Well everyone, we are officially only 1 DAY away from The Last Jedi!! Just as a bit of a heads up, I will be posting a review and reaction video for the film hopefully tomorrow night but early Friday morning at the latest. From there, I am going to be posting A LOT of Episode 8-related material with a live Hangout to take place here on the channel on Sunday at 12PM EST. More on all that to come, but I very much hope you all enjoy your Episode 8 experience and I can’t wait to hear what everyone thought about the film. Enjoy today’s video everyone!
Can't wait to hear what you thought IO! And I know what you mean. I have been dodging spoilers for the past few days myself. Only a few days left and then the flood gates can open. :)
Not to mention, he would've seen how brutal and evil Palpatine was first hand, which might have ruined his manipulation of him. IE: He would've seen the Hedi try to take him into custody without violence, and Sidious attack.
CrazyGamer19851 no he didn't he just peeped Anakin path, while everybody was suspicious but let they guard down he did the strategic thing for the whole and stayed objective. Mace wasn't the only one he killed in that room so Anakin thought little of them too or he was already sith pressure bust pipes. They came to take him in and he put up a fight so Anakin by law and code he broke the law. He kne Palp being a Jedi in politic was a rare thing and dangerous sign to Jedi so Anakin wasn't smart enough. He was just cock strong with the force.
Whatever anakin saw is irrelevant, at the end of the day his goal is to save his wife and unborn child, he has tremendous guilt about what happened to his mother and vowed to never let that happen again at any cost, even his soul...
Mace not taking Anakin with him was a fatal error. Literally. Every time I read/hear Anakin's story and how the Jedi treated him (e.g. Yoda saying, "Don't train him...it's dangerous", then he's all, "Take him with you, Mace. He's the Chosen One.") I just think of how confused Anakin was and how much hypocrisy filled how the Jedi treated him. It just makes his story even more tragic. Great video! Hope you have a great final day before The Last Jedi! 😃😃😃
Thanks Donna, you as well! I do have to say that I love that this scene was in the novelization. It really provided a great contrast between Yoda and Mace in the situation. There are some earlier scenes that explain why Mace is so hesitant to bring him, but they were explained to Yoda and Yoda STILL just assumed Anakin would be there for the confrontation. Really makes you wonder what would have been had Yoda stayed on Coruscant...
Donna Wagner I agree with you. It was the wrong way to treat a fellow jedi, which led to why anakin was confiding in supreme chancellor sheev palatine prior to learning the true identity of palatine.
As a fan of SW, you start off thinking the Jedi are all good, but have some serious questions when you learn more... I think our journey was the same as George Lucas's journey as I think he wanted it to be a good vs evil tale but as he proceeded down the storyline he realised it wasn't.....
Kylo Feels Your Pain Yeah, if the Jedi were there when Anakin arrived he may have been pressured to stay with the Jedi and allow him to kill Palpatine, because Anakin could kick their asses
On early times I wondered if taking Anakin out of the confrontation was a terrible mistake, cause to me if Anakin saw the true nature of Sidious he would understand more about him. BUT Sidious would never show is full nature to Anakin till the right moment, he would have done everything in his UNLIMITED POWEEEEERRR to seal his true color and play the nice guy and toying with everyone just a little bit longer.
Mace had issues before he even met Anakin as a boy. You could see the way he acted when Qui-Gon was telling the council about him. He was already annoyed and did not want to deal with it even when he instructed them to bring Anakin before them.
All that time alone for anikan to think was DANGEROUS. When the mind wanders it can lead to drastic consequences. With all the energy anikan had, made shiuld have taken advantage of that and brought him along
Based on what I hear was in the Revenge of the Sith novel it seems the movie should have been between two and half to 3 hours long for it to have fully realized Lucas' vision for the film.
one thing to learn is that even if you're not the boss you can still provide a suggestion counter to what you're being told, your boss can change their mind or at least agree to let you do things the way you suggest, it's not quite the same as refusing, refusing would be if your told to do something, offer an alternative, & then get told to do it as you were told the 1st time, & then refusing to
mace windu wouldnt have listened to yoda even if yoda told him to bring anakin. mace windu was a piece of shit he caused a few jedi to turn dark, mace windu was planning to make himself out to be the hero and grand master of the jedi order and maybe ruler.
Mace didn't turn anyone to the dark lol. He was more loyal and firm in the light than almost any other jedi. Also, it was right not to bring Anakin with him. Because he knew Anakin would fuck it up. As he eventually did.
Just one giant ongoing (for decades) clusterfuck of horrific decision making by the Jedi Council led by Master Yoda. Mace Windu was always insecure and a little jealous of Anakin and it guided his attitude towards him, thats just the truth. Awful to say it but maybe the Jedi Order did deserve to come to an end.
I always shake my head when Windu tells Anakin _to his face_ that he'll have "gained my [Windu's] trust". Like...what the fuck dude? You tell a guy who's fought for years heroically in the war that _you don't trust him and haven't for however long?!_ Geez....
mace forged his own destiny by not trusting anakin. a picture is worth a thousand words. anakin couldn't have possibly taken mace's word for it, without being an eye witness.
What never made sense to me is when Anakin told Mace that Palpatine knows the dark side of the force, Mace didnt think to call one of those jedi hologram conferences and tell them what Anakin had said. Instead travels straight to Palpatine with the other 3 bantha fodder jedi masters to confront him. Even Anakin who was conflicted still sought guidance from Windu after he found out.
kurt sell PSH !!!! Mace is a joke if he thinks that he’s always been jealous ass bitch toward Anakin Skywalker is more powerful then him he knows it !!!! Ugh I really hated mace
I think that if Anakin had been present at when Palpatine was confronted, it would have gone very differently. Yes, Anakin would have wanted Palpatine to remain alive. But Anakin was also very protective of the men he considered brothers in arms. If Palpatine had become aggressive, as he did with Mace, Anakin may have defended the other Jedi instinctively. If, at any time, Palpatine turned his power against Anakin, it would have been over. Anakin, most of all, was a fighter. Once assaulted, he'd have fought.
Bullshit! He was a lover, and that’s what caused this entire situation, his DISREGARD of the rules! If he loved the Jedi so much, why’d he get padme pregnant? I love how coincidentally everyone’s blaming the one true black hero in this franchise for all of the problems, for Vader and everything that came from him. Total racism, and I don’t use that term commonly.
Wait Mace thought it was a good idea for Kit Fisto a form 1 swordsman(though incredible still not a good option) was a better option than Anakin? And Mace wonders where did he go wrong
in all fairness, we know more than he does. he didn't know how strong sidious had Or what style he used. I'm willing to bet he didn't want to risk anakin being manipulated by the dark lord.
Jesse But Kit has only ever won 2 lightsaber duels against pre prime characters while Anakin has won almost all of his duels and has more experience fighting oponents with experience
@@matthewcontreras6030 you can't. It was honestly really tragic. Anakim proved he couldnt make good judgement calls many times, like rushing in and attacking dooku when obi wan tols him to wait in their 1st fight. Yelling at the council about not being made a master, ignoring orders and protocol all throughout the clone wars which often resulted in people either needing to bail him out or Anakin turning things around through luck or last minute strategy, etc. Mace was 100% correct in not trusting anakin and his friendship with Palpatine would obviously cloud his judgement even more than usual. On the flip side, the jedi didnt exactly make things easy for Anakin and werent very empathetic or understanding. The resentment and lack of trust would eventially boil over at some point even if sidious wasnt there. Not to mention his suppressed emotions regarding his mother's death or his affair with padme.
@@matthewcontreras6030 I was moreso addressing the original poster since he seemed to not get why mace just couldnt and shouldnt have been expected to trust Anakin.
I think Yoda, Mace, Anakin, and Obi Wan should of all went to face Palpatine on a United front. It would have been harder for Palpatine to have manipulate Anakin. Anakin also wouldn't have just walked in seeing Mace about to kill Palpatine and would have seen all the stuff Palpatine told Mace as soon as they walked in to relieve him of his Chancellor duties.
possibly Palpatine manipulated events though to separate the council in that way, he likely was aware attacking Kashyyk would draw Yoda out & was manipulating both sides of the conflict so could further of manipulated resources so that the Clone army by itself would not be sufficient to handle the CIS at Kashyyk just as the war was coming to a close, & while there's nothing to show he specifically manipulated events so that Anakin would be separated from his mentor at the key moment of confrontation between himself & the Jedi it wouldn't at all be surprising if that was also the case.
Steve H that would have been idle however not possible, obiwan was still alway defeating grevious forces, Yoda was on kayshee, that was sidious plan divide and conquer, and it worked
Well if the other Jedi, in particular Yoda and obi wan, were there anakin would probably come to his sense's and see the situation more clearly, but unfortunately mace windu, the Jedi who didn't trust or respect him was holding a lightsabre to the neck of someone who he saw as a father figure who always supported him and respected him, the decision was not a tough one for anakin, like you said if it was obi wan or Yoda things might have turned out differently....
@@phantomsidious2934 They were clearly right not to trust Anakin. He had a family behind their back. He turned on the entire order including a room full of toddlers who looked to him for protection and direction. Anakin is not some poor victim only looking for acceptance. He was selfish and prideful even as a padawan. What ultimately happened is not some big surprise. With that said the Jedi fucked up in turning to the republic and away from the force itself. They couldn't see that the light superceded the government they served.
The Post-Ruusan Reformation mainstream Jedi Order had the massive issue that they allowed their fear of the Dark Side and their arrogance to guide their actions. Their arrogance led to a common belief that the Force was merely a tool and not a living being with a will for all under it and their fear caused them to try to run from the Dark Side rather than facing it and understanding it so they could effectively and efficiently stop the Sith (and, by extension, the Dark Side) from rising again. When Qui-Gon, the last of the Jedi Masters to trust in and follow the will of the Living Force, died and was unable to train Anakin to do the same, the Jedi Order was doomed as it left no one who did what they were supposed to as followers of the Light. This, in turn, caused the Force to lead Anakin to destroy the post-Ruusan Reformation era Jedi Order so that his son could build a new Jedi Order, one that went back to the ways of old in allowing the Force to guide them through its will, and regain the Jedi's honor and favor with the Force.
i believe he'd still turn by this point i feel Anakin was in too deep. he'd still try to stop mace from killing Palpatine.... had they treated him more humane than like a nuke that's waiting to go off, always spoke about the force but never about his inner rage. maybe then he'd of stood a chance. i believe if Qui Gon Jin was still alive he'd of turned out fine as Qui gone is more in tune with the force and is known to be a rebel of sorts unlike Obi Wan.
Balance in the force is kinda irrelevant to how many Jedi and Sith there are just because there's a majority of Jedi or of Sith doesn't mean the force is unbalanced you don't have to be a Jedi to be on the light side and you don't have to be Sith to be on the dark side. And also I don't think balance means equal amount of dark and light in order to be balanced you have to erase the dark. Balance, a condition in which different elements are equal or in the correct proportions www.google.com/search?q=balance+definition&oq=bal&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j69i60j69i59j0l2.5148j1j4&client=ms-android-metropcs-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
the force during the Clone Wars was unbalanced towards the Dark Side, it was unbalanced before Ep.1 due to the direct influence of the Sith to do so, (Darth Plagues novel), & Sideous at the time of Ep.3 was so far beyond the most powerful Jedi Yoda that he could only begin to grasp at how far beyond his reach Sideous & the Sith had become(Ep.3 Novel)
Windu's great arrogance would never allow him to let Anakin show that he was just as powerful if not more powerful as windu himself. Windu is just as guilty of creating Lord Vader as Palpatine was .
If Mace had just let Anakin be the chosen one as prophecy spoke, it would've gone a different way. All Anakin wanted was to be trusted enough to be included, especially fulfilling his destiny to confront and fulfill the prophecy.
whats weird about this is that in the vision in the clone wars that yoda had he did bring Anakin to confront Dooku and Sidious which was onteresting and made me happy seeing that
Never liked windu. He was just like dooku. Acting like he was perfect and above the rest knowing whats best and talking down to others. I think he did play a big part in anakins fall, since he treated him bad all the time, fueling anakins anger and frustration. Instead of being kind, talking with and counseling him, be brushed him aside. Only obi wan seemed to look at him as a fellow person and not a menace. He was a big hypocrite, talking about anakins dark side, when he himself had to develop a lightsaber form in order to not fall to the dark side.
More the realize teach vaapad to anakin. Windu’s pride, the attachment of the temple and jedis in it, and the idea bottle emotion, plus lack of respect. This is what got him kill, hint, hint,.😁
Vader, needs to oil up his force abilities. Apparently they went a bit limp, but hey nice try. JK . If you can't see at least some of the issues people have, you're lying to yourself.
You did notice that little "JK" I wrote? I was fucking around and trying to be sure you knew it. If you truly believe there are no valid complaints, you are the ultimate Disney fanboy
Could be more on this. Why was Yoda so reluctant to back Mace Windu plan and why Mace insistent on leaving Anakin out. Would help if High Council information about connection between Chancellor and Darth Sidious was made known, and why was Anakin sent with Obi-wan to rescue chancellor Palpatine if a connection between chancellor and Darth Sidious was known? Feel that situation not adequately revealed in movie
That's because Mace is an idiot, as he was throughout the whole trilogy. Anakin would of killed Sidious. Mace COULD have, but it took a lot of effort, and his decision with Anakin backfired like they always did. Anakin would have killed him. End of the war, no Empire. Good job Mace. You were one of the main factors in pushing Anakin away from the start....... Also, Yoda could have just ordered it done. He didn't have to "bite his tongue" , he could have told Mace how it is and put his foot down. Which he should of done.
Mace windu had no faith in anakin, he never trusted him from the start, mace was a very arrogant Jedi, his fate in episode 3 was inevitable, the Jedi were really responsible for their own downfall, a lesson they would learn too late
I think if Yoda stayed on Coruscant and Mace or someone else went to kashyyk I think Yoda could've talked Anakin out of joining the dark side like the moment where Palpatine talks about saving Padme from death and revealing himself as a Sith Lord I think Yoda would talk about it with him and do a better job than Mace did in helping Anakin with his problems and took Skywalker with him which would still put him in danger but Yoda would be there to soothe his confusion
Darth Revan I agree Lord Revan. But hey, wouldn't you consider Mace Windu a hypocrite? He was always on about Anakin giving into the Dark Side, yet he goes and develops a Lightsaber form so he didn't fall to the dark side himself!
I can't help but feel the same myself IO. I would have to think about it a bit deeper myself, but at the end of the day, Anakin still needs Palpatine alive and I don't think Mace was going to budge.
depends on how palps is reacting to the situation. if he would resist his arrest and star killing the jedi like he did in ep3 anikan might be helping taking him down. the only thing he saw in ep3 was window trying to kill palps, but not the whole situation before.
I am not sure including Anakin would have helped but it may have if he had been included in their plans. It may have swayed Anikan but if Mace tried to kill Palpatine, I think everything would have ended the same. Excellent video.
It is very true and easy to say he should have brought more and/or better fighters but that is for us the viewers to say after already knowing everything that has and will happen. It must be remembered that until Obi Wan and Qui Gon fought maul, not a single Jedi had ever fought or even knowingly SEEN a Sith lord so they have nothing to gauge their power on but history and Maul. Considering Maul was defeated by a Master and Padawan this is not very helpful, bringing 3 of the best JEDI MASTERS available as well as considering Mace Windus prowess, to him it probably felt like overkill already. The point being Mace did very well with the hand he was dealt and the knowledge afforded him, ANAKIN alone messed everything up by doing what he did. Remember THERE WAS NO WAY TO KNOW HOW POWERFUL PALPATINE WAS. Due to Maces shatterpoint ability he made an informed decision not to take Anakin. Just for the record i am not saying he should or should not have taken Anakin but he succeeded in what he was doing until Anakin fucked it all up.
Mace Windu wants 3 Jedi Masters, including: Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin, and Agen Kolar to arrest Chancellor Palpatine and he is the Sith Lord they are looking for. He is behind everything including the war. He needs to be step down after the destruction of General Grievous. Ki Adi Mundi told Mace Windu that Chancellor Palpatine needs to give up his emergency powers and needs to be removed from office. The 3 Jedi Masters failed to arrest Chancellor Palpatine aka Darth Sidious.
Yoda obi wan and a few other jedi believe in anakin as for mace i just hate him when ahsoka about the leave he couldn't even say sorry i glad anakin chop his hand off
If Anakin came with, Anakin would have changed his mind yes. would anakin have survived the duel? most likely not, BUT IF ANAKIN USED THE DARK SIDE, gaining enough strength to keep up with sidious, and then MACE fed off not only sidious's dark side energy but also anakins, mace would have finished sidious almost instantly.
That wasn’t a a confrontation it was a squash match.. Sidious went through them like butter except Windu.. Yoda knee it would happen and did nothing about it.
If Mace Windu kills Darth Sidious, then Anakin Skywalker is not Darth Vader and there would be no Galactic Empire, Padme lives, Luke and Leia are born, and Death Star. The Clone Troopers are allies to the Jedi Order. It would be a war with the Separatists but it will end in a stalemate. I bet it was Jar Jar Binks fault that he gave Chancellor Palpatine more emergency powers to the Senate. He says he is the Senate. Mace says not yet.
The Anakin Skywalker Fan Boys and Girls won't like this, and I am not taking shots at anyone in the comments section but we have to face the truth: If Anakin Skywalker would have followed orders, the Jedi Order would have never been decimated by Order 66, because Mace would have finished Palpatine, after all even Goerge Lucas officially announced that Windu had defeated Darth Sidious. If only Skywalker had the discipline to follow orders.
George Lucas said that Windu defeated Sidious in the light-saber duel. The moment Anakin came into the room, Sidious started faking and Lucas can't dispute that, one can't go from "I'm too weak" to "UNLIMITED POWAAH" unless he was faking
James Hakai but Palpatine did not have unlimited powered, and Mace would not have been blindsided if Skywalker had not shown up, Mace was fixed on Palpatine's Shatter Point. I do respect your view.
against Sideous... for 5 Jedi Masters to go against him they ALL should've been the top 5 greatest and maybe there should've been more than 5. I hear Shak Ti was great and we saw how good Yoda is and was. Those 2, Mace, and since Obi Wan Kenobi was considered THE ultimate Defensive master he probably would've been a better choice too all them along with Anakin could've resulted in a dramatically different outcome. an maybe changed ultimately Anakins feelings giving him the chance to see first hand and think about his dealings with Sideous maybe even to the point he was pulled back from the dark side completely. Not to mention he ALREADY had experience fighting and even beating much more skilled and powerful duelists with Dooku and I think even Grevious from the cartoons if I remember right. Plus Palpatine will then be hesitant to fight Anakin as he still is trying to turn him here. so he's got reason for restraint and to hold back some. maybe enough that he can run interference and get outta the way at the last second to let one the others finish the future emperor off. Assuming he didn't kill Sideous himself like he finally did Dooku. Sure Palpatine was probably beatable but don't think unless the line up Mace brought with him changed drastically the results would've changed much.
Why didn't Anakin arrest an unarmed Palpatine... instead opting to leave him and basically tell Mace to do it? Doesn't make sense, especially with how Anakin viewed himself.
After the deaths of Count Dooku and General Grievous, the war is coming at an end. Count Dooku died by Anakin Skywalker under Chancellor Palpatine's orders on top of the Observation deck spire inside the Invisible Hand above Coruscant. General Grievous dies by Obi Wan Kenobi on Utapau and he reunited with Clone Commander Cody afterward. Mace Windu denies Anakin Skywalker's permission to arrest Chancellor Palpatine. Anakin says he is too powerful and he needs my help, but Mace told him to stay out of Chancellor Palpatine's affairs because he senses a great deal of confusion in Anakin. Mace Windu took Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit Fisto with him to arrest Chancellor Palpatine also known as Darth Sidious. Anakin told Mace Windu the actual truth that Chancellor Palpatine is the Sith Lord they are looking for. Chancellor Palpatine is trained to use the dark side and convinces Anakin to become his new apprentice by the name of Darth Vader.
Bull! Who overused him? Mace, only mace? Coincidentally the black guy? So mace, who never talked back to Yoda in the movies is this disloyal thorn in yodas side.
henksuli yay even master Yoda in season six of the clone wars points that out when he doesn't follow the Jedi order instructions he goes to Skywalker for help at not following order, noting how good he is at that
Ok I don’t understand this 1st if Yoda knew that made was gonna go fight Sidious why didn’t h come arguably 2 of the strongest Jedi of all time against a Sith Lord and if mace brings Anakin and Yoda doesn’t come what’s the difference Anakin still would’ve done the same thing
So....this was literally all of Mace Windu's fault. I never liked Windu and thought he was a dick, all these extra lore makes me feel like I was right.
Mace had fallen to the darkside by this time. His arrogance and anger caused it. He was ultimately a hypocrite. He thought to highly of himself and looked down upon most others except yoda. He was not really a jedi here, but a dark jedi.
