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That's very interesting. I love it!

Ha! Sucker . . . . Jokes on them .

@Bringette Awnn yep. The British Home Child scheme originated in the late 1600s and ran until the 1960s. So called charities would relocate supposidly orphaned and abandoned children to countries through out the Empire under the guise of giving them loving homes, an education and life away from the slums. In actual fact 95% of the children , some as young as 3yrs old, were sold into indentured service where they remained until they were 18 to pay off their "debt". Boys were sold as farm hands, factory workers, miners etc. Girls were sold as house maids if they were lucky. The unlucky girls were sold to brothels. While many of the children were orphaned, approximatly 40 - 50% had at least one parent and many had both. The 2 most famous child exporters were John Bernardo and Maria Rye. Between them they sold almost 100 000 children into slavery. Maria Rye was so evil she would stalk the streets of London and rip babies from prams, children from their mothers arms, throw them into a wagon where they were taken to one of her "orphan homes" until they reached 3 yrs old. To keep them from being identified if someone came searching, each childs head was shaved upon arrival "to prevent vermin". At 3 they would be loaded on ships and sold into service. It is estimated that in just over 300 years, close to a million children were sent as free child labour from England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. My Grandfather was 15 when he was shipped to Canada.

@@Crux161 actually - dear- the first group of 100 children left England in 1618 for Virginia and the last - dear- was exported to Australia in 1970. I did my college thesis on this topic - dear. Do check your facts before posting so you dont embarrass yourself.

@@Crux161 Like any troll, you are chosing to spout off without actual research. Try googling Child Migrant Scheme

Well said....I've been referring to this country as a "free range prison" for most of my life. This best describes the amount of "freedom" I've actually had....while here.

Cheaper than China and they can boast a "Made in the USA" label.

Oh fking well True criminals don't deserve shit. I believe in the death penalty 100% if you are a murder ( not counting clear self defense this also included adults that kills pedophiles who victimized them in their youths) you should be sentenced to death if your a child abuser of any type you should be sentenced to death. Drug offenses should be dealt with with proper treatment facilities. Mentally ill the same shouldn't be jailed should be treated . I believe these workforces gives them proper skills many of them wouldn't have other wise. At least there's pay but I do believe they should get at least a dollar and hr. Which is put aside for their needed goods or to be set aside in a prison account for when they are released or to be given to family members of their choice ( if they have children )

@LadyJayMac slavery was totally different sweetheart but your white so you don't understand .Your White liberal privilege is showing . MANY THOSE PEOPLE PUT THEMSELVES IN THAT PREDICAMENT SLAVERY WAS FORCED UPON ENSLAVED PEOPLE WITH NO WAY OUT.

I'd rather have them work rather than exercise all day and sleep

The whole cotten gloves thing is not used, unless latex gloves are put on first. The powers that be figured out that oils pass through the cotton, ruining a plethora of manuscripts in the process.

Angelique 76 is correct. And they also determined that more damage was likely to occur from not having full control of their fingertips (such as an accidental tear of the manuscript) due to being gloved. The current practice is not to use gloves, but to wash hands and be very gentle.

@@Janellabelle Also, if pages are just enough "hydrated", it will be less likely to dry up and become friable. keeping old manuscripts dry is worst than actually touching them with oily hands.

LOL!

@Clambert Jamdrip what makes you think I have a "problem?" Seems you don't like others to have opinions different from yours. That, to my mind, is your problem not mine. As for my values changing, they actually have several times over my life. People who can't grow, learn and change get stuck in patterns that aren't necessarily positive. I read a lot and research a lot of different ideals and ideas. Maybe you might like to try it sometime.

@@shirleyjeanpilger3482 : ZING !!!

@@shirleyjeanpilger3482 nice..very well said friend

Imagine a world where the justice system gets beyond punishment & into the business of actually rehabilitating ppl before they get hardened & hopeless (see no use in changing). Its sick how we've not progressed beyond the Victorian era philosophy.

@@shirleyjeanpilger3482 True. It's enough to look at Finland and its prison system and it becomes clear that reformation is a legitimate aim.

Its a tight rope to walk also though, because alot of POS dealers also can plead addiction if the law is too loose.

@@carminegalante4925 ​ The very vast majority of all people who are adicted to illicit substances will engage in selling drugs at some point. The drug world is not split into poor drug users and mean dealers, most people who are involved are both. And in the much rarer cases in which a dealer is only a dealer, it is highly unlikely that anyone would let him of the hook if he claimed to be an addict. People who claim to be addicts are not just handed a trip to rehab instead of punishment, their living situation, finances, the amount of drugs that they had, prior convictions, etc. etc. will be considered. If it turns out that you have been dealing drugs far beyond what you would need to finance your own addiction, you will not just be let off easy because you claim to be an addict.

@@justacatwhocantype there is a difference between an addict that sells his shit for needed money, and a dealer that uses his product. It doesn’t matter (at least in my state)’if you have priors. My first charge was poss. With intent to sell. And wont be let off easy? Lol Narcotics alone bring a hefty conviction. Add intent to sell and it becomes YEARS.

@@carminegalante4925 Oh you are from the US. Yes, you have crazy drug laws over there, and an accordingly gigantic prison population. See, I live in Germany, and our laws are a lot more lenient, they offer the option of "therapy instead of punishment". A lot of people worry that this just helps drug dealers, but it's really not that easy to claim. If what a person has done amounts to more than 2 years of prison time, they cannot go to therapy until they have done their time down to where it's only 2 years left. And then they have to make a good case about how what they have done was a result of their addiction to an illicit substance. Personally, I am not a believer in addiction therapy, I have seen many times that if people are going to permanently abstain from drugs, they will have to actually *want* that, and this cannot be achieved by simply sticking them into therapy. But I still agree with the idea of therapy instead of punishment, because punishing people for their addiction is even more ridiculous.

@@justacatwhocantype oh 100%. There definitely needs a balance struck between rehabilitation and punishment. The U.S. definitely doesn’t have that balance, but its definitely out there somewhere lol

You'd almost think it was a business 🤔

@@NineteenEighty-Four Exactly, as in corporately run for-profit prisons contracted with the government to house prisoners. Trickled down to the juvenile 'justice' system in 2008-ish. Search kids-for-cash, Michael Conahan and Mark CIavarella.

Highest per capita of any "developed" nation. Home of the free? I hate what America has become!

Those with disabilities were also jailed.

Everything you said. 👏🏻

@@Crux161 that’s a good way of putting it. I definitely lost part of myself in jail. It’s something I think about every night before I go to bed and I often have nightmares about going back. It changed me.

@@Crux161 I was lucky enough to be a trustee so I had different scrubs and undershirts/long underwear to last about 4 days. I worked in laundry so I could was my stuff any time I wanted. I was also in a pod with a bunch of women and the sinks and toilets were separate. Lol! The cells in the jail DID have those awful steel toilet/sink things and the sheet pan ‘mirrors’.

Saved me a comment. Thanks.

Here, where I live, these places are a joke unless you are rich. If you get sent to the ER by police or by ambulance, they keep you long enough to try to find a bed in a psych hospital. If your insurance is good, that place will keep you-even when you don't need to be there, long enough to milk the system. And, if it is good insurance, ok, you might get a decent place. Most places,however, are understaffed or staffing is cut to increase profits. If you are on Medicaid, you get only so many days provided..after that you are out of luck and must pay out of pocket...poor don't have money. SO, you can go to a police detox and then if you didn't commit a crime, get released to family. if no family, you are released...to homelessness or if you did commit a crime, to jail. Or, if you have a home, fine, released to go home. If you have drug/alcohol induced psychosis due to physical effects of the substance on brain and body, good luck. The mental hospitals are for profit, so are the prisons and the state mental hospital gets funding by the government. It's all about money. If you have no money, no insurance and not able to care for yourself, you may be deemed "gravely disabled" and become a ward of the state and sent to mental hospital. I dare you...go visit them sometime. They aren't amazing. Better than in this video. Check out Buzzfeed www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rosalindadams/intake. The system is a little better...but not great. Some people can get help if they are rich or lucky. Now we have 12 step groups, private therapist who do sliding scale (which helps), but even the non-profits can only do so much and are understaffed. I just got my son back from a psych ward because of cannabis induced psychosis...it's a real thing. Check it out. They kept him the 5 days Medicaid would pay, he talked to a therapist all of 30 minutes total. They never talked to the family until an hour before discharge. Spent most of the time coloring (he's 31), sleeping...the bathroom has no doors, food is good though, a guy tried to take the nurse's syringe and stab her, some other guy pissed himself and no one cleaned up where he trailed piss. The nurse's are understaffed and under trained and if you have no medical power of attorney, the HPPA laws make it so family can't do anything or know anything. Rehabs are usually expensive and won't take Medicaid. The places that do take Medicaid or overwhelmed and lack beds and staff. So, better hope you are rich or have good insurance and hope the insurance doesn't run out. For those who haven't committed crime but have no money to get into these places, and can't really take care of themselves, they end up on the street until they commit a crime or get committed. At the detox center, several months prior, when I sought therapy referral...I was told to put him in detox or tell him to stop weed and if no? Kick him out onto the streets...mind you, dead cold and a pandemic going on. If I had put him into detox, he would have been put in a m-1 hold or 72 hour hold and at that point the doctor (who I don't know) would be in charge of where my son went etc). 1) if you have a loved one struggling with this stuff, make sure they make a power of attorney for you when they are lucid 2) try to find a decent private therapist 3) listen and encourage 4) make sure you also take care of yourself and get help for yourself 5) Do your best but in the end pray and it's their battle...heart-breaking. 6) Pray, let go and let God 7) Breathe and take it one day at a time.

What treatments existed at that time?

@@michaelterrell electric shock therapy was used often and did nothing but cause more issues.

@@pamelamorris3148 That was my point. There was no real treatment at that time. There are drugs that will make you ill if you drink alcohol. They were being used to treat our military who were alcoholics, at least 50 years ago. They didn't exist, when she needed them.

straitjackets not that bad, at least comfy

@@anacarlos 😳

Jail is worse. You have more freedom in prison, believe it or not.

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either - but right through every human heart…even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains…an uprooted small corner of evil." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

@@adamlane6453 yes.... even Peterson, after observing violent prisoners and having time spent with them, could say that. we all have some chance of the utmost good. We also have some chance of the worst .

And, sometimes a person does these things because of a mental issue like schizophrenia, bipolar etc. If, in your delusion or hallcination, you think someone is trying to kill you, you might attack. That's what makes someone with altered perception dangerous. They are not seeing or reacting to the same reality as we are. It's really sad to think that maybe his relative did what he did. Maybe he was also abused or something. And, in the end, maybe he was truly just evil. Usually, though, there is something that causes such extreme behavior.

Not to mention that they may have injured themselves so badly doing the meaningless strenuous tasks that they literally wouldn't be able to work after release.

This B 2 annoying to read but I get what you're saying.

Yeah, right on! Grocery warehouses want you to take items on a pallet and handstack them on another pallet. They force you to hire lumpers who earn 10x the normal wages taken from the truckers wages.

@@dedrakuhn6103 : IKR ??? And you'd best not speak your mind to anyone lest it become worse for you . Been there , done that .

G’night y’all

Well, now we are in the time of corporate prisons where it's a racket to get as many prisoners to have the government pay for the service. Hit the minimum requirements of keeping a human and make the laws more vauge to make anyone showing up in court get as much jail time as possible = $$$$ make the people more accepted into society after release? HAH! Release them with as little support as possible and as angry as possible so... you get a repeat visit ;)

The last part honestly seems not true when one compares European to US prisons, German prison for example is heavily geared towards putting people into work from the usual programs to letting a lot of people go over the day to a real work place and come back at the evening which maybe sounds weird but works really great. Comparing stats like re offending seems pretty clear whit massively lower numbers.

alright, imma let you in on a little secret The thirteenth amendment in America makes slavery illegal... UNLESS, and that's the important part, any individual has a criminal offense or is in the possession of the state. Obviously i'm oversimplifying a little bit, but that's the loophole that allows prisons to pay inmates about 30 cents an hour for mandated work that they HAVE to do. that's why there's such a profit motive for prisons to keep people re-offending, they basically get super cheap, borderline slave labor. Very convenient if you have large groups of people whom you can demonize and send into the meat grinder for money. America isn't interested in re-habilitation or re-integration. it's GOAL is the reoffence, it's GOAL is to make sure that people stay in as long as possible, so they can extract as much money from their labor as possible. Full statement of the thirteenth amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Seems arse-backwards really...make society decent enough that noone lives in poverty...protect people from harm and invest in rehabilitation rather than punishment. And, sorry, but rapists and violent unprovoked murderers( ie, not victims of prolonged abuse retaliating) should be eurthanised, but only if very clear evidence of crime.

And that includes politicians.

An awful lot of that happening.

😂😂😂😂😂 & they loathed it got me

History is always being made and it's massive to begin with.

One does not simply run out of history 😅 Especially considering, we don't even know the whole picture of anything, who knows what we've yet to discover, what things could completely change our perspective or give us better more accurate picture of the time. There is still much to discover

His story, her story, this stories make history!

Well like history it will repeat itself. Just like this its a re-upload.

Don't worry, they just rewrite it using conspiracy theories from the time.

Are you 12?

Then we should just kill the murderers and rapists as soon as they're sentenced??? Hmmm, interesting.

psychopath

You sound like a fun person to be around!

Sounds like you really know a lot about how the system works. What's your degree in?

Because it worked so well... and it still works so well in shithole countries like the U.S.

@@orangejjay I got a PhD in sarcasm