If you study Han characters long enough you will realize how consistent and logical the Traditional systems are, they can appear tricky to memorize at first because of their many strokes but once you've learnt all the Radicals and get used to their phonetic components, they'll become much easier to deal with. And they're also the most popular systems to do Calligraphy, Han Calligraphy only looks good in Traditional form.
@@dandanovich6729 They require just as long as memorizing simplified characters, the only benefit of simplified is hand-writing, which people don't really do as much nowadays unfortunately.
Considering that simplifed forms often are based on cursive forms that have already existed for centuries, there's nothing wrong with calligraphy using simplified characters. Most calligraphy in general was done in cursive, so the only thing that has really changed in calligraphy is the underlying part we don't really see.
Good work! I'd like to present another set with remarkable differences: 芸 艺 藝 Because this set clearly demonstrates divergence between all three, it is a good example of the same kind as those shown in this video. I enjoy seeing the creative differences.
藝 is sometimes used in Japanese as well, for example the Tokyo University of the Arts can be written both as 東京藝術大学 or 東京芸術大学... However 学 is always kept in its more recent shinjitai form, but in the past it was probably written as 學
Traditional chinese characters are still used in Korea and Taiwan. There are so many words that were made from Chinese characters in Korean, so it is really useful and helpful to know the meaning of each Chinese character when learning Korean. 表記は違っても日本語を学んで漢字に詳しくなってから、漢字の意味で作られた韓国語(母国語)の単語をより深く理解できるようになったからありがたい
Korea is still using tang's character And the Korean word which is made from Chinese characters, we call this "hanjaeo" 한자어 Hanjaeo in Korean language is same as latin words in English
The ancient Korean Peninsula("朝鮮" is the name of China) has always been a place where Chinese territory and Chinese regime. Until 1900. Yi Seong-GYE 李成桂(1335-1408) established a Chinese local regime on the peninsula . He is very sure that he is the descendant of Chinese immigrants (Yi Seong-GYE 's father is the Han people - Chinese). Yi Seong-Gye 李成桂 leads some Chinese people to establish a Chinese local regime on the peninsula (Chinese royal family and nobles). The aristocracy also claims to be HanChinese. They use the Chinese emperor as their parents. Tribute to China like other Chinese cities. The founders and royal members of the ancient Korean dynasty (Joseon) were Chinese. They spoke Chinese dialects and official Chinese language. Use Chinese characters. Wearing Han nationality clothing. Building a small Chinese palace on the peninsula (Gyeongbok palace景福宮).Royal members use Chinese coins. They bring Chinese culture to the Korean Peninsula. Koreans are called as slaves (become subordinate civilians). They were wearing pure white (no dyes and technology) and women showing her nipples as beauty. This is the traditional custom of Korean . However, the Chinese emperor on the peninsula has always forbid slaves and indigenous Koreans to learn Chinese language and Chinese characters. Koreans use indigenous language (Korean language). There are no character (until the 15th century). Almost all of them are illiterate. No coins. The trading of ancient Koreans has always been carried out in the way of exchanging items. (Until 1910). Until 1895. China was in a war of foreign invasion.China loses the right to control and protect "Joseon ". 1900 was occupied by the Korean Peninsula in Japan. The Japanese abolished Chinese language and Chinese characters. The Korean language and character (invention of the 15th century) of indigenous language began to popularize on the peninsula. >>> * In 1948, the Koreans renamed the "Chinese City 漢城" to "Seoul" ------------------------------ Goryeo's founding king-Wang Jian (王建). Wang Jian (王建) is very obviously the immigrants or descendants of the Han people (whether the culture of clothes is the Han culture), this possibility is quite high. Because Wang Jian is the descendant of the Chinese (Han), the regime he has established follows the abbreviation of the ancient country Goguryeo, as the new national name Goryeo. The Korean at the southern end of the peninsula were called as workers and slaves (wearing pure white clothes and women to show nipples). Later, they became the civilians of Goryeo . The history of the Korean nation is the history of slave. They have never sovereignty. The Founder of Goguryeo, JUMONG(朱蒙) Is Actually Chinese Pronunciation. Goguryeo is one of the Chinese regimes of the northern region established by the Chinese people. Baekje, Silla, Goryeo, Joseon ... It is also a regional regime established by the Chinese. They are all jurisdictions in China.. Their royal nobles (Chinese immigrant) are not the same ethnicity with civilians slave (Indigenous Korean ). The royal nobles are descendants of the Chinese. Civilian slaves are indigenous Koreans. Baekje, Silla, Goryeo, Joseon ... their king and nobles are proficient in Chinese language. They use Chinese character. Their king and nobles can communicate with Chinese without resistance. Long -term exchanges with Chinese people. Using Chinese language and character represents noble identity. (They use the Chinese name . Chinese governance method. Put Chinese emperor as parents. Wear Chinese nation clothes. Use Han culture the same. ) Their king used various methods to limit class mobility to avoid others from becoming "nobles". Their people and slaves are forbidden to use and learn Chinese character. These people use Korean language. There are no character (until the 15th century). Almost all are illiterate. Until 1895. China was in a war of foreign invasion.China loses the right to control and protect "Joseon ". 1900 was occupied by the Korean Peninsula in Japan. The Japanese abolished Chinese language and Chinese characters. The Korean language and character (invention of the 15th century) of indigenous language began to popularize on the peninsula. ------------------------------ In 2003, China had applied for UNESCO to apply for the legacy of Goguryeo King City, king Tombs and aristocratic tombs, and was agreed. In fact, as early as 3 years ago, Korea applied for UNESCO. But it was rejected. Because Goguryeo is the history of the Han people in northern China. It is not Korean history and culture at all. * UNESCO = the United Nations Teaching and Science Organization * The people of goguryeo (and Baekje king, Silla king, Goryeo king, Joseon li king) are wearing Chinese han Clothing. They believe in Taiist Culture, Dragon Culture and Chinese God Beasts. 20 years ago, Koreans stole the murals and murals and of Chinese Goguryeo in China 20 years ago. Some unearthed cultural relics, creating a large number of fake history and historical TV series, this is very shameful.
My friends from Taiwan says when they study for exams they write characters in a sketchy way (kinda simplified but unlike mainland) to save time so maybe typing is way easier than writing it
What's interesting is that even though Japan and China both went through their own versions of simplifications, I have no problem recognizing the Japanese version even when seeing them for the first time (often in video games). I can read both simplified and traditional Chinese by the way, regrettably I do not write as enough these days as modern technology has moved writing to typing. Really hope to get back into calligraphy when I get time
If you added some sweet chill-out, dreamcore, soft pop, vibe tunes to these videos I think they'd go viral in a week or two. I already binge-watch these daily. Great stuff.
Finally the three variants of each Chinese character together! Personally, I think that anybody who ventures into learning either Japanese, Chinese or Korean should learn the three of them, and not forgetting to learn Chinese with both simplified and traditional characters. Even though Japanese and Korean are not genealogically related to Chinese, the sheer amount of Chinese-origin words in these languages makes learning each language much more easily when you compare those three languages simultaneously. I wouldn't ever be able to learn any Korean if I had not a basic knowledge of Japanese as a reference; and now that I am trying to learn Chinese in both scripts simultaneously, the Japanese kanji are so much easier to understand and memorize. Moreover, learning the corresponding hanja for each Korean word of Chinese origin helps you not only memorize traditional Chinese characters, but also understand the transformation that simplified kanji underwent in Japanese, and, of course, it's easier for you to memorize a given Sino-Korean word when you can compare it to its Japanese counterpart. Having learned Japanese previously, when I come across a given Korean word and look for it in a dictionary, if that word has a corresponding hanja (meaning that it has a Chinese root), then I don't need to look at any further translation. For example, the Japanese and Korean words for "animal" are "dou-butsu" and "dong-mul" respectively; looking at "dong-mul" in Korean script (동물) you may not realize at first that it is related to Japanese "dou-butsu" (動物). But when you look up "dong-mul" / 동물 in a Korean dictionary and notice its hanja transcription as 動物, then you don't need any further explanation of the word. It's much easier to memorize "dong-mul" with the visual reference that the hanja provides. Maybe I'm a weird guy and everybody else would stick to just one language. But, oddly enough, I found the simultaneous study of Chinese, Japanese and Korean... complementary!
As a simp + trad chinese native speaker I would say it is not easy to learn both of them at the same time. Take myself for example, when I write a trad chinese character to be frankly I sometimes forget what it is like in simp chinese. I do really get them confused even I can read them very well. My suggestion is just choose one of them to learn, after you become proficient in that one you will be able to read most of jpn or kor or whatever chinese characters, any of them, without translation
Educated native Chinese speakers can 100% read both simplified and triditional Chinese characters. For me, I spent about 3 months learning how to write triditional Chinese characters.
This applies for Vietnamese too, as it was under Chinese rule for more than 1000 years and so absorbed a lot of Chinese cultural elements, including vocabulary. 動物 is also a common Vietnamese word, read as "động vật".
How far back can you read Japanese before the language becomes too archaic to read? In English the works of Shakespeare in the 1600s are already quite difficult to read, and the works of Chaucer in the 1300s are basically in a different language.
No sure about the situation in Japanese, but a good student from any elementary school in Taiwan should be able to read some Chinese articles written in 5th century BC. But the ancient Chinese characters should be transformed to modern ones, which called "Traditional" Chinese characters in this video.
@@RealUlrichLeland If you're familiar with some characteristics of Middle English, Chaucer isn't too hard to understand. Old English (before about 1066) is a totally different language, however.
OMG 😳 you know kokuji and both of simplified & traditional Chinese words. Kudos!!! Very talented guy. I’m afraid you are born to write handsome calligraphy! 😄
As a traditional Chinese user, it’s easy for me to read Japanese Kanji and simplified Chinese characters; but one thing is very interesting, sometimes we write “simplified Chinese characters” are not REAL simplified ones, which are the same as Japanese kanji, especially “salt”,”evil” and “light”
Great writings! For the traditional, remember the correct sequence（龜）. And the ratio can be better if you understand how the words are made. For instance, most words should be balanced with stronger base and lighter top（樂，惡，櫻…）. You can see the 木，心，櫻 supporting the top part of the word
Traditional Chinese means a lot. For example 愛(love) in Kanji and Traditional chiense include a heart(心)in middle, you use your heart to love somebody. However, in simplified Chinese, the heart in the word disappeared, which couldn't show the true meaning of the word
It doesn't matter. Chinese mainland people know both traditional and simplified Chinese, Mainlanders Think Simplified Chinese is easy to write, but traditional Chinese, although complex, but good-looking, but also more can reflect the greatness of Chinese culture.
The simplified have the character of companionship in, which give it a bit of a twist of modernity that I kind of like. Not saying it improves on the traditional version though, the divergence has happened and I don’t personally think it’s for the worse
You have beautiful handwriting 💜 I'm currently learning Japanese, and it's interesting to see the similarities/differences between kanji and Chinese characters. Also, Zebra Sarasa Clip pens are amazing. They're the only ones I use.
Thank you for your sharing! As a Traditional system person, from the examples you took which helped me to realize that Japanese Kanji was the more often substitution during my days growing up when people I met wanted to speed up sometimes, and I did not aware of that was not Simplified system but Kanji back then even until today. Which is new to me.
A little tips: the traditional Chinese that is the turtle had been wrote in a wrong way 🤣 It is 龜 The down side can’t be in one line, and you can see this 龜is open on up side, but it isn’t wrong, it just the computer can’t show , but this 龜 is all so write, some time Chinese one word can have many other writing.
Me as a Taiwanese using traditional characters, seeing the comparisons between Japanese かんじ, simplified Chinese characters, and the traditional Chinese characters, making me feel like why the traditional Chinese characters so complicated 🥲we do take some time just to write a character, and don’t even mention assignments for Chinese classes, they’re such nightmares when I was a kid😂 偉大的繁體中文啊啊啊 even though I hate it so much, I still love it. Every version has their own “character” I love all of them For me 龜and鹽, are hard to write them neatly and beautifully, amazing job!
I mean, you should probably already know why, traditional is made up of many building blocks that make sense when put together and every character tells a story and gives it's meaning. Plus, it's good to memorize a few more patterns with radicals to be able to read any text from up to 2000 years ago.
You wrote all letters are beautiful and neat. But the order of “start writing (起筆）” and “end writing (收筆）” are wrongs for Chinese traditional letterings.
Japan has different stroke orders for many traditional characters, even prior to simplification in 1946. I'm not sure if it's all correct but I do know they like to start their words in the top centre a lot.
Japanese officially has different stroke orders for a number of characters, so I don’t think it’s “wrong,” just a different official standard. If you check Japanese dictionaries, that’s just how they write it. Like 臣 starts with a downward stroke in Japanese but a horizontal stroke in Chinese. I suppose since he was writing Chinese hanzi and not Japanese kanji in the second two columns, he could imitate Chinese stroke order though.
Japanese officially has different stroke orders for a number of characters, so I don’t think it’s “wrong,” just a different official standard. If you check Japanese dictionaries, that’s just how they write it. Like 臣 starts with a downward stroke in Japanese but a horizontal stroke in Chinese. I suppose since he was writing Chinese hanzi and not Japanese kanji in the second and third columns, he could imitate Chinese stroke order though.
The traditional ones have the advantage that they are often, literally, more similar to what they are supposed to signify. They are closer to the actual pictograms they are born from. 馬 is still recognizable as something horse-like, for example. A character like 女, though, does bear resemblance to a woman in a skirt even in its "modern" form (there was never much to simplify in this particualr case). But you cannot say that "simplified" means "totally unrecognizable as an image of the signified", this would be exaggerated, indeed.
It does not really give you much advantage, and each Chinese dynasty changed their characters or added new ones so I dont know why people fight against this so hard lol
@@NoCareBearsGiven The reason people fight against it these days is because Beijing is trying its best to recondition the entire extremely diverse Chinese population (Cantonese, Uighur, Tibetan, etc) by gentrifying different dialects. Forcing children to learn simplified Han Chinese in schools, Keeping native language out of television broadcasts, and the like.
@@pandaposse2640 that’s not true at all. Simplified Chinese was created because the vast majority of Chinese people were illiterate. Chinese dialects and other languages are still alive and well in China. For example, Zhuang: a non Chinese language is an official language of guangxi and is taught in schools along side mandarin and yue languages. My hometown shantou, everyone still is able to speak teochew. To find media in these languages of course you have to look for it yourself. Just like how American government doesn’t promote Native American languages for broadcast, you must find it yourself. Mandarin is needed as a common language or else nobody could communicate, and it doesn’t really matter if you use traditional or simplified characters as they r interchangeable. You clearly have never been to China and rely on the propaganda from the west… I recommend you visit a place or talk to people from the place before speaking next time. If mandarin didn’t exist it would be like if the USA had a different language for each state or city…nobody could communicate. It’s also double standards thst Americans don’t all speak Spanish or aboriginal languages but instead speak English as a common language. Most people in the usa cannot speak their ancestral languages by the 2nd generation. Is the American government trying to eliminate other languages?
My auntie from hongkong saw that my sister had a label of salt written in simplified in her home. Auntie said, why isn't it written in traditional? Saw your video, I understand now 🤣 Cantonese typically would read traditional 😎
Total number of strokes Kanji "Shinjitai" : 95 Simplified Chinese : 73 Traditional Chinese (Japanese "Kyuujitai") : 135 総画 新字体 : 95画 簡体字 : 73画 繁体字・旧字体 : 135画
That's because they also simplified kanji basing on Chinese simplified, but in less extent or in different way to make the sound right. For example: to buy.
@@Ola-jz7oj Your example is wrong, it should be "to sell" instead of "to buy". to sell 新字体：売(士冖儿) 繁体字、旧字体：賣(士罒貝) 簡体字：卖(十乛头) to buy 旧字体、新字体、繁体字：買(罒貝) 簡体字：买(乛头)
Because simplified Chinese is a lot more recent than Japanese Kanji. Simplified Chinese (as it exists today) wasn't solidified until the 1950-60s in an effort to reduce illiteracy, which was successful. Purists will say it lost "meaning" or "beauty" but imo that's a good sacrifice for convenience and accessibility.
All these Kanji used to look exactly like the Traditional Chinese characters (Kyujitai), but they got official new simplified forms after WWII. While some of these simplified Kanji (Shinjitai) look identical to the corresponding Simplified Chinese characters, as the video demonstrates there are many instances where these characters were simplified differently in China and Japan.
Some look identical because the Chinese stole those characters, in the case they don't look different, it's because they don't want it to look the same as the Japanese kanji
@@snowykoyuki ???? They look identical because both Shinjitai and Simplified Chinese were based off of established handwritten forms during the time period, e.g. 体 for 體 because the 人+本 form had already been established in handwriting for more than a hundred years in the entire Han character sphere (China, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam). Most of Shinjitai and Simplified Chinese simplifications were based off of 異體字, e.g. 盡 -> 尽 - tons of Shinjitai and Simplified Chinese characters can ALREADY be found in the Kangxi Dictionary (康熙字典) published in 1716 - yes, SEVENTEEN SIXTEEN, more than 200 years before Simplified and Shinjitai were promulgated. The only difference between then and now was that during those times it was considered an unorthodox 異體字 or 俗字, while the orthodox forms were more suitable for printing and etc. but now those simpler forms are considered orthodox simplifications. Furthermore Simplified Chinese implemented a policy of radical simplification and most of its simplifications of characters that did not already have established handwritten forms or 異體字 went through 草書楷化, where 草書 forms of characters were modified to be 楷書, like 專 -> 专.
kanji=han character，so Japanese are han people？=Chinese？，why used Chinese characters？most kanji=Chinese traditional Chinese，you cannot say they are Japanese，dont steal Chinese culture
Sure, because the all have the same roots, but the Kanjis were simplified differently then the Han characters in the Peoples republic. Two simplifications at two different times.
Some foreigners may be surprised to hear that we Japanese can much more easily understand traditional Chinese than simplified Chinese. For us Japanese, simplified Chinese is too oversimplified to tell which is the original traditional Chinese.
Good video. It is of course important to understand that the "Japanese kanji" shown here is, of course, nothing more than simplified characters the Japanese government promulgated in 1946. That is not to say many of the characters are of course based off of previously existing variant and vulgar forms. It's actually quite a trip to read documents made using old character forms and kana orthography; give it a try if you can read decent Japanese. I personally am working on an IME dictionary add-on to help input traditional character forms and kana orthography.
한국도 한자를 사용합니다. 하지만 한국에서 한자를 보기는 쉽지 않은데, 그 이유는 한자의 소리만 한글로 적기 때문입니다. (일본어에서 한자 없이 히라가나만 쓰는 느낌) 과거 한국도 일본, 중국처럼 간소화된 한자를 제정하자는 의견이 있었지만, 시간이 지나 한자 사용이 줄어들며 자연스레 그런 의견도 사라지게 되었습니다. 실제 과거 한국의 1970~90년대 신문을 보면, 일본 못지않게 한자를 많이 사용했습니다.
My preferences for aesthetic and ergonomic for me at least: Cherry blossom: simplified chinese Salt: simplified chinese Turtle: traditional chinese Light: traditional chinese Fun: kanji Evil: kanji War: kanji Tooth: simplified chinese
He didn't write it very well to be honest, it's clean but it's not the most elegant, maybe you would change your mind if someone who can write the Chinese characters better writes it
Well the 人 in 齒 is basically a pictogram of a mouth with many teeth. Originally it was written without 止，but later down the line the phonetic element of 止 is placed up top to give its pronunciation. 歯 is the moveable type (a type of printing method) variant, and its even mentioned in the 宋元以來俗字譜 (A Record of Character Variants from the Song to Yuan Dynasties). 齿 is basically the people who are planning the Simplified Chinese list and saying: we want to keep the same idea of the original 齒 but simplify it, hence 齿
It’s funny that people grow up learning simplified Chinese can easy recognize other two complicated characters, but people grow up with difficult ones always seems harder to recognize the simplified ones.
Kanji : Trying to maintain balance between writing speed and aesthethic. Simplified Chinese : Writing speed go brrr... Traditional Chinese : Caligraphy.
Kanji do tried keeping the overall structures of characters, most of the time. But simplified Chinese sometimes choose to simplify them by changing it to completely another thing
True. That's quite literally the whole reason the simplified version is invented anyway, to increase literacy. However, the simplification trades meanings, phonological markers, and aesthetic for easier usage. Which makes the simplified and traditional version have their own pros and cons.
This is an interesting knowledge! At first, I don't really realize that some Japanese Kanji differs from Chinese Hanzi. So I thought they are the same. By looking at this video, this gives me another knowledge. Thank you, Takumi-san!
yes，but most of them are same. You shou know kanji is han characters. Youcannot say kanji is Japanese,,but the kanjis which are different from traditional Chinese can be called Japanese. We Chinese mostly don't use RU-vid,it doesn't mean Japanese korean can steal our culture shameless.
I never get why 葉 gets simplified to 叶 by mainland Chinese. What does leaf have anything to do with speech / mouth. And 叶 is a 国字 that means something else totally in Japanese!
Simplified Chinese tends to combine multiple characters into one simplified character. It reduces the amount of characters in daily use, and for most of the time it doesn't leave people confused about the meaning. 葉 was combined into 叶, the latter is rarely used in Chinese, and maybe it looks like a leaf...?
I agree that 叶 is the worst simplified character, it actually was the same word as 協/协(notice the 十?) 叶(ye) was used to replace 葉 just because it sounds like 協(xie).
Kanji (漢字, pronounced [kaɲdʑi] (listen)) are the logographic Chinese characters taken from the Chinese script and used in the writing of Japanese. They were made a major part of the Japanese writing system during the time of Old Japanese and are still used, along with the subsequently-derived syllabic scripts of hiragana and katakana.
I've been studying Japanese for over two years, and I noticed how the Traditional Chinese symbol for 'fun' is also the symbol for 'sound' in Japanese (樂＝Gaku)
@@nehcooahnait7827 honestly I'm not sure, 樂 is close enough to 楽 but there probably are a good number of characters that they wouldn't recognize, I think. It's not like simplified/traditional Chinese where everybody is exposed to both character sets in some capacity. The only way a Japanese person would likely be exposed to traditional characters is if they've learned Chinese, or if they are reading things published before WWII.
In mandarin and i assume other chinese languages this is also the case. The han characters were, as commonly known, imported from the tang dynasty, which meant that the pronunciation (onyomi, specifically) will often resemble mandarin, but more so to other less modern chinese languages such as cantonese and hokkien. The similarity between the latter groups are so striking, because the japanese derivation preserved much of the sound that was present at that time, much like the older chinese languages that ive brought up, such as the checked tone (like the word 楽, which is either Raku or Kaku depending on context, the former meaning joy while the latter music). Ill use the example in taiwanese, which came from hokkien but has roots in 2 very distinct geographical area (i.e very different accents). Music is pronounced im-gak 音樂 (im not going to use the roman spelling since i cant type it here), whereas happiness is kuai-lok 快樂. Its apparent that this is very similar to the japanese word as well (which technically isnt japanese in origin, but that detail isnt that important). Similar usage in kanji applies for a lot of japanese kanji in strictly japanese words too, for example 行, which is the character for 'going, moving, walk' but does not indicate urgency, is used in taiwanese 行 as walk, which is the same for japanese 行く. Run in taiwanese is 走 tsau (which i funnily enough in mandarin means to run, tsou) and in japanese 走る. Obvious there are many more that do not have this pattern, but these are the examples that show more commonality between the older chinese languages and modern japanese
