Despite you already being the expert in this overclocking stuff and already did like hundreds if not thousands of similar things youre doing in this video, i love how you still explain almost ALL the basic and little things youre doing so the viewer whos maybe a newcomer in this scene can keep up and actually understand what you are actually doing. Great props to you! You'd be a great teacher lol
unfortunately this video is neither thorough or well explained for someone brand new to adjusting bios settings. Jay breezes by a lot of processes and explanations , and I always see newbs simply try to replicate settings and get an unstable overclick. Vdroop and load line calibration was left out of this video entirely and is the most important make or break setting in regards to undervolting vcore at both idle and under full load.
@@dvrman123 Yeah, I've built the PC and did all my research and all is well but I got up to 16 minutes of this and my brain was starting to melt. This looks like a revision course video for those who already know how to do it as there are a lot of assumptions, like you know HWMonitor inside out and what all the readings mean. This could probably be spread out of 2 or 3 videos so I will have to look for something more basic for the first time undervolter.
I appreciate your tutorial videos! Thanks to your help, I was able to not only overclock my 3800x, but also dropped the temps from the stock setting on my X570 Aorus Elite 6-11C, depending on the load. You continue to give me the tools to improve my ability to do it myself, which has always been far more valuable than someone doing it for me.
i was confused at his explanation for why it wouldn't work because it clearly can work and well too, seems lazy and i can only imagine it's 'well we have 50 cores anyway haha who cares about offloading or conserving resources on primary pc'
@@felicityc A capture card or software capturing on the machine you are doing the demo on won't work until windows is booted up, all this happens in bios, so unless he was outputting the video to a 2nd dedicated pc with its own capture card he couldn't get the video of the bios. A dedicated streaming pc just to handle video capture is pretty much useless these days though, this is the one niche case where it would be useful, for everything else you can just buy a ryzen cpu that has enough horsepower to do whatever you are trying to do and still have enough left over to handle the video capture at a very reasonable price, so building an entire 2nd pc just to do video capture doesn't make sense.
@@coopercummings8370 realistically if you have a camera pointed to towards the screen works better unless you are an professional overclocked who wants to stream then yes it makes sense . For little here nor there home setup nahhh .
@@pkbeast voltage=current*resistance, so obviously he hacked the physics engine irl to make his pc 0degrees Kelvin(-273.15 C) thus making the resistance 0 (or delta resistance/dR where the limit approaches 0, effectively making it so small it's ~0), the whole system into a superconductor, and now that current ~infinity with a voltage of dV lim->0. i knew he does liquid nitrogen but critically superfluid liquid helium-3 cooling to get to ~0.0025kelvin? nice (helium-4 achieves superfluidity way hotter; a nice and toasty 2.18K, or only -270.97 celcius!) how was this not obvious? /s
ya know ur early when the description has a typo EDIT: The typo in the title is fixed, the description however still has the typo. We all know that you *an* get major results with AMD and undervolting...
And it's gonna get even worse for Intel with their up and coming 10th gen desktop parts, that 10 core will nearly be competing with some gpus in terms of wattage it'll consume & it'll be running like a toaster even at stock so good luck overclocking it lol
Well, considering that AMDs new architecture at that time, despite the manufacturing node being compareable, were no were near close to competing, and Intel with 14nm still manages to do that? Yeah - AMD deserved it.
I'm running a 5900x 8gb ram and 1070. Before I undervolted I was getting 90.5c temp limits, 89 junction Admittedly the cooler I'm using is like stacked pennies from some kind of athlon chip. But after I undervolted to 1.087v I'm running stable 62c-69 all Core 100% load.. even with the world's cheapest cooler. Amd did a really good job with hardware architecture on this bad boy.
The VCCIN, should be higher. 1.9, 1.95 or even 2.0. The higher the VCCIN is, the less heat the internal regulator makes. The lower it is, the more heat the internal voltage regulator makes. 1.8v is stock. It is more stress on the voltage regulator when it needs to make 1.2v from 1.8, than if it makes 1.2v from 2.0 volt. VCCIN is really important to be stable and higher than any other voltage that regulator is making.
The information in this video seems to have helped my CPU (Ryzen 7 5800X) overheating issue. I've had it for six months, but the problem just started last week. I had not made any changes to the system in the BIOS, etc., but for some reason, it was overheating. Thank you, Jay!
Another thing to remember is the performance in relation to temps. I can get my 6600k to 4.6 with a Max temp of like 74 under full load, but dropping to 4.5 allows a voltage of 1.325 vs 1.375 and drops temps by roughly 10 degrees
@@ameserich I believe they meant they went from a setup of: (4.6 clock and 1.375 volts, resulting in 74 degrees), to a setup of (4.5 clock and 1.325 volts, resulting in ~64 degrees {this being the 10 degree drop in temp}). So 0.1 clock drop, allowing for a .05 voltage drop, resulting in a 10 degree temp drop.
thanks for taking the time to make this video, i know very little about this stuff and it gave me a good introductory understanding. granted i am still incapable of this type of tweaking yet but it did break the ice to start on the path
Jay. There is a common misconception about the VID and the VCORE. The VID is the voltage that the cpu is requesting, it doesn't represent the cpu voltage. In fact, that value is useless. The core voltage readout is called VCORE and it is a product of the VID and vdroop (both can be configured on overclockable motherboards). So you set 1.2v on the bios, the VID is 1.2 but actual vcore is different. Other misconception is that any cpu can provide per-core voltage. Only CPUs with a fully integrated voltage regulator can do that. Usually it's only found on Intel haswell, all X99/X299 compatible CPUs and newer mobile parts. Those CPUs use something called VCCIN as voltage input. On all other CPUs, the motherboard is only capable of providing one voltage (called vcore). If you have one core idling and one core at full load, both cores will receive 1.3v (for example). Exception: Deep C-States can disable vcore input per core but if you overclock and let C-States option on auto, C-States are disabled. Use hwinfo64 (sensors only) for more accurate software readings because hwmonitor is not frequently updated
I know this comment is old, but got me curious. Do you work/worked at intel? It is the first time I see someone mentioning FIVR, specially because it is only used in server hardware nowadays.
@@atata9 not really. I just used to do motherboard level repairs on my previous job (including servers) and I had to know things such as how VRMs work on each CPU architecture
Thanks so much for this tutorial Jay! I struggled to keep my 7980XE temps under control when I last tried overclocking it. Now I have a stable 4.5GHz at 1.190V and staying under 90C!
@@white9093 yeah, ik. thanks for letting me know tho. After all these months I’ve been troubleshooting a lot and learning more about PC every now and a while. I ended up OC 4.1hz my cpu around the time i sent that last comment and never had a problem. Temp always stays around 60c on idle with stock cooler so I’m good.
me: omg, my hottest core is 1° hotter than the whole package, is my cooler installed properly? Jay: 30 degree difference on idle, no big deal... me: O_o
Thanks! For the lesson on tuning. Your videos are both educational and entertaining making your channel one of my goto computer channels on RU-vid. Keep up the good work,
Thanks for this guide it was super helpful and comprehensive. I always had issue distinguishing which option does what in the voltage adjustment section. Managed to shave off 5-7C from each core playing around with the values.
Thanks @JayzTwoCents! - Great video to explain the how undervolting can work on certain CPUs and what are the gains from there. Keep the videos coming :)
Thanks Jay, I like these kind of videos, showing the steps on how to over click cpu, gpu, ram. Also enjoy what ever video you decide to do. The content you make on this channel is awesome!! Thanks for all you do. 👍
Great tips Jay and also in the comments. Just to add, you may also find it perfectly stable when running a load but after periods of being idle it freezes. You can try changing the Load Line Calibration setting to see if it helps but otherwise back the undervolt off another step.
Thanks for the video I was able to get a stable 5ghz overclock on my I5-7600k and in cinebench went from a 1598 to a 1720 score (I know nowhere near Ryzen or 9/10 gen Intel but I'm happy) max core temp was 76c on water.
Thanks Big guy! Just got my hands on a I5 13600k right out of the box running an initial stress test it shot up to 100 degrees, it was frightening... Had my voltage at 1.55ghz running. Was able to undervolt to a 1.29 at a 4.6ghz keeping the temp at 68 degrees bring my cinebench score to a 9048
@@itube8324 Well yes and no, when you OC your CPU, the VID rises as well, but it may not be enough and it crashes anyway in which case you can override it with a higher value, or if the VID is higher than necessary, you can undervolt it like what Jay did here.
Hey Jayz really good video! I’ve got a question that I hope you can ask.. the level of adjustment you made is just perfect, balancing the voltage and freq. However, I think another crucial factor here is the room temperature that you did not mention. I mean if you make this tuning during winter, when summer arrives, you could see some crashes when you push your pc, due to the possible 15-20 C difference in the room temps. Same if you tune your pc in summer time, 6 months later you would be able to push your PC harder with the same temps. Did you think about that? Thanks and good job man!
"An overclock isn't stable unless it's stable for your workloads." Some of the best advice I've ever heard from Jay. My overclock is fine in every synthetic load I've tried. The only thing I've found that crashes it is simultaneous DotA and RU-vid, of all things.
This is why I subscribed to Jayz' channel. Great content that's different from other hardware channels. A wealth of information in this video that's worth several viewings. Awesome.
Jay, I enjoyed this video and your work a lot dude. I enjoy playing around with these settings myself and getting massive jumps in performance. Then going for lower temperatures is balancing act that I enjoy. Stay safe and quarantined. See you in studio hopefully in two or three weeks.
I appreciate the help J.. Using Firestrike as a reference.. and your tips for a guide.. ive taken my 7800X from 4.2 oc to 4.7 and come down 14c on overall temps.. and its very stable now.. thanks for everything !!!! :)
Hi Jay, I know this video is old now but just wanted to say these kinds of practical, real-case scenario teaching videos are SUPER helpful and it would be great if you could do an updated one for the new 12900K chip with the latest BIOS. Just the basic steps to OCing, followed by the step-by-step process of how you would actually go about tweaking/testing the parameters like you did in this video.
Never thought I'd learn anything from J2C video. I know that high performance has a minimal cpu power set to 100% vs balanced 5%. But I could never imagine it has immediate effect on voltage. So all these years I wasted power... I guess it's a good thing it's mostly cold where I live.
@@ambilijohn6846 it's pretty complicated since they have a chiplet design to make an interface for each ccx lvl Overclocking or undervolting as they don't have such precise controls or knowledge over these situations .
Furmark + intelburntest (or the one that is now included with furmark) gives me the highest system power draw I've seen yet. I think that's a good test to include on top of the component focused tests.
Furmark, Intelburntest, Prime95, FAH are more demanding than any game or other "normal" app and would likely not be stable at these performance settings. So, your usage should help you determine how fast you want to set your overclock.
I feel like this is an underrated aspect of overclocking. Not every "successful" overclock has to be balls to the wall and screaming hot, just getting the performance you paid for.
Excellent work legend I’m running similar setup to you same board 7980xe and 1080ti on ek waterblock and two 560mm rads amd couldn’t for life of me get my overclock stable but now I can run 4.7ghz no problems at all.. cheers legend.
I do this as well to my 10980xe, the only downside to this method is now our Vcore is higher than it needs to be at idle because it's fixed at 1.175v. At stock and idle, the Vcore would normally be below 0.900v. I do not know, and would like to know, if fixing the Vcore like this would cause CPU degradation over time.
Hey,how is your voltages now? I'm running 1.295 @ 5.0/4.8 Avx . But if I run Cinebench,it will jump to 95° after 5 minutes. Noctua Nh-U12A cooler here.
Thank you! I just undervolted my ROG Maximus Hero z790, i9-13900k. (4090 RTX, Win11) I didn't know Cinebench was a free program. Wonderful CPU stress test. Stats: Passmark 11627.2 > 11452.6, lowered Core v to 1.41000, Upped temp warning to 95C, HWinfo 5800mhz > 5500mhz It seems that while my RAM and "RAID 0" scare went down, my GFX score actually went up. Which is better for my gaming. A welcome surprise. And, yes, I do remember you saying that over the week I should keep tweaking and see how high I can approach the limit.
lower voltage + same load = more amps. Ultimately you are running more electrons at a slower speed through the same road. Good way to get a traffic jam.
Oh AMD users can also squeeze more performance by tweaking endlessly, difference is AMD's high core count CPUs don't reach stupidly high temperatures. I don't know how many days I've spent so far overclocking my ram
@@kendokaaa Yeah, and AMD CPUs are clocked pretty close to their limits out of the box (at least for 3000 series CPUs). As long as you have a decent cooler or AIO you are more limited by safe voltages than by temps, sort of the opposite with Intel CPUs currently. Memory overclocking, on the other hand, provides much more benefit on an AMD system than Intel and can take ages to tweak to perfection. I think I spent nearly 3 weeks tweaking my b-die sticks to 3733MT/s (my infinity fabric isn't happy with 3800) at 14-11-13-13-28-35-248 timings (CL-RP-rRCD-wRCD-RAS-RC-RFC) at 1.5v. Tuning every single setting one-by-one, testing for hours on end after every single change, finding the absolute lowest values that would run stably. It's not that much performance to be gained in the end, but I like tweaking everything in my PC and the gain to 1% lows in games was worth it.
@@kendokaaa you don't have to though, you can just turn on precision boost overdrive on 3000 series which is actually based off their server chip which means it has air correction code built in and doesn't actually crash the computer when there is a fault. It actually will automatically overclock itself until it becomes unstable and then underclock a tiny bit and then undervolt itself until it becomes unstable and then increases voltage a little bit. There is a reason why AMD CPUs actually produce a lot of heat the first two or three hours of operation as well as run at a slightly slower clock speed. It actually takes time for the CPU to learn its limits.
Great tutorial. In Cinebench I got up to 12.6°C cooler with a set voltage of 1.2v and 10 less wattage at 4.4ghz. Cinebench score went from 10,687 to 10,937.
Hey everyone , I have watched 50+ videos re arranging bios settings and tried many softwares but nothing worked for the past 3 weeks as i person who has received a new pc i was worried but after wasting my time on all of these videos , I went to my guy who build my pc and he changed the orientation of my cpu cooler fan. My cpu on idle ( 60°C ) and under load ( 100°C ) went to 25°C on idle and 60°C under load . Hope this helped ❤❤❤❤
Best video help I have seen so far that shows intel + asus tweeking :) thx alot Jay, this helped me to confirm that i did my first cpu tuning correctly!
@@WarrenGarabrandt But those tools will also be using system resources, so using cam recording is more appealing for gathering consistent stress test results.
