HOW Was This Even ALLOWED?! The Story of West Caribbean Airways flight 708.

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Cruising at 33,000 ft, West Caribbean flight 708 is approaching a very critical situation but the two pilots have NO IDEA. What's about to happen will shock not only the crew, but you as well!
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@MentourPilot День назад

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@sobhansonic1615 День назад

Peter make a video about bs211

@anthonyhenry1140 День назад

Check out the Caribbean Airlines crash which was very silent to the world

@NorwayT День назад

Great Video - as per usual - Brother! Oh, and Mentour Pilot, I'm so sorry! I totally forgot to wish A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY September 22! So, better late than never; -A Belated HAPPY BIRTHDAY, PETTER! I hope you had a great one! 🇸🇪 🇳🇴 😀👍 🎆🎇🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎇🎆🎈🎂🎁🎺🎺🎺⚡💥⚡💥⚡🍀🍀🍀🎀🎆🎉🎉🎉

@GhostSniper67 День назад

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@matthewmahoney6260 День назад

Another outstanding breakdown of an in-flight emergency. I haven’t seen any other comparable videos as good as yours. Your explanations are very easy to understand while at the same time being very in-depth with regard to aircraft systems. Excellent work!! 👍👍👍

@jadziadax1969 День назад

Good grief! If your flight is delayed, the last thing to enter your head is “I wonder if the airline can afford the fuel?”

@MentourPilot День назад

Yeah.. it’s pretty bad

@svr5423 День назад

Good news, we have enough money for the fuel. As for the engine, I'm sure it will run perfectly lubricated on this budget sunflower oil we got from the supermarket.

@miscbits6399 День назад

It should be. This is a surprisingly common reason for delay

@georgeconway4360 День назад

That is not that unusual. I can recall taking less fuel to get paid per diem in advance.

@IanMoone-f2v День назад

@@MentourPilot It must be corruption at a certain level for that to be allowed to happen.

@anonymousSWE День назад

I watched so many Mentour Pilot videos when I'm eating so now my brain has become conditioned to get hungry when a new video is released.

@MentourPilot День назад

Hahaha! That’s a first

@LittleWaffle День назад

@@MentourPilothe Pavloved himself 😂

@anonymousSWE День назад

@@LittleWaffle I did 😂

@brokenglassshimmerlikestar3407 День назад

Hey I do this too ! Just had my beef and cabbage stew while watching this one

@13699111 День назад

That's funny and human

@TheRuralUrbanist День назад

Having worked for a company that later went bankrupt, the biggest lesson I learned was to get the fck out if an employer misses a salary payment. You don't owe them anything and it's they who owe you, even if you leave. Better to cut your losses and find a job before you are forced go compete with everyone else at the company. It's of course not easy, but situations like this usually don't improve. You accrew u paid salaries and worse, sometimes can be pressured into paying certain things for the company with your own money...run!

@NicLaue День назад

Fancy seeing you here... Love your channel!

@cherriberri8373 День назад

Agreed fully. I'm not eating for free and if a company cannot afford to pay it's employees then it cannot afford to run. I would sooner go after them for wage theft than I would work for free.

@moalboris239 День назад

I mostly agree here though I have seen some exceptions. I've had a few friends that had a missed payment but the company they were at was a decent one that just ran into short term problems and paid them back extra next payday over it. I think a better rule of thumb is figuring out how much trust you have in the company and going from there.

@msromike123 День назад

Totally agree. One paycheck, even just one day late. Had to do it just once. Honestly I did let that employer be late, but don't fall into that trap. If it happens once it will happen again.

@hassanalihusseini1717 День назад

Good advice! I had to learn that the hard way. Never again.

@kevinwong1988 День назад

One thing I learned from watching your video is there is no shortcut for safety. Also the health of all the crews are as important as safety.

@MentourPilot День назад

Never

@TilesOnFloor День назад

@@MentourPilothey can you cover the crash of china eastern flight 5735 please I would love to see it.

@13699111 День назад

%100

@puranjandev7915 День назад

@@TilesOnFloor I don’t think the final report has been released yet.

@TilesOnFloor День назад

@@puranjandev7915 They're saying it's PS=Pilot Suicide.

@knyangal День назад

The saddest part is that the first officer recognized the problem but didn't feel confident enough to act and defy the captain, despite knowing this was a life and death situation. It may have made a difference for everyone on board. Very tragic

@MentourPilot День назад

Yep! This is why I keep pushing for younger pilots to ALWAYS speak up.

@aarong9378 День назад

@@MentourPilot Agreed. Even if the young pilot got it wrong, the older pilot will correct them and they will learn.

@dewinjarju8133 День назад

Apply this cowardn3ss in nations society! And you think your free? Your all controlled slaves who think you got any important and real self decisions! Everyone buy what ever they are told. Latterly to DEATH. THAts frightening as hell to think about, raising a bunch of afraid obedient good and usefulll id....ts and so continue support and back the WRONG AUTHORITY

@myparceltape1169 День назад

Would Petter have been able to convince the captain he was making a mistake? Or even persuade him to do something different?

@SundanceHelicopterTours День назад

Yes! I look at my other pilot as my insurance should I possibly make the mistake of my career. Even on that guy’s possibly first day. You just never know when you need your insurance. As I like to fly a bit speedy, I have had situations when the other pilot told me, that he would not feel comfortable. It is important in such situations to actually listen and do something about his concern. Even if it‘s not „fun“. You cannot ignore someone speaking up, ignore the concern but still expect the guy to tell you his concerns on future flights. Discussing manuals, procedures and techniques work best over a beer at the bar in the hotel after the flight. I look at safety like a beautiful flower. You gotta nurture it with constant water, not too much or to little. Regularly. Lots of love always helps, too. Unfortunately, even one stoopid email from someone in the organisation (who may not even be aware of a safety aspect) can cause a lot of damage, which will take time and an effort to rebuild. Super video, thank you.

@ZiggyZoomberg День назад

I really appreciate how you virtually never lay the blame on the crew during these videos. It's important to highlight how structural and systemic failures can allow tragic accidents like this to happen, and I think many other people would be inclined to just point the blame entirely on human (pilot) error here. It speaks of a great level of empathy to understand the kind of stress the pilots and crew might have been dealing with, and how that may have led to a lapse of judgment in a panicked situation such as this. I wish more people approached things like this from such an empathic point of view. Great work.

@chuckhirman7196 День назад

I respect that viewpoint and to some extent agree. But this accident wasn't from equipment failure, or from bad fuel or unfavorable weather. Nor was it caused by an ATC error or by a rogue co-pilot or passenger interference. Unless pilots want someone else determining for them when they seem too distracted or stressed to fly that day, they are responsible to decide if they're ready to fly and then face whatever consequences follow if they decline to do so. The airline deserves a great deal of blame for creating the conditions which caused the stress, yes. But when a failure of basic airmanship causes an accident, that's on the pilot.

@bunglejoy3645 День назад

Well they blame it on pilots as if they've been killed in accident they can't speak for themselves which is sick but that's the world we live in it's sad but I try to stay clear of people it winds me up and triggers my severe mental health issues

@mapleext День назад

@@chuckhirman7196 That comes across as harsh but I take your point. I guess Petter’s emphasis is that (in a more perfect world?) airlines themselves have an interest and co-responsibility in the health and competence of pilots. Yes, you should not work for a company that does not pay you, and you should not pilot if you are dead tired from running a restaurant. But on the other hand this airline did not enforce the rest rules and was not up to par with training CRM and other areas. Since falling out of the sky always causes death, you need higher levels of vigilance from all parties. Sadly, not all parts of all airlines are not always so purely motivated, as we see in today’s world.

@Wintermute909 День назад

@@bunglejoy3645that's what I used to believe but after binge watching all these videos, while there are usually systemic reasons that play a major part , it usually is the pilot's mistakes that were the final cause of the accident. I was genuinely shocked at how few crashes were soley caused by mechanical issues. Maybe I was a little naive & assumed all airline pilots were a little bit like Chuck Yeager.....but it's been really depressing lesson for me.

@sirensynapse5603 23 часа назад

He's just too diplomatic to blame the crews, but I'm not: Pilot is a fecking moron! Even a halfwit who has watched a couple of these videos knows: stall=nose down, speed up! Copilot is a gutless twat who won't take action to save his own life. Darwin awards all around.

@camiloaldana6003 День назад

I live in Colombia and can notice the high grade of detail of your videos as the "Aeronautica civil" building looks exactly as the real building.... Impressive work!!

@albertolopez8859 День назад

iam allways thinking in the Trash of airplanes that Aerosucre is flying ..and allways starting allways direktly over the City Bogota

@NicolaW72 22 часа назад

@@albertolopez8859 Aerosucre is another topic here on this channel.

@albertolopez8859 19 часов назад

@@NicolaW72 if you like,, lock the Docu ...Colombia : Pilots of the Amazon ....i put the link but YT has deleted my post

@fascinatingtome 13 часов назад

Not sure why there's a Nagasaki City bus at an airport in Panama though :)

@COPKALA 10 часов назад

and yet a terminal bus was from a japanese airport...

@CiaranMaxwell День назад

I like the bar at the top you've started using as an indicator of how much time is left in the sponsor block.

@MentourPilot День назад

Happy to hear that

@antlerman7644 5 часов назад

@@MentourPilot I agree with the message above too.

@Ch4rly972 День назад

Thank you, Petter, I was waiting for you to address this tragedy. As a Martiniquais living in Martinique, where we are only 350,000 inhabitants, this event profoundly impacted the entire island. Everyone knew at least one person who was on that flight. Even today, families continue to fight to uncover the real circumstances of this incident and to seek justice.

@Powerranger-le4up 18 часов назад

Hopefully, those families that are seeking answers can now get some closure.

@michaelblankenau6598 13 часов назад

I doubt very much that everyone on the island knew at least one person on the flight . Where do you get your information ?

@sacredandthepropane 9 часов назад

@@michaelblankenau6598 350000 people is the size of a small city in the USA - Martinique isn't big at all. Sure, not literally 'everyone' will have known at least 1 person on the flight, but most islanders definitely at least knew people who knew people on that flight.

@slapshot3 8 часов назад

@@michaelblankenau6598 No need to be so literal

@MrEdouardo33 2 часа назад

Easy now @@michaelblankenau6598

@donaldsalkovick396 День назад

"There's going to be a small delay while our company scrounges up some cash for fuel" I'm sure none of the passengers would have stayed on the plane if they knew that

@NicolaW72 22 часа назад

Indeed, exactly. And probably it would have been at least questionable if the Tour Operator would have booked them with this Airline.

@221b-l3t 19 часов назад

"Don't worry the pilots may soon get paid for the first time in months, if they don't complain too much!"

@Dan-yk6sy 18 часов назад

@@221b-l3tstaying when you are not getting paid is crazy, six months is insane. There's like 1/100,000 chance the company doesn't go bankrupt if they start missing payday.

@jetblackjoy 4 часа назад

Some don't have much choice or maybe just consider it a norm

@glarynth День назад

Waiting at the fuel stand for payment to appear is wild. It's like overspending at a restaurant with friends, and now you have to wait for someone's parents to come bail you out.

@thomasdalton1508 День назад

It's worse than that. Usually, you don't have to pay up front for the fuel at all. The airline just gets billed for the fuel at the end of the month. So it's like ordering at a restaurant and being told your credit is so bad you have to pay for your order before they'll start cooking it, so you have to wait for someone's parents to bail you out before you can even order.

@cesardavrieux3767 День назад

@@thomasdalton1508 Y la cuenta es mucho más expensiva que cualquier buena comida en un buen restaurante. Imagina repostar en esos tanques, aún sin completarlos, con un buen combustible (el más caro) y en un vehículo que lleva muchísimos más pasajeros (por unidad) y mucho más lejos... sin posibles paradas en la ruta.

@ggurks 11 часов назад

I remember one case where the crew hat to borrow money from the passengers to pay for the fuel

@Brian-12345 36 минут назад

Plenty of profitable companies have failed because of bad cash flow. If you don't have enough cash on hand or access to credit for today's expenses, any amount of income next week won't save you.

@staceygrahame2504 День назад

How absolutely heartbreaking that the young First Officer correctly identified the problem with plenty of time left to recover from the stall. I can’t imagine how helpless he must have felt. Knowing they were in a full stall means he knew that they were plummeting to their death for the entire time. He suffered fear the longest. I can’t imagine a situation where the work environment is so untenable, that you wouldn’t fight to save in the very least, your own life. Poor guy. The fact the airline created this environment is nothing short of criminal. RIP to all who lost their lives. It’s always so much sadder when it was a recoverable situation and unneccesary loss of life. 😢

@giftofthewild6665 11 часов назад

He wasn't helpless, he could have taken over controls and pitched down. If the captain was trying to stop him he could have knocked the captain out and saved the plane.

@mariaalejandragonzalezmass1788 7 часов назад

@@giftofthewild6665for a Colombian born and raised in the 80's, only 21 at the time of the tragedy, it would be practically impossible for him to contradict an elder, it was a cultural thing drilled in their minds to respect them and say "Amen" to any word. It is not the same as now that the youngest can reply and give their opinions.

@AndreDumoulin День назад

I was a tour guide in Panama at the time, and I guided a group of visitors from Martinique who took this flying disaster on their return trip...In Panama, we never had this complete information about the causes of this tragic accident. Thank you for this so complete report of the tragedy. A reason why they had used this failing airline is that flights between the Western Caribbean and Latin America come at a very heavy price with the regular airlines.

@cesardavrieux3767 День назад

Lo "barato" siempre sale caro (no lo dije yo)

@RicardoDawkins 23 часа назад

Debe ser por el monopolio de COPA

@NicolaW72 21 час назад

I´m wondering if the Tour Operator would have chosen this airline if he would have known what was going on inside of it.

@AlitteralDude День назад

These vids come at midnight in Philippines too, dont worry. I watch when its my favorite youtuber!

@MentourPilot День назад

Excellent!

@Outworlder 13 часов назад

You can probably relate very well to the window of circadian low.

@AlitteralDude 9 часов назад

@@Outworlder yeah, i just hope i dont fall asleep with my phone on or when i wake up its dead XD

@leightaylor8069 День назад

Coincidentally I just watched the Mayday episode for this crash. Your explanation is better with much more detail. Thank you.

@tookitogo День назад

As much as I enjoyed Mayday back in the day,* in terms of information, Petter is so much better it’s not even a close race. I don’t have enough words for how good this channel is. *i.e. the era before I discovered Mentour Pilot

@tin2001 17 часов назад

@@tookitogo Completely agree... Although I do like hearing the survivors, investigators, rescuers, etc all give little personal details about it too.

@swixoful 2 дня назад

Another brilliant production.

@kasperkoefoed 2 дня назад

Agreed

@thomasshelley4617 День назад

What I love about these videos is that they teach us very real lessons on airmanship. We often end up studying a lot of dry theory for our exams but these lessons i hope will stay in the mind if I ever enter one of these nightmare scenarios.

@Antizokker День назад

Actually not only lessons for pilots also some messages for people in other jobs and in general for life 👌

@stamis22 20 часов назад

I just want to say I love your videos, super informative. I started watching this channel 7 years ago when I was 16 working on my private pilots license, and I just today completed my IOE training and am going to the line for my first job as an FO. You’ve been like a second instructor in the background all those years so thank you and keep up the good work, I hope you're doing absolutely fantastic

@coolvidz1763 22 часа назад

These productions are so accurate and detailed that it makes a Discovery Channel episode look like a sesamestreet episode. Needles to say I'm hooked on Petter's channel.

@sampowellmusic 9 часов назад

Bad analogy. Sesame Street is a quality production and always has been

@WadeBenfitting День назад

How on earth could an airline on the brink of bankruptcy and so much capital ruin be allowed this is just a prime example of this flight should never have gotten off the ground. RIP all who died 🙏 Fantastic video Petter ❤

@MentourPilot День назад

I completely agree

@dan-bz7dz День назад

Columbia. That's how

@thewhitefalcon8539 День назад

Would not flying help them be less bankrupt?

@mikewindsor5759 День назад

@@thewhitefalcon8539 Absolutely - and not only in monetary terms. It's morally bankrupt to knowingly risk the lives of passengers and crew by flying without any care for safety, and finacially more bankrupt to deal with the consequences of the loss of the people and aircraft - the people mostly, as I understand that compensation of some sort is usually a consequence of reckless behaviour leading to the death of others.

@mikewindsor5759 День назад

@@thewhitefalcon8539 Although obviously the financial consequences of reckless behaviour leading to deaths doesn't apply if your company nname happens to be Pfiser or Moderna..... Kind of like the old story that if you owe the bank a thosand pounds (dollars/Euros RMB whatever) ans can't pay it back, you have a problem, but if you owe the bank a billion, the bank has a problem!

@blindtrace7220 День назад

"Stay in school, kids." 👍🏻

@MentourPilot День назад

Exactly

@ErraticKnight 22 часа назад

I worked graveyards for 4 years and it wasn't until your channel that I even learned about circadian low. Explains so much about my difficulty staying awake at that time, alongside as my later diagnosis of sleep apnea! Didn't help that we kept our dispatch area dark except for the glow of TV and computer screens.

@MartinChadwick-xe7gh 17 часов назад

Oddly, a more common definition of circadian low is between 2.00 to 6:00 am rather than the 1:00 am to 3:00 am that Mentour uses. However, my experience is that Mentour is right while 2:00 to 6:00 am is just wrong. Often to avoid heavy traffic I wake up early even at 4:30 am and have never had any issues at this time. I even feel reinvigorated. Unlike, if I drive late at night say between midnight and 1:00 am when I have a few times stopped for a rest or coffee to banish drowsiness.

@Sweetthang9 День назад

Reminds me so much of Pulkovo 612....gain altitude to avoid storms, increasing angle of attack unbeknownst to the crew, engine flameout, flat descent...terrifying. The feeling of helplessness must have been overwhelming. None of us know what its like to feel that way or how we'd react. In both cases, the planes were at a high enough altitude to have just pitched the nose down to gain speed and restart the engines...but the density of emotion one has to wade through to get to reason sometimes is too thick.

@justvid366 День назад

Yeah, I've been thinking of Pulkovo-612 for a while now. It's one of my most terrifying nightmares. Mostly because I can understand the CVR. But while the Pulkovo was over the moment, they entered the flat spin, this flight still had some chances to recover had they pitched down asap.

@justvid366 День назад

Also, the right sit on that flight was occupied by the pilot-in-training who was also around 23y/o and wasn't really really to confront the PIC to push forward while they still were on the verge of the stall. His last words still give me a second-hand PTSD if that's the thing. He was silent for the whole 2 minutes they were falling down, and then he just cried "Please, do not kill us". I hate that I once watched this CVR video.

@AnnaPrzebudzona День назад

There's no way I can truly imagine what it's like to be in such a situation but having watched all Mentor Pilot videos I feel extremely frustrated that the pilots don't immediately push on that column which seems so obvious... to an armchair pilot with a hindsight vision.

@asharak84 12 часов назад

@@AnnaPrzebudzona Seems mad to me too. Stall warning? Get the nose down. It's the first thing I'd be thinking, not a hard to arrive at tricky conclusion. Then again, my limited flying time has mostly been in light aircraft and gliders so the only real option is pitching down.

@classify4782 День назад

I love your videos man, keep up the great work.

@MentourPilot День назад

Glad you like them! I will continue as long as you guys are here to watch them

@gtcreels532 День назад

Stress and lack of rest is a killer

@cesardavrieux3767 День назад

Pero son fatalmente "silenciosos" Un cáncer, una diabetes, una hipertensión, un alto colesterol matan mejor, pero tardan más Tiempo, te dan oportunidad de analizar la situación.

@VeraHuden-mj5bt 22 часа назад

In most occupations.

@gtcreels532 22 часа назад

@@cesardavrieux3767 yeah pretty much leads to that

@gtcreels532 22 часа назад

Especially in a corporate setting

@sarahfrith1984 День назад

Maybe the stall warning needs to change to “stall, push forward” to remind a pilot in a panic as I’ve heard a few crashes like this now ☹️

@thomasdalton1508 День назад

That's a great idea. And stick pushers should be more common.

@davidjr4903 День назад

no, if they dont know they should push down in a stall then they should nver be in control of an airplane

@sarahfrith1984 День назад

@@davidjr4903 of course but Peter explained that panic can incapacitate humans, I would fully expect a pilot to know how to handle a stall but I suppose people react in wild ways in an emergency

@cud0s День назад

Great idea, wonder why it’s not like that already

@JaroslawFiliochowski День назад

@@davidjr4903 at low altitudes, pushing down in a stall, might be less important than avoiding a "terrain, terrain!" alert.

@parsapahlavan4878 День назад

Hearing "at time zero..." gives me some chills for a while now 😂 Would you consider doing a video on the runway collision in Japan Hadena airport that happened early 2024? Both the facts that it is very recent and also the flawless evacuation makes it an interesting and educational video.

@HasekuraIsuna День назад

Is the final report out on Haneda? He avoids doing videos on incidents without final report.

@RingoSkulkin День назад

He said he was waiting for the final report. Almost all his videos are made after the final report (which is a good thing).

@wiredforstereo День назад

Final report first. That can take up to two years.

@parsapahlavan4878 23 часа назад

@@RingoSkulkin didn't know that. Thanks!

@parsapahlavan4878 23 часа назад

@@wiredforstereo wow. Thanks!

@stevenwest000 2 дня назад

I’m less than 7 minutes into this documentary but it seems quite clear that the airline was heading for big trouble. And I’ve learned something new as I didn’t realise that aircraft couldn’t reach their cruise altitude until their weight was reduced during fuel burn, and also that altitude is limited due to anti-icing systems being activated. Thanks for another very professional documentary.

@sobhansonic1615 День назад

Same

@DaanVanruiten День назад

Can someone explain why it says that the video was uploaded 47mins ago to me but your comment @stevenwest000 was commented 17 hours ago!?

@leighaldous382 День назад

@@DaanVanruiten channel members get early access

@stevenwest000 День назад

Yeh as another person already said, Patreon members get early access, as one of the membership perks. It is very common on many channels for people to leave reviews on pre-release videos where this applies.

@Jordan-Ramses День назад

It seems like a Columbian airline would be extremely lucrative.

@TheLastPhoen1x День назад

The little detail about the cupcake makes it even sadder...

@xcudam1029 День назад

Absolutely. That part gave me a sharp tug at the heartstrings..... RIP

@221b-l3t 19 часов назад

How? In my opinion the Captain killed everyone on board when he ignored the FO. His arrogance killed them in a way. So I don't really care if he got to have a cupcake or not, there where probably children aboard.

@TheLastPhoen1x 11 часов назад

@@221b-l3t Because it shows him as a human too, and having to make ends meet due to not being paid I believe he wouldn't buy "frivolous" things, like a cupcake, with his own money.

@hayjack2087 День назад

I’ve seen the mayday episode on this, great to see the story told another way!

@MentourPilot День назад

I hope this adds more detailed info

@Arbyfilmaren День назад

@@MentourPilot Yes, your analysis is always better and more level-headed. The Mayday episode is more dramatized.

@mikko3315 День назад

The quality of MP videos keeps going up! Very informative, thank you

@timboyguy День назад

22:18 What a truly good short lesson of aerodynamics 😲. I'm learning a lot from your videos. Anyways, have a good one Petter

@michaelbond569 День назад

Driving during that window is really difficult as well. Recently did an over 12hr, overnight drive to get home and that was absolutely brutal around 0300-0400

@laurentiupopa5001 20 часов назад

and here I am at 4AM not being able to fall asleep. for me, sunrise is brutal, especially when driving. I can drive all night, when the sun rises, it's killing me.

@MartinChadwick-xe7gh 16 часов назад

@@laurentiupopa5001 Tiredness is accepted as being more dangerous than being drunk at the wheel. You must stop and take a rest or a coffee if that helps. You must make it clear to your employer that if you so choose to stop that doing this is acting in your company's best interests. It could be that 15 mins is all it takes.

@GarfieldRex 17 часов назад

Very sad story. Also, extremely detailed and diverse renders, love them!👏🏼

@egvijayanand День назад

In utter shock, I never imagined it would end this way, with the loss of all souls on board. As you pointed out, the airliner shouldn't have been allowed to operate if it couldn't even afford to fuel the plane on time. The first officer should have requested the pilot to push the nose down to recover from the stall.

@laz001 День назад

The understanding of human psychology in the airline industry is second to none, really fascinating how you explore it

@DaveCroft-w1d 22 часа назад

"Stay in school kids" love it!!🤣

@aeg_125 16 часов назад

Thank you for the great video, Petter. RIP to those lost. It’s a little bit of comfort to know that the passengers and crew were unaware and didn’t have to experience the pain and terror that we often associate with air accidents. 💗

@NerdX151 День назад

I will never understand why so many pilots would rather die than speak up to their senior captains. If the stall warning is sounding, the stick shaker is active and the plane is falling, how can you just sit back and say "Oh well. I don't want to get scolded by the captain. Guess I will just die". It really baffles me.

@Skaitania 21 час назад

I think just like the senior captain, he had complete faith in the captain's experience to the end. He knew what was wrong, but because the captain was active and "doing something" he probably trusted the man on his left with his life more than he did in his own training.

@Razmatschannel 17 часов назад

Thats probably not what he was thinking at all, he was thinking how he trusted his captain with his life and the captain must be doing something to correct the situation. Its very common even in our daily lives where we ignore something that we may know is wrong, since we trust the authorities that are doing the wrong thing. Imagine the same situation with your boss at work. They have more experience and you must be missing something they see.

@Wolfeson28 12 часов назад

I think the issue is that, if an older, more senior, more experienced colleague doesn't react to your advice, or reacts in a negative way, you implicitly start to doubt yourself and whether you've actually diagnosed the situation correctly. In a situation that's inherently confusing and stressful, you're never 100% sure whether you've figured it out correctly, and a negative response can easily cause you to doubt your analysis.

@lukemoores6763 22 часа назад

I really love all the context you gave here. If you just jumped into the accident sequence it would have seemed incredible that the pilots didn’t immediately pitch down and recover. However, it’s much easier to understand how this happened because of your excellent research and story telling.

@sriramn1809 День назад

I am not a nervous flyer or an aspiring pilot. But the videos are still entertaining. But not only that, but is also informative in general, even outside the aero domain.

@monsterninja2241 День назад

Poor captain didn't knew it was his last cup cake of his life 😢

@NicolaW72 21 час назад

Yes.

@TheNukewarfare2 День назад

Petter, I’m hoping you’ll get to Air Algérie 5017. The crash was eerily similar to West Caribbean 708. Both were MD-80s, both got “behind the power curve” (and with thrust diminished, the autopilot kept trimming to maintain altitude) and both experienced high-altitude stalls in icing conditions from which the flight crews did not recover. Most perplexingly, in both cases the crews inexplicably kept pulling back on the yoke despite clear stall warnings (stick shaker plus aural “STALL sᴛᴀʟʟ” alerts from the CAWS).

@MrNicoJac 23 часа назад

Sounds like it's almost exactly the same crash - what would be the point in making another video?

@mangos2888 18 часов назад

If it's the same, why cover it?

@oboealto День назад

Fantastic production value. The amount of detail in the footage and editing is really impressive!

@GordonFreeman-sl6pi 22 часа назад

My young 15 y/o nephew wants to become an Airline Pilot. He asked me if I had any advice. I told him : practice english, and subscribe to Mentour Pilot. I'm such a cool uncle.

@sharinaross1865 22 часа назад

Lol. That you are.

@anna_in_aotearoa3166 13 часов назад

Hope he is able to follow his dreams! There's an amazing range of really thoughtful, carefully-researched air industry safety analysis content on YT between MP, Green Dot Aviation, Disaster Breakdown, Air Safety Institute, blancolirio, & 74Gear for more close-call type incidents. I feel like there's a huge amount would-be and current pilots can do to learn for free here, and hopefully avoid a few of the scarier learn-by-personal-error moments? Obviously IRL experience is something else altogether! But the understanding of human psychology & systems failures that these researchers provide is something that is 100% useful for anybody who's interested in HSE & quality assurance, whatever their industry.

@alanduncan4207 4 часа назад

Probably the best description of the power curve I've encountered. I'm a pilot and have never heard such a succinct and clear explanation of the area on the left of the power curve.

@MentourPilot 3 часа назад

Thank you! Great to hear that you found it helpful.

@nchimunyasiadangu1470 День назад

Even i know how to get out of a stall just by watching Mentour Pilot videos

@albertvandeventer8325 День назад

Every aircraft should carry a library of your videos to refer to in times of trouble. Your knowledge of aircraft and its dynamics is mind boggling and yet you explain it so that anybody that watches can understand. Thanks to you and your team for a 5 star channel.

@MentourPilot День назад

Thank you for watching.

@unitrader403 День назад

"We got an all Engine Flameout, what should we do" "Better refer to Mentour Pilot" *continues to watch all related accident videos for 10 hours* "Ok, now we are prepared properly to bring this Bird down" *looks out the window and only sees Trees* *continues to watch all Mentour Pilot Videos related to Terrain Avoidance for another 10 hours*

@conny.rapp.tattoo День назад

Wait until theres blinkist for Videos @@unitrader403

@panosdotnet День назад

Watching any kind of videos while flying an airplane is probably not safe.

@thecrazyswede2495 День назад

@@unitrader403 Great comments by everybody! Seems like the "drinking game" should be mandatory. One Mentour Pilot video. Check. One beer/shot down the hatch. Check. Repeat and rinse. Breyoshim? Time to fight about the bottle! cheers! / CS

@FutureSystem738 17 часов назад

Wing anti-ice at FL330? Really? These guys were really “asleep at the wheel”. If ever needing to fly at Max altitude, (something you always try to avoid), I’d say to my FO - “No distractions- we MUST watch the speed. If we hit minimum drag speed, we will NOT fly slower than that, even if we have to descend slightly to maintain that speed.” What a sad story. I hadn’t heard of this one, so damn preventable!

@kylecarter6890 День назад

Fantastic video as always! I really appreciate how you focus on the total circumstances, instead of just saying "pilot error" and leaving it at that. So many people just stop looking when they run into the most immediate cause being something that went on in a person's mind (error, mental health, etc) instead of looking into what environmental factors could have contributed to that mental state.

@blackstone3361 День назад

Thanks for youre effort man!

@MentourPilot День назад

My pleasure! I’m so happy to have you here!

@Logo800 44 минуты назад

I’m recovering from Covid. Thanks for the video today. It was much needed.

@jordias6436 День назад

2:04 Your Spanish pronunciation of that name is spot on!!

@luiskp7173 День назад

This accident was so bad, that it not only took West Caribbean out, but the inspection by the Colombian Civil Aviation Authority on passenger airlines, forced “Intercontinental de aviación”to shut down also. As a Colombian I’m very wary of Colombian startups airlines and just stick to AVIANCA. Just last year VIVA and ULTRA were going the same way of West Caribbean (Specifically not paying crew on time and not having insurance money) but thankfully the Civil Aviation Authority grounded them before any fatalities occurred. (ULTRA ceasing operations and filed for bankruptcy the minute their insurance expired)

@dapylot1227 20 часов назад

What's your opinion on Wingo? I flew last year in july and had no problems but I don't know much about it in general.

@heidirabenau511 11 часов назад

Do you fly LATAM Colombia?

@TheShowblox 9 часов назад

IVE BEEN WAITING SO LONG FOR THIS ONE TO BE COVERED YAYAYAYAYA

@SatanicBunny666 День назад

Great video, yet again. One of the key points from this video that applies to everyone working in any industry and every kind of accident: people in stressful situations will miss obvious things. This is why, for example, in the military people are taught to repeat callouts often, because during combat stress even simple instructions and orders can be easily missed. The first officer should have recognized this and kept repeating that they're stalling, and if the captain still hadn't reacted, he should have taken control and acted himself. When something happens that is not normal, whether at work or anywhere else, do not assume other people notice the same things you do, and vice versa. In high stress situations be as clear as possible while also stating what should be done to fix the situation. And if you see stressed people either freezing up or going into full-autopilot mode and about to do something stupid, prevent it if you can. And, if you're unsure of what is going on, ask for help instead of assuming your picture of the situation is correct.

@NicolaW72 21 час назад

Indeed, exactly!

@FutureSystem738 18 часов назад

Another video from Petter and team, Yay! Thanks 🙏

@kavishdevar День назад

Love your videos!! Never stop making these videos!

@MentourPilot День назад

Glad you like them! I will continue as long as there are lessons to teach

@Marshal_Dunnik День назад

26:44 "Are you happy about your cupcake, captain?" "Oh yes, very happy, thank you!" "Are you equally happy about the current state of this aircraft?"

@NicolaW72 21 час назад

Sadly nobody questioned him this.

@baanibarnes9711 8 часов назад

I know there was a lot going on here but, in my limited experience and knowlege of flying/piloting, I have come across the stall situation many times - PUSH THE NOSE DOWN! They had so much altitude and time to do this and could so easily have recovered control of the aircraft, but, as you say constantly, most aviation 'incidents' are the result of many cumulative factors. I just hope there are a LOT of pilots watching your channel who take your lessons to heart, I'm sure that somewhere you have saved lives with what you put out, keep up the good work!

@jens-joachimvonbandemer1981 23 часа назад

as far as I recall MACH ATL ist not Mach altitude but Mach Autothrottle limit

@PepekBezlepek 11 часов назад

it's incredibly frustrating and sad to see a story of a perfectly working airplane being doomed like this. I learn so much in these videos, all the technical aspects of flying, the physics of it, and very importantly the human nature and psychology part. this all makes it actually very easy to understand even seemingly unbelievably stupid looking pilot actions and not feel the need to blame them, but rather to really emphatise. thank you so much for bringing this rare kind of multifaceted awareness and education to the flight enthusiasts on the internet ♥

@gcorriveau6864 День назад

In my book, "Uplift" I wrote about passengers asking me if I ever get bored during cruise flight. It is impossible to describe, in a short answer, all these dynamic threats (such as Peter so clearly describes here) that exist during flight at high altitude. There are so many. I could only shrug and say: "Trust me. Boring is good. You wouldn't like exciting!" This tragedy is a sad illustration of a flight quickly becoming 'exciting.' Sad outcome.

@MentourPilot День назад

Absolutely true!

@NathanXxplosion День назад

I drive a lot for work, and though I’m not at 30k feet while travelling, a ‘boring’ drive is almost always preferable to the alternative 😅

@luiskp7173 День назад

As an anesthesiologist, I got asked the same question, we are physically active during induction and emergence (not to be confused with emergency), other than that we’re mostly monitoring and doing little adjustments here and there on the workstation. I often joke my job is 99% boredom /1% panic. So, yes, boring is good!

@DaaDucktator 15 часов назад

This was gut wrenching. The boy knew it. He got the stall, just if he was trained more

@Twobarpsi 14 часов назад

Captain! I HAVE CONTROL!!

@Suburp212 День назад

The most scary "stay tuned" ever :)

@howebrad4601 21 час назад

You have such a magnificent way of explaining these complex principles in an easy to understand way

@landychen9968 День назад

Excellent video as always!

@MentourPilot День назад

Thank you!! 💕💕

@williamfence566 День назад

So sad but critical we learn from a tragedy . As always Petter your explanations make a laymen understand ( a bit ) as to why these things occur. thanks again.

@MartinChadwick-xe7gh 16 часов назад

I think we may well have missed the point here. The specific flight details are interesting but not critical. This pilot combination, over time, made a crash almost inevitable.

@Keenath День назад

I get that airline training is different than private, but all these stories about stalls or near stalls where the crew just won't put the nose down make me crazy. My training pounded it into my brain: nose down full power, nose down full power (and then clean up the aircraft if you weren't clean already). It's like they're more worried about busting their flight level than about actually getting the air going over the wings the right way.

@GarrickCCF День назад

I would like to thank you for all the great works on these videos! I’m an airline pilot and I have learnt so many things from your channel. You are really making the aviation industry safer by sharing these information.

@MentourPilot День назад

Thank you! That’s warms my heart to hear

@dondinero718 День назад

Sad story but great production

@philipackom7794 День назад

This takes me completely by surprise, I expected the next episode next Sunday. Now, lemme find my popcorn and enjoy😁😎! Thanks Petter🤲. Are we switching to weekly releases going forward?

@MentourPilot День назад

No, not quite but given the extra influx of Patreons, we have now managed to expand the team enough to create 1 extra video per month on both channels.. so there will be releases 3 weeks in a row, then a week of rest on MP.

@NicolaW72 21 час назад

@@MentourPilot Thank you!🙂👍

@ThatWouldBeCareless День назад

Ohh man hearing that the FO knew what was happening but just followed instructions he knew didn't make sense... I can't imagine how helpless he must’ve felt.

@MartinChadwick-xe7gh 16 часов назад

Mentour's or the industry's definition of perfect CRM seems to be the pilots working in unison with specific tasks split in a well defined way between them. This is optimal when no mistakes are being made but is far from brilliant when one has made an error and seems unable to respond to a prompt. Perhaps pilots need to practise the most safety critical task of pilot monitoring which is actually taking control? E.g. the pilot monitoring could tell the pilot flying that once a month, at a quiet time, he will announce that he is about to take control and then a few seconds later take control. This will get both pilots used to the concept that the pilot monitoring could actually take control. I guess many are not even sure of which functions are inherited and finding out in an emergency is not the right time.

@hughpalmer1688 8 часов назад

Your show is one of the best on UTUBE. I like how you break aircraft parts down and make it very easy to understand.

@sheldon97sheldon День назад

Haha, it autoplayed to this new video upload at the end of my last video. The algorithm knows I was gonna click on it immediately anyway!

@MentourPilot День назад

Aww, that’s great to hear!!

@LeeHarveyOswald91 12 часов назад

Very welcome to mentour, yet another video podcast and I hope you are doing absolutely fantastic! ❤ watching you since the first officer programs video 9 years ago - I’m still not an airline pilot yet but I needed to work to save money for my training. I just finished my PPLs :) i wanna thank you mentour for your videos - they have helped me In not just aviation knowledge and entertainment but in a lot of aspects of life. I have immense respect for you and even my dad (a commercial ship captain) watches your video and loves them. Thank you

@kevinklassen4328 День назад

Great video! As a private pilot student, I don't understand why professional airline pilots would need to do 'training' on how to recover from a stall, which is what they would have learned from day 1 as student pilots.

@mariomenezes1153 День назад

Remember that training is something that needs to be done repeatedly, so that you can do the action instinctively when needed. Assume that is why commercial pilots have to regularly undergo simulator training. It is not every day that they need to recover from a stall, but on the one day it is needed it is critical that they do it correctly.

@kevinklassen4328 День назад

@@mariomenezes1153 Point well taken. I guess from my perspective it's drilled into me over and over. But maybe when you're a pilot with 10,000 hours and you're focused on all the intricacies of handling a complex jet, you forget the basics.

@mariomenezes1153 День назад

@@kevinklassen4328 And you have 200 to 400 lives depending on you. Not to mention multi millions of dollars of aircraft as well as regulators. They tend to get finicky about safety 😊

@gluonpa6878 День назад

Thanx for your fantastic video. I like "mayday" a lot also, but you go further in the technical explanations.

@MentourPilot День назад

Glad to hear that! I am so happy to have you here!

@gluonpa6878 День назад

@@MentourPilot Thanx. I'd say that "Mayday" go a bit deeper in the human aspect of the accident and have several different experts.

@AvvrYT243 День назад

Hi, I’m early! Just wanted to say, so much was stacked against this flight, the circadian low, being nearly over weight, thunderstorms, and the anti ice

@MentourPilot День назад

Hard to say! But I’m so happy to have you here early! I hope the video answered some questions!

@Cliff.Hanger День назад

@@MentourPilot for a birthday present I was given 45 mins in a 737:800 simulator a static one not a hydraulic box. My first take off and landing was smooth and accurate. The second was a landing at Hong Kong at night. Super smooth landing. My First Officer said that for my first attempt in a sim I was one of the best. But what’s the best sim I could make at home? Using a keyboard is, well, not like a real aircraft. Any links to what I need to look at? Thank you.

@AvvrYT243 День назад

@@Cliff.Hanger that sound like a great birthday present, I would love to do something like that. Ik I’m not mentour pilot but I will say there are some good options for both side sticks and yokes on Amazon,if you want to be as accurate as possible you will need more gear, which will be quite expensive.

@Cliff.Hanger 13 часов назад

@@AvvrYT243 my ‘First Officer’ asked my if I had done a flight sim before. I said that no I hadn’t, but I’ve seen every Mentor Pilot video so I know how to crash it, so if I don’t do any of those I’ll should be okay. He smiled. And I did go a gliding course and flew solo 3 times very many decades ago. I’d love to try taking off and cutting out one engine, trying the Hudson River airstrip with no engines, trying the side slip method to loose height without any speed brakes or flaps just like the aircraft that ran out of fuel and diverted to a now disused airfield where drag racing was taking place.

@paulbrasler8751 День назад

Absolutely my favorite RU-vid content

@MentourPilot День назад

I can’t tell you how happy it makes me, to hear that. 💕

@planetcrypto8662 День назад

I hope you're doing absolutely fantastic!

@savclaudiu2133 День назад

As always nice presentation. Please make a video explaining why so many pilots have the impression that pulling on the stick will keep the plane flying. Another case I remember with a similar pilot reaction was Air France Flight 447, and maybe many more. Sometimes it feels like that they don't have the intuition of angle of attack, airspeed and drag. I feel that all pilots should first learn to fly a glider. Pull the stick and you won the Darwin awards.

@sunysuny3030 День назад

Hey Captain you it so clear explaining everything regarding aviation that layman like us understand everything, thank you so much!

@MentourPilot День назад

Great to hear that! This is exactly what we are trying to do

@KCLIBURN-mj9qx День назад

Couldn't agree more! The more you see all the things the pilots have got to stay on top of, you can feel for yourself the importance of being well rested and in a good state of mind. Unfortunately in this case it added up to RIP for something that could have been avoided. Petter's videos are top notch because he explains things like no other incident channel I've seen. Watching his channel has given me great respect for what the pilots have to do. Thanks again, Captain for another great although sad video.

@Hrafnskald День назад

6:46 Wow. Safety violations, unable to pay fines, deadly crash beforehand, unable to pay pilots, failing to pay for a weather report, barely old enough to fly copilot paired with an exhausted pilot, unable to pay for the fuel for the flight...that airline is looking really bad, even before takeoff.

@gshick 18 часов назад

24:32 stay in school kids! Maybe the first joke I’ve ever heard Peter say!

@BenKane-f2x День назад

I feel like he skipped a page of the script. starting at 1:14- He mentions that they bought the plane that had been in storage and then immediately into "before being restored to airworthy conditions and imported into Columbia where it would later become involved in this story" then directly into "likely because of this safety standards at the airline had been slipping" So how did restoring the airplane cause safety standards at the airline to slip?

@yagneshraviteja 6 часов назад

Glad that you speak about the Circadian rhythm and the graveyeard shift almost everytime in detail. I have no hope of anyone from employer realizing this, as I have started to look else where for a regular shift job. Doing this on a daily basis is just frustrating and effecting my physical and mental healthy in a really bad way 😢

@ottomakers День назад

Your instruction is notable because my eyes don't glaze over when the maths come up. I'm always able to follow along. Astounding. Cupcakes are also astounding.

@GoHARD99 День назад

I feel lucky to have caught your latest video right when it came out on RU-vid

@MentourPilot День назад

And I’m super happy to have you here so early. Early views help extend the reach of the video so, thank you!

@dirkschwartz1689 День назад

Great video as always, Petter! If I'm not mistaken stall revocery manoeuver (pitch down, add thrust) is something pilots practise for hours in their first PPL training in, say, a Cessna 172. How much of the muscle memory that this must build is worn off by years of flying commercial aircraft where lots of other emergency procedures become important? Not that this would have helped here as the Captain clearly didn't even register that they were in a stall.

@dan-bz7dz День назад

All pilots should watch shows like these. In case of Air France, they had no excuse of being fatigued or not paid.

@czerskip День назад

WC Airways - what could ever go wrong with that name.

@MentourPilot День назад

Hahaha! I didn’t think of that 😅

@frufruJ День назад

@@MentourPilot I'm sorry, this is off topic - but did you really pronounce Czechia as "čečia"? The Czech ("ček") Republic and (soon to be former) country of the Czech ("ček") Airlines? This is the kind of blunder that I wasn't expecting from a. an international pilot and b. your channel.

@nobodydoesithalfasgoodasyou 21 час назад

@@frufruJmany Czechs including politicians warned that efforts to have people call the country Czechia would result in them saying chetchia, and that is exactly what has happened. There would have been less potential for confusion if they had gone with Czechland.

@gungaldin 15 часов назад

Beautifully explained Petter. Magnus.

@wokedonkey День назад

Argh, these videos always come out at midnight in Sydney! I’ll definitely be failing any Karolinska sleep score test tomorrow 😅

@MentourPilot День назад

Haha! Sorry

@mabbidy День назад

What an insanely sad and scary story

@MrPuukjeens День назад

Some fields just cannot sacrifice shortcut taking, avio is one of them.

@edyoo7 10 часов назад

At this point, I’m not sure if I like you or hate you. A few things have happened since I first watched one of your videos. I became obsessed with your channel. Now, the first answer that comes to mind when my wife asks, “What are we watching tonight?” is Mentour Pilot, which turns out isn't ideal answer since She’s even started to become afraid of flying, so I have to avoid the tragic ones. Another thing that’s happened is that I now know so much about flying that I have a million thoughts running through my head whenever I board an airplane. And lastly, I just spent £350 on some flight simulator hardware… So this has become bad even for my budget! You are amazing!

@Mrgoodguy865 День назад

Awesome video on this topic

@stephengrimmer35 2 часа назад

I'm amazed there are systems out there that are able to prioritize preserving altitude over airspeed. Good old McDonald Douglas. Not to mention rear-engined T tails.