How Would the World React to a US Civil War? 

Rick is amazingly based sometimes.

I do remember. Love Rick and Morty.

Excellent point.

Hilarious and most likely true!

The Chinese bought it cheap, lock-stock&barrel. I'm always shocked at how many billions a $1m political donation returns, our politicians come dirt cheap!

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Seeing how they are Opium warring us and our allies I'd say they are doing a mighty fine job. Fentanyl and massive population subversive. Yeah I think China is doing quite a good job flipping the playbook on the US and the UK.

China, Russia and such are not the problem. The problems within the USA & westernized nations are inwardly. Some people gain power or authority and refuse to give it up.

When you were in elementary school, they were "playing the long game" extremely poorly. They were starving themselves. They didn't start to reverse their losses until the 80s.

Even now they are tied inextricably to exporting goods to the US. This makes them a wild card, not a long game player. The long game belongs to Russia and Iran who are not beholden in these matters.

Freedom was dead then too, don't let people fool you. Unless you were a land owning, white man who was over the age of 25 and in some states a Protestant Christian, you couldn't even vote, let alone enjoy the many liberties we do today. Today, we are enduring complete corruption of every aspect of government and the curtailing of our individual liberties is the tool that corruption uses to maintain control. Back then, refusing freedom was the goal, not just the tool for achieving other goals.

The tree of liberty is a thirsty bitch. Freedom is dying I’ll give you that but it will always remain. Even if it’s just deep in the souls of man given enough time it will always reemerge

Amen it’s time to take a stand

The American dream is already gone. It ended in 1913

​@HermitagePrepper sadly, I agree. Traded our freedom for security for to long and lost what this country was ment to be.

I lived in Michigan for a few years in the 90s (Oscoda) so I know the wages and housing prices are significantly lower there, but if you think taxes and gas are high, look at where I live (Seattle area) We pay on average almost a dollar more per gallon of regular gas. Depending on what city you're in is what your sales tax is, but we pay an avg of 10+% in sales tax here. We don't have a milage tax, they just add it to our gas prices, or by adding toll booths. You guys still outshine everyone in car insurance, though. I remember being shocked when I moved back to WA State and my car insurance went down!

Youre better off leaving

As far as running for office, I could probably help you find people to teach you that. Don't know whether they'd be near you or not. I ran for state legislature myself in 2022 for district 77. It was a steep learning curve, but i enjoyed it. I had a lot of people who helped me. They could probably help you, too.

Move. The sooner we self sort, the sooner we can split.

Michigan's governor is the worst

Enslaved by Africans?

Good response. I agree sadly.

Not only your adversaries but your own gov is allowing it

Nailed it.

Can we get back to the original question.?

We are already engaged in a civil war. What I’ve commented is the actions have other countries have taken on us to date. The rest is our internal civil war that’s hinged on the “Originalism interpretation” of our constitution.

You are correct. It’s working well so far. I remember back in the 1970’s everyone joked about how the southern border would never be invaded because of Texans and Americans with guns. I guess it was a joke because the government has crippled Americans citizens by orchestrating an illegal alien invasion. Americans are starving and losing houses all the while the corrupt commie government pays for criminals to have health care housing and universal income. THE UNITED STATES HAS FALLEN.

I expect China to bump up disinformation campaigns and surreptitiously provide aid to losing factions in order to ramp up and sustain infighting. Simultaneously they would engage in public hand wringing and offer assistance to our neighbors. Likely they would take Taiwan and other neighbors while we are distracted. Russia would intensify their land grabs while Europe criticizes us and provides nominal resistance to Russia. Good chance Europe would turn to China for assistance! Every economy around the globe would collapse, as would USD. At current point I think Tehran would consider attacking Israel, but rest of Arabic countries would not. Meanwhile, as their position becomes more precarious and with less concern for American and European views - Israel might feel forced to worry less about civilians and more about their soldiers - with potential for FAR more deaths in Gaza.

If they tried, they would still be fighting pockets of resistance throughout the US. Think Red Dawn.

Turn on 1.5x and watch when you have time. It's worth it.

I press x for doubt on this. China is too far, it would be too costly, and probably not worth the trouble.

If you think otherwise? Imagine for one moment that Trump loses the election in 2024 with accusations of outright fraud and martial law declared?

There has been no resistance other than silly ineffective nonsense.

Ya, most poeple don't have one critical thinking cell in their brain.

I run into the same thing. I try to tell them that a civil war on our turf is the last thing they would want. I try to explain the same thing to them as you have. I let them know that this isn't 1861, if we go too war with ourselves, it is game over for America as we know it.

Ask them if toilet paper became rare because of a bad cold, how many supplies they think will be in their local stores as the country is literally self-destructing.

⁠@@parttime9260 It was game over for America as the antebellum people (north and south) knew it too, it can be argued that the post civil war consensus was the beginnings of the mess we have today. Civil wars are always unbelievably costly, America isn’t unique in that area

i guess

We had analysts talking about how we promised Ukraine would not try to join native because they don't want missiles on their fucking doorstep and we violated that long before they ever went to war. It was well known long before it happened then if we put missiles in Ukraine there would be war

Amen.

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Ah yes the defensive invasion.

probably sooner.

@@ADobbin1 I'd say: Probably not. Canada's economy was screwed over the last Trudeau - similar reasons as the current one: Government interference in the economy, inflationary monetary policies, growth of social programs that we lacked government revenue to fund... By the time Harper took office in the early 2000's, Canada's economy was on growth trajectory, balanced the government budget, slashed the spending, and largely had fixed inflation issues. Canada can do this again. And odds are, we can largely turn things around within ~5 years. The US issues are far longer, and deeper. If things collapse tomorrow - the US economic engine is very dependent on foreign manufacturing capability. Canada on the other hand, has a huge resource extraction aspect, that - while time consuming. What this generally means is, Canada has an avenue to re-correct and crawl back, without ever defaulting. The US Economic situation with it's huge trade deficit, dependency on the Petrol-Dollar agreement, and things are going south for that, and has been since ~2000? It's a big part of why the US invaded Iraq, and not just went to blow up the Taliban and walk away. In another way to put it: The higher you climb, the farther you have to fall - and Canada has a lot of flexible room to fix itself. And whatever the next government will be - probably CPC - has a lot of general will of the populace to do some pretty drastic moves to fix the state of Canada.

​@@formes2388 From what I've seen Canada has the issues pretty much that America has just worse

I've heard periferal info that Canada already has active Chinese units organized on their soil-- most likely for the same reason they are present on our soil

The 14th colony will most likely be along for the ride on all sides.

The electical grid is entirly connected so maybe the US can resort to going to court instead.

@@waitwhat....2473 if we're assuming things are so bad that Americans are taking up arms, I don't think that will work.

​@@waitwhat....2473that is certainly a preferred outcome

​@@waitwhat....2473 I don't need electricity to survive. Screw the cities. ☝️✝️🔥

@@waitwhat....2473except Texas and possibly a few other states which aren’t connected and have their own

Hawaii relies on Federal dollars to keep the lights on (and Democrats are all about quid pro quo), coupled with blue state pension retirees and welfare dependants. It would be stranger if they didn't vote and govern dark blue.

The Hawaiian islands would face starvation within two weeks. The aboriginal people would likely survive in the long run. All others would starve to death.

It would be invaded and made a Chinese state! Even with 2A rights they won’t last long?!

So how did Hawaii survive before the US occupied the country??

@@effu9375 Mostly agriculture and fishing. The Hawaiians had one of the most productive agricultural systems ever and before regulations they produced waaaay more than they needed. It does however require that the land be divided up into pie shaped districts so they could utilize all the resources from the mountain to the ocean. Lahaina was actually known as the venice of the pacific because it had so many streams but today, after all the regulations and large company takeovers that deverted all their water is a windy dusty dried out husk. Our state motto is "Ua mau ka`ea ika Aina ika Pono" "The life of the land is perpetuated in rightousness". Oh how right they were. People stopped caring for the land and so it's dying. Also, the hawaiian royalty was very well educated, even among royalty, and were good at international relations.

You dont get it. They teamed up. There people are here allready. Over 30 million people have walked across our border. Study gorrila warfare asap. We have months.

THANKS, now that is stuck in my head! LOL

Why do you think they have been replacing service members with "new Americans"

My hope is in the armed citizens. There are so many trained in the military who have left or retired. Who are young and able. But I know who owns this world. I will trust him.

@@bobSeigar Yes thats how America was formed. Immigration.

@@dragerdet False Equivalency. Failed fallacy. Found the Non-American. The Military has NEVER been staffed by New Citizens.

When I think about, I'd say 35-40% would turn, 40-50% would stay out of it/abandon, 15-20% would stay with government. Combat arms guys, though, overwhelmingly dislike the government and probably something like 70-80% would turn with 10-15% staying out. Lot of enlisted are similar, too. Officers are probably more like 30+/30+/30+.

Nukes would have a serious damping effect on foreign interference.

​​@@BigTomInTheBasementThe Chinese probably already have our nukes "ready to be disabled," and we don't even realize it. They've been on our soil for some time, and they likely haven't been just "sitting around and waiting"

​@BigTomInTheBasement but who wants to use nukes nowadays. It'd be a bigger cost in rebuilding and infrastructure if you use nukes along side evening out the entire land.

Same. I consider them illegitimate for their massive violations of the US Constitution.

I believe that a return to original federalism is in order. Make the State greater than the Fed.

@@Benjanuva The federal government is about 70% bloat but based on the way property taxes have spiked, states (counties) are giving them a serious run for the money. One thing about states is they don't (hopefully) continually operate in the red. Imagine the huge party you could throw using other people's credit cards.

@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 I suppose my view is heavily influenced by my own state. Utah is very well suited to federalism and maintaining my values. We are strong financially and socially, so I think we would probably fare well. I can't say the same for other states, however.

The FED is the main thing keeping the US intact. Greedy states must want the benefits at no cost.

We already know which side that is.

So the side they aready have Puppet wires in?

Side?

​@@kbschreiber1 Yeah. The side that isn't gonna start a nuclear exchange with them over Uighurs and gay marriage in Taipei. Lol I say if they cancel our debt and blockage Hawaii & California, we let them have Guam and American Samoa in exchange. 🇺🇲🤝🇨🇳

@@waitwhat....2473side- the Democrat communists of course

Thank you! We have a good time doing it!

I did buy the chair that you all are using and I really enjoy it.

Yep, but it's _splinter_ groups, and punctuation is free.

People outside of the West Coast do not know how ‘red’ most the states are.

@@CorsairTrainers I agree, this is a good learning tool for them.

@@CorsairTrainers- yep. East of the Cascades these are different states… sparsely populated but heavy red. California as well.. the coast is blue..the rest of the state is deep red

@@PaulStewart-jr3gm even along the coast here in California there are red areas.

@@CorsairTrainers - yes, I’m generalizing (36 years in California, so I understand).

Why would we? If anything the government would close the border and stay out of it. We are economically different than the US in massive ways. And the US is the source of at least 50% of our economic and social problems. The most we would do is accept refugees and send humanitarian aid.

@@avroarchitect1793 The US is the source of 80% of our prosperity. I think the same divisions exists in Canada as in the US. We have the authoritarians concentrated in Toronto vs. Pro-democrasy concentrated in the west. Toronto, Vancouver, etc. will back the communists in America. Alberta, Saskatchewan etc. will side with the forces of democracy.

@@the_Kurgan Brain drain to the US and "Progressive" Brainrot are imported from the US. It doesn't matter how much we make economically by selling our resources if we just end up dying from the mind-virus and Brain Drain. Not to mention the culture we keep importing killing our own. Throwing away our pride and history. How many know about Wolfe or Sir Isacc Brock? Its also not democracy the Western Provinces are pushing but are just copying the US culture.

​@the_Kurgan I think you meant to say that Canadian conservatives (as in classical liberals) would support a representative republic. The term "democracy" has been severely perverted. It is not a good thing if it isn't limited by specific and iron-clad limits (inalienable rights). A pure democracy is two lions and a gazelle voting on what to have for lunch. It automatically and immediately becomes a dystopian populist nightmare. Socialism always turns to shit as well, but it takes much longer. Your country is a prime example of that (although we are not far behind our northern neighbors...)

@avroaechitect1793 close the border? That would hardly accomplish anything. Mamy Americans would want to leave the US to avoid the Civil War, and even if just 1 percent went to the canada border, that's 3 and a half million people fleeing. The border crossings may be closed, but the people would flood in. There would be no stopping it.

It's also exactly the type of stuff which people who have seen war wish to prevent more than anything.

Take your complaints to court instead.

Thank you! We tried!

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Yeah, good luck with that.

During the Civil War, the US Navy was tasked with defending the country from European invasion. Interestingly enough there were elements of the Russian navy alongside us.

@@BabyGirlDontEvenPlaythat’s because of the politician Cassius clay. He was the ambassador to Russia and convince them to deter other countries from supporting the south

There is no "the world" controlling the bunches arsenals, but just a bunch of incompetent psychopaths.

​@@BabyGirlDontEvenPlayThe Russians were standing by in case Britain entered the war.

I agree. If it really came to team red vs team blue, it’s the rural areas vs the cities. A few strategic infrastructure attacks on the cities, and team blue couldn’t be bothered to fight a war when they’re tearing themselves apart in the city due to starvation or lack of water, bridges down, blocking ports, no power… the coastal cities would need immediate outside aid and landlocked cities would be in too much turmoil and offer no resources that team red would need. Many of the “Blue States” would turn red REAL quick because the reality is, team blue is spread thin by vast expanses of red between them. Team Red’s main issue in a conflict is the majority of its support would have moral dilemmas with the collateral damage through necessary action that stand between its idea of restoring the constitution and largely libertarian ideals and actually getting there. Most of the population just doesn’t have the stomach for a drawn out conflict, and our military that has been able to stomach it, has done so under false/highly uninformed pretenses combined with “you will be thrown in a cage if you don’t do this” AND highly compartmentalized knowledge of the the actual ends that can only be reached the tasks that are performed by the people doing the work.

We acknowledge that there is a major urban/rural divide that makes it difficult to determine how fighting might play out...one of teh criteria we tried to use to allow for a robust conversation was the idea of significant geographical self sorting before conflict really gets hot,.

@Nickjfreitas That's a great point. I may have missed that part while I was listening to your discussion. Either way, theory-crafting in your podcast is top notch, and I'm glad to be part of the discourse.

Good Point 👍👍

No, nuclear fallout is overstated. Nobody wants to assume/boast about nuclear war being "not so bad" but many of the 50-60s era assumptions like nuclear winters, 100 year half-life radioactivity, poisonous air, etc isn't likely to happen. People can invade and take portions of land. It's just not logistically favorable for nations that can do so, especially if they get hit back by another power.

Nukes aren't used unless it's last resort. If you use nukes infrastructures will be damaged as well as uneven ground. So if too much infrastructure is destroy, people and machinery will cost so much to rebuild and fix the land again

It's almost like they've rounded themselves up for us.

What would that lead too would the reds drive the cities or just pin them in like sheep?

Agree.

Again...we acknowledge urban/rural divide.

I’m from Maryland and us conservatives definitely exist. The counties closer to Baltimore and DC dominate our state politics

No, you don't understand the situation at all.

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She likes making things go boom

It'll be in the next episode!

Sometimes, especially in family, you have to lay the heart down. When little siblings get uppity they need to remember the pecking order.

That would be a different episode, but definitely an interesting topic.

civil war would happen if congress called forth the militia

The Militia would then be under the lawful orders of the president, or governor if called up by state congress.

@@rbaconator And what if said president is the reason to call forth the Militia? And the governors are in collaboration?

@@pamelarose1834 Constitution unclear, please see Declaration of Independence. Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

They would be divided, but most will follow orders.

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