It is pretty fascinating how close these stories are in the current Canon and former Legends, but let me know which one you prefer: Canon or Legends! Also, in case you missed it, I posted my full review and reaction to Solo: A Star Wars Story this morning, which you can find here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fxrN7JjEh8k.html (spoilers are after the first five minutes) Thank you for watching as always everyone. I hope you all have a great weekend and I look forward to seeing you at the Live Hangout on Sunday @ 12PM EST!
I gotta go with Legends on this one. You can never go wrong with Dark Lord the Rise of Darth Vader by James Luceno. It well earned its title as the sequel to ROTS and is a must read for any Star Wars fan or Vader fan.
Star Wars Reading Club this is very bad news. My Grey Jedi Master,Kylaro Korbor informed me a few weeks ago that he must go and help the Thousands of Grey Jedi to attack a New Sith Empire,so it's likely true that Vader did survive and is leading them. Kylaro wanted me to stay at his childhood home and watch over his parents as a Grey Sentinel. He also said there's a slim possibility he'll come back,alive. I hope he does come back alive, because he's the closest I have to a Brother.
Kind of more appropriate he created his own in my opinion. He just got handed the Darth title right after striking down one powerful Jedi council member and just that second joined the dark side. 😆😆😆
It sounds less like Vader tried convincing Palpatine, and more like flat out TOLD him. "I'm not asking permission. I'm giving you the courtesy of telling you this is happening."
Vader must have been worth something to Palpie, and Vader knew it. 'You can have me be a more capable servant, or you can kill me and find a new servant.' Made it an easy choice.
I get it now! Both Sidious and Obi underestimated Vader by thinking he is, "more machine then man". Thinking he became crippled on that day losing his "potential power" but that's just it. He is a machine and that's his unique trait. The force manifested itself through his abilities as an engineer (as shown when he was a child). He didn't lose anything in fact it made him pure. Vader is a friggen Deus Ex Machina (A god from a machine).
@Skeleton Masher Only in the beginning did Vader underestimate Obi-wan. But even then, what really happened was Vader overestimated himself at the time..
Nah he lost his full potential on Mustarfa. The suit is a huge disadvantage for mobility as well as force usage. He is just frickin strong tho. That's tge reason why he killed so many Jedies afterwards. He could have been the strongest being in the galaxies
@@tobii894 he adapted that lack of mobility into an almost unbreakable defense and strikes that could break any parry that anyone would be foolish enough to attempt against him. As for his force abilities, the dark side doesn't require flesh to work, only hate and powerful emotions, sure he can't cast lightnight but his abilities are undeniable, be it passive or active. But even then, there was no way he could defeat the emperor on his own.
that's how most fetishes develop if I'm not mistaken; oftentimes one's past traumas manifests itself as sexual fetishes as a means of showing oneself that it's okay?
because most lightsaber forms aim to disable the enemy, not to outright kill themsince that enables them to do as they wish with the person they defeated. Cutting peoples hands off is the easiest way to disable them.
Legate Alucard I don't think so, In Legends Sidious could drain life of 6 bilion people from other side of the galaxy, Transfer his Spirit into another body's and Create Wormholes
Legends darth vader defeated a ancient sith and darth sidious knew annakin was stronger he just chose to control vader cause vader saw him as a father figure
He planned on it, but the process would have required him to be removed from the suit for a long period of time, and it was still experimental so it had a high chance of him not surviving. This information is legends
@@NamelessCowboyHSR Yeah, I prefer to headcanon that Vader considers himself perfectly intimidating and strong enough as he is without needing to become some kind of robotic monkey like Grievous.
Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader is one of my favorite Legends novels, and I'd probably still take it over the canon story, which I do like as well. The canon suit is not as hastily constructed as in Legends and therefore not as debilitating, Vader not as depressed and, yeah, whiny, which is better. Both sides have some really good points for themselves.
ImperialistOpinions That's what I will never get about complains about Legends Vader. Goddammit, he isn't whiny, he is just depressed, because he believed, he murdered his own wife. Apparently now showing any negative feelings is being "whiny"
Honest Happy Hater Legends Vader was overall depressed, absolutely. Believed he killed his wife and child, got crippled something bad and reconstructed with prosthetics and a suit that weren't exactly up to the highest level of technology. He lost everything and only had anger and hatred to throw at others. But I do think it's fair to say that he was whiny and threw a tantrum after he was injured by some random Jedi knight in Rise of Darth Vader. It's just not the word I would use to describe Legends Vader in his entirety.
ImperialistOpinions Oh, then ok. Yeah, sometimes writers made him too emotional. Sorry for sudden outrage. I've seen one "Legends Vader was too whiny, Canon fanseevice emotionless version of Vader is much cooler" comment too much
I think one very important thing to note is that in Canon, Vader actually has a comic where he reacts to learning of Luke's existence, and realizing that he did not kill his wife. I say this, but maybe I'm missing a Legends comic where Vader finds out/reacts to the revelation, so feel free to correct me.
Wolfgod 64 There was a comicbook in Legends, where he starts suspecting, but he still isn't sure until TESB, which fits more, what he said in that movie. He is not sure, he meerly suggests. But as far as I know he does not realise, he didn't kill Padmé
You would think at there level of tech that he would have been able to rebuild organic arms and legs for hisself as at least than it would have made him quicker than the cybernetics
True, but they'd have the same issue as when Sidious used clone bodies in the old EU, the dark side of the force would have degraded them very quickly.
In Canon, that's exactly what happened. Infil'a was the more gifted combatant, and Vader had to figure out a way to subvert Infil'a instead of just brute forcing his way through the Jedi Master. Vader had to think like a Sith in order to win the day. And that involved drowning an entire city, forcing the Jedi to choose between saving the people or stopping Vader. Of course, the Jedi did "the right thing," leaving himself totally at Vader's mercy in the process.
If synthetic Kyber crystal were possessively better than original crystals then you must ask yourself why Sedious didn't commission foundries to produce synthetic crystals for all their weapon instead of wasting time and resource mining normal crystals.
Justin Kong Probably because in legends it took days of crafting using only the force to align the synthetic crystals inside a furnace. You can't just mass produce them unless you had hundreds of force users who were at least on par with a Jedi knight in terms of power and ability. And if palps had access to that, he never would've needed Vader.
@@darminatin This is very much the case. Making these synthetic crystals is more of a case of simulating how they naturally form with the force user taking part in the creation. Luke method however was more low tech compared to the method Sith used at the time but in the end even with the high technology they needed many force users.
I find it cool and creepy at the same time that Vader is able to make repairs and modifications through the force from his badtha tank, but given the circumstances of disabilities of his amputated state, that should of been expected if he was going to personally over look and maintain his suite from now on.
I wouldn't be surprised if the emperor deliberately kept certain materials that Vader felt could be utilized in strengthening the armor out of reach. He already instructed the droids to initially construct the armor from a substandard design meant to keep him angry, after all. He wanted his apprentice to maintain a vulnerability, especially to lightning. To keep him in line.
I just love how much of engineer Anakin is throughout his whole goddamn life, builds C3P0, builds a fucking podracer, repairs his Jedi Fighter, repairs and upgrades his own cybernetic suit. Just a big evil nerd
I don't get why he never just chopped off the shoulder parts of his pauldron. That would easily solve the problem of him not being able to lift his arms above his head, which was a big issue in combat for him.
Well, he IS burnt and crippled after all. I dont think he can just lift his arms above his head and swing all willy-nilly like before. He was actually in alot of pain when he was in his suit
I remember seeing a video where sidous made his suit like a semi torture chamber and until Vader proved himself he offered him an upgraded suit that Vader refused
I feel their is enough room in canon that both types of storylines can exist . Like some Jedi and Sith trapped on planets making due with an artificially created crystal . In fact this is sci fi setting the Jedi and Sith could merely be traditionalist while the rest of the galaxy uses lightsabers with artificial crystals for manufacturing.
These comics are great. They really flesh out the characters and relationships between the characters. You see things from the film in a whole new light. Im not a massive star wars fan but still enjoy these videos as they expand the lore. Thumbs up
I'm amazed how many people dislike the bleeding process for crystals. It's way more badass to corrupt a crystal with boundless hate and suffering than to just spoof one up. The crystal becomes a symbol of the user's spirit and dedication to the dark side, showing exactly how far he/she has fallen. It's just better than making a ripoff version of a crystal. Did I enjoy what synthetic crystals were capable in the past? Of course, that shit was cool. I'm just more in favor of bleeding now. The grown men just need to stop being children about it. It's shameful really.
Agreed. I've said it several times before, but personal canons and whatnot are pathetic; nothing but escape methods for people to hide from uncomfortable truths. Disney is in charge now, what they say goes, and anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.
The relationship between Vader and Sidious... an illustration of the age old adage... ... never try to trick an engineer, especially with shoddy workmanship. :-P
I like Canon better. It's more interesting without undermining Sidious' authority to Vader. Sidious is calling the shots. Sidious is allowing Vader. Also the beating Vader got from the Jedi Master was amazing.
Anakin Skywalker was a master building. Built pod racers and C-3P0 he was good at fixing things then making it better. Darth Vader modified his own suit.
If I made a Star Wars TV show I'd try to incorporate as much as possible of both. Like if this was an episode, I'd try to squeeze in the key dialogues and battles of both, that both battles happened one after another, I think Legends then canon in that order. If I was in charge of making like a SW anime or something, I'd try to incorporate as much of both EU Legends and Disney Canon as possible, probably favoring Legends, but using both, unless one element was just so stupid it would be best left alone. Generally I would try to alter it if possible. I just think that Legends and Canon would be sort of like The Nostalgia Critic's take on Disney's Animated Cinderella vs the recent live action movie: both are good, both offer different good things and lack certain things, somewhere between the 2 is an excellent movie.
Imagine being an obedient 6 foot asthmatic bacon man wrapped in leather. Also... Jedi hits Vader in prosthetic Vader: wtf, that’s like the fifth time. Do you know how much this costs to repair?! Shit ain’t cheap, my guy. It takes 6 hours for them to fix it. 6 HOURS! That’s my time and credits! But nooooo! you don’t think about that! My arm isn’t my only body part, you know!
I'm more of a legends guy when it comes to star wars I don't care for anything past Vader killing his master (that includes legends). Like anything every good thing must come to an end.
That scene in the new Vader comic is one of my favorite. It also actually for once kinda shows sidious as not such a dick to Vader, in all media except the first 6 episodic movies of course...
Ian Marshall i thought he got a hole in his side when obi cut him down, he sliced both legs in one sweep and on the return stroke cut off his arm and sliced through his side which would cut a chunk out
If Vader could make his own changes and repairs. Why would he not make it so he wouldn't be so hampered in duels? Or be able to resist force lightning? Just wondering serious question.
In KOTOR II, when the Exile first visits the crystal cave on Dantooine, she acquires a crystal, which bonds to her. And the crystal "tunes" to your alignment in the Force. And goes from being a bright, white crystal if you're on the light side, to dim and black if you're on the dark side. The only difference between this and the new canon, is that it's pretty much how all lightsaber crystals work now. They just took the idea that KOTOR II introduced, and improved on it. Jedi form a symbiant relationship with a crystal that specifically connects with them, whereas the Sith forcibly form a parasitic relationship with any crystal they can get their hands on.
See the way i see it is what about banes rule of two and all the sith who came? I know most of banes rule of two is not canon which i also think is dumb but it would mean every time a sith overthrew its master and took an aprentice they would have to hunt down and kill a jedi to get a kyber crystal. It would have caused the sith to prematurely reveal themselves as the jedi would eventually realize that jedi were being killed every so often to have their kyber crystal taken. It is just dumb i think. I prefer sith having synthetic kyber crystals. This change to me is dumb and does not make sense.
Mitchell Hayward yeah but only jedi used real kyber crystals which like you said became attuned to a particular jedi which determined a kyber crystals colar. Sith used synthetic crystals which caused them to be red. Synthetic kyber crystels always produced red lightsabers where as the real kyber crystel jedi used varied from jedi to jedi depending on how they used the force. That's why some jedi had green lightsabers and others had blue and so on eith the various other colors. This new change is just dumb and does not make sense to me.
Keep in mind, the Jedi for the most part pretty frequently undertook the dangerous assignment every so often - especially in Legends. And we aren't talking about Sith doing this on a monthly basis. Maybe every few times per generation, or even less. And a Sith wouldn't have to reveal themselves to kill a Jedi. They could always lure them into a trap, impersonate and frame a bounty hunter, or some such method. And even if said Sith apprentice failed in their attempt to kill the Jedi themselves, I'm sure they'd take precautions to make sure that even if they couldn't survive, then at least the Jedi would certainly die. And that's not to say that their Master wouldn't be in on the plan - to take over if the apprentice is killed. Also, I think there are certain... "exceptions" to the rule that a Sith Apprentice specifically has to kill a Jedi for their crystal. For example, I don't believe that Maul actually had to - as Palpatine was being very careful when it came to Jedi at that point. And as for Dooku, he probably took Sify Dyas' crystal, or simply corrupted the crystal he was using as a Jedi. And as for Vader, he didn't even have to worry about bleeding a crystal until after the initial Jedi purge, and until after he'd already lost his Jedi lightsaber to Obi Wan. I don't think it's a straight up prerequisite, especially seeing as Sith like Palpatine didn't even need a lightsaber to fight a Jedi. I just think it more or less depends on the circumstances.
tbh I think alot of the stories are great regardless of being "Canon" or "Legends" but there is some novelty to the greatness of the official story too
Wait a second... I saw a video that said there was another guy who planned Vader's suit and then was ordered by Sidious to create hybrids half machine/half...something. This scientist (I can't remember his name) had implemented a switch off button in Vader's armour to deactivate it and paralyze him (and he used it once). Could someone explain ?
6:00 is it me or does Vader look really proud of himself somehow? like when a kid shows you something and he stands like that and its just really proud
Sidious likely didn't want to risk Vader being close to full power and being able to turn on him like every sith apprentice has to their master (himself included), hence having the droids use inferior materials and tech when crafting his suit and life support.
One of the reasons Vader didn't kill his master is because of engineered weaknesses in his suit, but being the one to repair and modify his own suit conflicts that. Why would you keep yourself vulnerable to your master if you knew your weaknesses and had the opportunity to remediate it?
I like how everytime Vader is about to lose to someone way better than him he literally has to like crush them with some sort of object or use like civilians to distract them
Nice vid. I read some of of the comments below about how making the crystal bleed is stupid. But i find it facinating. One way to imagine it for is that a sith has a crystal and then by meditation he or she pours his energy into it and slowly making it (bleed) or attune it to the dark side and thus it becomes red. I think what we saw when vader claimed the crystal from the jedi master and it fought him could be becuse it was alredy filled with light. But if we take a natural crystal that has not been filled with light then does it become easier to turn it? With proper effort and meditation i think it can be a very facinating thing to see. Example is that the Sith is sitting cross legged, the crystal floating between the hands and slowly turns red as the sith pours his or hers energy into it. That is just something i imagine anyways. And now i wonder, if there could be crystals that are naturaly attuned to the dark side of the force on certain planest or are just much rarer. Or what is a crystal is filled with so much drakness that it just turns black.
Yes, to a degree. It was most definitely made to be vastly uncomfortable. I think that they made it like that to increase his rage and dark side powers.
Meh, I find it hard to believe a civilization as advanced as having mastered gravity fields, is unable to grow a simple clone or regenerate nerves, when we can do that already, at our technological level. A person as unscrupulous as Vader, could have cloned himself and harvested his missing limbs. The idea with kyber crystal bleeding is even more moronic. Where did Darth Maul got his ? Did he killed Jedi ? Really, the Jedi order didn't keep tabs how their members died ? Ugh....
Let's try to look at it at a different point of view. Sith live through anger, hate, and suffering. And Vader thrived off that feeling. Even if he changed his body, it didn't matter. In the end his body is just a vessel for the Dark Side of The Force, and the best way to immerse himself in it is to feed into his pain and suffering.
Palpatine probably gave Maul his sabers considering the amount of secrecy he demanded at the time. With Vader there was no one left to question him, all that was left was to strengthen his grip on the galaxy.
+Zamolxes77 Are you confused? Cloning a force-user had not been done at that point successfully until later on in the Empire's days And even if Vader's body was 100% cloned properly, he still lacked the knowledge and technique to transfer his consciousness like Sidious was able to
being there are over hundred jedi plus jedi dying to things such has bounty hunters has happen remember jango fett was known for killing jedi could of cover there tracks of gettig the kyber crystles
