out there, to those who search hard enough. Listen to enoug stems, and trust me.... your ears and brain will develop in truly insane ways. It's the music version of doing steroids and stimulants... literally snorting coke and smashing tren! You'll sure as hell get somewhere really damn fast, but there are mad side effects to deal with, like having a crystal clear benchmark for tone. That shit is absolutely mind-bending when you're listening to Muse stems.... good luck getting any Chris Wolstenholme tones until you've basically walked for so long in his footsteps that you've started catching him up! That said, if you're willing to put the years in to understand what you're hearing, and recreate it, you WILL end up with absolutely JACKED bass tones, trust me. Listening to stems is like some sort of black magic.
"At this point I might need to get new strings" 😂 I'm there going "Ahhh shit, does he know how fresh Tim's strings sound?". He do. On a side note, Chris Wolstenholme of Muse is well known to be a massive RATM fan, and he's absolutely notorious for using DR Hi-Beams (incredibly bright) for over half his carrer. Not only that, they're not kidding when they say he has fresh strings on every single bass, every single show. Not just because he can, but because DR Hi-Beams sound absolutely incredible when fresh, but really don't last long. I hate that about them, but they're absolute magic when that bright fresh sound hits a Big Muff, Animato or Woolley Mammoth. Plenty of other styles of music rely on having broken in bass strings.... Muse/RATM absolutely and categorically do not, it's all about fresh strings. Use anything else, and it's just an insane fight to jack the living shit out of what precious little highs there are. Remember that its often better to have too much to work with tonally, as cutting/filtering highs is perfectly possible... adding IN highs to a signal that doesn't have any doesn't work: past a certain point, you literally can't EQ boost what simply isn't there. The sole hope at that point is like... saturation or distortion to create new harmonic content from what's there, but that's usually a last ditch resort in mixing!
As you said in the beginning of your video, Tim's tone has changed a lot over time. I would be interested in you doing the same exercise for Tim's playing w/ Audioslave, anything off the first album.
As I've gotten deeper into this, I've found that most bassists change pretty dramatically over the years. It's almost easier to dial into a specific song, especially when you get to someone like Chris Wolstenholme. I may revisit Tim at some point, but I have a lot of other bassists to cover as well.
@@ampthebassplayer I was in an Audioslave cover band briefly. I tried to get his tone but I still find it elusive. He does not do the "high end clank" anymore. He has a really fat and distorted tone - big bottom end, a huge sound. Very heavy, yet, different than bands that you would think of as heavy. I don't know anybody that sounds quite like him. He moved away from slap bass early on in RATM and he has developed a sound unique to him.
@@larsetom1 That's really cool. I never got super into Audioslave, but I'll put that on my list and see if I can get to it at some point. That major change over time could be an interesting point to explore. Same bassist, completely different sound.
I see you're playing on a Sterling stingray. How do you like it? I'm a drummer/guitarist but I'm looking to get my first bass for recording purposes and I'm looking at the Sterling stingray and a squier p bass. Just something relatively cheap, but decent quality.
I don’t think you could go wrong either way. If you have the option, play both and see which one you like more, and if you can’t decide, choose the one you think looks cooler.
Man i am an avid stingray fan but it depends on your style of music and how you want your bass to sound A p is gonna be smoother and overall a good soft sounding tone A MM (stingray) is gonna sound more harsh and aggressive The MM wont have as good of a smooth tone as a p but it can still do it A p isn’t gonna be as aggressive as a MM but it can still be aggressive So it is all up to how you want it to sound
I discovered your channel and I'm amazed ❤🎉! We love RATM but i will request my favorite bass player! Krist Novocelic of Nirvana! Can you do a Video? ❤ Cheers
Wait in the picture you were using to show tim, his stingray looks like it has a single coil in the neck position. That’s probably why your tone wasn’t as bright as his, it’s like a Lakland
Well, hopefully I’ll get closer in the next episode! Always room for improvement, and even if I don’t quite nail the tone exactly, the process of analyzing sounds and being able to articulate what you’re hearing is useful. I appreciate the feedback and I hope you’ll stick around for the next ones.
Come on man! How long did you try? 5 minutes? That was galaxy’s away from his tone. Just slapping a fuzz in front of the amp makes you loose the low end. Which happened impressively. 😂 That video was no help at all. But you‘re cool so I like it anyway.
