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How to turn long skinny bars without using a steady rest. 

David Wilks
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@lwilton
@lwilton 6 лет назад
Its nice having an oil field lathe where you can drive a VW down the spindle bore!
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
l wilton 😂😂 94mm VW 🤣
@elitearbor
@elitearbor 6 лет назад
Thanks for sharing this with us! A lot of the techniques I've learned from you have already come in handy, and the biggest stuff I tend to handle is 40" long but the aspect ratio is similar to that shown here. Your double-tool method for turning 718 Inconel already came in handy, as well.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
elitearbor great news. 👍
@hepburn118
@hepburn118 6 лет назад
Please excuse my ignorance here, I have never turned titanium before myself. Why aren't you allowed to use a fixed or travelling steady or cutting oil? Also, holy hell it must have been a pain in the ass clocking that 4 jaw so many times and getting the transitions perfect like that. Pretty certain I wouldn't have done so well, I always struggle getting any better than 0.02 mm so bloody impressive watching you do that.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
Shaun Mccaughan cheers Shaun. I get it a lot with titanium. Can't use oil etc. The steady rest compresses the surface. It catches fire on another video I did.
@islamn799
@islamn799 6 лет назад
Sometime this is big problem when so long Barr skinny or carving. thank you.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
Islam N not really.... it's very easy.
@jimdorman1550
@jimdorman1550 6 лет назад
You! Make the use your imagination and figure it out. Kudos!
@theessexhunter1305
@theessexhunter1305 6 лет назад
Better Chips than the local fish shop....! good work yet again.
@seimela
@seimela 6 лет назад
i will make this the motto of shop
@TheMetalButcher
@TheMetalButcher 4 года назад
I wonder why they cared about the use of a steady rest? Sure, no marks on the finished surface, but I can't see any issues if you were turning it off. Must be some fear of work hardening due to the pressure or something.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 4 года назад
You got it 100% correct👏🏻👍
@paulcarre4719
@paulcarre4719 6 лет назад
That DSG sure works hard for you - really nice stuff keep it up. Paul C
@ingenieriamartinez5477
@ingenieriamartinez5477 Год назад
Great video! Just wondering… When finishing, did you take a finish pass of the whole bar or did you go moving the bar as in the roughing? Thanks for sharing
@onlooker251
@onlooker251 6 лет назад
Brilliant job - really good surface finish too! Thanks for sharing. I struggle with a small throat on my lathe so I have to use a fixed steady just to save material. I’ll just have to save my beer money up to buy a Colchester! 😳John 🇬🇧
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
Onlooker 251 ha ha but not worth saving beer money.... that's much more important😎
@friedmule5403
@friedmule5403 3 года назад
First of your videos I have found, thanks for sharing them with us!! I have almost no knowledge about turning, so I am wondering why would someone ask you to not using steady rest, cutting oil, and so on? :-)
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 3 года назад
The steady rest can compress the steel. Rolls Royce have strange requirements about machining.
@friedmule5403
@friedmule5403 3 года назад
@@userwl2850 Thank you a lot for replying!! Yes it sounds strange because your chuck is properly compressing way more than a rest would:-) Also, a tolerance for maximum clamping pressure on the rest could maybe sound more logical for a layman. :-)
@nlo114
@nlo114 6 лет назад
Doesn't cutting away from the headstock tend to unload the nose-bearing tapers? I'd have thought that would cause more chatter than cutting towards the chuck.
@nlo114
@nlo114 6 лет назад
OK, I was just looking at the age of the machine. I was turning some 6" dia loco wheels on a very old 1200 student with a chatter issue. Lifted the lid off the gearbox and reset the taper-backlash on the nose shaft that had a thou or two end-play. All wheels after that were beautifully finished.
@jubbaronny
@jubbaronny 4 года назад
nlo114 Colchester’s aren’t the strongest machines to start with
@Shoorit
@Shoorit 5 лет назад
I get the cutting oil and steady rest not being allowed but don’t understand the magnet.
@BigSkyCurmudgeon
@BigSkyCurmudgeon Год назад
hog wash to your processes. thats crazy. ive done 20 ft long 4.5inch Stainless shaft with 1 steady rest and had less trouble than you. better tooling also. that 45 tool sucks.
@LAsparkTVWireTestLimited
@LAsparkTVWireTestLimited 4 года назад
Why aren't you allowed to use steadies? Is it something to do with the finish you're after?
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 3 года назад
It crushes to surface.
@pearcemachineshop5200
@pearcemachineshop5200 6 лет назад
Great job mate and better still I get to learn something, happy days. Alan.
6 лет назад
The length of the lathe you would have thought your tolerances would move by moving the tail stock forward, however like everything it is the skill of the operator. Nice job.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
Tony Papantoniou thanks Tony.
@meocats
@meocats 2 года назад
rest in peace professor we miss you
@rogerwilliams2902
@rogerwilliams2902 3 месяца назад
Hello, is David no longer with us then ?. Do hope its not true !.
@TheScott632
@TheScott632 6 лет назад
they dont teach this stuff in schools, so it's nice to see real life tricks of the trade..
@paulperrin2152
@paulperrin2152 4 года назад
I used to work at a company called dyson and Nalson, and for approx 5 years that's all I did sometimes had real problems finishing cut, but I used a thread insert to finish it
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 4 года назад
I use them too Paul. Get a beautiful finish especially on titanium. 👏🏻👍
@chachi_luna
@chachi_luna 6 лет назад
Rinse and repeat, easy peasie
@alanj349
@alanj349 Год назад
Loved using dean smith and grace lathes
@kyledombrowski7051
@kyledombrowski7051 6 лет назад
rip ears
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
Kyle Dombrowski 🤣 yes it screams a bit. Sounds louder on video. 🤔 thanks for funny comment. 👍
@craignicholson505
@craignicholson505 6 лет назад
Nice to hear u talk and explain sir
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
Craig Nicholson cheers Craig. Not my thing usually to talk on videos but I think this job deserved an explanation.
@geoffgreenhalgh3553
@geoffgreenhalgh3553 4 года назад
Brilliant.
@KenKen-qu9zu
@KenKen-qu9zu 6 лет назад
hi userwl ... have you ever turned a long shaft through the bed of a lathe machine and its diameter is bigger than the hollow spindle of headstock? ... you can share the best solution for they.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
Ken Ken sure... I've done 1000s I have videos.
@KenKen-qu9zu
@KenKen-qu9zu 6 лет назад
userwl2850 Great if you can share that video. *^O^*
@middlemanclayton1
@middlemanclayton1 6 лет назад
@userwl2850 hey man how did you cut the centre hole in the end of the shaft in the first place?
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
middlemanclayton1 look at 9.40. Same holding to centre drill.
@raghupathyvp7105
@raghupathyvp7105 4 года назад
Long shaft turning steady rest 👍🌻🙏
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 4 года назад
I was not allowed to . That's why I did it like this. A steady rest would be easy. 👍
@aubreyaub
@aubreyaub 4 года назад
Don't we just love a nice 94mm skinny bar.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 4 года назад
Very skinny to what I usually do 😉👍
@aubreyaub
@aubreyaub 4 года назад
@@userwl2850 chuckle. My big is 4", then only occassionaly. You sure do interesting stuff.
@brendanshorter5550
@brendanshorter5550 3 года назад
This has made me feel really stupid, I was just taking super light cuts and dealing with a shit finish instead of what is now the obvious solution
@马立军-k4l
@马立军-k4l 3 года назад
Thank you for share.I used this method to process a rod with a diameter of 17 mm and a length of 700 mm, but the effect was not very good. It needed a lot of practice.
@nobbytrussin
@nobbytrussin 6 лет назад
When you moved to the next stage, how did you start from the same depth as before so you don't get a lip?
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
nobbytrussin look again at 5.20 you can see.
@punishr36
@punishr36 4 года назад
I'll exaggerate my question. If I had the same diameter/length in a material like cold rolled steel and you indexed it the same way it would look like the hind leg of a dog when done. So my question is the titanium that you used didn't move at all when breaking all those surfaces in the 3 setups? It must have nil stress. Cheers from Canada.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 4 года назад
Look again at 1.13. It moves easy. I've said on many of my videos turning away from the Chuck helps. 👍
@punishr36
@punishr36 4 года назад
@@userwl2850 Not sure of you got the question. When you turned 3 separate positions how straight was the pc having broke the skin as per distortion.
@punishr36
@punishr36 4 года назад
@@userwl2850 If it was a pc of cold rolled for example yoy'd have the different center lines and the pc would be scrap. Assuming it was indicated within a thou at the chuck was there no distortion in the pc and not require hitting all 3 diameters at the same time. I'm also guessing that any straightness tolerances and not critical. Thanks again cheers.
@juancatalan631
@juancatalan631 3 года назад
Seguro que no quedo pandeao
@stuarth43
@stuarth43 4 года назад
learned something, even though my lathe has a big heavy quill, I should keep the stickout short, thanks again me ole China
@geoffreyward4743
@geoffreyward4743 6 лет назад
what would be the value of titanium scrap,to a scrap dealer.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
geoffrey ward I think it's around £25 kilo to buy.
@mwaoch
@mwaoch 4 года назад
i run a dsg 15 lathe ....do they have breaks for the chuck????
@johnswilley6764
@johnswilley6764 3 года назад
SWEET! That was a great demo. Thank you very much sir. Excellent technique. Another tool for me to put in my box. PS, I subscribed too. Thanks again!
@TuanNguyen-md8cc
@TuanNguyen-md8cc 4 года назад
this is rough only??. how you ensure concentricity when finish
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 4 года назад
Look at 5.40 again. 👍
@TuanNguyen-md8cc
@TuanNguyen-md8cc 4 года назад
@@userwl2850 it is clean at that section, but i mean will it bend?? by using this method. I just try to learn not any other mean
@mickocallaghan4896
@mickocallaghan4896 6 лет назад
hi david dsgs are the best what taper if any do you get on them long cuts,all the best mick.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
Mick O Callaghan these finished at 3.25" I had plus ,010" almost as big as a house brick 🤣
@mickocallaghan4896
@mickocallaghan4896 6 лет назад
thanks for the reply i have to ask when are you going to show us the craven lathe in action
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
Mick O Callaghan hi Mick. I'm converting it into a deephole boring machine. I have tons of work to do with it mainly a big oil tank and lots of fabrication parts. I'm limited to 42" long on my turrets .. I will be able to do 150" long jobs on that. I can't wait to get on with it. Cheers. David.
@mickocallaghan4896
@mickocallaghan4896 6 лет назад
that sounds awesome cant wait to see it in action btw that conversion work would make great youtube content,cheers mick
@jake3768
@jake3768 5 лет назад
cant use this, cant use that, rolls royce by any chance?
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 4 года назад
Yes 🤣
@jake3768
@jake3768 4 года назад
@@userwl2850 haha class, think we ended up with this end product haha,
@jake3768
@jake3768 4 года назад
@@userwl2850 box it goes into has to be crafted by Jesus himself, wood from only the garden of eden 🤣🤣 knock it true with ya knob, only thing not on the banned list 🤣
@kisspeteristvan
@kisspeteristvan 6 лет назад
nice
@jeffbullock1173
@jeffbullock1173 4 года назад
Couldn't you have used a follow rest in this case a lead rest?
@MJBEngineering
@MJBEngineering 3 года назад
No because any compression of the surface could lead to localised work hardening or surface deformation that isn’t acceptable on this material or application.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 3 года назад
@@MJBEngineering Well done brad.. exactly right 👏🏻👏🏻👍
@jeffbullock1173
@jeffbullock1173 3 года назад
@@MJBEngineering with a lead rest you cut it off anyway. Shouldn't matter.
@iancraig1951
@iancraig1951 2 года назад
Do small depth of cuts fast--no distortion
@АлександрАнохин-у6п
What year your lathe is?
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
Александр Анохин this lathe was made in 1961..... even older than me 🤣
@biswajitjena3914
@biswajitjena3914 3 года назад
Dear sir Please tell me cutting tools name
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 3 года назад
SNMG carbide.
@biswajitjena3914
@biswajitjena3914 3 года назад
@@userwl2850 thank you
@gregberreth9534
@gregberreth9534 4 года назад
Don't know much about it but would you be able to run your steady rest in front of your cutter. Cutting off the material the steady touches?
@iancraig1951
@iancraig1951 2 года назад
Travelling steady
@meocats
@meocats 6 лет назад
follow rest why not?
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
meocats compression of the surface.
@redaslot8013
@redaslot8013 3 года назад
Smart ,i like this,
@juanyamasaki9930
@juanyamasaki9930 3 года назад
good work David.keep going on
@wisdomokorocha3866
@wisdomokorocha3866 6 лет назад
I love lathe wrk
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