How to Stack or Move Mutations | Breeding Mutations Explained Ingame ► Ark Survival Ascended 

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Thanks, yeah I normally use the super spyglass mod for that

Just breed with females that have no mutations

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The only reason you do low level is when you don't have the perfect tames YET. If you do, then start on those. Add the 2 lines and then breed with no mutation dino to stack all mutations to the one side again so you can add a 3rd, 4th, 5th mutation line

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Glad you enjoyed it! I forgot the name as I used it quickly, it was the most popular one at the time about mutations

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No it's not the same. Each mutation is a random chance. But passing down the mutation stack is almost half the odds as getting the first mutation.

Doesnt matter. Ony if you intend to use the imprinted dino for fighting

If you imprint, you make it hard to track the base stat values, imprinting doesn't affect baby stat levels

Yes because you can move then mutation stacks onto a better Dino with high base stata later on

The downside is that both are not guranteed to breed down, sometimes you might get the new hp mutation on the baby but it doesn't get the melee so you have to kill it and keep breeding hoping that you keep both mutated stats PLUS getting a new mutation on one of them. Depends how lucky you are

That makes sense thank you!

If you stay on the male side and breed with females with zero mutations then the babies mutations all move over to the male side above 20/20

does it have to be male? or can you do female lines only as well?@@ConCon

You can do female line as well but the females have time between each breed when male can go all the time

Yeah they are super strong

Ah yeah it requires still a bit of knowledge on general breeding to understand how to take it further. In general ark is filled with lots of info to try absorb

The basic one was the one before this that he mentioned at the beginning. I highly recommend watching that one - easily the best mutation video and the first that made it make sense to me

I haven't heard of it but I'll do some research

Not possible.

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Well you'll more likely breed the melee son until you get a melee and another stat mutation to continue, its just more of a lucky chance to happen

Yes, you would want to have separate line of stam males. When you have all the stats finished mutating you can combine the health & melee as in the video onto a female, then mate her with the final stam male until you get a baby (ideally a male & female pair) with all the three final stats.

Is it possible to do this with more than 3 stats? Like having an Argie with maxed Health, Stam, Weight, and Melee? As long as you have separate mutation lines?

Yes you can

Ignore the oxygen mutation its a waste. The males can have any mutation amount you have but try use females that have zero mutations

You then have to hope each baby gets the Melee AND the HP. So it takes longer because sometimes you will get the melee increase but the HP doesn't pass down so you have to throw it away.

It's 254 on each stat, and not sure about the max % for weapons

254 mutation levels is the max for each stat; each mutation raises the mutation level by +2, so you would need 127 mutations in a stat to reach that max. I know the ASE official servers also had a total level cap (450 for most dinos, 500 for some others), which meant you could only get one stat that high; not sure if the ASA offical servers have the same level cap.

755.3% is still the max weapon damage

When you breed with a clean female the mutations will all move to one aide

I'm not sure about exact values and probabilities

I heard that each parent provides a 3.5% chance as long as they are under 20/20 mutations on both sides. So you get a 7% combined chance until a parent reaches 20/20 mutations on one side. If the other parent still has less than 20/20, then you can still get the 3.5% chance from that one. Keeping the mutation on the patrilineal side should let you use the 7% chance for as long as possible. If anyone finds anything wrong with this info, please correct me so we may all benefit 😊 but this is what I have gathered from the material I've seen.

Okay you answered in the last part of the video haha, do you recommand any patterns to get good health/melee mutation ?

What do you mean by patterns? Its actually faster to make an individual breeding line for the melee stat and another one for the health stat and once both are high enough, breed them together to get a dino with both high stats.

It would get both full lines

No idea to be honest

Remember the baby has like 50% chance to get the mother or the father's stat, and then you still have to hope the mutation lands on the right stat while hoping that it's getting the stat from the father. If you add more stats into this then you have to play those odds as well to keep both the right stats passing down

Once you have the amount you want, you make a male of one line and a female of the other and breed them together to get both mutation stacks on one dino

@@ConCon makes sense, thank you

Sounds like you're using a female with mutations, when you breed with them it starts multiplying the counters you see out of 20. Thats why I say don't breed with females that have mutations otherwise you lock yourself out of progressing later on once both sides are over 20. If you did everything correctly then you should never have more than 1 mutation showing in the maternal side because each time you breed with a mom that has zero mutations, the mutations all move to the paternal side.

Which ever you prefer

That can work as well

You can either split the males and make a stam mutation line or a melee one separately which you join later on. Either is possible.

Is ASA it doesn't matter since you can move the mutation stack to the higher levels later. Breed with what you have

Only do one stack at a time , what I do is 4 females to one health male mutt and keep swapping the male out and stack on just the male only health, then u can do the same thing for just melee get that to whatever you want I did 45 on health and 45 on melee then when they are where you want them get a male and female and breed together to combine both and then ur done but keep the single ones incase u wanna breed them more in the future

What salty said is true

Thanks! I have another question tho. All the moms im breeding (9 moms) are siblings that have the same stats in melee. ¿is that wrong? because im not getting much mutations. @@saltysavage225

No because you tame lower levels earlier in your game before finding the perfect max level dinos. So you can already start with mutations early on

As long as the health value is higher on each baby

@@ConCon Ah ok gotcha thanks!

Its only significant if you just started the character today and don't have any tames going yet, its a way to get a headstart before you find the best tames. If you ALREADY have the perfect pair, start with them.

It's very hard to do it that way, it's best to have each line separate because not every mutation breeds down each time as I'm sure you've noticed. Also try get a lot more clean females

@@ConCon thanks I will start fresh

You can but it becomes a little harder because sometimes you get the melee increase but the HP didn't carry down, so it splits and you need to keep trying until you get both HP and Melee and then a new mutation on top.

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No, level does not matter. The idea is that you can start breeding mutations EARLY in the game before you've tamed the best max level dinos. Because sometimes it can take days before you find a good max level dino

@@ConCon ohhhh okay gotcha, that makes a lot of sense then

@@ConCon So if you have a low level Dino with mutations that you worked hard to breed for and tame a max level later on, you can simply breed the mutations onto the new max level? Just confirming that I understand what took place.

1. A dino's level is distributed into all it's stats. Theoretically the max is the level of the dino. But almost impossible to get a dino with all its points into one stat. 2. Taming efficiency. If you have 100% taming efficiency you get extra levels in the creature, they are randomly assigned into any stat. Its like a gacha game and you have to hope you get more levels in the right stats you want.

When you keep the moms without mutations you can stack past 20 on the paternal side infinitely (or up to 254 points in the mutation counter for each stat, because 255 or higher removes all the increases)

@@ConCon if you go to 254 you can still add levels from levelups though without breaking it, right? Also, you should breed your original two to have ALL stats the same, because then looking for mutations is simply looking for a +2 levels. You had your "perfect females" with 224 and 219.. but if they were the same it would be much easier to spot mutations. It's fairly easy to breed up base "perfects" that have the same level, but it is one extra step.. worth it in the end.

It really depends on RNG

2 different lines will be easier; if you try to stack 2 or more stats at once you will be constantly running into the issue where one of the stats gets a desired mutation, but the other stat ends up getting the clean female's stat, not the mutated one.

A mutation will always be 1/20 and add BOTH a stat and colour

@@ConCon thank you so much :)

Yes you can breed it with a clean male to get a male baby with the mutation stack, but its very rare because you can only make 1 baby at a time

Is it higher than the first mutation? If not then it sounds like a wasted mutation or something.

The color change with each mutations can change any of the colors at random. So yes it can be overwritten.

@@ConCon but does that mean the color is always linked to the mutation stat you want? Lets say you have a color with a worse stat, but to get that higher stat you always get the color you don't want?

You can't clear it. You need new females then

Females need to have zero mutations

Are you sure, do you have any clips you can show maybe? This definitely wasn't the case in ASE since the mutation point was functionally identical to a real point.

@@Surxe Tbh I'm working those figures out based on ConCons video, it could be different breeding in game but I dont see why it would? I dont mind being proved wrong as a % based on the actual stat would be far better. If you look at the numbers in the video, everytime he gets a mutation it goes up by 11.56% not a % of the stat figure. I hope this makes sense? I'm also not saying this is the official number in game btw, I'm just saying that in this video each mutation point goes up the same value.

@@Surxe If you look from 10.50 onwards he shows that the high level wolf gets the 6 mutation points (3 actual points) and that the melee before was 399.1 but with the 3 points added its goes to 433.8 which is a difference of 34.7/3 = 11.56 Now if you go back to the start of the vid when he first starts getting mutations its more or less the same figure when the low level wolves get a mutation. Now here is an interesting thing, what if the 11.56 would actually be higher if you got 2 higher melee wolves and not low level ones? Does this mean when you add those points from the low level mutated dinos they only get that low level % per point added (11.56 in this case) wereas this % point could be higher in higher level dinos? If so this would make the mutation point building not as affective using low level dinos to mutation point gather! In other words what if two 225 wolves produced a mutation that gave a point score of 50 to be added and not 11.56 like the low level ones! One quick way to see if this is the case would be to breed two wolves of high level to see if the point score per mutation is higher than two low level ones! ConCon back to you!

Well, if it was a multiplicative 5% each mutation it would be exponential and that would be cataclysmic as no other points would have any significance.

@@jodie9649its a static % that varies per creature, multiplied by server settings. The amount you get from a mutation is equal to the amount you get from 2 levels into the same stat, assuming it works like ASE (seems like it does)

Yes BUT official in ASE had a level cap for your dinos, unsure if ASA is the same but I bet it is

No it's not, you either get; 1. Dad's 3 mutation health stat 2. Mom's 0 mutation health stat 3. Dad's 3 mutation health stat + new mutation 4. Mom's 0 mutation health stat + new mutation Obviously you want the 3. option

@@ConCon thank you! So in option 4, there’s no way to transfer that mutation over to the male side stack? And those babies with a mutation on the mums side should just be trashed? Thanks for your help

Yes, if you increase beyond 254, it breaks and removes all the bonus stats and acts like a 0 again

Yes you could theoretically do all stats to 254

Leave the perfect one for last, breed the female with clean males to get the +2 dmg muts on a male baby, then breed that male baby with a large group of clean females to stack dmg mutations to whatever like +127 and then was you're happy with enough mutations, make a female baby with the +127 and breed it with the perfect stud until you get perfect stats with the +127 mutation stack

It can take a while depending on luck

@@ConCon another thing, how can I fully imprint the final baby instantly? I have waited long enough i think. Managed to get 11 weight mutations for my argy

Yes though it will take a very long time

That's odd, have you imprinted the baby's imprinting scale?

But don't you already have that with the 12 mutations in health and 1 in melee?

overseer but there are spyglass mods that show everything the tek binoculars do

I think the magnifying glass only shows HP and torpor values

So on official we are screwed until we do the overseer

@@benjiwalton4666 yeah basically but it was the same as evolved.

Breed them until the babies eventually have the same stats

​@@ConCon great makes sense. Thank you!

Its possible yes, but better to breed a male line with one stat and another male line with the other stat. It's all about luck. It gets tricky because later on when you have 30HP and 20Melee, your baby can get a mutation increase but takes the mom's stat for the other one like 32HP 0Melee. So you'd have to keep trying until both stats carry down as well as getting a mutation on one of them

That means you have been breeding with parents that both have mutations. The mutation counter goes up drastically even if the mutated stats aren't there if both parents have mutations listed in the counters.

Thank you so much! That fixed everything but I had to start from fresh base parents. Luckily I wasn’t very far in.

Yes, here's why: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QfNXm3mTSa4.html

@@ConCon thank you

Yes you can do that

You want a separate line of males per stat. After you get your HP mutations done like you said (note that you can go past 20/20 by using mutated males and clean females; the females can keep triggering mutations until a stat hits 254 levels, which is 127 mutations), you would start again with a clean male and go for melee mutations; note you can use the same clean female breeders. Then you stack up mutation on melee the same way. Once you have as many melee mutations as you desired, you will have a male with that final melee mutation level count. You can then either use that gender swap mod to turn him into a female, and mate with your final health male until you get male & female babies with both final stats, or without mods mate your final melee male with a female until you have female with desired stat to mate with final health male.

@@dreadcthulhu6842 jeez thats a nice explanation from you, thank you kind human being! =D

@@dreadcthulhu6842 also One question regarding mutation, on some dinos it tells me 3 mutations but the binocular only shows 2 for the stat, is the 1 the color?

If you keep the females clean you can go way beyond the 20/20 limit. Just don't got more than 127 mutations into a single stat (would show as 0/254/0)

@@ConCon I see I see, thank you

Yes

Yes of course

No you only get one mutations in a single hatch, but you can keep that mutation on the parent and breed a baby with another mutation

Not unless you plan to ride them and fight with them

Breed with a female with 0 mutations.

In ascended you can use any as long as they have 0 mutations

That's fine, it moves to patrilineal after you breed the new male with a clean female.

@ConCon ah the penny just dropped. Raise the mut female. Breed to 0/0 male, pop baby male with mut on wrong side still, raise, breed back to clean 0/0 female and get 'the same' male pop but mut will be stacked on male side. Got it!

254 is max, at 255 the bonus is removed and acts like 0 again

Hahaha like this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jXx_gxYLfkA.html

You have to hope both move across

No its just an example

I can't recall how it works on ASA