Katniss notes in the books that one of the only positive sides of their government and life in the districts is that they’re allowed to marry whoever they wanted.
I mean. It's a film about a government randomly selecting children to fight to the death on a nationally broadcasted television show. Not sure how that could be anything but dark.
If I remember correctly, Lucy Gray talks about her sister having a crush on a girl from their neighbourhood while they're in District 12. I don't have a copy of the book anymore and can't check but I'm pretty sure that was mentioned and in such a casual way that it implies it's completely normal in both the Capitol and the Districts.
there's a confirmed gay and lesbian couple in the books. There was a guy who owned a music club and he and his husband helped the Snow family. And a woman in lucy Gray's band, but as far as I remember, they were cousins or just chosen family
@@solsticebaby "He and his partner, Cyrus, a musician, owned the shuttered club..." (Cyrus is a male name) "Barb Azure stayed at home, too ... 'She just started seeing a gal down the road,' confided Lucy Gray" (gal = girl)
@@lxtatar7773 Oh the club owner got it. I was confused by neighbor. I don't remember the Barb line at all. I'm going to have to go back. Interesting! Missed the part about Barb!
I feel like as far as LGBT folks, for trans folks it’s probably a lot like in the states as well. People in the capital are rich enough to afford medical care and people in the districts depending on how poor they are can’t transition.
dude people in the districts have to think about if they're going to survive until the next day, i doubt they have time to think about their gender identity
@@ruefriendtrans people still exist regardless of their situation., many indigenous peoples across the world still engaged in their two spirited identities whilst faced with colonization. i doubt it would be much different for impoverished district people!
two spirited identities arent related to transgenderism but you are right, no matter the situation trans people exist but also the other guys right too@@mollicuel
@@mollicuelyea but people from the districts arent even allowed to enjoy basic things like music or certain personal belongings, they defo aren’t allowed gender reassignment surgery💀 they are slaves to the Capitol
I think Hunter’s right on the money. I suspect that the Capitol would approach queerness w/ curiosity or fascination and would entertain it out of amusement and not bc its like… a human rights issue. Atst I can see some districts being less tolerant. A lot of ppl in the comments are saying that they wouldn’t care bc theres too much else going on, but theres a trend irl of the opposite being true. Places that are the least stable socially or economically tend to have more human rights issues. I could see some distorted version of the trans ppl in sports debate popping up as more of a Lottery situation where ppl are like “oh the trans girl should go instead of my son” or “oh they picked a trans guy and my daughter. Thats two girls. My daughter should’ve been safe”. Ppl are already rabid when the stakes are a girls’ junior soccer game; imagine the mess if it were actually life and death. I do think it would be fascinating to read an account of a trans kid in the hunger games universe. Do you count off the number of boys and girls in the your district and base your decision to transition b4 adulthood off of the outcome? Are we medically transitioning in the post apocalypse? Does your medical transition factor into which reaping bowl your name is in? What about nbs? If nb/ trans ppl were excluded entirely, would they object? Careers want to be chosen and kids in the poorer districts use the ability to put their names in several times to feed their families. Food for thought
dude people in the districts have to think about if they're going to survive until the next day, i doubt they have time to think about their gender identity
I think in a dystopian world like Panem, especially for the districts, I don't honestly think anyone would be struggling with gender dysphoria the way we do in real world America. If you look at tribes and very poverse places in real life, unlike homosexuality, gender dysphoria just isn't something that really happens. It's mostly because people don't have time to feel unease about their gender, their too busy trying to survive and feeling unease about their terrible situation. The mind tends to prioritize the most pressing matters at hand, and in a life or death situations of constant survival, gender isn't as important to your survival as food, water, shelter, and making sure your family survive is. And medical transition would absolutely NOT be available to district citizens. No way. The whole point is to oppress the districts and punish them as severely as possible. It's why Dill doesn't receive medical treatment for her tuberculosis, Bobbin doesn't receive a prosthetic arm, and Jessup doesn't receive treatment for his bat bite. If they don't offer basic medical care, they definitely don't care to offer people with gender dysphoria the chance to transition.
@@elistari1050 I also doubt folks in the district would have access to regular healthcare, let alone opportunities to medically transition! But even in really unstable times and places, gender identity is still something people think about. I've mostly studied the social history of Latin America from the colonial to 20th century, so most examples I know of are from there, but even in times of significant strife and concern for everyday survival, we see cases of people expressing gender and identity in a way that is out of the norm.
From what I remember of the books, it seemed like queerness wasn't really that big a concern in Panem? As in, bigotry of that kind doesn't seem to be as intense at least, compared to our world. It never does mention trans people, but I remember some parts of the books alluding to the idea that gay couples weren't a big deal. But I do wonder if that's different from how trans people are seen for sure :O There's already SO much going on in the world that in my head I like to imagine that racism and queerphobia and such are not super existent.
Am I mistaken, or didn't Barb Azure have a lady friend that she wanted to entertain while the rest went down to the lake? I wasn't sure whether it was a sexual relationship, I don't think that was clarified. But people who prefer the same sex have been around forever, so why not?
Definitely get the impression that the Capitol culture is a constant party, a "come one, come all!" regardless of orientation- the fashion is so dramatic and flamboyant and "out there". I can't fathom that the average person there would be hating on people for being queer.
he’s also capitol so it would fit in with what hunter is saying. However barb azure is also gay and she’s not capitol, and I swear to god if coral wasn’t a lesbian I don’t know what is
I think Hunter Schafer misses the point. There are gay side characters from both District 12 and the Capitol, and Coriolanus is indifferent. I think that Suzanne Collins wrote all of this diversity into her books in order to prove that Capitol citizens only discriminate based on two things: class status and wether you're District or Capitol. Panem is much different than the society we live in. They may not be homophobic, racist, or ableist (this last one is debatable), but even in Coriolanus's childhood, class status means everything in the Capitol, and people from the Districts are treated as less than human.
They are really ableist in the sense of survival: no one has the time or resources to be caring for severely disabled adults, or thinking about accessibility. A blind baker might survive, but a blind coal miner is dead. Greasy Sae’s granddaughter seems to be nonverbal, but self sufficient so they live a fairly decent life for D12. But an infant in need of advanced neonatal care would likely die, as people regularly starve to death and can’t afford doctors either. I wouldn’t be surprised if hydrocephalus would be common. A Seam kid isn’t going to be allowed to skip being in the mines just bc he’s overstimulated, that’s food for the day. Basically, you only live if you can support yourself because your family will suffer as well. They may however find a niche role for that person to fill in the community: I.e. different professions, giving certain jobs to that person. But chronic illness? Sorry Panem don’t care.
Idk how to say this but I knew the actor playing Snow was British even though I didn’t “know” he was British, know what I mean? He has a very British face and as soon as he spoke in the movie I could tell that American accent was fake. These redcoats are getting easier to spot when they try to change colors lmao 🤣
Well, that kinda makes sense cuz the capitol kinda has an artifice to it. In contrast to the districts, which is more real. See Elizabeth Bank's an her faux accent in the OG trilogy as well. I think it worked.
I don't think anyone cares. The books have openly gay characters but in panem people literally alter their bodies in crazy ways and have kids unalive each other and in the districts you have 0 stability so at the end of the day are you really gonna notice who your neighbor is boinking. Also the capitol is awful so does it really matter if they are lgbtq friendly when they straight up unalive people for anything they consider a slight?
I don't think she's excusing the capitals behaviour overall, just more or less highlighting some interesting real life symmetry. Having a forward thinking culture in terms of sexuality, but incredibly classist and inhumane in the other areas, is an intriguing idea I've never seen presented or explored before.
Opressed people can be lgbtphobic while suffering hunger, war and slavery. We have seen that through history, that opressed people can be opressors themselves, that's why activism has to be interseccional, a black cishet man can suffer racism while being misogynistic and lgbtphobic
She was asked a question for a promo interview I really doubt she could say every thing you said. But you're right, her answer was just more diplomatic lol
I think Berghain is the club being referred to when Tom says you "You can probably guess." (@ 4:44) in regards to where they went dancing. And as "Songbirds & Snakes" filmed in Berlin and both he & Hunter referenced its techno scene - that place makes the most sense.
the way tom talking omg such a sweetheart! he's listening to other so well. the way he asks a question to know more and how he give feedback on the answer he hears, he's the kind of person that i would love to spend time talking about anything!
That’s what I’ve been thinking about these books. If it was however many years in the future, and we continue on the political curve we’re on, having 1 boy 1 girl would be very out of place. I’m wondering if during the wars they just forgot about non binary people. Or if it really is like america, where the poorer states don’t have time to be worrying about that, while the rich are free with their self expression. Either way. Barb azure is an open sapphic, so there’s that.
Poor ppl definitely HAVE TO worry about compounded, intersectional oppression. The capitol might be permissive in aesthetic opulence, but it’s 100% in line with its colonial attitudes to enforce an ideological binary on colonized to encroach on whatever culture they have while pretending to have an enlightened ‘murican freedom. Gender expression for me (imperial core) but not for thee (colonized peoples).
Or, in this new culture, gender is viewed very different than how its understood in Western Society today. Maybe there is no need or concept for non-binary.
I’m sure the answer is that Suzanne Collins was not considering the existence of nbs/ trans ppl at the time of writing, but i also think it would be really funny if they just didnt wanna bother figuring that one out and excluded nbs entirely. They/thems sittin on the sidelines like “Damn thats rough buddy…. Anyway…” Its a trans sports ban but trans ppl are like “Aaahhh yknow… i think y’all are right. No no it would be unfair imma just… sit this one out”
@@honestlythough7250 ‘haha nooooo…as you say it would be unfair to have a man and a trans woman from the same district… haha no I haven’t started oestrogen… haha oh nooooo’
He needs to dye his hair blonde, grow it out, and leave it lol. Or at the very least grow out his hair now. The way he styles his hair throws off his appearance completely.
so true, like. If you need 18 year old snow you should rewatch the movie or USE YOUR IMAGINATION not fucking criticize what the actor wants to do with his own body
I mean, unless you are lgbt … because then it affects your whole life. I think that’s why people want to know, because they’d like to know where they fit into this fictional world. And also why Hunter’s answer is a disturbing because in her view only the most oppressive class is lgbt friendly lol
@@PajamaFeether answer makes sense though, it’s absolutely how America is now and it makes sense for that to carry in to panel seing as it’s supposed to be a dystopian version of america
@@rgtdgytdhyftyghfd5345 Yeah, it’s very possible the districts are super bigoted. I just don’t think Hunter thought it through to that degree. She’s just like, yas the capital slays
