Huge India-China power gap impacts ties & why Tibet is heart of the matter: Bajpai & Mahbubani 

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Kishor is so patient. I can’t have a conversation with those who are still children in their minds while their real ages maybe 70 years old.

India is its own worse enemy. The moderator and Prof Bajpal exactly the problem Prof Mahbubani is highlighting. Inability to adopt the helicopter view, bog down by Polemics and minute, small minded, unable to tear away from little issues. China has worked out issues as Prof Mahbubani has mentioned with far more acrimonious 'enemies' and settled its land border issues with 13 of its 14 neighbors... That it is unable to work out its land border with India more reflects the psychosis of India in carrying a chip on its shoulder when viewing itself against the greater success of China. This is the problem. India has got to get over its ego. Instead of seeing the positives that can come with a better relationship with China, it tries to be too clever and attempts to play a game joining the Quad. And neither of these two seem to grasp the wisdom of Prof Mahbubani. Yet again, India will prefer to pretend they are the injured party and believe it is clever enough to ride the tiger with the US and get a better deal out of China. Trying to be too clever is its down fall. The answers to the border problem are there for India to grasp. Instead it invents imaginary problems like Tibet which has nothing to do with India. Absurd and obtuse thinking. And they then wonder why China does not give them the respect they crave. LOL. All due respect to India, I hope some wiser heads are on the helm.

The Chinese state medias did not polluted their own citizen to hate India or Indians. However, there is vast different in India. Many state media and private media are corrupted and received huge sum of funding from 5 eyes if they criticize and demonize China. That's a big differences.

In China, almost no one talks about competing with India, but the opposite often happens in India where media and talk shows are full of beating China in every field. What is the problem?

This lady is expressing her biased opinions instead of conducting a discussion.

China is busy improving and advancing themselves, they are not interested in comparing with others. The problem is others felt threatened by this

See how the host nods when kanti speaks and how she roll her eyes and shakes her head when kishore speaks.. her choice was obvious..

Judging by the comments, Kishore is right Indians are emotional. Indians are obsessed with China. But the feelings are not mutual. And a classic case is the lady moderator. Her border obsession is getting old. Modi stated China did not cross the border. Get over it!

The “moderator” is in reality an instigator, inciting anti-China emotions among some Indian citizens.

This Indian professor is a very good example of representing the mindset of whole Indian population, as Professor Kishore points out, Indians are very emotional, Kishore is actually being nice to Indians, what he truly means is that Indians are very shallow, acting impulsively. This Indian professor may speak very good English, but he had never grasped the concept of geopolitics. Geopolitics is all about setting a goal, developing strategies, laying out roadmaps, forming partnerships, it's all about gaining something and achieving your goals, that's what Prof Kishore is emphasing, but does India have real goals? NO. All this Indian Professor talks about are perceptions, respect and disputes...very shallow and emotional. What do Indians want from India-China relationship? To humilate and embrass China, to counter China's rise, or to support separating Tibet from China? Indians successfully achieved the first goal, but for the latter 2, Indian will never achieve them. Prof Kishore clearly pointed out which is true: Indians are again making strategic mistakes today by siding with USA to counter China. I can rest assure now, 21st century belongs to China only, no India. Why? I think you know.

I love this man (Mahbubani). His mind is brilliant.

Jyoti is unbelievable & she is a consulting editor? Dear Lord! God help India!

China doesnot look down on India, they have not become a superpower by looking down at others, they visualise for the next hundreds of years, analysing strength and weaknesses of every nation, but many Indians are...

Indians under British rule were stationed in China as policemen. While Chinese historically have never put boots on the ground in India.

There is a huge intellectual gap between Kishore and the other two.

There's a Chinese saying that we learn in school 你敬我一尺，我敬你一丈。 You give me a foot of respect, I will accord you 10 feet of respect. 你犯我一尺，我回你一丈。 You transgress against me by a foot, I will return you in kind with 10. In general, if you play nice with Chinese, they will be obliged to treat you 10 times better.

Only If India listens to Prof, Mahbubani's thoughts, India will rise with her neighbor beautifully without a quarrel.

The main problem of India is, it has border issue with every of its neighbouring countries. Why? Because its territorial map is drawn by colonial power british. And the problem is the neighbouring countries are not aware of the british version of map so donot agree with what India Claims.

China and Chinese never look down on indian. It’s only the Western media that creates this notion.

China mentality is "we are strong when the world also perceive us as strong', whereas India mentality is "we are strong if we think we are strong"

The Indian professor talked about respect, respect is earned. China went through the century of humiliation. What did China ? She quietly worked hard, relentlessly to improve her people to be what she is today. Yet the West doesn't respect her. Does she complained nonstop of being looked down ?

If you compare the intellectual level between an oversea Indian from a tiny nation of Singapore to an Indian from a nation of 1.4b Indians, you can see why India is such a pariah nation.

Kanti’s view in so called China internal “problems “ is totally illusional and may represent that of some Indian elites - this further trigger Indians to make wrong choices… China will continue to grow despite whatever India chooses..

This Prof Kanti contradicts himself when he seems annoyed that China elites do not see India as a great power and he reasoned later that there is a massive power gap between China and India, hence China is not very accommodative towards India. Prof Kanti like many Indians had the delusion of India as a great power today which clearly was detached from reality. Would US or any other Western countries be accommodative towards India because India IS a great power ? The answer to the last question would determine once and for all whether India is a great power today. As they said, respect is earned, not forced.

If you want to gain respect from other people, then earn it, not ask for it.

Kishore is talking to the wall. Indian culture is too emotional, too instinctive, too egoistic and too prideful. Just look at the comment section and we can see how the Indians refuse to even think through what Kishore is saying. Despite saying numerous times that in geopolitics, decision makers have to be cold, calculative and cunning, just look at the reaction from the other Professor when Kishore is saying that India may choose the wrong side again. Kishore is not saying China is going to win. Kishore is simply saying, "there is this big rivalry going on between these two powers and it's still hard to know who will win. Why not we leverage this situation to reap immense benefits from both sides and if either side wins, it would not affect me at all" but the other Professor immediately takes it that Kishore is saying China will win.

Prof Bajpai, correction on size of Tibet, total area is 1.228 million sq km, versus 9.597 million sq km for China, and that means Tibet is only 12.8% of China, and not 40% as claimed by you. Even a much bigger Xinjiang is only 17.3% of China.

Staying away from USA and democracy is the ticket to save India. Find own path and social structure that answer India needs!!! Peace!!

I’m an Malaysian Chinese, and like all Chinese true out the world, the only thing we care and do is to put food on the table and give our family the best. We work day and night pay our taxes and only want the best for all human being in this world and if the rest of the world does prosper so will we, but greedy politicians only want to create hated among deferent countries in order to benefit from it, just pray that God will one day give those greedy politicians what they deserved.

India’s democracy is in name only. It copied its colonial master, Great Britain’s system without strong institutions and a well educated citizenry. It still has the cast system, and very toxic religious infights (hindus and muslims). India’s GDP was the same as China’s in the 80s. Now China’s GDP is many times larger than India. Market economy works better in China than in India’s. Chinese people are very pragmatic. Deng Xiaoping didn’t want to fight with CCP’s ideologues on the theory of what socialism was so he made up a new name for it “socialism with Chinese characteristics”, which alowed him to experiment with market economy (against ‘correct’ socialist theory) in Shengzen and some other coastal cities. He also said, “who cares what color a cat has, black or white, as long as it catches mice, it’s a good cat”. Even now, the “socialism with Chinese characteristics” has been enshrined in the CCP’s framework. This is why China have been developing so fast. It also drew a lesson from USSR’s demise. Russia’s economy has crumbled and all the formal republics became independent. If it were not for its military power and nuclear arsenal, Russia would be less relevant on the world stage.

Kishore, as usual is so respectable! A total contrast to Bajpai!

Indian Prime Minister says China has not crossed the border, Prime Minister's office: he's right.

Ancient chinese scholar said, “So long as a man of virtue always does things conscientiously without making mistakes and treats people respectfully and appropriately, then all the people within the Four Seas will be his brothers. Why should he then worry about having no brothers?”

Mr proffesor Kishore Mahbubani you are always 👍👍👍👏👏👏

With good will every difficulty is solvable, without goodwill every solution has a problem - a quote from Kishore

Mr Mahbubani has a very practical, sensible, constructive and mature opinion.

I rarely hear Chinese talk about India but constantly hear Indian talks about China and compares with China, how come?

China has resolved its land borders with all its neighbours except India while India has land border disputes with Pakistan, Nepal and China. Is this not the failure of our Diplomacy?

This is my first time to hear from Dr. Kishore Mahbubani, he surprises me with his superior wisdom and knowledge! Extremely smart!

The point made about being emotional, the time when Xi and Modi met looked like a shift, but later a trip to the US and Trump steered the path which for Modi seems a turbo booster from a salesman President. Relations then trickled down. The debate mentions India's inferior power to China. What makes India think, they have the standing of an equal with regards the US? Sit side by side with Superpower don't make you one. Do they share India's aspirations of being an equal? China is not a superpower and has a long journey ahead. Lifting the people out of poverty is just step 1. They have to prosper and their citizens will demand more from their economic miracle. China will have to keep innovating and expanding. The majority of Chinese can't be bothered about Indians. Most have plates to fill with food while a minority may be snobbish to sow hatred. India must not wait for West's help on development to be on equal footing with China. The inferior complex will disappear once partnership is established. I'm not advocating war, so pardon me here. Even if India gain control of Tibet, there is no legal claim even at UN. With Tibet out of the equation, the LOC is the main agenda dominating India/China division. Does India have the notion that China want to be an occupying force on Indian territories. If so, then fight for a few more decades or century. Otherwise diplomatically settle and move on. During ancient time's trade and travel, China India never had sovereignty war. What made India so sensitive? The strategic heights of Tibet is adequate if China harbours ill will towards India. India repeatedly reject China's vaccine overtures at the height of it's pandemic. Biden has agreed with the vaccine IP protocols but when? Recently the EU also denied Indian AZ travel privilege. Shows the hypocrisy and the leverage they will use to gain the advantage.Will not highlight other unpleasant India/West grievance. India is a member of NAM which isn't any smaller than the UN. NAM's failings in the past, doesn't mean it is irrelevant. India should strengthen NAM and leverage on it's strategic advantage in the Indian Ocean. Just NAM principles is good enough. Distance itself is a good bargain chip. Neighbors are not by choice and for centuries will be. Respond to neighbour's (not only China but all surrounding countries) gestures. My country's boundary are clear cut with all neighbours, so defence needs are minimized. India can emulate China to lift another billion out of poverty. Together with ASEAN can generate tremendous growth and culminate in the Asian Age. Why play a gatekeeper's role when the potential looks limitless?

Prof Mahbubani takes the available facts, then draws his conclusion. The other guy has a pre-formed opinion, then selects facts to reinforce his view. Very sad.

While the most emotional reaction all through in India is from the media, the lady host included.

I have viewed many interviews of Mr. Mahbani, he is amazingly smart, clear, balanced and intelligent. The common pity for all the interviews is that the interviewer or moderator are unprepared and in some cases, unqualified to interview such a great mind!

I salute Prof Mahbubani for is very tactful and fair reactions and statements. Even the host is very biaised.

I'm a Chinese. China wants to be friends with India. We don't want India to slander China with the United States, or initiate disputes at the border. In the epidemic situation, other countries' material assistance to India is not as much as China's, but we don't get a word of thanks

I am Chinese from the mainland. In my professional life, I have many Indian friends and I really enjoy working with them. I feel most of them are smart, friendly and professional. For me, it’s real painful to see the tragedy of confrontation between India & China. We both have the longest civilizations on this planet, we should be able to find a better way to treat each other. At least we are not enemies!!

Prof Kishore is so incisive and to the point. He is right and brings out the only way ahead that is to sit down and redraw our boundary. Any conflict situation can only be in interest of others . Our membership of QUAD is clearly inexicable shot in the foot. We keep chosing the losing side fearful of standing up and facing issues to resolve them autonomously . Indian Military Veterans

The presenter claimed Dalai Lama a spiritual leader 🤣🤣🤣🤮 Didn’t he owned Tibetan slaves and kept them nothing as animal.

My India friends, it is time to think and act independently, not just be played by the Bad US.

the lack of ability to see the big picture and self awareness is the fundemental problem for India

The distrustful relationship between these 2 great nations is not because China doesn't respect India or China looks down on India. This distrust comes from India having that wrong perception that China looks down on India. There ought to be a mutual understanding and respect, and mutual cooperation will benefit both countries.

If India always performs emotionally, how could other countries give the respect to it?

Prof Kishore is such a brilliant and wise intellectual. Always capable to put things in the right prepective👍

This moderator Malhotra made unjustified and loaded questions to disinform. On LAC: Modi at June 20 All-Party Meeting 1:25pm: "No Indian territory occupied by anyone"; Shiv Aroor INDIA TODAY June21 - "India troop initiated both conflicts n happened on China side LAC"

You can't pick on global Times cartons whilst ignoring Wion news on China.

Indians haven't given up our love of having a master. Because we never fought for our independence but slipped into it without getting free. Chinese fought a very hard war and avenge their slavery at hands of Anglosaxons . We continued to be influenced and subdued by Anglosaxons . We cannot think free and boldly. Our problem with China is seeded in attitudes and trust not structures and roads. We had full opportunity during Bandung Conference . Mao gave us lesson only because we scoffed at the suggestion by China to sit down and resolve the border issue . India should not hope of resolving this by piggy back on Americans . The Galwan affair should not be used as spanner in works . It was result of diplomatic and military complacency on our side . The whole concept of LOAC is faulty and invisible thus prone to military clash. Dalai Lama may not be political but place of Dalai Lama is is in Potala ! It's our diplomacy that must get its acts straight. Indian Military Veterans .

India is still a poor developing country, but it has started to behave like superpower USA already.

When compared to china🇨🇳 indian Democratic system palys a role in weakning india🇮🇳 against china. Like 5 year tenure for government and different state elections,so leader has to take some short term strategy's for saving his face...which will further weakens Nations position in long term especially against a super power like china🇨🇳 with Great Economy&Stable leadership. I wish our nation🇮🇳 and china🇨🇳 able to move forward together.

We Chinese are practical people, we treat anyone equally according to their action instead of words or history. What could you expect from us if every step(action) you take against us?

As usual Kishore Mahbubani outsmart these two ignorants , it seem like an university Prof. lecturing a street scavenger !

How Indians seeing themselves in the mirror is very different from how their neighbors seeing them.

India have a wrong perception of themselves. ........"Your beauty does not belong to you until the opinion of others say so" Look at recent event, India thought they are USA's "BEST" friend....correct, but what happen when the pandemic hit India. Did USA offer them help? NO, is AMERICA FIRST! Please wake up. Know who is your friend or foe... If your can't differentiate that, then you are at.............end

It seems like this lady's job is primarily to produce content and say things that Indians WANT to be true.

Prof Mahbubani seemed frustrated. He wanted India to do well but they are not moving in that direction.

Dr Kishore Mahbubani is brilliant and peagmatic.He has given very constructive views regarding the two countries's relation.That's why Singapore developed and is a prosperous country.

The way India portray themselves is not the type of a progresive country...& a very long way to be a super power country

I'd like to point out how the professors rather talk about the urine in the last supper artwork instead of India's portrayal kneeling while the other countries have a sit. Indians forget that both India and China are great civilisations for thousands of years that got robbed and destroyed by western colonial countries. The choice in picking the urine instead of kneeling shows that most Indians rather look up to and support their colonial masters that caused the Bengal famine instead of a peer victim that's standing up for itself to fight against imperialism. Kishore is right that China is willing to give respect to any country regardless of size (ask any African nation) when trying to cooperate but if India chooses to side with imperialists to destroy China, especially with border issues created by UK (India's former colonial master), China will not back down on fighting back.

Enjoyed the insightful conversation. Appreciated Jyoti Malbotra's last question. Can not agree more with Prof Kishore Mahbubani, if standing up independently and living up to its words, India would be trustworthy in Chinese's eyes. Unfortunately, India has chosen to side with US, the obvious stronger side in Prof Kanti Bajpai's eyes, to "detain China", so I guess it's only natural that China does not see India as a friend. Should India be respected as an enemy? Maybe not either, for according to Prof Bajpai, India needs a "super power" to support it just to stay beside China. It does not take a doctor's degree to see that India had never been respected by the west, but it takes an honest and courageous heart to admit it.

Mr Mahbubani stated the event and the drive. The (event) is the staggering progress of China’s success within the last 40 years. India simply could not stand the heat from a neighbor who has a similar population but why didn't India achieve that, this has (driven) India into jealousy and hatred. Prof Kanti Bajpai quotes “Finding a balancing partner” to do what? If you are talking about military means, please note this: from 40 years up until now, China did not fire a single bullet. Western killed millions in 40 years. A single blow to Iraq murdered 460,000 innocent men, women, and children! This is a heinous crime against humanity in history! What human rights are they talking about? So India wants a murderer to be a partner? Chinese are not an aggressive nation, never was and never will be. When Biden, Trump or Boris pat on Modi’s shoulder reminds me how the Brits divided Pakistani & Indian, they were once living under one roof in harmony like brothers & sisters, until the British stirred them up to fight each other. Same thing applies when N Korea fought the south. The N Vietnam and south were instigated by Americans. The shoulder patting is sending you to graveyard Modi! The titles (India vs China) of your book may not be appropriate. I can assure you that the Chinese have never hated the Indian, period!

I see Kishore, I watch

A Chinese friend once told me (a Singaporean), that in China, considerations and decisions are made in terms of 100s of years, not some 3-5 years plan, or 10 for that matter.

the moment Dalai Lama took and lived on money from CIA in the 1960s, he lost all legitimacy as a purely spiritual or religious leader in Tibet. the guest speaker was just too polite to point it out

Good on Print to invite prof. Mahbubani for this overdue debate - he is one capable outspoken voice that can cut sharply through this muddy clutter.

the heart of the matter is, prc is directed to raise the living standard of the nation, india is run to benefit politicians. there are many reasons why india has lagged behind prc, but that is the most obvious.

China growth today is their people trust, united, believed and rallied behind its own goverment. This proves enough that their Chinese systems of governing only work for China not by exploring to other countries like US DemoCrazy systems does always....China lifted million of its people out of poverty, the only country can do this in such fast phaze, INDIA should learn from this NOT ENVY with HATRED.... China don't have time to compare...they are busy planning & forecasting in advance 5 years ahead...

The host need to get her facts right before posing questions. It’s a massive turn off for people who are seeking truth. China has already won the Cold War India and The collective West is simply reacting to it.

The moderator & Prof Kanti sounded way out of depth compared to Kishore's level-headed reasonings.

The huge gap in analytical skills, diplomatic craftsmanship is so in this discussion.

Actually Prof Kishore’s message is very clear ans straight forward “If your opponent is too strong, just keep quiet and dun complaint, work harder, full stop”

Which country did not look down on India ? Check the media in all Western countries, you can read the West's disparagement, denunciation and condescending attitude towards India, especially lately with the Covid crisis.

No matter how much it is talked about, it’s useless. There is a democratic country that can’t do well in internal affairs and caring for the people. The society is still generally poor. There is another country that implements a socialist system, but it continues to improve the living environment and take care of the people. The country is getting better and better, what do you think? Neighbors should get along with each other so that they can take care of each other, instead of hostile to your neighbors with friends on the other side of the Pacific...

I salute Prof Mahbhubani for making so much effort in debating with a people that suffers from inferiority complex, has Stockholm syndrome and yet also has an ego bigger than the entire cosmos. Respect to you sir. I won't waste my time with them though.

The Western world has been participating in a game of strength rankings, and everyone competes with each other to get the top spots on this list. The root of the problem is that China is not interested in this list at all. Unfortunately, Western countries always draw China into this competition and use various evil methods against China. So we just want to say: Please leave me alone for a while.

Mahbubani is so smart, great respect. He is no doubt smarter than the other guest！

Kishore thinks like a Chinese and Kanti thinks like an Indian.

Let me try to answer the question: the system China has currently ensures a stable internal environment so the country can focus on Developing on all sectors. Is this really that hard to see?

Mahbubani is a great wise person! especially compared with the others two!

One thing I know is that Indian and the USA are obsessed with what China is doing. Whereas china’s obsession is on improving itself.

The brits redrew the India Chinese border but forgot to tell china. “Divide and conquer” was and is live and well. Consider the “possibility” that this conflict was externally pushed. What we learn from history is that we don’t learn from history.

India has a choice not to choose side. Just be itself and wisely diplomatically sail between the the two great powers.

Everyday,from morning till the night,the radio and tv program talk bad about China.Even WION bring up negative news about China.What did you guy expect from China.Respect China,China has different cultures than India.Both should respect each other.

India and Indians are emotional! That is a sentiment I have observed in SEA.

India needs China-style secularism. India needs China-style strong governance. Most of all, India needs China-style patriotic, decolonized and anti-colonial education. Not sepoy factories. Then maybe we'll be able to lay out a long term geopolitical plan and a civilizational grand narrative as China has.

We are still busy with hindu muslim and forgot that we needed to take our country to next level . We indians are happy with our media and politicians telling us how great we are. We have nothing to offer to china and our military capabilities are not even close to of china.

Look at the slums in Indian -the majority poor, the hopelessness etc Nothing else to say- PERIOD

Very Deep and critical discussion by the panel, really appreciated the insights and analysis of the larger and the bigger picture that is developing in the 21st Century. As an immediate neighbor to India, I believe, that the world war is gonna be played out on the Global stage in the Asian Continent, and like what happened in the last World War, America came out on top - Because the Global Super Powers of that time, fought between themselves the bloodiest of Wars i.e. Mighty British Empire (Economic & Military Might) and Germany (Economic & Military Might). But they both killed each others, laying dead on the battle field and simply leaving open the battle field for the 3rd Developing World Power i.e. America to lay the claims to their Victory for itself and then for the remainder of the century (cause UK broke its back and Germany ended up divided). NOW..... America simply wants the REPEAT of THAT Same Play BUT with a TWIST! .......... Practically, America should be the ONE to Directly fight / face-off the Chinese this time (as did the British empire did to Germans) BUT !!! As the ground realities DONT Allow a Positive Victory as a Result for the Americans for another Major Direct Conflict with a Serious Major Power & EUROPE is now the "OLD Ragged Man" without any stomach for any future Wars!! --- Hence They Want to Muster Up the Indians to do their Front Assault / Face-off with the Chinese and let these two dogs fight off and eat each others face off as a result, while the Americans will only "Support" Indians to do their dirty biddings. As a RESULT of this, India gets decimated (as No war has EVER produced a wealthier winner!!!) and China becomes also decimated in the process!............. SOOOO! the Analysis of these Mr. Kishore is POINT-ON watch where you step on your Neighbors feet !!! cause ultimately they are YOUR Neighbor ! (And the West is NOT!) Recent World developments such as "QUAD" and putting up Indians CEO's in Major world companies and Supporting BJP in India (an Ultra-Hindu Nationalist Party) ...... All of these American props plays right into the hands of Americans to Prop-Up Indians (in Indian minds about their ultra leadership skills and importance in the World!!!) to prepare Indians as the American jockeys for the Next American Dirty & Bloodiest Race! against the Chinese. decimating both India and China in the process and leaving America un-touched while it was passing through its old age and testing times itself at home!

A very good interview showing why India failed over the years.

Dear Prof Kishore Mahbubani, you are hero to build a better world, for US-China, and India-China, Sigapore-China, appriciated for your great effort to contribute with your wise and kindness

China never look down on any country. Infact they help country in Eastern Bloc with Infra Structure to build their economy. Indian Govt., Modhi feel inferiority to Xi & accusing China for looking down on India. India relationship with any country is unpredictable and instable, what do you respect from this outcome???