HW News - Microsoft's Death Touch, ASUS Ally X Waste of Time, AMD GPUs Struggling & CPUs Booming 

you could potentially fully utilize quad slot if AMD allowed unlock of the 7900xtx actually, or if you just use an EVC, or custom bios The silicon can push 1GHZ of stock frequencies, upwards of 3400-3500mhz, and regularly 3300-3400 in many games if its a good sample. This leads in some loads that it'll hit 700-800w+, and in enthusiast setups as my own, I've pushed 1kW through the gpu before in 3dmark tse, and furmark. Ofc pushing this much power is a bad look for AMD, where a 4090 sips like 400w for same load, and takes 7900xtx around 750w to get even in some raster loads. (I use an EVC, but some people use Custom bios flashed which lets you push almost 600w I believe)

can we see the full zune rant? like a short series called gamers tangents?

actually amd got what they deserve for releasing 0 progress GPUs to boost obsolete consoles' chips sales and choosing not to actually compete against nv. in the perfect world the drop would be 100% as nobody should buy 0 progress hardware. same goes for nv & intel

AMD cut corners whre they shouldnt have as a result they are playing damage control w gdr6 in their GPUS instead of 7 serves them right to see where they are. i dont feel much pity 4 team red right now.

inb4 apple's silicon gets mistaken for US military hardware

I announce my agreement

Thank you for announcing your appreciation about the announcements!

Thanks.

@@OntarioGuy430 and thank YOU for announcing your appreciation of their announcement of their appreciation of the announcements!!!

Announcement boogaloo

The audience demands the uncut Zune rant!

GN-RANTS (all caps) needs to be a format!

Same!

They could publish it as a short

Bring us the Zune cut!

I need the full Zune rant video

@@NightZ3r0 We all need it, but in this video nobody wants it!

The future perfect tense joke/excitement was freaking perfect.

hahaha. Who said it first?! They both have a penchant for it. Maybe we need to investigate!

Worked 16x harder than Jensen.

​​@@GamersNexus The meme as we know it dates back to 2015 and the Fallout 4 reveal at E3, but Steve Jobs had been saying it for decades, so we're ALL wrong!

​@@TheKazragoreI'm almost certain that this goes way further back, to the before times, at least to when the first engineer smacked the first engine

Did he just say Bi-Aws @ 6:45 not BIOS? LOL

412. Most harmful of all is the message that Microsoft's actions have conveyed to every enterprise with the potential to innovate in the computer industry. Through its conduct toward Netscape, IBM, Compaq, Intel, and others, Microsoft has demonstrated that it will use its prodigious market power and immense profits to harm any firm that insists on pursuing initiatives that could intensify competition against one of Microsoft's core products. Microsoft's past success in hurting such companies and stifling innovation deters investment in technologies and businesses that exhibit the potential to threaten Microsoft. The ultimate result is that some innovations that would truly benefit consumers never occur for the sole reason that they do not coincide with Microsoft's self-interest. __________/s/_________ Thomas Penfield Jackson U.S. District JudgeDate: November 5, 1999

It's no mystery. Microsoft bought the IP, not the people. They bought training material for AI, not game studios. If for some reason they need game devs later, they'll just buy more studios. At the scale of a large tech company, people are fungible.

Non fungible people coming to a block chain near you.

@@CaveJohnsun-cg9jrThen it would’ve been nice if they started working on a Fallout spin off as soon as they could have instead after the show took off… So much mismanagement my head hurts.

@@CoDxMassacre My guess is they weren't sure the show would turn out well. I mean, the Halo show isn't driving game sales tmk.

Amazing software behind some decent good looking hardware. It was just late to the party.

Health insurance must be a nightmare (moreso than usual).

And the older you get and the bigger the gaps are on your resume due to these cuts the less likely you are to be hired. Cool world.

@@hanspecans I wonder if this has anything to do with the reason why nearly all American games are complete shit these days and why it's literally mostly just Eastern Europeans that are making great games these days. I knew it had something to do with the fucked up corporate culture. I really hope Poland, Russia, and Ukraine isn't so stupid as to copy us. The States is a failing game industry.

@@drek9k2most definitely. The ones crushing gaming continue to “fail upwards”. Devs that bust their asses on shitty exec ideas get the shaft but these white collar criminals have found their niche. Who would’ve thought we’d need better regulatory laws for the gaming industry.

I’ve been dealing with cyclical layoffs since 1994. My advice: be a contractor, not an employee; learn quickly and negotiate cleverly; reverse the direction of screwing.

Yeah that was hilarious, at 10:56 though

Best thing to do. Made me laugh and enjoy the content even more.

I'm pro Zune rant, let's get the out take.

Zune and the Toshiba Gigabeat S it was based on were fantastic. A huge leap forward from the Creative Labs Zen Touch.

I was so disappointed when my dad got me a zune when I was like 11, I told him I wanted an iPod lol, I didn't realize until later after using my friends iPod that the zune was honestly better quality, my dad passed away and I realized after seeing ur comment I never mentioned that to him and thanked him... Damn...

@@NeonValleys Your dad actually cared to give you something wow 😲 you're lucky...

​@@NeonValleyswhy do people always talk about their dead parents in RU-vid comments? Truly a mystery.

Seemingly the original ps1 is legendary for having little signal noise on the audio. It's funny how the best audio stuff is only ever really acknowledged historically.

Lol Zune actually put decent hardware into their media player. iPods have always been pretty trash quality audio in my experience, but honestly I never knew that until much later in life once I had access to actually good sound quality. Going back to the old kit for comparison was very eye opening

Definitely true. The one I was thinking of (I think) is "talent hoarding." Not sure if it has a formal name or if that is the name. Specifically, the concept of hiring people to basically prevent them from being hired by a competitor.

Yep. It takes a lot more capital to restart competition. Easy way to smash potential issues. But giben they bought a lot of these studios as a bundle, they most likely didnt exactly WANT a lot of the studios compared to Bethesda Softworks, Zenimax Online, etc

The Nokia effect.

agree, along with IP hoarding which are worth far more than the studio's were.

we live in a crony capitalist nightmare of backroom monpolies. As long as its a conglomerate and not a single company (and bribe officials through lobbying) its okay!

Microsoft never sticks with their products long to see it to fruition. The Zune and Windows Phones would be awesome now.

Windows UWP sucks

Indeed. I had the Zune HD, my brother had the older Zune Halo Edition, that one was built like a tank. IIRC at the time Zune's UI and desktop app were better, faster and prettier than iTunes. Later iTunes sorta copied the desktop apps layout with Album art etc. Also the Nokia/Microsoft phones had amazing cameras. Sad they didn't support any of it for long.

@@georgejones5019 Crazy to think a lot of the stuff WP had back then Android and iPhones got later on.

USMC?

NW A306 or HiBy R4. Or if you want something cheaper and simpler, look into getting used devices that are supported by Rockbox.

​@@christopherjames9843Certainly sounds like it. Eeruh

I had my eyes on that, when it became clear that getting a digital player might be a thing I had to do... Tragically I had just accidentally found myself with good headphones, I got them on a whim, realized I couldn't go back.. and, CD players had some for the standard of quality they hadn't quite been able to buck yet, especially if you had an older one.. so.. yeah let's just say I missed the train. Previously would have been the creative one, and by the time the zune was being attempted to be attempted to be a thing, I was a huge fan of the way Microsoft did WMA2 and all of the streaming stuff they were doing around the Seattle area.. Still would have probably quite been happy with the purchase but, unfortunately all of that seemed to die overnight.. I really don't know what it was, it could have been something at the University of Washington, could have been Microsoft or whatever but.. I saw a bunch of places just basically dropped their archives, drop streaming, or switched MP3 etc.. Just like overnight, and never talk about the previous again like it had never existed.. Man for the time that was incredible compression for music. Apple would advertise its 64K and 96K compression rate rate as a CD quality thing.. Microsoft's 96K, it wasn't exactly there, but it was close.. and it was close in the ways that mattered most. Granited this would no longer be a problem by the arrival of 4G, and the smartphone thingy... Apple users were still never going to actually understand what reality was, so quality didn't really matter.. and the rest of the interweb would be able to afford a higher a bit rate, at a loss of quality.. or they would just basically do what they had always done, which was use mP3 prior. Eventually yeah, the video compression folks would be the ones to make the next steps and those would oddly enough are only just getting implemented just now for a lot of different audio streams.. And this is of course in the wake of things like streaming services that use flac and higher bit rate MP3s, tidal apparently uses the power of origami, which they can't talk about, cuz it's a super secret! And the enshification is complete! Also apparently Spotify has achieved basic level of everyone else's quality that they had over a decade ago.. I don't know what the format is though.. probably flac, and I'm sure they screw it up somehow.. like they screwed up their mp3s to somehow be worse than everyone else's. It has occurred to me that a lot of this is a very very niche area of things, that a lot of people probably don't even comprehend existence of, especially involving radio streaming back in the day lol.. and internet radio that was almost killed overnight by the RCaa which set up the foundation for a lot of the BS we deal with nowadays! And I'm jumping all over the place with it but I'm going to leave it and post it anyways because fuck it who cares lol.. Everything is is one step forward two-step sideways and one step into some dog shit or something so you might be making progress but it's always going to feel a little worse. And usually sound terrible, unless people get used to it which I guess is what they're counting on.. next thing you know the person that didn't get used to it, thanks everything sounds like shit, cuz everybody else is broken now.

IKR. Literally the biggest company on the planet (by market cap).

The perceived value of a company is basically a lie, but also they're doing this to remove competition nothing more. If Sony didn't make the entire stupid case about them rather than how it would've hurt consumers Microsoft probably would've been blocked by other countries and the ftc but instead sony worried about exclusives...

meanwhile most people my age can't afford a home or a family

​@@honeybadger6275Corporations having record profits yet still increasing prices and letting staff go. This is late stage capitalism.

They are Worth that much that doesnt mean they have that much money

BUT YOU DO ADMIT IT'S QUADRUPLE A!

Now is the time to jump ship from console

AAAA is too trash to even let you pick a female character in character creation, have to be weird "body type" thing.

@@GamersNexus It being a quadruple is much like my academic career. You can't _really_ deny a whole lot of effort went into it, but it's evident to all aware of its existance, that it was wasted.

The biggest gaming purchase I’ve made is my Steam Deck lol

And those probably flew right over the heads of about 98% of viewers 😂

​@@IOSamnot over Kurt's head though.

@RafitoOoO like the rope?

I was questioned about what was so funny at work. Needless to say I should probably stop watching HW News at work. 😂

oh my, really! i thought i had missed them!

ooof! Is it that different there? How about the price of a 7900 XTX vs. a 4080 Super there? Those two theoretically should be pretty close. Curious what it's like in other regions!

Most of the 6000 series make much more sense than 7000 if you can find one.

I have noticed this in Australia as well, the retail is much higher than would expect for the conversion rate compared to NVIDIA cards. GRE is $550 USD so should be $830-$850 to AUD. Cheapest is $900 and this only just came down from $930. Meanwhile NVIDIA cards are all within $5 of pricing. And on the lower tier AMD cards the margin is even worse for consumers.

yeah the 6700 is a third of the price and does everything you need

​@@GamersNexus 7900xtx is around 1200 dollars in Brazil and the 4080 super is like 1500-1600

The A750 when it was $180 for a little bit was pretty insane. That was some serious old-AMD strategy!

6600 is their $200 card and it's really not that big of a jump from a 580. Still 8gb

​@@no-replies That's the complaint......

Yea if they sold a 16 GB ~$250 7800 XT or 4070 equivalent then they'd be really selling GPUs

Most likely limted waiver supply. (Nvidia and other giants are taking almost everything)They have to choose early on what they want to focus on. And 200 usd gpu just doesn't make money when taking into account inflation and higher waiver prices. 200 usd gpu are in practice dead.

It was, but it wasn't flawless

Zune was hype, especially it's software and subscription. It just came too late! Brown electronice FTW! Anyone else run the WinXP Zune theme? It was effectively the original first party dark mode!

@profosist I had the Halo 3 Edition myself, smoke grey with H3 logos! It was pretty sick looking :D

@@edwardagin9744 Microsoft know how to do some nice branding when they tried

Brown Zune FTW!

@@profosist Yes!!!! I had the same one, really wanted that Halo Edition when it came out. Sadly I forgot mine on a plane headed for a wedding back in 08. It was a sad effn day. I swear it would still be working if I had it. Who needs more than 30 gigs of music!? That was sooo much back then!

I never had one but I wanted one. 😂

@@MobileDecay I'm sure they are available on ebay if you really want one. I may just hunt for one myself. It really was such a solid device.

Yeah, I think some of that (probably a lot of it) comes from creatives who are feeling a little assaulted by AI and new tech right now. I know anytime I see someone destroying a musical instrument, I get a little bent. We all understand the idea they were tying to get across, but it still felt a little sinister.

It *is* sinister. The "positive" spin is "our goal is that your art form with centuries of tradition and years of training will not interest anyone".

A mask-off moment by a bunch of out-of-touch Silicon Valley trust fund babies? Say it ain't so!

But it's nothing destroyed there.. it was only a CGI.. or can you tell me where can i buy an emoji with that poping eye from the end of the video..? It's not real thing, just an animation...

They could have reverse the idea: opened up an iPad and zones in to see microscopic instruments, paints, sculptures and all those goodies inside the iPad. Portrays the same idea, and they could have been creative about it instead of destructive.

*definitely

Rockstar announced an announcement for a teaser (which if we're honest is just a theatrical announcement) for gta6. Thats my worst offender by far

They knew they have to do something before investor meeting and start of mass production that would inevitably lead to leaks (and some additional specs really got leaked shortly after). And this announcement of announcement definitely is.. something.

Another I've heard is "acquihire".

What talent? You seen the past decades games??

Is there a new one?

What's the "Zune"? Is it anything like the "Ouya"?

He knew he would have sounded like my dad so he cut it lol 😂

@@Omega-EPMicrosoft’s attempt at an iPod competitor, it was actually a pretty solid mp3 player

Actually it was pretty good

congratulations. buy 3 more to cover for Amd loses.

​@@magnomliman8114exactly

They're selling the 6800xt again with a new name, and a shit card (7900xt), with the only 'good' one being the $900+ 7900xtx. How many people are going to spend 2 Playstations on a GPU that sucks at raytracing, and doesn't have DLSS?

AMD prices are amazing. They just need to improve their 3d rendering performance for Blender, and Autodesk Maya. I would love to support team red instead of team green. But I can't afford to switch out the GPU in my work rig until that gets better.

​@laserak9887 you're assuming there are people other than fanboys who give a shit about ray tracing and dlss. Not interested I'm something that really don't help with making my game look better and just waste system resources. Enjoy that placebo effect.

Yeah that was pretty good

I think he just shotgunned it out there hoping something would stick. Doesn't always work out.

Most viewers aren’t old enough to get it like us old folks 😂

Smells like Teen Spirt to me!

That's Dumb, right? Those really bred themselves like rabbits!

Check out various chifi brands they have the same vibe.

I had a zune and *several* windows phones 😔

I like zune and windows phones wish they stayed around

​@@rocstarang5747 one of my co workers had a nextel windows phone. I wanted one so bad but it was extremely expensive. Like one of the first $500+ phones.

Same. I'm building a new PC and waiting for (on sale) price of 7900xtx to hit 750 to buy

Why would they lower prices when people like you are still willing to pay them.

Couldn't agree more. AMD isn't in the position to price match nvidia, AMD GPUs as a whole has far less selling points and their GPU drivers are notoriously bad

@@evertchin To be honest, nvidia drivers are worse, and nvidia is based on gimmicks like raytracing - technology from the 90s that back then got dropped because it gives very little advantage for very high cost, useful only in eye-candy games and nothing else.

@@hubertnnn nope you are full of bullshits

FR. Nvidia started this with their $1500-2000 price tag shenanigans.

I think if AMD limited itself to around $700 in the top end range (which I don't see them doing this) then NVidia will likely sell you less for more money. If AMD has nothing to compete with the 80 series and 90 series then Nvidia would have no reason not to price those cards based on pricing for professional hardware. The RX8000 series is said to only go up to something like 8800 or 8800 XT though it is said that the 9000 series will have higher end cards.

It would almost be like the good old times all over again!

​@@doc7000 Even if Nvidia increase their prices they will still destroy AMD sales

@@doc7000 Yep you write it before me. Monopoly dont work it always drop ball somewhere because they can and gauge the price. You may not like and buy AMD cards but you want them be around and kicking otherwise nvidia will just hold you hostage and like you said sell you less for more. I remember old times when government axed Microsoft and for good reason but lobbying is too strong so nobody want to use antimonopoly laws again and they should there are many corporations that are deforming market and need trimming. Its ironic that people who always preach about free market let it get captured, deformed and manipulated until something broke and then are "surprised" what happen.

Such an underappreciated piece of tech

While I don't prefer them over an ipod, especially Classic, is was a solid product with a unique software offering.

Drivers, mostly.

Rt suck, lossless running in real-time not using cpu or memory and running game native in real time zero latency no Windows. Raytracing is budget pathtracing, raytracing is done in memory and inserted so not real its rendered and fake. Powerfully computers run in real-time in the gpu lossless at limits of hardware n monitor not emulated. And n all stuff today is low spec multitasking n stuttering and can't output real rays traced in game or lossless audio you need one fast cpu on the gfx card, and fullscreen native with nothing running in background, PC ate now sold to people who don't know specs n gaming computers, buying remade games with latency and v sync on fps is a scam my tv hz are my limiting fa tor my cpu is never gonna be faster than my gtx 1080ti or z270 gigabyte board or memory my output socket is 4k and output is what it is, to use less is why Windows lowers quality n ruins gaming, all high end music n gfx studios use monolithic lossless live in n out native and n rt n multiform encores chip let's render n use codes they can't do highest quality or true 4k or 144hz audio its all downgraded to lower quality because they have restrictions by not having in real time cache in the cpu gpu it's using HD drives or memory to put it together on lower speed chips n memory. Controlled by a cpu os hence nobody bought into this scam to please shareholders we used to look at specs n play crisis not the remade low version. Try doing advanced hard real-time like a demanding game with vsync of no dlss no upscaling native like 4k batman arkham in 60hz no latency today or minecraft java 4k 3d pathtraced no pop ins no latency you can't it can't do it on rt it needs to spread it to run on lots of cores like having lots of 8bit old computers running separate bits of games because they can't do it all on one powerfully computer, we used to always get the best monolithic but gfx cards n cpu enabled cpu for loading and sound to control keyboards etc but once its in gfx card you want it all running on the gfx cards cpu not sending n off chip thinking in vram hence vram isn't ever needed once games running because its not used, today they lag waiting for vram to send next ai image or calculate the rendering WE NEVER DID THIS UNTIL TECH BECAME LOWER END BUT STACK MORE TO SELL OF LAST REJECTS OF SILICONE DIES FROM 20 YEARS AGO THEN LIE BY ADDING THE NUMBERS GTX 80TI WERE THE LAST HIGH END NOW ITS SUB PAR N GAMES ARE LESS COLOURS LAGGY N LOWER POWER WILL ALWAYS MAKE IT LESS YOU CANT HAVE PERFORMANCE GAINS N BETTWR COMPUTERS WITHOUT MORE POWER N MAKING THE SOCKET DOUBLE SIZE SHOULD HAVE RED FLAGGED THEY ARE JUST MORE CHIPS PRETENDING TO BE ONE BY LYING, MORE LANES MEANS LOWER SPECH N CAUSES RENDER AND AI TO SIMULATE A REAL CPU BUT IT DOES THIS WITH INSERTING IMAGES USING AI SO YOU DONT NOTICE N SAYING 30FPS IS 90FPS TO THOSE WHO DIDNT SEE THEY GOT SCAMMED, LOOK AT SPECS , LANES N HOW 8 BUTS TO A BYTE IS SENT FASTEST IN REAL TIME BY 8 LANES OF 0 N 8 LANES OF 1 DOWN 8X2 PCIE16X X MEANS 2 ACTING AS 1 BUT THATS THE FASTEST WE SEND DATA ALL AT ONCE IN 16BIT FROM CPU BUT GAMES CAN USE 64BIT ON A MONO CORE CHIP ON GPU HENCE PCIEX16 IS NOT NEEDED AS IF DATA GOES BACK TO CPU YOUR GFX CARD IS HELD BACK to 16bit waiting times 102 die or above any and is restricted by not able to do full speed on the fly in gaming or pathtraced 3d gfx hence Poppins n lag but they now creator pcs jack of all trades but can't do 4k lossless hq audio on the fly hence the obs debacle and unity engine downgrades games, Sony used to go the high end full speed route but Microsoft n and made games now slowly depend on cpu, old games won't tun now n vice versa but all new titles are written to be on emulated lower hardware death of gfx cards so steam os n 80ti gtx are never worth upgrading from and Windows 11 is emulating your games to a lower power n always running.

@@ScoopDoggno way anyone reading all that

Here's hoping.

I got the rx7900xtx it is a hell of a beast, I can even play at 8k for some games, I have no idea why people don't buy it, it costs half of the 4090 where I live

Ive been seeing em under 900 like the powercolor hellhound etc

Am good​@@eltonmsn

Saw the red devil for that price but only for a day maybe a pricing error on amazon

Oddly I got a Zune from someone at a Halo 3 launch party. They traded it to me for paying their pre-order. :P

Every time prices fall micron and western digital claim some fire or accident messed up their production.

I just want the storage I paid for

Is that so? Got my first SSD in 2013 (240GB). the price i paid for it back then now can get me two 2TB Nvme gen 3.

Consumer hasn't. Enterprise has.

​@@arenzricodexd4409 I still remember the days when 16GB USB drives costed as much as 512GB+ costs now.

Brown Zune

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​@@GamersNexus We are pleased with this continued high quality content

thats how it is in the us as well

That $100 Nvidia premium pays for DLSS and RTX performance so it's typically a no brainer for most people. FSR needs to catch up badly or AMD need to price aggressively low with top tier rasterisation powerhouses

@@capablanc Yep that's why I went nvidia.. I always enable RT in games nowadays.

Also for you EU people, the 4080 12GB SUPER 16GB uses like, 100W irl less than the 7900xt. After a year or two with high power prices, the overall price is basically the same. I don’t understand how AMD can sell cards for that close of a price over there.

@@capablanc Not to mention, the 4080 beats the 7900 XTX in efficiency and cooling. It truly is worth at least $200 more than the 7900 XTX (although neither were worth launch MSRP).

Shiuld be able to fix it up. It a bit harder than iPod since parts are not readily available but should be possible.