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How Wireless Charging Works and Why It's Terrible 

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You’ve seen wireless chargers, the tech is now as common as the smartphones they power. But did you know that they come with a big catch? Today we go over the tech behind wireless charging and just how much it actually takes to get your battery full again.
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00:00 Intro
00:18 What to know about wireless chargers
00:36 How does wired charging work
01:11 How does wireless charging work
01:47 Wireless charging issues and some solutions
02:49 Worst Case Scenario of Wireless Charging
03:13 A look at the Tesla wireless charging platform
03:55 Final thoughts
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@YEdwardP
@YEdwardP Месяц назад
What I find most frustrating is that if you're going to go as far as using magnets to ensure "perfect" alignment for the coils, you might as well use them to align metal contacts. Same convenience as "wireless" charging, but with the efficiency of wired charging.
@MaxPower-11
@MaxPower-11 Месяц назад
Most folks have cases on their devices and as such metal contacts probably won’t work particularly well.
@iyad8644
@iyad8644 Месяц назад
That wouldn't work well due to cases and camera bumps. Do keep in mind that many wireless chargers are integrated into flat surfaces like you'd find in cars, they don't all just flop around with a wire.
@Alexzw92
@Alexzw92 Месяц назад
Not a bad thought. Could work with a special case
@huncorn6938
@huncorn6938 Месяц назад
@@iyad8644 no problem. apple could make special magsafeish cases and sell for 100$
@supercellex4D
@supercellex4D Месяц назад
invented the iPad smart connector award
@Poorgeniu5
@Poorgeniu5 Месяц назад
My dad always complains about his phone getting hot when wireless charging in his car and no matter how centered I align his phone, it'll always gets hot and his phone will stop charging to control the thermals. But this video and illustration of Tesla solution of slapping so many coils might be the problem but my dad resorted to wired charging in his car anyway.
@RootBert397
@RootBert397 Месяц назад
Does your dad drive a VW by any chance?
@Poorgeniu5
@Poorgeniu5 Месяц назад
@@RootBert397 Nah, he drives a 23' Acura
@bjorncallewaert5841
@bjorncallewaert5841 Месяц назад
I have the same issue with my 13 pro in my 2024 Polestar 2
@RootBert397
@RootBert397 Месяц назад
@@bjorncallewaert5841 i tried so many cars, even expensive ones (i use a lot of car sharing so i drive a lot of different cars over a week) the only car charger that doesnt cook my 12 pro is the cheap 10€ one off ebay i put in my 30 year old shitbox miata. Hilarious.
@vasiovasio
@vasiovasio 29 дней назад
Jokes aside - Next time when you complain about this, just tell him the truth that Every One of us Without Exception will Die! Thats it. And see his reaction! 😉
@MichaelLargent
@MichaelLargent Месяц назад
I didn't realize the power loss or temps were so high. I'm going back to the ol' wire. Much appreciate the video.
@monad_tcp
@monad_tcp Месяц назад
I'm surprised its between 50% and 100%, I excepted wireless charging to be 300% extra energy wasted
@faranocks
@faranocks Месяц назад
@@monad_tcp In ideal scenarios transferring energy through magnets is close to 100%. Many/most transformers use some variation of this, and reach efficiencies exceeding 95%, and many over 99%. This includes the power from the grid to 120/240/110v or from 120v to 12v in your desktop computer. The issue is that the formulas are extremely well known, documented, and explored. Power is directly proportional to the distance squared. You can't really get closer than what we are doing now. If the coils were essentially touching we would see even higher efficiencies, but that's unreasonable for a multitude of reasons.
@arcmchair_roboticist
@arcmchair_roboticist Месяц назад
Another important note is how much of our power really is lost this way? Charging a phone, even at 25% efficiency takes 50 wh. Assuming you charge your phone about 1 time per day, this amounts to a very small overall amount of energy still. This energy is comparable to using a kettle, running a dishwasher for 2 minutes, or watching 30 minutes of TV. Personally I'm not convinced that the difference in energy from wireless to wired charging is really worth the inconvenience given that the difference in energy is pretty insignificant compared to so many other daily human activities.
@MichaelLargent
@MichaelLargent Месяц назад
@@arcmchair_roboticist if you look at it yearly it becomes more obvious how much power it is. Suddenly you're looking at enough power to run a kettle for over 7 hours. Multiply that by millions of users and suddenly we're looking at enough power waste to run cities and a major carbon impact too.
@arcmchair_roboticist
@arcmchair_roboticist Месяц назад
@@MichaelLargent yeah and the electricity consumption of producing a single hamburger is in the tens of kwh, will this change the consumption habits of people? Saving a couple of kwh a year per person is not worth much.
@davidgoncalvesalvarez
@davidgoncalvesalvarez Месяц назад
It’s terrible until the charging port doesn’t charge and the phone is able to stay alive for another year thanks to it.
@RainbowGin
@RainbowGin Месяц назад
This is why we need repairable phones.
@dilutedoxygen
@dilutedoxygen Месяц назад
This wouldn't be a problem if phones were repairable enough
@FarmYardGaming
@FarmYardGaming Месяц назад
Real
@almfreak
@almfreak Месяц назад
I agree with your sentiment, but it’s a bandaid to the real problem of un-repairable phones. There’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to pop down to a repair shop and have your charging port fixed for the same price as a certified wireless charger, but tech companies want you to buy more stuff, not fix the stuff you own.
@RandomUser2401
@RandomUser2401 Месяц назад
@@dilutedoxygen they are. changing the charging port is nothing you can't do on current phones.
@NotCaptainToad
@NotCaptainToad Месяц назад
Glad to see this video. I worked in a phone store, where I would continuously correct everyone I worked with including my manager, that no, wireless chargers were not in fact better for your battery longevity and to stop telling that to the customers that weren't knowledgeable enough to know otherwise, so they had to trust our experience and advice. I quickly realized that they either didn't choose to believe me or do any research themselves before making recommendations, or didn't care because selling an additional $40-$70 charger as essential for phone health was part of their commissions. I remember them saying they "trickle charge" like it was some feature of the wireless chargers when it's just something most modern phones do. Mind you I still sold a decent amount of them being completely honest with people, as there are still use cases even without a claim of better battery longevity. Convenience, an alternative if your port fails, to name a few. This is one of the many reasons I chose to move into the electronic repair business instead, a lot more honesty there compared to retail phone sales.
@larrylarrington9229
@larrylarrington9229 Месяц назад
It really irritates me when people blindly trust employees at a phone store
@SonicXRage
@SonicXRage Месяц назад
It's frustrating to me when I see anyone put their full trust in an "expert." It's so easy to be deceived either intentionally or by the negligence of said "expert." That's why I try to do my own research before buying anything.
@alleeadl289
@alleeadl289 29 дней назад
people like you make the world a better place for everyone, thanks.
@mattpolton3802
@mattpolton3802 26 дней назад
@@larrylarrington9229 i agree i think it becaue they the type that trust local people over some one line
@nemotamang58
@nemotamang58 25 дней назад
It really infuriates me when the seller tries to sell items beyond their expertise with half-assed sales pitch. Went to buy laptop, seller doesn't know what type of CPU it has. He just says intel i5 or i7 or Ryzen 5. [CPU have H,P,U,G,E etc lineups that indicates how intense it can perform & how power effecient it is. As well as the generation of the cpu.]
@jarboer
@jarboer Месяц назад
This is exactly why Apple never released AirPower, even Apple realized so many coils in a wireless charger is too much heat to manage properly. Honestly it’s good they pivoted to MagSafe and the Qi 2 standard adopted the same tech.
@antman7673
@antman7673 Месяц назад
I don’t know if it is necessary heat from too many coils: -The biggest problem is many coils and even if intelligently managed, there is still a. high chance of bad alignment. That bad alignment is then creating more heat during charging, then it otherwise would.
@asifabdullahzamee7476
@asifabdullahzamee7476 29 дней назад
Bullshit. I'm pretty sure they knew that before showcasing it on stage
@sippingthepeachsoda
@sippingthepeachsoda 28 дней назад
@@asifabdullahzamee7476Yeah they most likely assumed that another billion in r&d would fix it but it obviously didn’t, so it was cancelled.
@asifabdullahzamee7476
@asifabdullahzamee7476 27 дней назад
@@sippingthepeachsoda right. also we are sending rockets in to deep interstellar space, to Mars so wireless charging tech is actually piece of cake and it should be. But apple actually underestimated the tech. Or else airpower actually could have been a great product in my opinion.
@achmadputra2
@achmadputra2 26 дней назад
@@asifabdullahzamee7476 the problem with airpower isn’t just the heat, but also the fact that it had different 2 coils stack top of each other. the ordinary Qi coil and the apple watch magnetic coil.
@ashfakuddinahmed1807
@ashfakuddinahmed1807 Месяц назад
Living in a subtropical country, 30°C temperature feels almost like late fall or early spring. It's usually 40-42°C during summer and 35-38°C most of the year. So our phone batteries are constantly getting degraded even without charging.
@hyakinthos_0902
@hyakinthos_0902 Месяц назад
its the rapid charge and discharge that will definitely wear the battery faster as long as battery temp is within 45C you dont need to worry i have my iphone for 4 years with 83%capacity left and the climate is usually as tropical as yours is
@MMuraseofSandvich
@MMuraseofSandvich Месяц назад
I'm told in extreme cold conditions the battery will also have a lot less charge capacity. There's always a temperature rating with batteries, and at either extreme of the operating range they are much less efficient.
@mynameissang
@mynameissang Месяц назад
​@@MMuraseofSandvichdownright nonfunctioning, in my experience. I used to work in a warehouse where we couldn't take our phones, so I would leave it in my car turned off. In the winter when temps got below freezing, when I got off work, I couldn't turn it back on until I warmed it up with the car heater.
@monad_tcp
@monad_tcp Месяц назад
unless you keep you A/C running forever to drop to 25c. >30c is unbearable
@LorneChrones
@LorneChrones Месяц назад
Lithium batteries have a narrower charging temperature range than operating (non-charging/discharging) range. For instance, a typical LiPo may only be recommended to charge between 5-45C (closer to room temp is still better because less heat related wear). Whereas typical LiPos are recommended to be discharged between -20C and +60C. So there's still some heat related wear on batteries discharging in a hotter climate but its not as bad as charging in a hotter climate.
@coder543
@coder543 Месяц назад
At <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="163">2:43</a>, the wired connection is represented by a dashed line, the wireless connection is represented by a solid line... an interesting subversion of expectations.
@DaMu24
@DaMu24 Месяц назад
Not sure what you mean
@coder543
@coder543 Месяц назад
@@DaMu24 wired charging should be the solid lines, like a charging cable is a solid line, and wireless charging should be the broken lines. Reading the chart with them reversed made it more confusing to my tired brain at the time.
@c4ldas
@c4ldas Месяц назад
@@coder543 I felt the same, and I needed to pause the video to invert the idea in my mind! :D
@simplig1272
@simplig1272 Месяц назад
​@@DaMu24 an universally accepted and logical thing, not only in technical drawings, but on maps, and in general illustration is that solid lines represent solid, visible objects or features. A dashed line represent invisible, imaginary or theoretical objects or features.
@ColinTedford
@ColinTedford Месяц назад
This bothered me so much! 😅
@cywestbrook7448
@cywestbrook7448 Месяц назад
Most phones have a feature to disable fast wireless charging which significantly decreases heat and also slows down battery charging overnight to about 3 hours which can actually help reduce wear
@viktorakhmedov3442
@viktorakhmedov3442 24 дня назад
or you can just... plug it in These aren't the directional MicroUSB days anymore
@jakefromstatefarm1405
@jakefromstatefarm1405 19 дней назад
That's what I do. I have my phone scheduled to disable fast charging everyday from 11pm - 6am. Working well so far
@Frankfurtdabezzzt
@Frankfurtdabezzzt 18 дней назад
My pixel also does that when charging wired
@cookiesaregreat
@cookiesaregreat Месяц назад
Appreciate you for sharing your conclusions at the *start* of the video, and making the video only as long as it needed to be to illustrate your conclusions (unlike most youtubers who intentionally breadcrumb the conclusions to force you to watch through their drawn out videos). Liked and subscribed!
@Phlegethon
@Phlegethon 21 день назад
I’ve gone back to wired
@varunaX
@varunaX 12 дней назад
Why? Cause of this video? I've been wirelessly charging my lg for 5 years now and the battery is just fine
@RainbowGin
@RainbowGin Месяц назад
I work in a phone store and always recommend wires over wireless charging. It's so much better
@1ssac1
@1ssac1 Месяц назад
hidden cost of cable is the repair of broken charging port. How many users will buy a new phone i/o paying hefty repair ?
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 Месяц назад
@@1ssac1 maybe I'm more careful with my stuff, but I've only had to replace a phone do to a bad charge port once, and that was Motorola Moto G3 that used crappy Micro B USB, and it really was not the port itself but a faulty charge controller chip that caused the port to get hot enough to start smoking.
@SnowyRVulpix
@SnowyRVulpix Месяц назад
Its more efficient but its not better. Imo the convenience makes wireless so much better
@ImMattFromAus
@ImMattFromAus Месяц назад
Yeah but I bet your boss wants you to sell more wireless chargers.
@AMabud-lv7hy
@AMabud-lv7hy Месяц назад
​@@1ssac1Oh right, US peeps spend an arm and a leg for something as rudimentary as a port repair
@almfreak
@almfreak Месяц назад
Great video! Thank you for sharing good info with tests and data to back it up! I appreciate the effort that you guys put into teaching things that benefit us users! Keep up the good fight!
@TechInspected
@TechInspected Месяц назад
Appreciate the testing. I was hoping there was more tests about how much batteries degrade with higher temperatures, but that would take a huge amount of work and data.
@3mekG
@3mekG 12 дней назад
I really love wireless charging for slow charge overnight - I even connected my charger to slow power adapter on purpose - to not allow it to fast charge. What i really like os that I don't have to plug in a cable, not only does it look nice, but also does not wear the USB-C port. So you just have to use it in a smart way.
@Chuzz1
@Chuzz1 Месяц назад
commenting to support these findings and data. love your work.
@judgemint5374
@judgemint5374 Месяц назад
Finally someone competent pointing out this waste. Thank you!!
@coldbrew6104
@coldbrew6104 7 дней назад
No
@FreddyHartanto
@FreddyHartanto Месяц назад
Finally someone say something about this, been feeling disturbed for a long time with people glorifying wireless charging over fast charging. Thanks iFixit for mentioning this!
@viStringTheory
@viStringTheory Месяц назад
I'm glad to see someone calling this out. I wish this were more widely known so people could make informed choices to not purchase or use wireless charging.
@angryakita3870
@angryakita3870 Месяц назад
Doesn’t everyone know this? Magnetic charging is convenient, not good.
@minipli
@minipli Месяц назад
very nice video, quick and compact from the start on
@purpinkn
@purpinkn Месяц назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="79">1:19</a> the cable is right there! you just added an extra step!
@CallMeRabbitzUSVI
@CallMeRabbitzUSVI 19 дней назад
Not if you built it into the desk
@dvdragon
@dvdragon Месяц назад
I had a feeling that was the case. Thanks for the testing.
@shanebarnes4622
@shanebarnes4622 Месяц назад
Thank you for this info! Keep it up!
@loucam08
@loucam08 5 дней назад
Never had a phone with wireless charging and never needed it. Seeing people mark down phones for not having it, especially budget phones, makes my eyes roll.
@TReKiE
@TReKiE Месяц назад
I like to use USB-C magnetic adapters as an alternative. You get the benefits of not having to be accurate with plugging in (plus you don't wear out the USB port), but retain the benefits of wired charging. Such functionality should really be added to the USB spec.
@kalafalas246
@kalafalas246 Месяц назад
MagSafe 3 on iPhones and iPads please! Such a better solution than the pad junk
@MMuraseofSandvich
@MMuraseofSandvich Месяц назад
Magnetic USB adapters are generally not recommended because they're not guaranteed to connect ground first, unlike every USB connector. And since they're not part of the spec, there's no way to verify that they're complying with USB-IF. Also, if there's a data connection in the adapter (required for PD), you could get some weird or damaging behavior if the connector is popped loose and reconnected. However, if it works for you for over a year, it's probably fine, most phones have pretty good protection circuitry. Maybe they'll come up with a type D (or M for magnetic?) connector that uses pogo pins and magnets? They'll cost more than type C, unfortunately...
@rolf-smit
@rolf-smit Месяц назад
​@@kalafalas246problem with MagSafe is that (again) it is proprietary. My MacBook came with one but I always take a USB-C cable with me instead, because I can use that cable for all my devices: Laptop, earbuds, phone, camera, power bank etc.
@gfyGoogle
@gfyGoogle Месяц назад
@@rolf-smitthe MagSafe demonstrated in this video helped drive the Qi2 spec. So now Androids and all other Qi devices can have MagSafe alignment too!
@NithinJune
@NithinJune Месяц назад
pogo pins just aren’t rated for that kind of current
@davidsanders890
@davidsanders890 Месяц назад
I have to say that I always thought that wireless charging was pretty worthless until I damaged my charging port out of warranty. I keep my phone for at least 3 years before upgrading and wireless charging has saved me from an early upgrade. With that being said I would still give it up in a heartbeat for a rear mounted fingerprint scanner.
@Boz1211111
@Boz1211111 Месяц назад
Why is that such a problem, i replaced charging port myself on my phone. Its not diy for anyone but any phone service should be able to do it
@winnieid2727
@winnieid2727 Месяц назад
same here.
@SirKrumpleOWrapper
@SirKrumpleOWrapper Месяц назад
​@@Boz1211111Yes I know but it's not cheap and for an old phone it probably isn't worth it
@hongkyang7107
@hongkyang7107 Месяц назад
​@@SirKrumpleOWrapperbruh, which service did you tap in? I replace my charging port for 20 dollar or less. At least way better with degraded battery, which I did that too and it is 200+. Aside what is with the notion of old phone repair isn't worth it? 5 years old or less phones is totally serviceable, while new phone cost upto 2k (5k if you count them shinny folded), nvm the environment, save your own wallet.
@soacespacestation8556
@soacespacestation8556 27 дней назад
@@hongkyang7107 USD? Not really.
@nebulous962
@nebulous962 Месяц назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="66">1:06</a> try it with budget phones. i have seen like 40-50c on cheaper phones.
@kouhaiii3182
@kouhaiii3182 Месяц назад
of course. and they did say that they were going for a best case scenario, hence the more expensive phone
@MinhThangDam
@MinhThangDam Месяц назад
Budget phone usually skips multiple PMCs to alternate the amount of power feeding to the battery base on its temp, that's why they tend to get significantly hotter esp at low battery
@quinton1661
@quinton1661 Месяц назад
I use wireless charging out of convenience since I'll need to plug and unplug frequently. I always place it under a small desk fan pointed at the phone. It keeps it nice and cool even after charging for over an hour - I imagine the battery temperature is kept a bit cooler from this. For overnight charging it's a 5 W charger to minimize heat. No need to charge from 20% to 80% in 30 minutes when it's going to be plugged in for 7 more hours anyway.
@Zatchillac
@Zatchillac Месяц назад
They make wireless chargers with fans built in. I have 3 of them and my phones never even get remotely warm when using them. I also have some without built in fans and phones DO get fairly warm on them
@buffuniballer
@buffuniballer Месяц назад
@@Zatchillac I was going to say the same. The ESR Magsafe certified chargers I use in our cars include a fan. Even with my Belkin chargers at home, I don't perceive my phones getting to 30C
@BlueBillionPoundBottleJobs
@BlueBillionPoundBottleJobs 2 дня назад
Wow, you need to point a fan at your phone to charge it at a slower speed with less efficiency, sounds real awesome
@quinton1661
@quinton1661 2 дня назад
@@BlueBillionPoundBottleJobs The reason for this is I charge while I'm frequently using the phone. I simply disconnect from the charge, do what I'm going to do, then put it back on to charge. Otherwise I would just plug it in.
@bjornroesbeke
@bjornroesbeke Месяц назад
It's all about compromises. The ease of being able to pick up the device and put it back to charge in a second is handy for example when you're doing many short trips in a car, and would rather not break the charge port. There's no point in choosing wireless over wired when the device is charging overnight.
@a1white
@a1white Месяц назад
How difficult is it to spend 10 secconds more plugging in a phone?
@bjornroesbeke
@bjornroesbeke Месяц назад
​@@a1white Nothing is difficult per sé, but forget disconnecting it once while exiting the car, and you can forget about using your usb port ever again. They break easily. A magnetic cable/connector combo is a good compromise, but in my experience, the two parts often stick to eachother a bit too well and i've lost many such connectors. Wireless charging was not the ideal, but still the better solution for me in that case.
@EnterTheSoundscape
@EnterTheSoundscape Месяц назад
@@a1whiteIt’s less wear and tear on the charging port. I’ve had 3 phones where the charging port broke, I don’t plan on that happening again.
@jr.sw23
@jr.sw23 Месяц назад
​@@a1whitequite difficult actually when you deliver for Amazon and have to get into and out of the van approx 130 times a day.
@batdroid2705
@batdroid2705 Месяц назад
After my daughter (11) damaged three phones by always forcing in charger, we promptly got her a wireless charger. No issues since
@HockeyPlayer323
@HockeyPlayer323 Месяц назад
Happy to see more people talking about this!
@Pumpkinwaffle
@Pumpkinwaffle Месяц назад
Brilliant! We definitely need more educating videos like those! People need to learn best practices to avoid environmental impact.
@Akuu820
@Akuu820 Месяц назад
I've been waiting for someone to make this video for years!
@the.bog.
@the.bog. Месяц назад
Just use a “slow” 5W wireless charger for overnight charging. It’s much better for your battery to slowly charge (after a deep cycle preferably) than a super fast charge on a wire or a powerful wireless charger
@slavb0i646
@slavb0i646 Месяц назад
Its alot nicer to go eat breakfast and come back to your phone already charged to 85% in the morning than it is to have it on over night, when it will charge in the first 3 hours anyway.
@berengerchristy6256
@berengerchristy6256 24 дня назад
If your phone is built to fast charge, fast charging does not wear out the battery. If it lacks sufficient battery management software or you are charging out of spec, then you will wear out your battery
@chriswilcox8977
@chriswilcox8977 Месяц назад
Having used a 5w Anker wireless charging pad for many years, it never manages to create enough power to make my iPhone get even barely warm 😂 Wired charging still seems to make the phone get noticeably warm, though I can’t decide if the slower wireless charging is overall better for the battery or not. Based on my son using my old 12 Pro Max which is still on mid 80’s for battery health, I’m inclined to think slow wireless charging is no concern beyond energy waste….possibly balanced by a phone which still has great battery health and life.
@ashrude1071
@ashrude1071 Месяц назад
I almost always use wired, however it is useful to have a MagSafe cable around for when water gets in the charging port
@supervoveriukas
@supervoveriukas Месяц назад
I’m using baseus magsafe stand to charge my iPhone. Yes it gets longer to charge but it doesn’t get that hot as charging by wire. In my opinion mag safe magnets are the best way to perfectly align your phone to wireless charger.
@Diogoafsimoes
@Diogoafsimoes Месяц назад
Loved the video. Would like to see how it compares with wireless charging stations that have fans
@mrmarr8308
@mrmarr8308 13 дней назад
Lol
@kylehazachode
@kylehazachode Месяц назад
Apple Magsafe kinda nailed it. Get the right magsafe stand and you really don't worry about charging. Even when I'm drunk I can wave my phone over my charging stand and it'll grab my phone outta my hand.
@CallMeRabbitzUSVI
@CallMeRabbitzUSVI 19 дней назад
This right here is one of the maky reasons for wireless charging
@mirage809
@mirage809 Месяц назад
Great to see some solid numbers on charging efficiency and thermals. I’ve heard claims about wireless charging degrading battery life for as long as I’ve seen wireless chargers. But I’ve never seen people get into details and produce numbers. Are the temperature tolerances on lithium ion batteries that low? 35 degrees Celsius is stuff I see often on holidays and are quite common in some parts.
@The.Jimmyboy
@The.Jimmyboy Месяц назад
I've charged my Sony Xperia 1 IV wirelessly for almost two years now without issue BUT that being said I've only charged at 5w max to keep temperatures down. If i charge at 15w the phone becomes quite toasty (battery temps close to 40C). Wired 30w charging pretty much never exceed 30C but wireless charging at 5w is only a degree or two above room temperature. It's nice to just drop the phone on a pad after work and if I need faster charging wired is always an option.
@mattbosley3531
@mattbosley3531 Месяц назад
I just like wireless charging because it's easy. I just set my phone down on the pad and it recharges. And I have CPU-Z on my phone to check the health and temperature of the battery. It doesn't get above 26 or 27 C.
@joshuauriarte452
@joshuauriarte452 Месяц назад
I have a Galaxy S22U and wireless charge with a 5W charger. The battery does not get anywhere near 30C. It's even recommended to use wireless charging at 5W at night when the phone is of. Your phone being off is what helps prevent it from getting hot, and battery degradation.
@theagentsmith
@theagentsmith Месяц назад
Makes sense. For overnight change 5W is adequate and the charging loss is a lot lower than at 15W fast wireless charge
@unliving_ball_of_gas
@unliving_ball_of_gas Месяц назад
Why not use a 5W wired charger. Benefits of slow charging + wired.
@NotCaptainToad
@NotCaptainToad Месяц назад
It's the slow 5W charge that is helping the battery, not the wireless charger. You would see arguably better battery longevity and a dollar per month come back on your electric bill by using a 5W wired cable instead.
@Kalvinjj
@Kalvinjj Месяц назад
@@NotCaptainToad Yes, but an USB port likely soldered to the motherboard (it's so on the S10, dunno the S22), that ain't getting any younger. In my case I went wireless slow charge as the lesser of the two evils. I would rather replace a battery sooner than a connector later, since I do intend to keep the phone for many years. Sure USB-C helps, but if there's also another option, may as well.
@joshuauriarte452
@joshuauriarte452 Месяц назад
@unliving_ball_of_gas there's benefits of both wireless charging and 5W. The benefits of wireless is you are allowing less damage to the USBC port. This reduces the risk of needing to replace the port. T
@thisaintart
@thisaintart Месяц назад
Side note: Thank you for all your videos, they’ve helped me pay the bills fixing people’s stuff for many many years now ❤
@crispyjokingtuna1495
@crispyjokingtuna1495 Месяц назад
Could you test the MagSafe duo? Specifically I’m interested in knowing what battery temps and energy efficiency are like when a phone and watch are dropped on it
@-aexc-
@-aexc- Месяц назад
i only ever use wireless charging overnight with a 5w outlet so im sure it charges very slow and doesnt let it get that hot
@humanlike6658
@humanlike6658 Месяц назад
They called it wireless but i can still see the wires
@anianii
@anianii Месяц назад
With that argument, WiFi isn't wireless either because there is an Ethernet cable going to the Access Point
@inconsistencyon
@inconsistencyon Месяц назад
except that with wifi, you could go anywhere in your house...?
@anianii
@anianii Месяц назад
@@inconsistencyon Sure, but the further you go, the more energy is wasted. You can also go sort of far with QI charging, it's just not enough energy to charge a phone anymore. WiFi needs a lot less energy to arrive than QI
@ikjadoon
@ikjadoon Месяц назад
@@anianii Wi-Fi is _practically_ wireless, though, as you can move 10+ meters and still get a reliable connection. "Wireless" charging is pure marketing; it should've been marketed as "tap charging" or "near field charging", e.g., you have a few millimeters before the connection is dead. See NFC / tap to pay /etc.
@anianii
@anianii Месяц назад
@@ikjadoon The connection is not "dead" after a few millimeters. It just turns itself off because it gets too inefficient to make sense. Which, by the way, is also what cell towers do. Your phone might actually be able to connect to a cell tower, but if its configuration says not to connect if the signal strength is lower than some value, your phone would show no signal instead. With QI, that threshold is simply much lower due to the high efficiency being necessary for charging to happen at a reasonable rate. If you're 500 meters away from a cell tower, you won't get the best connection either, but in that context it's good enough to work. But I have to agree that calling it wireless is mostly marketing. Inductive charging would be more clear.
@nikol596
@nikol596 2 дня назад
This may sound like something with hindsight. I felt increased battery degradation when using wireless charging pad after I got my iPhone 11 in 201. The battery degradation went crazy. I initially guessed Apple may somehow use batteries of lower quality for iPhone 11 series but I was not sure. Happy that IFixit has cleared it out.
@RenatoLaporte
@RenatoLaporte Месяц назад
I’ven been a big fan of magsafe charger. Been using almost exclusively on my 13 pro max since its launch and I do not see any extreme battery wear, even with the frequency I charge my phone due to how much i use it. Must add that i live in a pretty cold region, with summer with >25° temperatures only lasting for a couple of weeks. When its hot i definitely feel my phone getting toasty no matter how I charge it. One solution I used last year was to put the phone in a thin plastic container, add a thin layer of water and then connect the magsafe under the container.
@Donnner93
@Donnner93 Месяц назад
I always use wireless charging when charging my phone during the night, it's waaay to convenient not to, and cable if I need to top it up during the day - Could be worth pointing out the wear and tear on the USB-port by constant having to plug it in, one of the reasons I prefer wireless charging for my phones, an S23 Ultra as of now.
@TheVision2
@TheVision2 Месяц назад
We really live in a world where spending 5 seconds to plug a cable in is not convenient. Good lord
@BlownMacTruck
@BlownMacTruck Месяц назад
@@TheVision2It’s fine. He pays for his complete laziness by shortening his battery life.
@obayrafi2632
@obayrafi2632 Месяц назад
wireless charging is like freezing some water , then bringing that forzen ice above your head , heat it using a lighter , and then drinking the melted waterdrops. i honestly never understood the point behind wireless chargers.
@CallMeRabbitzUSVI
@CallMeRabbitzUSVI 19 дней назад
You really dont understand why someone would use a wireless charger instead of plugging it in? Convenience, design, and overall tidiness.
@SonnyDarvishzadeh
@SonnyDarvishzadeh 5 дней назад
This explains why my magnetic Anker warmed up my iPhone that I didn't like, but it still was better than the 5 euro Hama without magnet that actually makes the phone hot to touch.
@JanixosX3
@JanixosX3 27 дней назад
Awesome video :D I am wondering and often thinking about if it is true that chargers communicate via the cable with the attached devices. Like "Hey device XY, I can charge you with 30 Watt, N Ampere and K Volt. What do you accept? Do you also happen to be an Apple-Device?" or that there are mechanisms that ensure a safe charging, like protection against overheating or pumping out a to high / low current. Do you maybe already have a video about this topic?
@NathanTheZealot
@NathanTheZealot Месяц назад
Something that should be mentioned in defense of wireless charging is that wireless charging prevents wear and tear on the charging port; which (unfortunately) for many phone models is not as easily replaced as the battery, if it's even replaceable at all. I've had to replace several otherwise working phones in my life due to the charging port being worn out to the point it would not consistently charge.
@woodalexander
@woodalexander Месяц назад
Exactly. This is why I use a slow wireless charger, limit my battery charge to 85% with the Samsung setting, and use a Wi-Fi Android Auto dongle. I've reduced by total plug/unplug cycles by around 95%.
@dontquestionjustbelieve5757
@dontquestionjustbelieve5757 Месяц назад
69% battery on the first phone shown, nice
@ChetHanks-eh1md
@ChetHanks-eh1md Месяц назад
.....nice.
@danielbinoy
@danielbinoy Месяц назад
Nice
@marcel2258
@marcel2258 Месяц назад
Nice
@seandonovan9000
@seandonovan9000 Месяц назад
Nice
@eddyb2001
@eddyb2001 21 день назад
Very informative, and that's why I found a MagSafe charger with an integrated fan and to keep the phone cooler during charging, before I saw this video. and it's definitely important to know about misalignment, meaning I see large charging pads all over the place these days and now I don't use it.
@sandeep_raman
@sandeep_raman 25 дней назад
Thanks for sharing this info.
@ricardocruz4235
@ricardocruz4235 Месяц назад
I never understood the point of "wireless" charging. You still have a wire that goes all the way to the phone PLUS a big puck underneath it PLUS it's less efficient PLUS before mag-safe you couldn't use your phone while charging it wirelessly since it had to be on the pad. The only time I've ever used wireless charging was when I wrecked the ports on some older phones--it's great to have as a second option, but not as a first.
@Jallerblue
@Jallerblue Месяц назад
I think this is an example where the inefficiencies and battery degradation are absolutely worth it. Especially if you use Magsafe or Qi2 chargers, and actively cooled ones when possible. The convenience of Magsafe/Qi2 especially is incredible for phone mounts on desks and in cars to keep you topped up throughout the day and keep your phone easily accessible. Also, every phone I've ever used has had charging issues eventually before wireless charging (even my first USB-C phone). With my last phone, I used wireless charging almost exclusively and saved my USB-C port from the same fate. Videos like this are great to inform consumers about these trade-offs and what to look for to avoid the worst cases, but I definitely think this video is a bit overly critical of the technology.
@PrimeIsCrime
@PrimeIsCrime 24 дня назад
I thought I was tripping when I used Wireless Charger and my phone got really really really hot. Now it makes sense. Glad I stopped using those years ago.
@MODEST500
@MODEST500 Месяц назад
wanted to know how it works and found a video explanation of just that an hour later. eggcellent
@SignalStealer
@SignalStealer Месяц назад
Finally someone speaks about this, thank you! I am not using wireless charging exactly for these reasons for a few years already. When I tried it, I did not find it any more convenient than plugging the phone in.
@theagentsmith
@theagentsmith Месяц назад
Yeah it shouldn't be your primary charging method, however keep in mind it allows you to keep using the phone when its wired port is worn out. Additionally in some parks and in restaurants there are some wireless chargers which are super convenient.
@radikk7874
@radikk7874 Месяц назад
I use a wireless charging stand for iPhone and apple watch. They are always on it. I never have to bother about checking battery and charging before going out. When I take my phone, it’s always full. The same goes for the watch. I will change my phone faster than the battery dying.
@thefilmdirector1
@thefilmdirector1 26 дней назад
same, and mines vertical, and my phone never gets hot or even warm when on it. Been using it for well over a year and no battery degradation issues, though to be fair i barely use my phone so it just sits there on the pad 24/7 in "idle" mode (charger light turns red showing its fully charged but keeps it trickle topped up while the phone sleeps)
@HSNG10
@HSNG10 Месяц назад
Sony Xperia 3 actually had a magnetic interface on its side that allowed for the convenience of "wireless" charging with the advantage of actual electric contact that avoided the loss of wireless charging. If only we can establish a standard interface using this concept for phones.
@cuttingcoffee
@cuttingcoffee Месяц назад
thanks for this video. I was looking for wireless one but after this I'll stick to wired ones.
@ronlevin2339
@ronlevin2339 Месяц назад
this is why I do not care if phone have a wireless coil, I never used it anyway
@TheVision2
@TheVision2 Месяц назад
Yet for some reason, it was a deal breaker for people trying to buy phones like the OnePlus open from last year. I argued for days and they didn't see reason
@a1white
@a1white Месяц назад
I’m not using the wireless coil in mine again now!
@oneunderall
@oneunderall Месяц назад
@<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="165">2:45</a> use large bold font for your labels and axis numbering, even at 2160p we have to squint to see this.
@notmyname42
@notmyname42 27 дней назад
Is a lower Wattage wireless charger better for an overnight charge? I usually leave it there when sleeping. On my S23U, it takes around 3h30 to charge from 20% to 100%, but I never notice it getting hot. It's an IKEA charging pad, where the other end is a USB A connector.
@vladislavkaras491
@vladislavkaras491 18 дней назад
Huh... I did not know the overheating is such an issue! Thanks!
@BigGroupHug
@BigGroupHug Месяц назад
Dang that's HOT
@KofieBluejay
@KofieBluejay Месяц назад
Thank you iFixit! Just a small geeky fix: it’s degree Celsius, not centigrade. This is not the same scale and I think you are using Celsius thermometers.
@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360
@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 Месяц назад
It looks like "centigrade" is just outdated name for "Celsius".
@KofieBluejay
@KofieBluejay Месяц назад
@@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 We could think so but this is not the same scale. It’s close, but not the same.
@feynstein1004
@feynstein1004 Месяц назад
@@KofieBluejay I've never heard that before. How exactly are they different?
@bradhaines3142
@bradhaines3142 Месяц назад
@@KofieBluejay there are only 3 measures of temperature, farenheit, celsius, and kelvin. anything else is a word for one of those
@KofieBluejay
@KofieBluejay Месяц назад
@@feynstein1004 They are different by around 0.025 degrees at 100 centigrade. In celsius, that would be 99,985 celsius (rounded). Sure it's very much minimal, but it is, by definition, not the same scale and the ISO norm is the celsius scale, not the centigrade.
@EpicATrain
@EpicATrain Месяц назад
Question about your 65W USB-C GaN iFixit Fast Charger. Does it ONLY have one output? How can I charge multiple devices at once using this?
@raphaelarctic
@raphaelarctic Месяц назад
I have few charging cables which have a separate tip connected by magnets. The tip stays in my device and when it needs charging, snapping it to the cable is easy and fast. I use them on devices that need charging daily and i dont want to wear out their port. Do these magnetic charging cables have any downside as opposed to normal cables?
@aeelinnannelie5651
@aeelinnannelie5651 Месяц назад
And still Apple is heavily pushing for wireless charging while saying they removed the changer brick because they are a 'green' company
@chethanforyou
@chethanforyou Месяц назад
Yea always bugged me and they made this announcement at the same time
@billkormas3460
@billkormas3460 Месяц назад
To be fair, at this point almost everyone has at least one phone charger lying around in the house. So you can just reuse that with your new phone . It is in fact better for the environment to not have to produce new chargers for every new phone
@collectorguy3919
@collectorguy3919 Месяц назад
A wireless charger needs a small fan to keep the phone from overheating.
@MMuraseofSandvich
@MMuraseofSandvich Месяц назад
Good luck convincing a product designer to add a noisy fan to his sleek flat wireless charger...
@AlexTheStampede
@AlexTheStampede Месяц назад
Honestly I’m confused by the lack of phone coolers with wireless charging. Seems a good combo, lowering temperatures while charging…
@JustARegularNerd
@JustARegularNerd Месяц назад
Having a fan would use even more power though, further decreasing the efficiency
@h4tch3tt74
@h4tch3tt74 Месяц назад
​​@@AlexTheStampede Newer wired charging adapters are using better materials to mitigate heat generation. Also having a dual cell battery helps as it allows for parallel charging which reduces battery wear and increases charging speed slightly
@collectorguy3919
@collectorguy3919 Месяц назад
@@JustARegularNerd Yes, but at least the battery's life will not be shortened.
@FAT8893
@FAT8893 Месяц назад
Now that we see crazy fast wired charging, it makes me question why there are people who see smartphones without wireless charging as a "deal breaker". I easily take super fast wired charging over wireless charging all day.
@renofumi28
@renofumi28 Месяц назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="79">1:19</a> That's why the recommended power for wireless charging is at 5 watt, leave them charging wirelessly during your bed time.
@FakeMichau
@FakeMichau 25 дней назад
Charging overnight is bad in itself
@renofumi28
@renofumi28 25 дней назад
@@FakeMichau not in modern phones except you're still in that one with micro usb or very thick chin and forehead
@alcion8423
@alcion8423 19 дней назад
You mean the best way to improve efficiency is by not being lazy?
@MinhThangDam
@MinhThangDam Месяц назад
To be fair, the wireless charging pads on this video is on the budget side. More expensive and even prorpietary solution like Oppo's Airvooc wireless charging pad has dual coil for maximum efficiency and an active cooling fan working in tandem with the phone's pmcs to control the temps. Even then it's still much more inefficient compare to just plug a cable in. Which is why super fast charging through cable is superior, and a modular charge port design should be made a requirement by law
@kalafalas246
@kalafalas246 Месяц назад
MagSafe is not a budget charger
@Fulgrim2
@Fulgrim2 19 дней назад
I like wires myself but the option is interesting to me.
@electrified0
@electrified0 14 дней назад
It's worth mentioning the one advantage of wireless charging - a lack of an opening or port that can become damaged or broken from prolonged use or exposure to foreign material. Though I still only bother with using it as a backup because it's so slow. I tapped directly into the USB-C port for my car's built in wireless charger and it went from a 4 hour trickle charge to a 40 minute rapid charge.
@Pwnopolis
@Pwnopolis 6 дней назад
Did you have a stroke?
@PS1212
@PS1212 Месяц назад
Prevents loss of cables from damage, screw the energy losses.
@ninjanerdstudent6937
@ninjanerdstudent6937 Месяц назад
Can we stop calling it wireless charging and just call it induction charging? When real wireless charging arrives, what will that be called?
@mizatt
@mizatt Месяц назад
Long range wireless charging
@De4dSp0t
@De4dSp0t Месяц назад
ULTRA PRO WIRELESS SUPER CHARGING 3.0 Obviously.
@jackwilson5542
@jackwilson5542 8 дней назад
"True wireless charging"
@cameronf3343
@cameronf3343 18 дней назад
I used wireless charging twice when I got an iPhone 12 several years ago. Haven’t touched it since. I already was aware of the lower efficiency and power loss from charging over a distance in general but was extremely unimpressed at how hot my phone became compared to how long it took to charge. And on top of that you scale it across several billion units, it uses a lot more of the precious copper to do the same exact thing but worse.
@MLCHRL
@MLCHRL Месяц назад
It's all about heat management. I've switched back to a low-wattage charger for overnight use and I'm utilizing the 80% charge option, since I can essentially charge my phone throughout the day at work. Occasionally, I switch to auto mode if I'm on a hiking trip or engaged in similar activities. My 14 Pro Max still retains 100% battery health. I'm somehow addicted to hold my batterylife at a constant level. It feels like an achivement :D
@asamson23
@asamson23 Месяц назад
Ever since I switched to using iPhones, I really enjoy the convenience of plopping down my phone on my magsafe compatible wireless chargers. I don't mind the slower charging time as I put it there for the night. However, if I need the charge to be done faster, I will most certainly plug my phone into a faster wired charger.
@zadyeDK
@zadyeDK Месяц назад
i know Wireless is worse than wired, but it is so much more convenient to park the phone without thinking about cables (beside the one in the charger)
@MegaLokopo
@MegaLokopo День назад
They should just use the magnets to align metal contacts like they used to.
@chibinyra
@chibinyra 20 дней назад
Nice, though more info in video on why the battery gets so hot would be nice. If I remember it is mostly because the battery is right on top of the receiver coil that is getting hot (inefficient) than the battery somehow heating itself by lower/inconsistent amperage, and -- at least the battery heating -- could be mitigated with in creased distance from battery to coil... of course, not much space in a phone, and long cables to heavy batteries segregated to one end of the car is a new set of challenges.
@BobCollins42
@BobCollins42 Месяц назад
You completely ignored a big reason for wireless charging: avoiding having the wired connectors wear out. The energy waste is not likely to be more significant than the physical waste of broken phones, repaired or not.
@simpson6700
@simpson6700 Месяц назад
just how often do people plug and unplug their phone? i had a cheap 100€ samsung phone with a micro usb port that didn't wear out in 4 years, so i really don't think that's an issue, with usb c being a more robust connector than micro.
@BobCollins42
@BobCollins42 Месяц назад
@@simpson6700 I plug and unplug multiple times every day.
@soacespacestation8556
@soacespacestation8556 27 дней назад
@@BobCollins42 My mom did that too for 6 years, and the C port is still going strong.
@MalfosRanger
@MalfosRanger 8 дней назад
This comment section is the first time I’ve heard charging ports going bad was a thing. I’ve never had a phone or tablet stop charging for that reason. I’m more worried about the battery degrading than the charging port breaking.
@ballenf
@ballenf Месяц назад
The energy wasted over a lifetime of wireless charging is still less that used in a single car ride. Perspective is important here.
@a1white
@a1white Месяц назад
It’s not wasted though is it, that’s the point. All energy has to be converting into another form in this case heat which is degrading your battery a lot quicker
@mastercng
@mastercng 6 дней назад
​@@a1whitecars are wildly inefficient.
@MegaLokopo
@MegaLokopo День назад
Just build a fan into your wireless charger like OnePlus does. The battery degradation and temperature increases is negligible.
@anonimushbosh
@anonimushbosh 13 дней назад
What about the magnetic usb connections where you leave a discreet plug in the phone socket and connect when necessary to a charging cable using its own magnetic connector? Obviously that’s not wireless in the same sense but as it’s accessing the battery via the phone’s usb socket is it more likely to help preserve the phone’s longevity?
@inothome
@inothome Месяц назад
As long as people still "mine"crypto and waste massive amounts of power for nothing, I'll keep using my less efficient wireless charger. The 40C temp is not that bad actually, I was expecting more. That's not much more than human body temp and I live where it is normally 35C and above anyway. The "increased" temp is a moot point and have to disagree with the warning about it here.
@magicmanchloe
@magicmanchloe 10 дней назад
Having a redundant method of charging if you’re charging port goes bad is not a bad thing.
@ericdavidson9974
@ericdavidson9974 20 дней назад
I really only use wireless charging for two things. I have a MagSafe charging phone mount in my car with a built in cooling fan for driving. I also have a wireless charging pad beside my bed so I can charge my phone at night, but that’s connected to a 5 watt power supply for low-speed charging.
@zxcytdfxy256
@zxcytdfxy256 Месяц назад
This is the effect of normies
@GrandPotatoe
@GrandPotatoe Месяц назад
*Coughs in Taylor Swift's jet usage.*
@LeMassiveNoob
@LeMassiveNoob 10 дней назад
Thank you so much for making this video. I have been arguing for yeas about how bad wireless charging is from an efficiency and battery perspective. It's slower than wired when you need speed, it's less efficient when you wanna save energy, and it will degrade your battery faster. Yet people still see is as an essential feature, for some reason...
@MMuraseofSandvich
@MMuraseofSandvich Месяц назад
I remember a precursor of the now-ubiquitous Qi charger, the Palm Pre "keystone" (?). My very first foray into modern electronics hacking was modding a Galaxy Nexus to connect the 5 volts from the charging coil removed from a spare Palm Pre back cover to the back of the pogo pins intended for docks. It worked, but boy was that thing toasty, and it probably wasn't good for the battery module to be squished a little bit more with a coil right next to it. Thankfully it never blew up like the old Galaxy Note did. Every time I've tried a "new innovation" for wireless charging, it always heated up the phone and its battery. It was especially bad when you tried using a wireless pad in a car during navigation, most of the time it would stop charging because of overheating, especially with newer Android releases that monitor temperature. So I stick to BigClive's recommendation: USB, 5 volts, low current. Use PD only if you have to get your phone charged NOW. Oh, and NEVER wireless charge overnight. You'd think a trickle charge overnight would be OK, but not when the battery is heated up.
@electrified0
@electrified0 14 дней назад
Regarding power loss, whether you use a case, the material, and how thick it is will all further contribute to slower charging and a hotter phone. Most tests remove the case to eliminate it as a variable so your results will likely be a lot worse.
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