How To Use Kali Against A Boxer 

I have trained in both boxing and in Modern Arnis. I thought boxing was more superior for empty-hand, but after learning even the basics of Arnis I realized that I could use those techniques with boxing and could pick apart my opponents easier using a combination of both. And by combining both I usually confuse my opponents as my boxing is more an unorthodox to them.

I am a filipino and i learned kali in the remote province of mindanao... our guro always taught us to learn the movements of a boxer because he said this is the most effective fist striking method so he trained us with the kali and a boxing.....because base on his fighting experience with the boxer from Saranggani he studied and learned boxing and mixed it with the ESCRIMA/KALI. .. He admits that it is really imposible to catch or counter a boxers punch unless you are a boxer.... but putting it together with the deadly Kali it is way effective than a traditional kali

I train boxing aside from Kali, for me when I spar other boxers I incorporated a lot of trapping hands on boxers and gunting type drills

This was humbly, articulately, and excellently taught. Thank you.

„Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth.“ Mike Tyson

Excellent video!! Outstanding demonstration!!! Thank you.. Love from New York City... My old teachers here in NYC Henry and Mark taught us this very same methodology and approach and it is really effective!!!

Mark, thanks for he video! I see a lot of what I do here in it! It reinforces the FMA and that's awesome.

These are great techniques, thank you for the video!

You are honestly a huge inspiration on my Arnis training you and the videos you make really are inspirational.. any chance you could make a video on the basics of the Arnis/Kali stance and how to properly stand when performing these moves and how to position hands and feet. You are awesome bro 😄

Yes! Love that dirty boxing! It makes me feel as if I now have some tools to use in event of a confrontation. Thank You.

Only way I see this stuff working is if you keep practicing it in sparring, learning when you can and can't do it. You know, get a feel for it first.

Great work, and demonstration brother 🙏🏽

Solid teaching Makes the movement and strikes make sense Thumbs up

For Panantukan the elbow shield is usually more of a static raise and brace rather than an upward strike that way even if you mess up you can kind of roll it into a shield

I am just starting to train myself in fma. I'm a filipino American who was lost from his people and knows nothing. Thanks for the lessons man.

I feel like you should have brought in an actual boxer

I know how to box fairly well & if I saw someone doing these moves I’ll change my whole approach. Thanks for the tips!

Hey I love watching your videos you very slow into explaining each movement and the name of it and its purpose. That really helps me because I'm more of a Hands-On guy. Thanks for taking the time damn shame that you're not in Charleston LOL

If a boxer jabs with their left or right hand, parry it towards their inside while moving to the outside of that jab. That jab will cross their centerline holding back that loaded punch a bit, which throws off the 1,2 punch timing. A simple technique you can use against a 1,2 punch.

Great presentation, thanks

Thank you for the lesson Guru 🙏💯❤️

Just saw this. I'm 71. 52 years in SD and pro boxer. They both can help each other. But to say one vs. the other is to me a disrespect. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, just as well you or anyone els . just learn as much as we all can and enjoy a simple life. Thank you for your time and keep teaching.

The ones with negative comments, are the ones who need to learn the most, martial arts is a giant tree made of many branches. Each branch bares its own fruits, why only understand one when you can benefit from many? If you took the time to understand another art maybe it could teach you more about yours......🤔

I really like these techniques

Very well explained sir thank you.

Well done!

Great video! One of my favs! I practice Muay Thai (more like Dutch Kickboxing) and spar with boxers on a regular basis. Like learning how to take the hands/arms out of commission. Keeping a boxer at bay with leg kicks, taking out their lower legs and using clinch/locks for knees/elbow in the pocket is generally common sense. But how to deal with their hands was a challenge until now. Keep up the great work!!

Good stuff. I took a Kali / escrima class and was taught the same. The difference was the haymaker defense, in addition to blocking it the free elbow was used to strike the chest at the same time Then follow up with other strikes.

Good point. I constantly go over this mentally, because empty hands are most common attacks. Drills aren't actual conflict.

I absolutely love your channel and videos. Did you learn kali from Dan Inosonto or one of his students?? You explain FMA very well! 😁

Excellent stuff I'm personally FMA-4-LIFE. My only one input is for maximum effect so all can have stopping power a Dulo - Dulo or fist loaded tool is needed.

Once the arm bar goes on, I suggest applying the Muso Dori technique from Budo Taijutsu. The entry you show is great and I also learned to apply the rodoando throw from your videos! Good work 👍

I boxed a little both semi-professional (Club) and amateur , and I currently teach judo, grappling and MMA...EXCELLENT theoretical explanation of the practicality of Kali 👍

great info

Your student had a great reaction.

Awesome

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Something to remember in a fight!😁😀

Well done, guys. Lapu Lapu would be proud!

Love This. 😎🙏🏼💙 So Many Applications Once You Understand The Concept Broadly.

Train pure boxing first then incorporate panantukans elbows and knees etc... Alot of panantukan guys dont have a proper grasp on boxing mechanics... And try neutralizing with your long range weapons. why not cripple his knees and legs first then move in after you injure his base? muay thai can exploit a boxers bladed stance because of the accessibility of the lead leg..a couple of shin kicks to the knee nullifies anyones punching power. .. Sikaran/pananjakan/yaw yan/panantukan all employ the indo/malay/khmer type round kick to the knees and thighs...as for the vertical elbow to knuckle destruction it requires the most practice to even be able to be utilized with a 30% chance of success...i think a under gunt to the funny bone nerve or outer gunt to the tricep/elbow would enjoy a little better success rate in a real encounter depending on how fast the jab or strike is retracted...in the case of a pro boxer you would do better to concentrate on attacking his legs.. Even the best boxer can succumb to leg kicks... in that exhibition match between Antonio anoki the Japanese professional wrestler and Muhammad Ali anoki attacked ali's legs.. now mind you if Antonio inoki was an experienced Muay Thai Fighter he could have really seriously damaged Muhammad Ali's legs and he actually did send ali to the hospital because those kicks although weakly executed gave Ali blood clots... it was a good strategy for anoki because he sure would have got knocked out if he tried to match Ali with his hands.

I do a different martial art called Tang Lang which I feel has a similar mindset as Kali, so we face some of the same issues. We haves strikes in our style and submission/joint locks. We're also more aggressive and dont do the one-two temp of boxing. I need to look more into fma because i think there is a lot i can add together from both styles.

I'm a American Kenpo Sifu. I would use leg techniques to take out and damage his legs. I'm not going to compete in boxing with him, no way,always use the opposite.

Good job...

I've heard this from my instructor Tim Tackett and Larry Tatum for Kenpo and JKD that kajukenbo and Jeet Kune Do both had a major emphasis of boxing and Filipino martial arts I can see the inner woven abilities from watching this myself I truly believe it now that I see it

If you fight a boxer, i mean real fight.... use weapon, fight dirty. That's arnis is supposed to be, you fight to survive the situation not to have a bragging rights

I know that first parry from Muay Thai, and am pretty new in FMA - hopefully I will learn something.

Inner knuckle strike to bicep works great. It will paralyze the arm. Setting up other follow up techniques. Thanks for the videos I always learn cool stuff from them.

Kudos for covering this topic! Most Martial Artists run away from this topic. As a former boxer and a Martial Artist all I can say is, it's the fighter not the style! When fighting a boxer circle away from his flurries and watch out for his power hand. Not every boxer is a Mike Tyson or a Mayweather, just as not all martial art practitioners are a Bruce Lee. Use what God gave you and always stay calm and go TRAIN! :-)

It's a great video. Same techniques like I learned in Panatukin here in Manila.

I love you channel and FMA the important thing is that the opponent will never leave their arm extended when you strike them it is not how fast the opponents strike extends it is how quickly it will contract, also the opponent will be striking me in the same beat of combative time that I am striking him, unless I trap or clinch. Your original post was full of great techniques that will work, the techniques were not demonstrated in true time, perhaps for demonstration purposes. He that parries will find no joy in fencing (boxing). You guys have the right tools keep up the good work. 😊

Nice technic

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Nice sir

I'd like to see that with all styles of punches thrown. That looks like good defense 👌💪 what you did show👍💪🤜🤛

Good video. Ignore the ignorant. The elbow method does work even against a jab [I have done so on more than one occasion]; so does baiting and movement and/or ducking your head, letting them hit your forehead. Most boxers do not have hardened, conditioned fists and without hand-wraps and gloves are likely to break their only weapon: their hand. First: WE KNOW WHERE THE JAB IS GOING TO GO: the chin. When we realize this it takes VERY little to deflect. Look at the forward leg, bait. Feel with your hands, but lead with your feet. When the jab comes, push forward like a blade [the forearm will deflect], but step just to the outside of the opponent's forward knee. Wing Chun uses a Tan Sao which is quite effective against a straight punch or attack, especially if you slide forward toward your opponent. I believe your blade-arm technique if slightly angled can accomplish a similar effect. If you travel hard to their center mass, even if they draw back, you will gain outside entry, jam their shoulder and be able to finish in a number of ways. Boxing is not "magic". The body falls if the base is taken.

New sub po, i'm so proud watching young generation practice kali.

Good video work from lupan 3th

GOOD WORK SIR. BUT WHAT TYPE OF HOOK PUNCH WAS THAT?

I love fma empty hands, but can guntings work in a street fight?

Learn both and use both.

Good video

I trained Arnis, JKD, and some Thai boxing for about 4 years in the early 2000’s. I use to get these destructions during actual sparing. My entire would be a hit to inside of the bicep, take center line then under hook or boxing combo, or go to the outside with a stiff arm to the cross elbow, and follow up with a cross, hook, clench to knee combo. Now I’m just obsessed with BJJ.

Punches are like Yos yos and a boxer uses his foot work to continously step back, forward, and around you

I've used elements of Panantukan both boxing and Thai boxing, at full speed, like anything you have to practice a lot to get the timing to work, and I'm not talking about using a long lock flow entry or anything, just taps/parries and responses. So it has utility in that sense. Mix taps/parries with some head movement and you can avoid taking hard shots while not having to move the head past the shoulder line, which is a bit of a liability in Muay Thai...don't wanna eat any knees thanks!

That is a great explanation. But some may still be closed mined. All the information is good. Now each needs to learn how to make it part of them. Their natural movement. It is all about having options and applying them when other things/techniques are not working. I wish I had a Kali/silat/escrima/arnis school near me. Such a huge city and no real schools to train.

Hell yes

YOU NEED A LOT OF ACTUAL SPARRING SO YOU CAN KNOW REALITY FROM FICTION!

I have practiced the padatunken, I don't know if that's the correct spelling, but I have had some confusion as to how you allow a person to throw a punch and guide it into the elbow. I've been training with a guy on sticks for the past month or two and that concept of letting someone threw a punch and Perry with an elbow is something that I'm still working on, but I believe it will be affected if I can get it down. Cant wait to get this concept down so I can use it in case I'm attacked one day

I started boxing at 17 I have practiced FMA for 15 years, I have no trouble using my Arnis against boxers (Lastra Arnis) train against the boxers guard, not his extension, follow the jab back in and trap and use dumog. Attack the limbs and lower body. Arnis is a bladed art, boxing’s origin is in fencing. Your distance, timing and foot work will win the fight. Great post thanks.

I box and do Modern Arnis or presas arnis and I have used one count traps to counter other boxers in sparring. instead of doing one two. I just time the jab or the cross and do a parry with a punch. there is always a way to use the technique, you just have to modify it for combat or street combative's.

Hi could you do some solo drills due to Covid 19 lockdown can only train solo thanks. More empty hands please Praful U.K. England Leicester

i appreciate the fact that these two guys addresses the elephant in the room. Kali Empty hand against a boxer its very hard to apply , almost impossible. Work for sure the Tampi (aka parry), Guntin are effettive only on overcommitted straight punch. It's very hard to use this tools against a real boxer that's the story.

best thing to do against boxer is give a mid waist or below kick. They don't train for those. Anytime you try fighting a boxer in the same general area where the punches are being thrown, you better be damn fast and sure.

The more I look at dirty boxing the more I realise I need to just stick to boxing. FMA is for weapons, there's a reason boxing/muay thai/wrestling stood the test of time. You don't need guntings if you can move your feet and hit hard. Much respect to this instructor for expressing the art though.

Go and train with inosanto or remy presas. It might work well. I mean it will really work.

The best way to deal with the boxing structure is to go TRAIN boxing, learn it, both offenses and defenses, then spar, that way the structure is understood, then one can have a better chance at using martial arts to disrupt the boxing structure. Boxers will snap combinations at flash speed not to mention footwork, feints,head movement etc. Making any kind of destruction virtually impossible. I am very happy to see that you are offering a bit more detail than most vids who address using FMA against boxers because a lot of vids teach unrealistic beating up statue techniques when that will never work in reality.

Good vid, i think it's necessary to learn box, the fundamentals at least, to understand and be able to counter with any martial arts. Get hit by a punch is the most common agression.

are there boxers here who also train in escrima? can you guys tell me if you have applied the techiques from panantukan in sparring do they work?

The elbow thing is kind of interesting, but I personally think it would be really hard to pull off assuming they are aiming for your head, keeping time, and following up. Every time I have sparred with boxers as someone who likes MMA with a lot of boxing myself, I feel like the hits retract a bit fast, fly a bit fast, and hit a bit high to effectively bring the fist into my elbow. However, I do like your answer to hooks and your advice to keep distance and kick. However, I would like to warn people that boxers are going to be familiar with a shield and advance approach to a hook. Lots of boxers learn to block hooks the same way, and they deal with slip approaches all of the time. So, they may be a bit quicker to adapt than you may expect at first. I don't know about your martial art. I ended up here on accident while looking up stuff for karambits. If you would like me to add a bit here as someone who spars with boxers all of the time, my best advice would be to use your legs and grapple as much as possible. They train with fists, and they spar with fists. They are going to tunnel on your fists unless they have some mma experience, and your kicks are going to catch them off guard. Anyone with any grappling experience would do well to get the grapple fast because most boxers don't have experience with grappling either.

Check out Akoy Magwawagi revived by Teddy Corpuz from the movie Kamagong. Kamagong was an old movie about fma.

You have inspired me to practice alone in my house. I do not have the means to get trained professionally

That is some good strategies. Your training partner needs to actually go for the target of a real jab. Aka your face and perhaps also stepping forward to force you to actually deliever on your defenses in a much more honest way for both of you. You can do this slow at first and use protective gear when nearing realistic speeds. It's deceptively easy to think everything is going flawless if your partner is subconciously not going to hit his targets when you make a mistake. In this video he is at a safe range when doing the jab and you are not forced to move away from the line of the punch. Also he hit towards your chest instead of your face at a safe range bc he stands still. Try these drills where he steps forward and actually will hit your face if you dont fail to defend the jab and also make him try to hide his jab to challenge your awareness and realistic timing when defending. Again use protective gear to awoid damage.

Using the shield in and out is something I saw in Keysi Fighting and muay-boran techs... good enough but I would just add judo/bjj leg sweeps, footwork is the core of boxing.

His techniques are effective

Usually people train the cross to be a punch that knocks out. And how to set that up. Don't forget the sparring and see what works out for you.

I do boxing then i also go to kali class. When we do knife sparring in kali. My boxing exp. With a knife in my hand really gives me an advantage to my opponent. Especially angle and distance in my opponent.

Good defense.

Read this coment..... Great videos keep up the good work👍

Se ve útil pero se puede demostrar en un sparring ?

So what happens when they use different combinations like a hook or upper cut

Elbow strike , intercepting fist. Like catching a fly with chopsticks. I liked this video overall.

I am soo glad that my old sifu invited real trained boxers to test us... So were beaten up painfully in the beginning...if it does not work if you get a fast, timed, hard hit.. it s BS

Those elbow hits are similar to 52 handblocks (catch bullet, crossed bones), although 52 is a lot more tight/defensive minded/multiple opponent oriented than Kali as commonly demonstrated. Boxer's handspeed is what kills, and ability to slip and roll. You need to draw a specific strike or open an area to reduce their choices if that is possible. Agree with many of the other comments to fade and attack the leg if possible. Also stop hits to the front of the bicep work better than crossing hits to the inside of the bicep - treated like short stem knife stab/prison shank attack. If they are any good you will have tough time using these techniques or any that involve trapping. Grab clothing and turn them. Any inside block or movement you need to already be guards up for their second punch already incoming and maybe uppercut.

Great he is teaching Kali training methods. As with the knife best to play with a real boxer snapping punches then, work off of that because no boxer will leave their punches out to be caught.

Although I consider myself an Aikijitsu student I have done many arts Boxing and Kali among them. As an MMA fighter (now retired) I used Kali against many boxing style opponents and had very good success against them. I retired with a Middle Weight Title Belt and FMA was a big part of that. Everyone believes what they believe but all martial art views are subjective. I just happen to have lived a fight career that Kali was a big part of my success in the ring, cage, mat and street.

Better to test this technique in sparring. I do box for a long time and i added fil. dirty boxing. For Boxing with a mix of fma is very deadly in a street fghts.

Also can you demo this in the proper range, your feeder/training partner realistically isn't in range to strike you even if you didn't take a defensive action. The slight variation in distance also throws or critical components such as timing.

I mean these guys are deadly with even a short stick but i cannot see this working against a boxer worth his salt

So I have trained fma for a while now and recently after training at a boxing gym I came to a realization. If you want to have good empty hand skills in fma you need good boxing fundamentals. It's really that simple. Just learning the parts that make empty hand fma unique are not going to win the fight without a strong foundation of tequniques and more importantly strong conditioning. I have no doubt that destructions can be pulled of once you have proper parrying tequnique. I have no doubt that the entries will work once you know how to enter the clinch. Boxers do it all the time. Just my two cents.