i have both and i like the twin pedal way better.. and i can't help but smile when i see you on that DEERE!!!!! and yes they are out of adjustment i had a 4710 Deere and it was not sloppy like that one.
I personally like the twin pedal. Having worked on a golf course for 5 summers, most of he machines have treadle pedals. Some work better than others but for the most part, they suck. They really have to be in a comfortable position to use effectively. On some machines I feel like I really have to roll my ankle backwards to go in reverse. On the other hand, power reverser master race!
I have worked many years with each type, and I do prefer the twin pedal system. also my wife refused to use the treadle system on my older tractor.....but does not hesitate to use the dual pedal tractor...all without any training.
I have two kubota's. The treadle pedal is the thing I do not like the most. When I do a lot of reverse work it cramps up the back of my leg. The rest of the tractor is very good.
for me I am a kubota guy but I do like the twin pedal better. I feel like my feet stumble around more or my foot misses it's position on the kubota from time to time slowing me down. I do not like deere's electric over hydro foot pedals though. When I have ran a 3032e it did not have the exact movement kubota does. On the flip side the pedal not returning to neutral on the BX is really freaking annoying. For me what sells me on kubota is the simplicity of maintenance and how well each system of the tractor or mower is designed to meet with each other system. It is like buying a Honda vs a Volkswagen. I was looking at the ferris z2 mower at a local dealer and looked at the oil filter position and asked where is the oil going to go when you unscrew it, the reps response was, well if you drain the oil you won't have much in the filter. Ok but that does not negate the fact that the oil that is left will run down the engine mount plate on to the deck attracting all the dirt if you don't wash the mower. To us commercial guys who want to do a 10 min oil change at 7 am before hitting 20 lawns, that crap gets old. Kubota has done a good job to minimize those annoyances.
With a full loader in tight places you better push the correct pedal. I have an old treadle design and agree with you on the preferred design. I just feel more confident in hitting the right pedal to go in the desired direction without trying to see the pedals.
I still like my L3901 better than the Deeres I operated, but while the treadle pedal sounded like a good idea to me (after years of a treadle shifter on my motorcycles), I have to honestly say I have grown to hate it on the tractor. This is awkward as hell when you have to back up while twisted around looking back over you right shoulder, and try operating the three point hitch lift lever at the same time. Another thing Kubota should consider, unless law forbids it, is moving the triangle safety reflector to the middle directly behind the seat. I am average hieght (5'10") and have to really streach to see over it when looking back over my left shoulder to see the hitch. Both the triangle and treadle pedal are awkward when trying to back up to a trailer.
Kubota petal. while working in reverse it is natural to turn slightly to the right in the seat for visibility and press with my heel to go in reverse. I agree with the politician statement you said also.
I have run both... Twin peddle is ok in concept but that reverse on the right always makes me hesitate... Treadle peddle is very intuitive to me... And that extra safety factor is one reason why we have a Kubota.
I use both. I have a John Deere x500 garden tractor and Kubota B2620 - both styles work fine, I do like the certainty of staying in reverse on the John Deere, as my heal tends to slip off the treadle pedal occasionally - the newer Kubota pedal appears improved in this regard. Perhaps all manufacturers may go with the improved treadle as a universal design...
i honestly prefer the twin touch thing. but i grew up running kubota so i am used to the treadle. but i hate hydrostatic in general, prefer to have a power reverser, more of a precision speed selection
IMO. I've had both. I prefer the treadle. I pickup on forward with my toe if I don't have to be precise. Or reverse with right toe turned around. Both kubota and deere could solve this issue (it's a dealbreaker for some) by adding a forward reverse joystick, similar to the deere 110tlb used to have. For $200 in valves and shit, seems like a no brainer.
The Pedal is the only reason i want to get rid of my L4330 can't hit the reverse pedal when trying to turn and see behind me. My BX25d does not bother me at all.
I have run all three and I like the grand l the best and I did not mind the the twin pedal until dirt buggered up the forward pedal and could not physically stop the tractor with hitting the reverse pedal I had to shut the tractor off. It happened at the worst possible time and after that scare I never really trusted it again.
i have a BX2350 and i dont use the treadle pedal, i dont even touch it. i put my foot under the forward pedal and lift up. i didnt like the kubota design at first (i bought my tractor used) but once i discovered i could run it the way i run it im fine with it.
Hydrostatic transmissions are noisy in general. My Cub Cadet 2165 when running does whine quite a bit, but I don't mind. I also once had a walk behind snow blower with a hydro and there was a resonance that came through the machine. I don't notice the whine on my walk-behind Honda commercial mower, well, maybe a bit from the gears.
I'm not a brand loyalist and the pedals don't bother me at all either way they're just subtle differences between the Kubota and John Deere's I'm leaning more towards getting a deer this time. My wife's uncle has a Kubota utility tractor and I just doesn't seem to have the same power going uphill through the gears As the deer does with or without a load
It would be interesting to line up several implements. Then have a two operators with each preference go through with each machine. Then back a wagon or something a distance.
Well said regarding personal preference. However, having owned both the Kabota (mechanical) treadle and now the JD E Hydro- there is no comparison. The E Hydro is SOOO much smoother. And the cruise control is a REAL electronically controlled system, not a crude mechanical lock type arrangement. I am comparing a gen 1 BX and a B7610 to a JD 3320. So it is possible that my info is out of date and perhaps the new Kubota is also computer controlled. But a few years ago that was not the case.
That treadle pedal on the grand L (2nd Kubota he showed) is fully electric, very smooth and has electronic cruise control. Worlds beyond the mechanical pedal on the first Kubota.
Great videos Neil, you do a great job. Please keep it up. I like the treadle pedal over two pedals. I have a Kubota tractor and I never have to look down to see where the pedal is. When test driving a JD for instance, there are times when I had look down to located the pedal. In the end it is personal preference as to which one is right for you. BTW, I also like the older style pedal. The new pedal on the Grand L's is not coated in rubber and isn't as long as the older pedal. I wish Kubota will go back to the older design.
so you're saying JD's pedal only makes sense when driving backwards and you want to stop.... even though thats not even how you're supposed to stop a tractor?
@@ryancrazy1 The argument is, that it's bad because it's opposite to a car and that in an emergency situation people will press the wrong pedal. I guess all I really did was point out that, that's only true when going forward. I just find it crazy people get so screwed up trying to figure out two pedals.
A very FAIR video. I like how honest you guys seem to be. Makes me think you would be a good dealership to deal with. The dealership can make or break how good of am experience you have with a piece of equipment.
I don't own a tractor, but that forward on the left and reverse on the right would drive me crazy! I wonder if you can just switch a few lines and reverse the pedals? The pedals won't know any better :)
I also think it really comes down to personal preference, since I had both Twin Touch pedal and the pedal-toe setup. But if I rest my foot on the platform it alligned with the forward pedal so that might be it.
You are correct, it is a personal preference. I prefer the treadle. I like Kubota machines and they sell themselves. This is another great video countering Deere's misleading videos. Kubota literally decimates Deere in sales in the small market, and that speaks volumes on their quality.
Maybe he can moonlight a video for JD on the popularity of the twin pedals after reading all the comments.I thought the same thing being turned around and pressing down on heel at same time is worse then twin pedal.
Gosh, not at all a biased video... (Sarcasm) Credit for trying, but he obviously likes the Kubota more. Therefore, it's not at all an unbiased video...
I’m sorry but if the deers pedals are out of adjustment and requires more money and time in order to adjust them properly then that clearly is a stupid crap design! The kubota pedal works straight away from the factory you just press it and it works but if you have to spend more money and time on adjusting the deers pedal then that is just ridiculous. This is why I stay away from Deere because they try and find ways for you to have to pay them more and more money
The Pedal is the only reason i want to get rid of my L4330 can't hit the reverse pedal when trying to turn and see behind me. My BX25d does not bother me at all.
