#44 Kubota Treadle Pedal and John Deere Twin Touch. Are you using it wrong? B2601 and 1023E 

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Hi Ed. Just wanted to send a thank you for this video. About 6 months ago started researching small tractors....to help with my dead and dying ash trees as a result of the Emerald Ash Borer. Im tired, getting old, have taken down about 30 large ash trees with simple old fashioned tools and procedures. Hoping a tractor will give me a helping hand...help save my back.. with another 40 trees that need to be taken down.... I reside in Southern Ontario, Canada. I must say that this treadle pedal video was one of the very very most important videos in my months of researching...along with watching Tractor Time with Tim, GP Outdoors, Messicks to name a few of my favourites. My old, old cub cadet riding mower has the two pedal forward reverse like Johnnys. I have been driving this cubby for 20 years, and was, and still am, concerned I would have difficulty changing to a treadle pedal Kubbie. None the less, your video was a little comforting to me and I ended up putting a down payment on something orange! I went tractor shopping....1025R and BX23S. In my area, Johnnies were quoted at $6000 more than the comparable Orange Kubbies!!!. I wasnt real impressed with the Green Salesman and the dealership was 30 minutes away. I was impressed with the Orange salesman, the dealership is 10 minutes away and I have done business with them before. So, I took the $6000 extra and moved up to a B2601 TLB orange Kubbie. Presently anxiously awaiting delivery with hopes these troubled times dont hold it up too much. R14 tires, 3rd function etc are all back ordered, but dealer is expecting basic tractor delivery sometime this month..hopefully. Thanks again for your efforts and time in posting your vids. Im sure my size 15 boot will quickly become accustomed to the treadle pedal and soon be just like riding a bike. Oh by the way, your channel is the second channel I have ever subscribed to. Thanks Ed.

Thanks for posting. My last 2 lawn tractors were geared. The one I bought last year has the treadle pedal. Sure, it takes a little getting used to but it's no big issue and I actually find it a time saver.

There's an old man that lives across the street named Beauford and all I can think of every time I hear his name is that show. LOL.

I have watched so many of your videos I feel like we are friends - lol ( I do real estate videos for Hawaii and get the same response sometimes) So I don't feel bad ,,,, completing disagreeing with this video, although I am new to tractors, I did have an old JD for a few months before purchasing my Kubota. Doing my homework, both are awesome tractors, but the forward/reverse transition is way, way, better on the JD d- more "natural" . I find myself constantly having to "think" about finding reverse (its just not natural) and the amount of downforce required for reverse is 2-3 fold of what is required on the JD. So, all said, the both are awesome tractors, equal in most aspects so far, but the JD is superior in the forward/reverse aspect - in my humble opinion. Thanks again, your videos are awesome and I am learning alot for you - Mahalo my friend. Maybe I should note, I am on extreme hills, elevation changes and sometimes I have to back up a 100 feet or so , just to get to safe spot to turn around with my load and go in a different direction.

Nice you stayed non biased. I really don't mind either myself however I do notice myself checking to make sure the reverse petal is down all the way as its never fast enough!

Nice comparison I also like the clips being mixed in

In the 70's massey Ferguson had a backhoe loader that had 3 pedals. Left was for foward right was for reverse and the middle one was smaller and was for neutral throttle to raise the loader quicker. It was shape like a horse shoe. Thats why i lke the 2 pedal over the threadell. Glad to see your making video again.

Great videos btw! You're channel has convinced me for B2601!

Great advice on the garage door,

I have small feet so I have to use the heal / toe method as well.

Great video, Ed! I was able to adapt to the the Kubota treadle from day one on my L3901. It just seems natural. I think your observation about the risk of pushing the wrong peddle on the JD dual peddle system is a good one. Love the thumbnail, BTW ! Thanks for sharing!

I agree 100% on the reverse being way too stiff.

Ed, thank you for the video. I hope to order a B2601 this spring.

I've owned both tractors treadle pedal Kubota for 5 years and 1025r john deere 4 years now they both have good points and bad the swinging door and snow is a theft deterrent great video

I've had both and in a panic situation I definitely prefer the treadle pedal. I also subscribe to your use of the treadle pedal.

Another informative video Ed: really appreciate the shown difference. I had a JD X595 and did not have any problems getting mixed up between foreword and back. the Kubota system was easy to go to also. Thank you

i like the hybrid thumbnail image. I could see like GM and Ford working on their 10 speed transmission, that some day Kubota and Deere could work on a side by side tredle pedal where it could be right and left for forward and reverse. press right to go forward and left to stop and reverse. The tractor industry could adopt some automotive standards like power shuttles on the right of steering column to change forward and reverse rather than the left side. It seems they would be designed that way they are to conform to countries that drive on the left side of the road with controls on the right side of the vehicle. that would be fine for Europe and some Asian countries, but in our part of the world where we drive on the....RIGHT side of the road LOL! it would seem more normal to put the shuttle lever on the right of the column and the turn signals on the left side and climate controls on the right side of the cab and steering column. Put the twin pedals on the right as forward and the left as reverse. Yeah the Ag industry could learn a thing or two from the automotive industry for sure. it would make the learning curve on tractor operations a bit simpler and quicker.

Excellent video and explanation. I’m researching tractors right now for our new property and was hearing negative things about the treadle pedal. I was really eyeing a kubota as the closest tractor dealership of any kind is a dealer, plus JD is quite a bit more pricey! I’m sold on the design, I actually feel I would get the forward and reverse backwards often on their design.

💥 Nice unbiased comparison and great thumbnail. That should get some attention. *Keep on tractoring!*

I used the toe under the foreword pedal to reverse a few years ago, until I wore a hole in the top of my boot.

Heyhey Ed I use my treadle pedal just like you do . I find it easy and comfortable. Thanks for the video

My Ford LGT16D has a treadle pedal design, but it's old school as in a rocker, not as nice as a Kubota, but happy it's not a John Deere 80's era hand hydro. And you are right Courtney with GWT had pointed out that JD put them on the wrong sides. I haven't had an issue, but it's probably just cause I learned it that way.

You can take a spring off the pedal to make it easier to push down that is what I did. Later

I use my neighbors bx rocker the same way that you do. The only problem I have with it is that it is more of a u shape and my big foot has got stuck between the front and back of pedal. I use it for the backhoe I love my neighbors.

I agree on your usage, although I do find that if I'm doing small, precision back-ups (like 3-point implement hook-up) on my LX2610 I use the "lift the toe under the pedal" method. I can't do it for extended time but I find I have more control. (This is probably also because I have spent a lot of time on a Harley with a heel/toe shifter, not to mention my big ol' feet! ;-) )

Nice edits - very funny!

When you were pulling your tractor out, looked like there might have been some old mud coming off the tires! My tractor hasn’t seen mud in months. Only snow. Nice demo on the pedals. I think you get used to what ever you have. Cheers!

Treadle lightly my friend, keep on tractoring.

The Simplicity legacy XL I had up until yesterday had the two pedal and I loved it, the Kubota LX2610HSDC that arrived yesterday is of course the treadle…… its going to take some getting used to I can tell but by the end of snow season here in Minnesota it’ll be second nature I’m sure! Yes the Legacy XL had the hard cab and I put heat in it but no ac like the new one has!!!

Cut an inch or two off the bottom of your garage door and add a piece of heavy rubber to the bottom. If it's heavy enough rubber mice and critters can't get in but the rubber will give when open and close if there is snow or other obstructions . Plus rubber won't rot out like the bottom of the door if the wood touches the ground and always wet.

Very useful video. Drove my new B2601 for the first time today, moving implements that were de. livered with it. I found the pedal stiff, especially in reverse and hope it loosens. Have written down a lube that's supposed to help, but it's probably break in. I have a JD rider with the twin pedals and like them. I don't get the confusion with JD, since the brakes ARE on the far left. But I have gotten the wrong pedal placing my foot wrong. I look down sometimes to make sure. Not necessary on the Kubota.

I have a J.D. 3025e that has the twin pedals side by side, I'm here to tell you I don't like the J.D. design. I don't know how many times I have hit the wrong pedal. I used to have a kubota L 2650 with a shuttle shift manual transmission. I loved that tractor. Wished I had kept it. Thanks Ed.

I think either design is fine as well! It’s more or less what a person gets use to using. I do find the reverse pedal on my Kubota BX to be slightly to far back, I wish it was positioned a little more forward.

I would agree about the treadle, but having destroyed my hips stopping pucks for 23 years, my BX23S is getting painful to operate. Been looking at Massey, Kioti, Yanmar and begrudgingly, Deere. Gonna have to go twin touch…

I have the same issue happen with the Deere... It is the fact that the reverse and the forward are opposite of how they feel they should be.

GREAT VIDEO. THANKS.

I have a 2015 L3800 with the treadle pedal and the design is a bit different than yours, but I have no issues using it. I can say when I have been in a hurry that I have mistakenly hit one over the other one. I used to have a compact John Deere, but love the Kubota more in so many different ways!

Good evening Sir 👍 Great ergonomically points Sir about the various HST pedals 👍😉 It is part of my 50 hrs to check the pedal spring tensioner on the pedal 😉👍 Great video Sir Cheers !!!

Good discussion and explanation of the hydro peddles available. I have both systems. NH TC33D with treadle and RK24 with 2 peddle. I have no preference. The treadle has one disadvantage that bugs me: when the dirt/mud/snow/apples/pine cones gets under the rear and I can't push it down to move backwards until I get off and pull all the junk out from under the treadle. Additionally, I have pressed the wrong peddle on the 2 peddle tractor and either gone forward or backward when I really didn't want to. Neither issue is a deal breaker for me though. I'm currently shopping for a new tractor and the hydrostat system of forward/reverse isn't on my list of positives or negatives.

Hello Ed, I like the forward but I do not like the reverse on my B2601. I end up having to push so hard on the peddle that I come off the seat enough to cut the engine. I will often reach down and pull it up with my hand to go in reverse! I am not sure how I am using it and I am now curious to go find out... Thanks!

Only a couple of times have I tried the Kubota treadle peddle. I really liked it. However the tractor we are buying has the twin peddles which to be honest I do not find as intuitive.

I'll bet all the snow shovels were in the shed with the tractor also?

You are absolutely right. I still every now and then hit the wrong pedal. No accidents yet.

I am one that believes if Kubota offered a choice between the 2 styles, they would be going away from the treadle pedal in rather short order. I have both. I have the twin pedals on a Deere and I have the treadle pedal on my Kubota GR2120. I absolutely love this machine. It will mow circles around my Deere GX335, and that is saying something. Deere builds a really fine quality mower. When I bought my Kubota L2501, I got the gear drive. It wasn't because of the treadle pedal, but that did play a small part. You are right about the forums Ed. This seems to be the biggest gripe, if you will, about Kubotas.

Hey Ed Great video glad to see you do another well informed video. I think your end screen didn't take or something. Just letting you know.

Nice tractor, kubota

I have hit the wrong pedal on my John Deere 1026R. I assume the more I use it the less I will do it.

I don't see why all the fuss about the pedal. I slide my foot just a few inches forward or backward and can easily operate the pedal and my foot is always in contact. Period. No lifting of my leg or foot required, no need to try a heal-toe from the floor board, no awkward twist, no finding the pedal with my foot. Works for me.

I always wondered why tractors like this don’t go with the forklift design. A lever for direction and one pedal for throttle. Seems simple and less error prone.

I have a Kubota and my father has a John Deere and whenever I get on his tractor it seems like starting over ever time. The pedal don't bother me I just find myself looking for the arrows on the pedals on the Deere. To engage the pto my Kubota has a lever the Deere has a button sort of, and the deere if you go in reverse will cut the pto out and maybe motor too, can't remember, where as my Kubota can go in reverse with a brush hog or whatever. Heck even my poulin lawn mower can mow in reverse if the key is in the right setting c'mon Deere. Haha jk. It works out though cause I have a Kubota l3940 and my dad has a John Deere 1023e both with loaders so kind of like we each have two tractors depending on the job and size needed.

Your peddle seems to push down much easier than mine. I have a 2020 and it is very hard to push wears my ankle out quickly.

I use the pedal the same way you do the toe method no thank you The Rocker type of motion my ankle would fall off before I was done running it

I just bought a new b2601 and I’m a newb, but I had a b7800 years ago. I find the fwd part of the pedal fine but I also feel like I need to push the pedal “thru the floor” to get going. Sometimes the tractor moves great in reverse, sometimes not so fast. I’m assuming it’s just me still trying to get used to it. It has only 8 hours on it and I’m using it to plow snow right now.

Old Beauford T Justice. Love that movie. Don’t make them like that anymore.

Are you using the 60 inch light bucket or the 54 inch? Trying to figure out what i should get.

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Roll up door is the only way to go in my opinion. I think what ever pedal you get used to is the one you prefer.

Ugh…..I’m old school and would greatly prefer a hand hydro. I was able to master that on a garden tractor in 1976 as a 9 yr old. And that was with no power steering. With power steering, a hand hydro would be soooo much better, and no bobbles when hitting bumps.

Your pedal looks softer than mine. I only have 10 hours on my tractor though, so I hope it loosens up.

That tractor is confused.

Wow, you sure take a lot of words to say something.

Dump the pedals. Go shuttle-shift

My tractor is not orange nor green but blue. It has the twin pedals. I've hit both at same time, not good. Mines an LS tractor