You guys think the Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie!? Or that Rey is a good character!? That Luke wasn’t the chosen one!? Geez. You’re the first people I’ve ever heard who liked that garbage.
Luke ISN'T the chosen one. Anakin was. If you didn't spend your time watching grifters say negative things about SW for money, you'd probably know a community like ours. A community that appreciates a variety of different Star Wars and doesn't all conform to one opinion.
Well luke wasn’t the chosen one… anakin was… vader is the one that destroyed the sith and brought balance to the force by killing palpatine. Disney did in fact run all that into the ground tho.
Just like how people also said George Lucas himself destroyed Star Wars with the Prequels. I saw one RU-vidr from 2008 who was angry at George Lucas after seeing Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and said that he was killing his childhood icons by raping them in the eye socket.
Disney hasn't destroyed Star Wars. I"ve been a fan for the last 32 years. The only thing destroying Star Wars are the fans who have nothing to contribute to the conversation other than sentences like this.
All that I needed to hear was that "The Last Jedi" was your favorite Star Wars movie, and I instantly knew that not only would your thoughts and points be invalid, but that you would be pulling crap out of your ass to make your world view work. I was an Uber Star Wars fan long before the dark times, before Disney bought it, and maybe that's your problem, you aren't fans of Star Wars, you're a fans of the new version because that's what you know. I'm really hoping that that's the case, because if you'd watched the films before Disney and then STILL think that The Last Jedi is good, may God have mercy on your souls. No, I'm sorry, this is COMPLETELY against Luke's character. Luke has killed MANY a Sith, but he doesn't see darkness in Jedi and light his blade. This was Disney killing off all of the original characters so that they could make room for their NEW characters, and it was written by people who weren't fans of the original movies, and overseen by a woman who hates strong male characters. Luke died in this movie LONG before he mysteriously turned into dust for no reason(using "too much" force isn't a thing, just further proof that the writers had no idea what they were doing since they weren't fans who paid more than lip service attempts to understand the universe). Luke died when he threw his lightsaber away, because that's not Luke. NOTHING in this movie was Luke, it was garbage from beginning to end.
You lost me when you assumed we were new fans. Choco and I are both quite old fans since we were both kids. Fans before the prequels came out. We are both loremasters who have dedicated ourselves to preserving the lore. And I'm going to go point-for-point on why your understanding of the lore is disingenuous and manipulated by the negative YTers who take advantage of hatred to make their money. The use of the Force and the effort it takes has been well established. Augmentation with the Force often came with a cost of mental and physical exhaustion. Let's take Force Dash for example. Even in EU - Tionne Solusar warned practitioners of Force speed that it could overwhelm you and drain your energy and metabolism. In Canon, Obi-Wan has to choose to use Force speed on Cato Neimodia and elects not to, to conserve his strength. Much like in Phantom Menace, Obi-Wan had been too exhausted to use force dash through the force field to save Qui-gon. A force augmentation requiring the physical and mental efforts of the user will exact a cost. This is why Yoda, in his diminutive size, is able to quickly burst into action using the Force. "For the force is my ally." Once he's out of action he is spent and can no longer go on. It is why he feels he has lost in Revenge of the Sith, and escapes with Bail. Similfuturus, or the force projection ability, is one such ability that requires an extreme amount of effort to utilize. In Luke's case, it was right after he had just reconnected with the Force. You say Luke died when he threw away the lightsaber - when? In Return of the Jedi when he threw away the lightsaber? Everything he has done has been in character. And not some mock-up you've drawn in your head about who he is supposed to be. He threw away his own lightsaber to protest violent action as a Jedi. And the last time he saw THAT lightsaber he threw away in The Last Jedi - his hand was taken off, and he had found out Vader was his father. He certainly has every right to throw it away. In the comics he lets it go after losing it on Bespin and says "I don't need that to be a Jedi." I'm sorry, but your version of Luke is not consistent with the lore. And I have countless years of lorekeeping to back up all of my claims. So, who doesn't know their shit again? The "writers"? Or you, who seem to make shit up to match the narrative that the negative YTers have fed you? Because it seems to me, that instead of having a conversation on the lore, and speculating on the stories we are getting - you're STUCK in this endless loop of trying to find ways that Kathleen Kennedy ruined everything. Kathleen Kennedy is your boogeyman. See, in this house? We talk about SW and have fun. Come in here with your tired 6-year-oldl talking points and your "Disney sucks" picket sign with no real nuance to your conversation, and you're not going to have a good time. Newsflash. It's not HIP to hate on The Last Jedi anymore. It's just downright useless. If that's not enough: George Lucas thought TLJ was a beautiful film; and Mark Hamill has said that TLJ was his favorite since Empire, after having seen the finished product. How's that for old fans that can't possibly like this film. So get off your pissy soapbox crying about how old fans can't possibly like this film.
@@DyadintheForce I assumed you were new fans, because I've yet to meet a single person who enjoyed the originals, and the prequels, who actually enjoyed the sequels. They didn't make sense, everything was forced, nothing was earned, they are garbage. I didn't need a RU-vid channel to tell me that they were negative, I watched them with my own two functioning eyes. Yeah, using the force can physically and mentally exhaust you, it doesn't suck you dry like a vampire. And yes, I said Luke died when he tossed away the lightsaber, because that was 100% not Luke. It's not in character just because you say it is. Has Luke thrown a lightsaber down? Yeah, at the emperor's feet when he refused to fight his father, not in a nonchalant flip over his shoulder as if he doesn't care. My version of Luke IS consistent with the lore. Luke spent years traveling with his son Ben Skywalker, training him in the use of the force and in lightsaber combat. I'm sorry that because I refer to the Luke that had decades of established lore, that I don't buy into the bastardized version that Disney gave us, but that's all that it is. It's a hollow shell of who Luke is. And as much as you might like having fun and praising KK, she's not a Boogeyman, she actually exists and shits all over every male character that she can. She thinks that that makes the female characters look better. She shit on Han and Luke, as well as Finn, Poe, Hux, and Kylo to try and make Rey, Leia, Holdo look good, and the numbers don't lie, fans don't like it. She then went and shat on Obi Wan in his series to make young Leia look good, and then shat on the Mando to make the female Mandos look good. You're blind if you can't see it. As for hating trash, it doesn't go out of style.
@@nr63kish I've already heard all I need in your monologing about the oppression of male characters to know where it all stems from. You failed to mention when Luke misjudged the dark side, and tried to eliminate Palpatine's clones in Dark Empire. He actually fell to the dark side and had to be saved by Leia. Using your logic, that would have been making Luke look weak. What it actually established was, the Luke in Legends was just as fallible if not more fallible. At least in canon, Luke never fell.
@@DyadintheForce no, not even close. When Luke was tempted by the dark side and fell, THAT FUCKING MADE SENSE! You guys are grasping at straws to make the Luke of The Return of the Jedi to match what Disney did, and it doesn't fit. Don't blame me for that shit, it doesn't fit. You keep telling yourselves that it fits the lore, but it doesn't. Not only doesn't it fit the lore, they have to come up with new bullshit abilities that aren't part of the lore to make it make sense. You're wrong, it's alright
If the first instinct when he was young was to strike at his father and cut off his hand and slip into the dark side (This is canon, as confirmed in the novelization); and after 30 years your instinct is to ignite and instantly regret it ... It is in character and shows progress. The only issue is that Ben saw it and it was too late. Luke did not do anything outside the framework of his character given growth and perhaps misjudgment. If you cannot see this as part of Luke's character, you've only created a pristine, benevolent version of Luke that doesn't exist. Even in EU/Legends, Luke fell to the dark side thinking he could eliminate Palpatine from the inside when Palpatine returned then. At least in this case, he never fell. He only suffers from the failure of misjudging his response in that moment. But Ben was already seeing red thanks to Palpatine's manipulation.
There is someone I talked to who thinks that every new Star Wars TV project is basically contorting itself into justifying the controversial plot decision to resurrect Palpatine in TROS. I did explain that it's no different from what The Clone Wars did for the Prequel Trilogy, but he said that show didn't justify anything about the Prequels, and that it expands on something that was a natural progression of the story.
The return of Palpatine was already justified in the 2014 book Aftermath. His contingency plan was hinted at in the first book well before The Force Awakens.
@@DyadintheForce But wasn't Kylo Ren supposed to be the main villain in Colin Trevorrow's treatment of Episode IX? It didn't have any mention of Palpatine returning in it.
