you didnt have to list that. It was clear by the every wors you said. I know this video is meant for comedic purposes ( great deadpan humour) but i feel bad for the people who take you at face value.
@Wojciech Pordzik ah yes the very few human world's not incorporated during the great crusade.... totally disproves the totalitarian nature of the one million planet strong ( minimum) imperium....stop pulling random statements out your ass. 😂 The imperium is know about by every planet in it, I mean it's pretty hard to miss the giant shrine to the emperor in ever major place with people.
@@Calgar_Gaming what about civilised world like in the Infinite and the divide and pleasure world. Not to mention we mostly hear of forge world and hive worlds because (A) it makes gw lots of money ( which is why we mostly get space marines stories and Products) (B) because thier boring and most of the fan base prefer hive worlds like Necromunda and Armageddon.
I'd agree with you on all these points, but you forgot an important one, if your an elf you have to look in the mirror and see an elf every day of your life
@@sephiroaone-of-nine101 it's ethically correct to be racist against all elves except the Nereverine, hell theres even timeliness he reincarnated as any other race but elf.
@@handleonafridge6828 ahh yes that grammar nazi puriest - please gas me, torture me, burn my children for not being as holy and superior as you are thy lord and grammar master!!!
with all the shit going around in the 40k universe, honestly any future that isn't enslaved by the necrons or in the stomach by the tyranids is a good future. by any means necessary
The Orks are also always winning, even some of the Eldar acknowledge this and they are very narcissistic. By the way, when I say "winning", I mean winning at life. For an Ork, fighting is living, and they are constantly fighting, and they love to fight, and they usually die fighting. Orks just thrive in Warhammer.
Not to mention that Orks likely just reincarnate in a big cycle of fun because A. death never really seems to phase them and B. There's no such thing as Chaos Orks, at least not on the regular. Warhammer was made for Orks and everyone else are just toys in the sandbox.
@viktor colbert If we's winning we win if we losin we wins if we retreatin we winnin cause we get to do more fightin. Everyday fighting wid da boyz is a good day.
" I was born into this world, just like you. A world of unceasing war and endless terrors. But with a nation of men at its heart, a bastion of hope and courage: the Empire. Led by the craven, torn apart by the greedy, weakened and exposed, forever on the defence."-Karl Franz Another solid video king
Which sounds like THE MOST pretentious piece of crap I've ever read, blatant Empire circle jerking Karl's ""speech"". (GW couldn't have been ANY more subtle with the favoritism)
Yeah one is medieval europe with monsters and daemons a la witcher while the empire of mankind is ultra fascism, but even worse somehow + daemons + space bugs + all the other horrors of the 41st millennium which, ya know is quite bad to put it mildly.
@Wojciech Pordzik that is very much not the case. Best case scenario is a pleasure world with low imperium control and semi modern day technology which is effectively like living in a modern day dictatorship. Otherwise you live in immense slums, death worlds, feudalism or worse You also always run the risk of a xenos or chaos invasion which isnt ideal. TBH optimal situation as a human in 40k is joining the farsight clans
@Wojciech Pordzik many? About 3/5 of the imperium at this point did saw and fell to either xenos or chaos. And filies is right, most imperium planets have people living in terrible conditions, even in the realm of ultramar. Pleasure worlds are few and far in between and stable worlds are even rarer, not even primarch capitals are all stable, much like Jagatai'khans own world or Angrons.
I always like the description "Star Wars fans want to be Jedi. Star Trek fans want to be captains. Warhammer 40k fans want to not be in the warhammer universe."
@@olafjansowidz dug up a year old comment and you are wrong. "Have you ever thought about how it sucks being human in one of the warhammer settings" *warhammer 40k image in the background* seriously... if you are going to randomly lash out at strangers online over mundane comments at least watch the content.
T'au has humans in it, and they apparently live pretty decent lives. Sure, they disappear people on a regular basis and that's NOT because the Grimdank quota needs to be fulfilled and I *promise* GW isn't holding a gun to my head as I say that, but it's still not terrible.
Farsight human is even though smaller minority but even better alternate to T'au, since Farsight established their place away from the Ethereal's rule.
God I hate gw grimdark quotas remember when Bretonnia was just an average feudal civilization and even peasants could be knights or when the ethereals weren’t the party from 1984
To be fair, the average lifespan of a Grey Seer is 20, and in Warhammer lore wizards tend to have something in the ball park of several times the lifespan of non-magicians, for all species. So 5 years is pretty normal for Skaven, especially cause they reach adulthood in something like a month.
And sometimes they don't even live up to 1 year cause the higher ups decided to use them as either cannon fodder or a test dummy for whatever nightmare experiment they decided to cook up today.
Always remember in any discussion of the warhammer setting that the lore is paradoxical, contradictory, and nonsensical, and that it is this way by design.
Fans: "Hey GW, why do your books keep contradicting each other and not make any sense?" GW, sweating profusely: "Uh... Unreliable narrators?" Fans: "... Ingenius."
at one point in the distant past I would agree that it was by design, back when geedubs actively encouraged the hobbyists to be creative, weaving their own narratives and building campaigns within the grimdark sandbox. Now I'd argue they are just short on creative juice and would rather you just take out a mortgage so you can consume mindlessly.
@@bencox3641 “by design” means dealing with a galaxy wide story with trillions of individuals and that’s just humans. There are contradictions in historical accounts in real life, if you extrapolate that to a galaxy influenced by 4 satans then it’s pretty damn incredible anyone understands anything at all. Hell, chronostrife is already a mind fuck by itself.
*_"I saw the way you lived on that world. I have seen the way Imperial citizens live on a hundred worlds. If you truly believe that this a sane galaxy, and that we are the aberrations, then I pity you. But then, you have not seen all the alternatives yet; when you do, your mind may change."_* _~ Vorx, Chaos Lord of the Lords of Silence, conversing with Captain Dantine, a captured Imperial Guard_
imagine a space marine legion that's genetic flaw was that their pancreas didn't work and they had to roll a d6 each turn to check if they could perform actions or had to spend a turn eating dextroenergy tabs
I love how the emperor is a living contradiction, he loves humanity, but makes the worse planets to live in, he hates chaos but makes the perfect conditions to get corrupted... This guy is a weirdo
"the scaven certainly aren't living better than humans, but it also definitely doesn't bother them as much as an equivalent living situation with a human" "your human rights are still being viciously violated and not knowing about that fact doesn't make it better"
I wish in 40K other human civilizations that are not imperial got fleshed out. Talking about Olamic Quietude, Interex, Adrantis 5 and many others. A lot of these actually have more advanced tech than the Eimpire in 40K but they are smaller sometimes just one planet and they get destroyed.
@@TT-pl5iw Dude's functionally a neo-Nazi, and he became so notorious that GW actually sent him a Cease and Desist to get him to stop using their brand in his username, during one of their semi-regular attempts to purge the Toothbrush Moustache Enthusiast Club from their customer base.
Regardless of how regular humans live or die in 40K, their souls automatically goes straight to the Warp to get tortured, violated, devoured _(typically not in that order)._
But arent human souls different from eldar? Human souls just shater and you, as a person dont exist anymore. Unlike eldar. If that isnt the case, that would be humans could be ressurected the same way as eldar can.
To be honest the instant you’re teleported to the 40k universe one if not all the chaos gods would daemon prince you immediately for access to your 4th wall breaking knowledge.
One of my favorite examples of a 40k agri world is in the Lords of Silence book. There's 3/4 of a chapter dedicated to an agri world that the characters actively say "is advertised as a paradise" throughout the Imperium, but once you land, you never leave. Its nothing but wheat crops covering the entire planet, grey sky, barely fertile ground, all crops and fields are 'designed' by the Mechanicus to fit a template and copied over hundreds of worlds, people work 16+ hour shifts in the fields, nobody can leave- and nobody will come to your rescue if the small guard regiment on the planet can't save you.
tbf, the LoS Plague Marines themselves comment that there should have been a rescue/response from the White Consuls /Navy, were it not for the fact that this takes place right after the Great Rift is opened and the entire Imperium is reeling from not having the Astronomicon to guide them
Also the fact that Agri-worlds are just absolutely hellish for the sole fact of the sheer amount of pesticides, fertilizers and other such chemicals used. If you think the runoff of farms irl is bad then you have another thing coming when it coems to agri-worlds.
I'd have to go digging through my books, but I remember reading in a 40k Codex that once a "good" planet got ruined because Khorne decided they had it too soft, instigating a Khornate flavoured apocalypse (raining blood, hailing skulls, that kind of thing). Such is the grimdark setting that even if you make your one particular world decent, the powers that be will take issue with that and make it not so. "Oh, look at that pleasant, undefended world," said (literally any faction who preys on anything unfortified).
If you had to choose, the place you would want to live in in WH40K (as a human) is Ultramar: In the lore it is always described as the most prosperous and peaceful part of the Imperium. Since it is actively governed and managed by the Ultramarines it is considerably less corrupt, planets are not destroyed by endless pollution, standards of living are decent compared to the rest of the Imperium and you enjoy the protection of the Ultramarines. PD: Also @PancreasNoWork, the 40K Imperium now has a sort-of-Karl Franz equivalent in the form of Guilliman.
"as for the Dark Elves well yeah they dont have the best living conditions for a lot of them but the Druchii dont give a shit about comfort" Funnily enough, last July I actually wrote this about Dark Elf living conditions : > be Dark Elf > once every year, crazy murdercultists rampage around your city and kill people indiscriminately. only reason you've survived so far is because every residential house is already a small barricaded fortress > it's so fucking cold outside > you are constantly surrounded by sadistic asshole sociopaths and the paranoia is driving you insane > everyone around you wears human skin on their robes. the stench is unbearable but you can't complain about it because you'll be accused of being weak > even though you've lived in a single settlement for the entire duration of your life, you keep getting lost on the way to the local bakery because the layout of the city is literally designed to be stupidly confusing, bewildering and absurdly difficult to navigate > it's so fucking cold outside > kept awake every night by your asshole next-door-neighbours furiously covering each other's houses with crossbow bolts and shouting insults at one another. their tiny little urban war has lasted for a decade and they somehow haven't been able to kill each other yet, leaving you sleep deprived for countless nights > it's so fucking cold outside > constant looming threat of either being drafted into the garrison of Ghrond to repel yet another fuckass chaos invasion and dying to a filthy northern marauder, or being drafted into Malekith's army to attempt another failed invasion of the ancient homeland and dying to a High Elf spearman > it's so fucking cold outside > probably can't even defect to Ulthuan because they'll just execute you for being a suspected Druchii spy > you could try your luck in Sartosa but the last time Dark Elf corsairs visited the island it ended with them getting enslaved by human pirates > and worst of all, you are c*nadian i.imgur.com/bFMgieV.jpeg
Jokes aside, the Malus Darkblade novels paint a very interesting picture of Dark Elf living conditions. For starters, there is a lot of class stratification in their society, with lowborn Druchii at the bottom and the highborn at the top, to the point where they even have criminal gangs and bandits. In "Lord of Ruin", the ruler of Clar Karond was too pre-occupied with day drinking to bother with the political plots and schemes of his colleagues, and Malus's brother Isilvar was both spoiled and indolent, choosing to spend his time enjoying the luxuries of nobility rather than going on raids and such.
You unironically get to call yourself something like Malus Darkblade and not be rightfully judged by everyone around you though so clearly these cons can’t be that bad. But yeah Dark Elves have a shit life. Hard to feel pity for the people who’s major contributions to the world are making it infinitely worse though. I mean they created Nagash essentially, that alone is abominable.
@@pancreasnowork9939 Darkblade is actually an insult because Malus's father absolutely hated him. The reason Darkblade is insulting is because Druchii swords aren't actually black they just paint them so only a bad blade could be dark from the get-go.
Dark elves also revel in pleasure and constantly get back their numbers through constant reproduction. They have extremes on both ends, I'd argue that dark elf life offers the biggest ecstacy and also the biggest suffering.
I remember some absolutely crazy Cities of Sigmar. There're awful ones like Vindicarum, which is teaming with zealotry, paranoia and constantly self-torturing flaggelants. There's Hammerhal Ghyra which is regularly swarmed with nurgle horseflies and mosquitos - there's an entire regiment of steamgun exterminators in heavy armour for such shit. But most interesting case for me is Settler's Gain - a city in in Hysh, realm of light, that is heavily influenced by Lumineth society and values. At first glance this is paradise, where every manual labour is done by solar-powered automata. Every human there is a student in phylosophy, art, science or magic in the hands of aelf professors. Only this is literally student-style life for an entire life - people here are sleep-deprived, drugged (there's a special narcotic wich is brewed by Hyshian students to keep themself constantly awake), condemned to ruthless stresses and worst of all - at the end of their lifes most of the people realize they will never gain knowledge or skill of their aelf professors - humans just don't live long enough for that. This just sound like Hell to me. This causes tensions and upriisings, but loudest of the bunch will be taken in magical crystall chambers for "enlightenment" that sounds and function exactly like magical brainwashing.
It also sounds incredibly stupid to me. Because the reality of life is this. It might take you 80 years to experice something, but someone can learn about all you have ever experienced in a matters of days, weeks or months at the worst. This is actually something that was brought up by a professor who read both nichize and Caral Juen. It took both of those men their entire lives to wright their philosophy, and he in just a few months was able to inherit and understand the sum total of their experience in a matter of a few months. Honestly a more accurate depiction of elves would have them being distressed by how much these young humans can grow and understand. Becoming equal to them and even surpassing them in a fraction of their lifespan.
The real fucked up thing about being a human in Age of Sigmar is that the majority of humanity is actually Chaos-aligned in this setting and you'll probably be a barbarian in the middle of a corrupted wasteland who has to kill to survive.
@@Dreadnautilus Course, sometimes you get a claw hand or a weird tentacle to help you kill better. Sure, you can no longer safely scratch your head or use doorknobs, but you gotta take the good with the bad when you live in a literal frozen hellscape, yeah?
@@foreignfat6009selling your soul to the forces of actual, literal hell is never going to end in your favor. All it takes is half a thought from a bored greater demon and you'll find yourself getting turned into an unspeakable horror beyond comprehension
@@foreignfat6009 The idea that nurgles followers are always happy go lucky is not entirely true. It's more of a mantra his followers have to follow to the letter and force themselves to believe lest they get turned into a chaos spawn for disappointing grandpa
I think it depends on when you’re born in the Empire. In 40K, golden age was looking pretty nice. In fantasy, pretty much any time in the Empire pre-End Times as long as you aren’t close to a border or Sylvania.
Another thing people often forget is the 8th edition codex, which literally says that as soon as Cadia fell *every* planet in the imperium was thrust into war with invading demons. There is literally only war for any human in the setting.
not only that, but without the astranomicon, they dont have FtL travel. so even if you somehow fend off the daemons, good luck having any supply after the war
I want to quickly mention that Araby most likely has a much better grasp on medicine than the Empire. If the Doctor you're talking about is the one from Skavenslayer, he learned how to practice medicine from an Arabyan University. Also, you've used Trazyn as an example for someone who might be glad that the Necrons are now soulless immortal machines, even though in the Infinite and the Divine he is clearly shown to lament the loss of the Necrons souls. Part of the reason he collects so many artifacts is to celebrate the Necrons once thriving culture and creativity, and maybe try and regain his soul through it. In the same book, though, we have Orikan, who does like his new body. He believes that the cost of his soul is vastly outweighed by his power over the universe, and he even spends the book trying to be more like the C'tan, who didn't really have any bodies at all until the Necrons gave them some. I realize this is quite an "Um, Actually..." comment, but i thought of it, and i don't think it hurts to post it.
Doesn’t Orikan spend the entire book trying to get a soul by any means? Trazyn is conflicted, sure, but Orikan is really against the whole being dead thing.
@@ethanhall2655he wants to ascend to godhood on the level of a c'tan, not necessarily get his soul back. He sees the pursuit of getting back your soul by undoing biotransferance as foolish for example
One thing about the pleasure worlds. They offer all kinds of pleasures to their guests. Even the disturbing kind. Guess who's being the subject of those disturbing things
Salt wasn't extremely valuable, it was a common means of food preservation throughout most of medieval Europe. It wasn't as dirt cheap as today but it wasn't uncommon either. Almost anyone could afford salt.
It was however valuable enough for preserving food that an average person couldn't really afford to waste it on such trivial matters as "making food taste good", so the point in the video about medieval food tasting bad is still relevant (especially when you consider the lack of every other spice)
@@user-zz3sn8ky7z True that they didn't have access to most valuable spices, they did however use plenty of locally grown or regionally available herbs to make up for it. Even peasants who lived near the coastline could easily make their own salt, it only gained in value the further you were from the sea. In this case yes, the peasants probably wouldn't waste salt as a spice for everyday food. But generally speaking Medieval cousine wasn't just eating unsalted shlock, and permanently feeling hungry, not even for peasants. Of course during winter, war or bad harvests it could be the case that peasants would only eat tasteless gruel to survive, if anything. But during normal times peasants had access to (by today standards) pretty decent bread, fish, vegetables, herbs, sometimes dairy products and eggs etc. I mean they were working hard manual labour 6 days a week, you NEED to eat halfway decent simply to stay alive. A lot of the things people think about medieval cousine are exaggerations and often simply false.
More valuable towards the north - you need heat to extract it from seawater. This is why Scandinavia perfected the process of drying fish into a long-lasting tasty chewable snack. They had salt, it just had to be imported or made at greater expense by boiling.
Salt was generally plentiful. So plentiful in fact, that throughout history, food being overly salty was a regular issue documented in many cookbooks. During harsher times, especially winters, a lot of the food available would've been salted for storing, especially meat and fish, which gave a lot of foods a very salty taste. But beyond that, food was good. Your palettes adapt to what you're used to; to us, some of the dishes might seem bland, but that's because we're used to the shit we eat nowadays. In reality, you can make very very tasty meals without any access to exotic herbs & spices. Onions, garlic, mushrooms, meat every now and then, maybe some freshly caught fish (much better quality than most of what we get today), carrots, celery, cheese (which was a big part of the european diet)- don't tell me those don't taste good. Probably not spicy (although wild garlic actually can be quite spicy). There's also honey and fruits and beer and wine [...]. Medieval people generally ate quite well, albeit with a bit less than ideal protein intake.
I think the elves that only survive when causing and experiencing constant pain would be worse to be human. There are also the Egyptian robots where the average one had their souls eaten by star vampires. You could also be the fish people who are surrounded by things who could wipe you clean off the map instantly if they paid attention to you for more than 30 seconds.
Living as a human in 40k is like living at mininimal ultrashit situation, it could be worse by a lot but it could be better by a longshot. The only way you can achieve bliss is to be completely mindless or obscenely retarded.
So either it's life as a web developer, life as a roomba or a life of constant anxiety fueled by the imminent threat of total annihilation. I'd much rather pick one of those over a 40k human. Hell, the sentient Necrons could feasibly live fulfilling and interesting lives. Just look at Trazyn. He has until the end of time to pursue his favorite hobby. Even if his favorite species is wiped from the universe he can just take a long nap and wake up to a galaxy of new and exciting civilizations.
Isn’t intense, long term torture one of the things space marines have to go through during their indoctrination? If anything wouldn’t being a space marines be worse than being a regular human on average?
Your are indoctrinated into your culture, arent you? As all of us are. How do you even know if something is horrible in your culture? I dont see indoctrination as something horrible for you and your life. For example being slave from birth, you just accept it and feel happy for things normal person wouldnt be. What do you mean by long term torture? You mean coversion to space marine? Is that a long term, if they can life for so long? Or do you mean mental torture that they are living in shit galaxy? But again, if they are brainwashed. It wont be such an issue. Sure, they might be depressed from losing their brothers. But how is that worse than for average human?
Well, given that common 40k fan thinks that Imperium is a best option there is (some even going so far to defend its system as democratic) and does those nasty things only because "it is forced to by uncaring universe", such videos are in place
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I dunno, Nurgle gang seem pretty happy even with their, rotting teeth, melted eyes, horns growing out of their orifices, exposed intestines and their rectums so badly prolapsed that they now have a constantly-shitting tail. I didn't make that last one up, mind, look up the Wurmspat.
@@rKhael53 Good luck defending the prospect of spending your whole life > infested by every plague, pox, parasite, fungus and invasive plant imaginable, plus several extra ones you can't even imagine > being driven insane by extreme overloads of pleasure and pain that only satisfy you for a short while before leaving you craving something even more extreme > enduring the most extreme, most psychopathic, ultra-violent PE class > losing all grasps on reality, time, etc. in an infinite, ever-changing maze of confusion as better than, just anything but that.
Doesnt it apply for any race in 40K? Eldar is appeling is for their immense life span, but being eternaly stuck in purgatory or having your soul raped for eternity might not be worth.
I remember reading somewhere that during the end times, for one night, the chaos and ratmen raid stopped and it surprised the empire. Imagine can’t even sleep in peace.
If you bring the necrontyr into the mix, maybe being a human is some what ok, because being a necrontyr would be a painful existence But now they're all robots now so they get a one up on humanity
Medieval life: they didn't understand germs but they understood cleanliness. There was plenty of tasty, food what are you on about? Yes, being a serf would suck.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 Most of them still die sooner or later. Name one dark eldar that witnessed the fall and that is still alive. There are about a dozen of them and most are mad.
A medieval farmer would spend significantly less time on fulfilling his quota obligation to his liege than we will spend on earning what we pay in taxes....
Paradoxically propably the best thing to do as a human in warhammer would be to literally go insane. For real. Become corrupted by chaos, become some kind of chaos puppet and if you are good at it you would even have chance to become some kind of champion all while having fun and enjoying yourself. Sounds pretty good to me.
A couple problems with that though. Chaos Champions in Fantasy already have most, if not all, of their personality wiped away so you're essentially a shadow of your former self. It gets worse if you slip up. You could turn into a Chaos Spawn for your failure. Then there's the Warp itself. Allegedly, Human Souls are too fragile to survive the Warp and disintegrate upon death so what little is left of your sad excuse of a husk you call a soul will dissolve into nothingness. It's only fun as long as the Gods deem it so.
Well, Daemonhood is the ultimate reward after all, especially in 40k cuz you're given control over a whole Daemon world as well, besides immortality. And hence why Chaos is a closely kept secret, such promise is enough to corrupt any weak minded.
Humans in 40k not working 24/7 even on a hive world? What about humans who get turned into servitors? While most of them don't remember a lot, it's still a miserable life and the memories can sometimes return. Like, being a cyborg zombie and working 24/7. Quite a horror.
I remember a story where bureaucratic ~~AI~~ servitor... just ate minds of some other servitors, gained more and more power.... just reject individual and go to Human's Homolog, that servitor-Borg-thingie literally found his homeplanet eventually
I dont disagree with most of your points. The only one I have an issue with is the agriculture world one. But similar to the paradise world ones, they are not all that common so they dont really change much. They aren't great, but they are not all that bad either (by that universe's standards). The reason this is irrelevant is because like you mentioned, most humans come from hive worlds. Overall fun video.
To be fair the reason why they would be bad. Like most of these worlds. Is because the writers of 40k don't understand things like development, technology to production ratios, and the benefits of industrialization. It actually might be more accurate to say that the writers of 40k only know about the negative aspects of something to the point at which they ignore the positives or the context of how said negatives might be a step up from the past.
@@irontemplar6222 I think thats the point though, with the genre being grimdark and all. Alot of the times though its definetly more grimdumb than true grimdark.
@@navilluscire2567 an example would be the invention of the mills and factories. Despite the attempt to paint them as these dark satanic things (from the perspective of the journalists covering them) The people went to work their voluntarily, and in doing so their quality of life increased drastically as did their life spans, and general education. Now it obviously wasn't perfect, but for many of the people that went to work at them. Had they not the only thing they had to look forward to is maybe starving to death come winter, and even if they didn't maybe inheriting a small family farm that's struggling to make ends meet. Despite the exaggerated portrayal of the negative aspects of industrialization. On the overall it vastly improved people's lives, and that includes the people who worked in them. It also worked to improve the environment as well, but that is its own subject and a fairly long one aswell.
@@irontemplar6222 If by *"improve"* you mean subject them to a system of further exploitation by the elites of societies. How exactly did things like early industrialization improve the lives of people, you just say they did but don't specify how as if the advent of industry alone suddenly and *magically* made people's lives better.
If you're a human and got isekaied you want to live on one of three places. 1. A T'au world. 2. A world hidden and independent from the Imperium. 3. A pleasure-world. Simple as, I'd probably pick the first one or the second one if given the choice, cause under the third I'd still be worried about a forced religion and likely my life being expendable to any Nobles whims, Independant world could be incredibly damn random on what kind of world it is, but its rolling a better dice then an Imperial world. T'au worlds have the most consistent quality of life and expectations, so I'd probably do the best there.
Dubai exists on Earth, today. It's entire economy is propped up by tourism and catering to the wealthy across the world. If you start looking into how any of the laborers in that city live you'll quickly realize that Pleasure Worlds can be much, much worse than hive worlds, because the incentive structure makes their oligarchs do it to their people deliberately, from the top down.
Living on a pleasure world is a lot like being a native Hawaiian. You live in poverty, watching your beautiful home be squandered by rich asshole tourists, your only employment prospects being serving those assholes as the military fuck you around.
@@erds4113 They seem to genuinely let you keep your faith, if you can call it a religion it is a syncretic religion by comparison to the imperium, I am Atheist/Non-Religious. So I would generally not truly struggle, they might send me to get reducated for being a hardcore leftist though. But even if I tried I do not think I could make any headway unless amongst other humans. Even if I introduced stuff like Unions, the T'au society could likely subvert any problems and easily integrate things, while giving me the smack for being rebellious. But if I shut up, I could live a decent probably tbh better life then I do now to some extent.
@@erds4113 No, the Greater Good is a way of life that prioritizes the group over the individual, its not a religion, there are no rituals and its not based on superstition. You are free to worship the Emperor or almost any other deity as long as you dont go around shouting "death to the xenos!" The Ethereals may have an spiritual leader vibe, but they arent, they supposedly rule through wisdom, not faith.
3:12 to quote Tv Tropes: "Behind its veneer of bright, swishing colored flags, vast emerald rice paddies and stunning sparkling lakes, noble Dragons who seem to care for humanity's best interests, and massive power, Cathay, while being one of the better places to live comparatively, is just as oppressive as the other human nations. The Flavor Text of the various building chains reveals that there's a massive "labor bureau" that ruthlessly enforces its will upon the human population, throwing anyone who disagrees into giant labor camps where they’re implied to be worked to death. There's also a propaganda bureau that builds the place up as a perfect Utopia and ruthlessly hunts down any dissenters. Most of the Ruling Dragons are said to secretly view their human subjects as ants and will sacrifice untold numbers of them without hesitation for barely any gain, yet they are worshipped and venerated with such fervor that people will kill for the slightest level of disrespect being aimed at them! And that's just the interior, the Northern borders of Cathay are constantly assailed by Chaos warbands numbering in the tens of thousands monthly, and the Southern Border is a warzone between Khuresh, Ind, and the Monkey King. It sucks to live in the Crapsack World of the World That Was, and Cathay, despite its outwardly more bright appearance, is no exception."
Honestly, when it comes to 40k I think the admech might have it better then people think. I mean, if you are taken by then and turned into a servitor or a skitarii you'll probably lose your feelings, personality and free will, but you won't have to experience the terror and despair of being drafted to a battlefield where you'll die in the first 20 minutes in a horrible and painful way or how it fills to work 16 hours per day on a hive city
My strategies for living in Warhammer as a human: AOS: I’d run to the nearest village getting raided by chaos and try to die valiantly so I can become a Stormcast. It’s better than living as a normal person. 40k: I’d enlist for the Planetary Defense Force and just try and be as loyalist as possible. The Commissar would therefore be less inclined to shoot me. Then I’d hope for a promotion. If not and I see Drukhari or Chaos running towards the front lines, I’m pulling the pin on a grenade and kamikaze charging.
if you were to live as a human in 40k you would be better in a tau world, they actually care for their citizens,tho some people say the ethereals use mind control but it was never confirmed because it was from the imperiums perspective which is probably propaganda, even if they did mind control tho the rumors say the ethereals use pheromones on tau, so in reality if that rumor was true then you will probably have more freedom then that empires native people, the only thing they try to force you is to not be xenophobic and the greater good which means the actions you take should be to help the most people, they allow you to believe whichever religion you want, provide food and healthcare, and they recently created a god of their own, but tau themselves have almost no presence in the warp so to empower our god we need people and such
When it comes to both 40K and fantasy, it both sucks. But for their own reasons. AFAIK in 40k most people don't experience really anything bad from Xenos or Chaos, just living terrible lives in polluted cities in eating nothing but mush. A human in fantasy seems to very commonly interact with things that want to kill them, but also seem to enjoy some community support, as well locally grown real food and low pollution.
And in fantasy a peasant still have a chance to become king. He can just straight up collect his resources gain support and start civil war to gain the throne of his former masters as an act of vengeance. That way a peasant can live luxurious life he never seen in his own eyes. Despite that he will act like is old boss (the new boss is the same as the old boss after all)
Hearing that Age of Mythology soundtrack music in the middle of discussing the finer points of which Warhammer races it sucks the most to live as felt pretty weird but i like
I would make an argument that living as a part of a chaos cult of Nurgle (if it's not discovered by the Inquisition) is better lifr than of an average imperial citizen
The lower rank and file of the cult aren't the ones getting the cool chaosy shit. They're the sacrifices, cannon fodder and rubes to scam for revenue. And odds are you're not going to even know it's a chaos cult as a result, just an alcoholics anonymous foundation, foreign aid charity or some shit like that.
In 40k there are more worlds that are comprable to Earth than there are Hive Planets (like how Terra and Necromunda is) but there is a lot of anachronistic steam punk grimdark tech where there is extreme manual labor to do something like load shells into a ships gun and Imperial ships can just pressgang civilians into service when they come to a planet. You never get to leave the ship. But there is absolutely worlds just like how the United States is (warts and all) where nothing much happens, productivity is met or exceeded and atypically shit doesn’t go bad or wrong at all. But to hear about those worlds would be boring and not really in keeping with the tagline “there is only war” so you don’t hear about them. The tau would probably be the best place to live as a human since they do have excellent living standards, with a close second being to live in the Ultramar sector which have the best living conditions within the Imperium.
I think a lot of the manual labor for things like ships and forge worlds was done away with, it just didn't make sense given the machinery at play. On various worlds however, it can be a very different story.
Less United States, more modern Nazi Germany or Soviet Union I’d say. Sure, still leagues better than a Hive World. But still dystopian and suffocating, even without a war going on.
I love you and hate you for this video xD A few days ago I didn't care about Warhammer at all. Then RU-vid randomly suggested this video in my feed. I watched it and now I'm binge watching all WH 40K lore videos xD
It's warhammer. WAR-hammer. There's no peace only war, no pleasure only pain, no life only constant violence, death and destruction. The tabletop game is for doing battles/scenarios/operations that resembles war, not some good life simulator. It's a fantasy that pleasures our mind of wanting constant glory, drama and carnage in battle but also having the pleasure of not dying or losing something (other than money and time) in doing so. I'm just a newbie in this fandom tho and this is what my opinion on what I have read, watch and see in Warhammer universe
That's crazy in Fantasy, because essentially most Fantasy factions are like, 50% humans. There are three Elven factions, Two underdeveloped Dwarf factions, One Ork, One Ogre, One Lizardmen, One Skaven (with different clans, granted). Humans have Bretonnia, The Empire, Tilea (sorta), Kislev, Cathay, Nippon, etc.
Eh? Arent rat clans complete different from each other? Like Eshin and Moulder are further from each other, more than Bretonnia and Empire. Elven? Wait, only 3? You counter Tilea, why not count different cults for Dark elves then? I can go on with other factions besides Ogres.. Like you did with humans.
What fantasy universe is good to humans? Witcher you get raided by demons or elves. Warcraft your under oppression. LOTR your under constant attack, plague, and (unless your a ranger) have short lives. Let’s just all be elves
It's mind boggling how this simple fact is disputed by so many people. Outside of the witcher world(and even there, before the humans arrived on the continent they were fine) in every fantasy world elves have far better living conditions.
@@justthunderbolt40 Eh… there are a couple of example of Fantasy worlds where elves have it pretty shit. Dragon Age is a big example where not only has their golden age passed, but they’re either living in Slums of Human Cities or Nomads who are at constant risk of humans in the next town over “not taking kindly to your kind round these parts **Spits**” and forming a lynch mob. The overlord games Elves have it kinda shitty too since they pretty much got genocided and their home forest became their king’s Nightmare hellscape.
Answer for fantasy was actually hidden in previous video. Gnoblar. Being gnoblar is worse than being human by huge margin. As green skin you live to bully or kill anything smaller than you ....and you are living with Ogres. Even being goblin is better as you might get lucky enough to be born in one of pure goblin tribes.
Well Araby, Tilea and Estalia at least have more medical understanding than the Empire does. Also, Dark Elves have to live with the constant paranoia of being backstabbed, also Death Night. You also forgot to mention the Organ thieves on Hive Worlds and forgot to mention Feudal and Industrial Worlds along with Hell-Forges. Also, I guess you're kind of right about Age of Sigmar being a High Fantasy shithole Morathi is even more of a parasite than she already was (poor Khaine).
not to forget about how suicidal the humans are in this franchise. like there are tons of jobs wich make the people doing it just die on purpose. i have read about some techpriests wich are used to walk into a dangerous zone in a imperial fleet to refill it and die
Another thing to consider in 40k is that nice worlds aren't important to the war machine. If Orks come knocking, space marines aren't gonna lift a finger to help. Cadia, a planet next to hell, was hilariously a planet that you'd have the most security in whilst also being able to have normal job to occupy you in between your mandatory PDF shifts.
Pleasure worlds look nice but living there is probably horrifying too. I`d expect palace intrigue turned up to eleven. And we start at 'has to murder all brothers to becom sultan` level. Then there are the aristocrats/rulers of other worlds that were send to a pleasure world just because they couldn`t be murdered for one reason or the other (and the maids may decide the reasons have stopped). Fallen from power is a diffrent kind of suck to the usual. Oh and perhaps a few lucky members after decades-centuries of campain close to insanity that might heal. Or go on a rampage... I`d not bet on pleasure worlds of 40k to be even decent living.
14:00 Intense indoctrination, forcibly making you live though your very worst memories again and again (and if suitably horrible memories aren't available then they will manufacture them for you with psychic powers), intense physical training with a VERY high likely hood of death, and even if you survive if you are deemed unworthy you basically become a slave or turned into a servitor (which is much worse). People seem to forget that Space marines at the result of taking children with already horrible lives and then mentally and physically torturing them to the point of insanity. Sure you MIGHT end up a massive super soldier in two tones of power armour (at which point you get to experience the absolute worse fighting the galaxy can throw at you because your a space marine cuz thats your job), but most people picked to become space marines fail and/or die long before that.nd
