Never put equipment of that weight in your pockets. If your trouser rips, it could land on your feet and crush them. I always walked around with an 1000 pound anvil in my pocket and learned the hard way.
The Milwaukee definitely surprised me, wasn’t expecting it to continue to work. Funny how they’re not made in the USA, but they’re imported from Germany
the Milwaukee one is actually a relabeled/rebranded NWS and is the same as being sold under NWS, Engelbert Strauss and Berner for example... I got the Engelbert Strauss Version of some of their tools at home... damn good quality... like a lot of Knipex as well
Those expensive Milwaukee pliers are actually made in Germany. They have the "Solingen" marking on them. Solingen is a famous German steel producing town in the Ruhr valley. They are imported from Germany and sold under the Milwaukee brand in the USA. The "Milwaukee" logo appears to be only printed on them. The 1970s pliers have CRV marked on the handle, that usually means Chrome Vanadium steel, a very strong steel alloy.
When measuring correctly, the nail must always be at the same distance from the axis of the pliers. The small deviation makes the big difference in the measurement. Of course, all nails should have the same diameter and hardness. Only below these processes can one properly condemn the tools. PS: The crush test must also be carried out in the same work step, i.e. the distance between the axis of the tongs and the press cylinder must always be the same during the measurement.
Even funnier: Check where Knipex is located in Germany and where Solingen is. ;) Knipex is producing in Solingen as well so this "Milwaukee" pliers is actually a knipex product with milwaukee branding.
There are also a lot of unknown companies that manufacture for other brands, all about advertising and commercial business. Agreements to buy the name. ...business!
Nah the knipex is just not made for electrical use, heavier and multicomponent insulation grip would be inert for this video so he chose the simplest of each. Just that knipex has that option is indeed nostalgic in a way
The "US"-brand is clearly indicated as "Solingen". And that's in Germany. The more: to have a precise measurement of the cutting force the center of the nail to the turning point og the pliers AND the distance from that pont to the hydraulic press must be THE SAME in all experiments.
The funny thing is, that on the Milwaukee Blade is written „Solingen“, which is a german city known for its good blades. So it‘s not an american but also a german product in fact.
Most of Milwaukee products are made in China (2/3) some in Canada, Germany, Czechia, Taiwan. This video is aiming to show USA products are best, but no. Hopefully they are made to a US specification rather than just rebadged. Current Milwaukee pliers are made in Taiwan.
the milwaukee was also made in germany... you see the "Solingen" on the pliers... thats a city in germany, well known for factories prod. sharp knifes and good tools
considering the time the old one is produced and beating many other products of today is a great story. Loved it. we dont have milwakee toos in Turkey. we use mostly german tools in our company.
True, thought the same. "NWS Tools Germany" is the real manufacturer of those. They have a variaty of qualities, from cheap to really good. I think they are competing with Knippex head on. However they always have that "little extra", for example the nut grabber in the cutting bay. I got a whole set of the VDE-Version; they are truely awesome.
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The distance from the hinge to the nail significantly changes the mechanical advantage/leverage of the tool and changes the amount of force required to be applied to the handles in order to cut the nail. The distance should ideally by the same in all comparison testing.
Less the absolute distance but the relative position on the cutting blade. If the design has a mechanical advantage this should also show over just how sharp the blade is. Especially since you can just take a file and sharpen them yourself.
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There is a comment that went somewhat unnoticed, in which a Polish said that "Yato" manufactures all the tools in China, and that the best from Poland is "Coval" or "Kuźnia". In good faith I believe in his words; because in the test there is a little cheating by presenting an American pliers that is actually German. Greetings from Chile.
The Milwaukee is obviously a rebranded NWS Combimax that is made in Solingen, Germany. The Knipex and the NWS are both at 16 Euros here in Germany. Charging almost twice the price is incredible.
The Milwaukee pliers are stamped "SOLINGEN". This is a German designation of origin for quality tools from the town Solingen, Germany. Looks like NWS tools pliers.
It is not only looking, it is NWS pliers! Felo also use NWS as OEM supplier of pliers. Those unique features are patented (like Vampliers unique features, that are actually made in Japan by Engineer Inc.), so companies just pay and buy branded end product.
It's important to measure the weight at equal distance from the pivot point since even if the downward force is the same, torque is greater when applied further away from the pivot point 💡
@@benco1085 yup! And another factor someone else mentioned is that the same thing applies to the nail. It also needs to be kept at a constant distance from the pivot!
From a person who has to use side cutters every day, great video! I would just point out though that the Milwaukee pliers are a German design, and are also made in Germany.
Also I pointed out (having used linesman pliers for 20+ years) that putting a nail or wire farther back towards the pivot will decrease the force needed to cut something. A few of the tests the nail was in different positions and farther forward will increase the force needed.
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Milwaukee. Is a US brand. but the pliers shown in the video were produced in Solingen, a city in Germany. It even says on the tongs. Its name is the only city in the world to be protected as a trademark. A novelty that Solingen owes to its cutlery industry: more than 600 years of blade and metal craftsmanship characterize the cityscape. So it is not a US pliers. But a Solingen on which Milwaukee printed its name. Nice greetings from Germany. And thank you for liking our tool. I myself like US trucks better than German cars😁.
Felt sorry for the 70s pliers-they’d managed to survive for that long and were qualitative enough to put a nice competition with the other ones. Nice vid though!
Like the test but anyone who has used side cutters (linesman pliers) knows that putting the nail or wire etc farther back in to the cutter makes the cut easier. If the same nail is in different positions on the different tools cutter, it will effect how much force is needed to cut whatever it is your cutting.
@@tamas7555 the best way to test it is on the edge of the straight of the arms before they angle. And pressure should be made at an angle for maximum efficiency. Like a 21 degree angle. Like you put pressure on pliers if it is too strong to cut the less energy costing way, where the arms are edging and press straight down. Everyone can understand the pliers are way less effective there to cut though stuff and easely break if you put some muscle into it.
i have at home SIX, yes 6, of those pliers from 1970 :)). they were bought sometime between 1983 and 1985 but anyway, its exactly that like in the video. and they still resist, they are awesome
Wow, the "Milwaukee" pliers is actually a German NWS Combimax just with different grips and the Milwaukee logo slapped on it. I can buy that exact same model for about 25 dollars here in Switzerland, but since Switzerland generally has higher prices than the rest of Europe, I'm sure you can buy it for even less in the European Union. That margin is ridiculous..
Yes the Milwaukee is Made in Germany you can get it for 17 Doller. The German from Knipex is the 12 Doller and the cheapest Knipex you can get. The NWS is 17 Doller. Prices in Germany
I think the lesson here is unless you have a way to apply 1,000 pounds of pressure to a pair of linesman pliers, get vintage pliers at a yard sale or swap meet for $2.
Yeah right!? Old stuffs were made to last… New stuffs just compromise quality for a lower price. Anytime I browse people’s yard sale, I always look for good old stuff. They don’t make them like that anymore! Or you need to fork out $45 for a pair of pliers!
@@ChieflauNYC yep! I have the 1970 pliers. They were mu grandpa’s. I didn’t even have to pay $2! I try to use at least one of his tools on every project I do.
They all will last forever as long as you don’t put it under a hydraulic press😂😂😂 that is why they call it hand tools🤦🏻♂️ specifically designed to be used by your hands not on a freakin press😫
@@ChieflauNYC "compromise quality"? Maybe if you're using the pliers to prop up your car, but most people use pliers with their hands, and none of these pliers would break in your hands. So I think it's worth it to compromise its lifetime under a hydraulic press to have a lower price
For amateur of all amateurs I'm very happy to go with Chinese $3 dollar shop plier. No way I can apply 200KG+ force on it, looks the quality is actually better than I expected. But of course if I'm a Pro then it is a different story.
Side cutters aren’t designed to cut 4mm nails. Totally agree for ‘amateur’ / diy / infrequent use budget pliers are probably sufficient, however if you’re an electrician using them day in day out got for the best / most durable you can afford.
@@jojojo9240 If you are someone who works for a living with these tools everyday, it´s ok to spend more in quality. But if you are an office employee who just want a plier to hold a nut or cut some wire at home, the cheaper one will be enough. Just that.
For this test to be truly equal the press needs to apply pressure the same distance from the pivot point on each tool. Otherwise short handle tools will seemingly get higher numbers due to less torque at the handle. Remember Torque = Force x Distance. Or in this case, Force = Torque / Distance.
which goes some way to explain how I broke a pair of 3 foot long (approx) manual cable shears many years ago when chopping up some cables that in hindsight might actually have been a tad too much for them - no hydraulic press required!
You can’t test this way, ITS WRONG the distance from the nail to the shaft should be the same on all models and also the distance from the press to the shaft should be the same
As an electrician i cringed when the first subject to be cut was a freaking nail for 2 reasons: -wire cutters are made to cut COPPER WIRES. Yeah some can cut nails too, but you'll notice a reduction in effective wire cutting quite quickly if you do decide to use it for things it wasn't intended to do. -there are so many better tools to deal with nails in whatever situation. It is like using a regular pair of scissors to cut down a tree. You shouldn't and you might get through a tree eventually, but both you and the scissors are worse off.
As an asshole in concrete, they do a lot more than tie up junction boxes. They'll cut steel wire, steel mesh, tie wire, remove nails, and a many more fun and games.
Why does that matter? This is already a pointless video because no one is gonna accidentally break their pliers by applying 200 kg force on the handles.
Interesting video. As an Australian, I would have to say that, while most of the brands tested are available here, they are not the most common. I suspect that the Chinese offerings are sold here by major hardware and automotive accessories chains under their own brand names. The best known Australian brand is Sidchrome, I have two of their 160mm combination pliers. One from the 1970s with handles dipped in PVC as insulation, one from the 1980s with fancy moulded grips and chrome plating. The earlier model is much thicker and made of harder steel. Unfortunately, many Sidchrome tools are now made in China. I would love to see a comparison with an Australian made Sidchrome, Swedish Bahco and a quality Japanese brand such as Hozan. I would expect the Bahco to be at least as good as Knipex. Unfortunately, I don't have a massive hydraulic press in my garage, so I'll have to be content with speculation.
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Best American-Made lineman's pliers are Klein J-2000, but they weren't tested. And I think those Milwaukees are made in Germany, at least that's what the stock number shows
If he had used expensive Polish tools and cheap German tools, the result would have been completely different. The German tool should work six times better to be profitable, but it's not.
I have a pair of heavy duty Klein side cutters from the 90's and as much hell as I've put them through cutting random things that needed to be cut, they've outshined any cutters i have. Still sharp, still in perfect condition. They're about $40 at Home Depot for a pair of the same side cutters.
Milwaukee ... stamped "Solingen". The tool maker town of Germany. Btw. some damage on the cutting edge are resulting of the plier tongues snapping close against each other after cutting the nail. You don't want the snapping counter force down your wrist. 4 mm steel is needing a dedicated heavy wire cutter. The costs of injuring your hand/wrist is higher than buying the proper tool.
the thing about tools is this: How many times have you been in a jam or had a major problem, and something as mundane as a hand tool, rescued you? I love 'em and collect them whenever i can.
I have those side cutter pliers in my tool box. They are SOLID!! Use them all the time and now realize I'll have a hard time replacing them if I ever need to
I’m 72 and the last compression test I did I scored 35 kilos..so I’ll be good with my 40 year old Klein until I can’t squeeze no more. I always love watching tests like this.
i used to have these Finnish made pliers somewhere from the early 1900s and I swear i could cut 6 mm nails no problem hand forged by a skillful blacksmith in the ages of peak tool making
Interesting test. But in my opinion if all the pliers are at different price points, it would be mildly inappropriate to specify which countries they were from. And the fact that you didn't put the nail in the same position for each test just renders the outcome of the tests flat out worthless. Milwaukee one is from Germany as well btw.
I would have liked to see more consistency in the placement of the nail. Just 1 mm forwards or backwards will have a huge impact on the force needed to cut the nail
Not sure if this was an accurate test because 1) the nail didn’t look like it was put in the same place in each pliers and 2) the distance between the center of the jaw pin to the center of the press shaft looked different for each pliers. The distance between the end of a lever and where the fulcrum is can make a huge difference in the amount of force required to move the lever.
Just another test that is inaccurate, well to a degree. As for sake the best tool was the 1970 model. You are right but the quality of the alloy and thicknesses (amount) of metal used plays a role as well.
Ofcourse it's not accurate I'm sure a 2 dollar china to a 45 dollar "USA" isn't the same. It should at least be the same price if not country. It's not accurate at all to compare them.
No matter which country is the tool produced in, one thing is always true: high price=high quality. Vice versa. Countries like China also have excellent tools, it just depends on whether you are willing to pay more.
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Interesting: The Wilwaukee one shows the name of my hometown ‚Solingen‘, which is a town in Germany and famous for its knifes and cuttleries, e.g. Zwilling, Güde, Dreizack etc.
Excellent Work :-)) The Milwaukee are made by NWS of Germany, just like some of their screwdrivers are made by Witte of Germany, Good quality and on par with Whia, Wera, Felo and Gedore/Stahlwille :-))
Incrível como os grãos do aço, bem ali na ruptura, do alicate da década de 70, são quase imperceptíveis. Isso demonstra a qualidade no tratamento que foi dado bem como indica que as discordâncias na estrutura cristalina foram minimizadas: "se as discordâncias não se moverem, a deformação plástica não ocorre!"
Creo más bien que no observaste bien el área transversal de la parte que se vence y rompe. El grosor en esa parte que se corta es muy muy pequeño en comparación a las otras pinzas, sí se llega a notar el grano pero hay que poner mucha atención. Velo en cámara lenta. Es aún más sorprendente ver que una pequeña área transversal soporta lo mismo que otras con mayor área transversal.
Only reason why you don't see everyone in the comments going "cHiNa pRoDuCt cHeAp n wOrThlEss" Couldn't confirm their bias on this one hahahahhahaahahhaa
Well we live in a world where people should really stop using throw away products that dont last long. Also the price could also be cheap not just because of low quality material but also what the people who make them get.
@@smarty265 the dollar goes further in many other countries. you can get better standard of living on a lower budget in China than the US. with the amount of automation throughout the supply chain the human cost is less and less relevant, it's just that China has built massive factory cities with massive economy of scale, many are not easily replicated in other nations which is why so many factories are still in China even with China being antagonized and higher labor cost than the other SE Asian nations. the US used to have factory cities back in the day when they were producing for the world, but they are now a part of the rust belt. not easy to mobilize a work force of hundreds of thousands, build an entire city ecosystem revolved around manufacturing, the bureaucracy alone is difficult for many nations. China has structured itself to reduce red tape for massive mega projects and adapted to it for decades now. way too simple to just say China products suck and cheap because cheap labor, trade would have never established there if better competitors exist. cheaper labor has not been an advantage of China for a long time now
the "american" product called "Milwaukee" does not come from the USA. It also comes from Germany, from Solingen to be precise, and has the ISO standard 5746, which was also developed in Germany.
Nice discussion here, sometimes in addition about the impact of the position of the press intender on the handle. But if you compare the results of the destroiying test, the question is. What value do we get with a load difference between 282 to 453 kg, a load which nobody can intend with the hand on the grippers. Even by extending the grippers with two tubes of apr. 20 - 25 cm it is not possible to get such load into the pliers. The only reasonable test is the cutting test, but as mentioned, with such a big nail and a load of minimum 120 kg, this is also not realistic because no one can bring up this force with the hand. Such plier cutters are limted to smaler steel wire maybe up to 2 mm and copper wire. Important for the quality is the cutter sharpness and even more the durability by a correct heat treatment.
There are a couple of people in the world that can generate 120 kg++ of pinching force with 1 hand. I bet if they extend the grippers that they can get something similar to those numbers.
All about moments of force, the comparison should have been made with hydraulics resting on the levers of all pliers with same distance from the fulcrum. Same goes with the nail used as load. I think the data is not that accurate as it looks.. but intersting video nonetheless ☺️👍
@RU-vid Commenter Good point. Poor quality has always been around. Though I´m not sure overall. There were no home depot shops with chinese trash offers back in the 70ies. It was more normal to repair something and not just dump and rebuy things. Maybe mantality was more quality friendly. And people asked a pro to do the job.
@@user-ge8dn8sc4n Yes, I personally find tools made in the Republic of China (Taiwan) to be of very high quality. However, in my branch of precision engineering, tools made in Switzerland are the actual standard... high-quality products require the best tools and materials without compromise...
On the Milwaukee USA (?) pliers you can read, Solingen. That is a city in Germany. In that city there is a factory that produces the Knipex plier blades. You can connect the dots yourself....
I would love to see some pry bars, including the Milwaukee pry bars because they claim the I beam design won't bend, so when they do reach that failure point are they going to snap(which seems like the worst thing a pry bar could do when failing)
In my daily life as a motor bike mechanic, I have broken over 4 pliers so far and still counting . I just had to put this here to feel better about my accomplishments
