Could it be that the laptop has 2x GPUs? My Lenovo has the GPU on the CPU and a separate GPU. When I use a 2nd monitor, I typically see one GPU drive one screen, while the other GPU drives the other. This may explain the difference in latency that we see.
Already got two, ha ha. First, I'd like to implement this to connect one mini PC to a portable 15 inch monitor intended to mirror Serato, this setup wpuld add a workable screen to my DJ controllers. The second is just more simple since I'd like to connect the transmitter to my PC and the receiver to my pen display to liberate it from sharing the same desk with my regular monitor. I'm not sure of it will work, but it's worth trying.
@@shanez1215 To date, there have been two purpose-built wireless VR adapters marketed and sold in the last 3 years. The TPCast and the 60Ghz HTC Wireless Adapter. It seems Intel is making their Wigig stuff more accessible to companies who want to use it. The HTC Wireless Adapter that first used it was $300
I agree. I've seen "wireless" HDMI dongles and they're god awful garbage. This is insane. I'm surprised it's on Kickstarter. This looks like a finished product. The packaging and accessories look finished.
This tech will be much more useful when they start baking it into devices. Distance will not get much better because of the high frequencies used. It's also going to be great for large file sharing and backup as the technology matures.
@@hillppari I should have been more specific. I was referring to in home/office applications. With high gain directional antennas and LOS(line of sight) you could definitely pull a lot more out of it. It could be a good solution to "last mile" internet connectivity but at that frequency I suspect even high humidity could cut the bandwidth dramatically if you push the distance to far.
Yep. 2020 and we need a huge dongle just for seing the phones' contents on the big screen. Technology was already more convinient, when MHL used to be inside phones. I don't need wireless transfer at all, it doesn't even make much sense considering how fast the battery is empty anyways. Just a way for having the image on the screen is needed..
@@michelvanbriemen3459 lcd has its own switching latency. from grey to white. pixel in lcd constatly switch to block light or allow to pass it. wired hdmi doesnt have latency.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 makes sense the monitor hes using is the new benq ips 5ms monitor. Most laptops have more than 5ms response time if it's a none gaming one.
Whilst this may well be the case, it's also possible that it's simply an artefact of the rolling shutter from the camera. The easiest way to check for this would be to repeat the test with the screen positions swapped. Regardless, this device is indeed very impressive, hopefully, this hints the end of this era of cables. Is this the same specification as the vive wireless adapter? because that uses some nasty alien antennas on the head, would be amazing if we can get wireless VR in this kind of form factor!!
I'm a backer, 1 month later after filling out the survey I still haven't gotten a shipment or tracking number. The ones that did receive it report it being FAR from the quality of your video, constant artifacting, jittering, latency and pairing issues where you couldn't cast from a distance of over half a meter. I was blown away by this video and backed it, but so far, seems like a scam, so anyone else getting impressed by this, don't bother.
Just came in the mail today, tried it out, didn't work, only static signal and the signal would cut off constantly. I didn't connect it directly to a TV, it was on a HDMI Switch that is connected to a Capture Card in order to visualize the video feed directly on my PC without the need of recording beforehand. It's important to mention that it sends the feed in HDCP mode, which can make the feed incompatible with a wide range of devices. it might had worked if I connected it directly to a TV or Monitor, but I didn't even bother trying because it failed in the usecase I wanted to use it in. Was the highest tier backer where you get all the extras plus a small bag with a zip to put everything in it, disappointed, It'll be catching dust in there for the coming years.
@@jedimojojojo1603 I could be wrong, bu I'm fairly sure the switch lite doesn't have the hardware to output video like the full size version. No cables will work.
The thing is in the future, the Nintendo Switch 2 or whatever could have a transmitter built in and a receiver inside the dock, so the handheld would be a second screen and the dock would receive the signal wirelessly for the first screen and display on the TV. It would be a Wii U but reversed, the "wireless tablet" would be the console itself, opposed to the Wii U.
My mind immediately goes to using this to hook up a projector wirelessly to either just one device or even an AV receiver to have multiple inputs. That would make cable routing a non-issue, but I don't know how long term use of this would fare. Still sick though!
Good idea for a secondary system probably, for a Primary one, you will be loosing the UHD resolution/ HDR / .... . But i like your idea for a wireless video Zone 2 !
HistoryAmazigh zone 2 is probably a no go, I’m pretty sure the connection requires line of site. Note that the monitor attachment is design specifically to move the receiver beyond the edge of the screen.
So I backed this on Kickstarter after seeing this video. Once it arrived I promptly plugged in to my laptop and external screen. The lag was horrible, so I packed the Hyper Mirror up and put it away. Today, I decided to try it out again - this time with iPad Pro and a TV. This time it worked as advertised - until I laid the iPad flat on the table, which cut the connection completely. It was then that I remembered that in my first test the laptop itself was placed between the receiver and the transmitter. This leads me to the conclusion that the 60 mm wave has the same weakness as the IR - the receiver and the transmitter must see each other at all times. Hopefully this limitation will be removed in the future version of this technology.
@@KinnArchimedes it's much better then it used to be, i use it on my laptop alot when i want to edit or type things on my phone but with a desktop interface, its nice that the phone is Also charging. It males a massive difference between usb2.0 and 3.0 type c cable understandably so. Give it a try again it's actually and i hate to say this almost a laptop replacement.
@@adriaanserrao2016 yea dex is kinda shitty on my note 8 but pretty good on the tab s6 and s10+. Tab s6 has basically zero weaknesses now since OneNote finally got rid of the lag using the s-pen along with the big Samsung notes update
Until I saw the slow motion I was sceptical, but this is amazing. Almost incredible. I would try to stress test it. This is the kind of stuff that is going to embedded inside everything someday. Amazing.
Diego Opazo yes Bro.... i think same think with you... try 8k video, try on old phone like s5, or any method that can try to how strong This device can go...
zerocal76 This time not yet... but if you want to test the product, you have to test till the best of them is out... at least i didn’t said 12k with 120 fps 😅
DO NOT BUY!!!!! Commenting in the hopes someone sees this. I guess early supporters received devices, but they are now taking the money without fulfilling contributions, even though they say there are some left. Crooks.
I'm sure there are prototypes in existence, but this would be very promising for wireless PC VR. The only solution I'm aware of is for the Vive, but that's a couple of years old and I believe they compress the video on that. Oculus Quest can do it with a sideloaded app, but still has a 30ms latency. If this had a resolution up to 4k at 90hz it would be ideal.
My guess is the laptop is 60hz and the bigger monitor was 120hz like me mentioned earlier in the vid a la less input lag/refresh rate so it responds faster to the right button mouse click.
One major thing to note, millimeter wave does NOT go through solid like WiFi would. You need a direct line of sight between the receiver and transmitter for this to work effectively. If that line of sight is broken, the connection will be interrupted or dropped. ASUS has actually released something like this already with the ROG phone. Millimeter wave (mmWave) is also one of the few implementations for 5G networking.
Yeah, mmWave has been a concept talked about for over a decade as the basis for IP-based cellular telephony and data connections. The biggest issue has always been overcoming the inherent coverage limitations due to the exceptionally high frequency used to transmit/receive data. At this point, carriers are just building out 5G mmWave cellsites every 500 feet in the city centers and nearby suburbs with existing fiber deployments while using lower range radio frequencies for broader coverage at the expense of lower speeds. I genuinely wonder if this device would interfere with any nearby mmWave cellsites and devices.
The idea is very cool. The thing is that it only supports 1080p. So maybe in the future when an 4K option would be available I'll purchase one. Because I would pair this with a PS4 Pro/PS5/PC and I want that 4K/HDR/RayTracing to be supported while using this device. I understand that it's a Kickstarter but this would have been cool a few years back when 1080p was enough. But to come out today with only 1080p capabilities is kind of late. Still a perfect device for 1080p though.
6:10 Zero lag is a big claim and in this case is false. You can clearly see that there is latency when the guy is clicking in the smartphone (look at the pink light at the screen), if I can see it in video there is no way there is no lag, and that's a big no for gaming.
Yeah, just putting "0" in their marketing claim for latency alongside the very precise numbers for wifi and Bluetooth felt very sketchy. This might not be an image from the company itself. You can find it at 2:07 in the video. Even just stating "
The tp cast and htc wireless adapter use the same 60ghz wireless method. Just are for oculus rift and htc vive/vive pro only. I have the htc wireless adapter and while it's fairly good it uses quite a bit of cpu power to compress the signal then send it over since its higher res with high frame rate. Buy the latency is impressively good.
Even I had this idea, did some research but it got lost in my busy work-life schedule. But I'm happy somebody did achieve this!! 👏👏👏 Fantastic job done.
I think this thing serves better for hooking up laptops and smart phones/tablets, where you want quick hookup and as little cables as possible. For regular game systems i'm not seeing the practical point. Not much point in using this on normal wired game systems. You still need to hook the system up to power and the system is usually next to the monitor/tv your gaming on so whats one extra cable hdmi? I'd personally rather plug an extra cable instead of latency. This is better for those who want to quickly show whats on a laptop/phone/tablet without having to run multiple cables.
This would be perfect for this portable arcade stick I'm building. Definitely better than hanging a hdmi cord across living rooms. Best use scenario in my eyes! What do you think ETA?
I was thinking about that too but for emulation retro gaming off a laptop. No more laptop off the the side near the TV. Will build an arcade box later on also :D
Makes me wonder why mm-wave, having been in existence since 2008 has not gained more traction from large corporations because practical uses re out there and it's a big part of the whole 5G infrastructure. I can see hardcore gamers going for something like this but at the base price of $99, not likely to catch on in a big way right now. But I am guessing that a few companies out there will be following progress and so expect it to become something that we will see more of over the next couple of years. The fact that it has not only taken what is essentially a no name brand to bring it to any kind of market in 12 years is quite astonishing since wireless everything has been one of the great goals for a long time now. When something comes out around the $50 point then I would jump in but for now I'll watch and see how development progresses.
It will catch on. 5 meter HDMI cables are about 50 bucks and I would definitely pay double for this. Only problem is it can't do 4k 120 like those HDMI 2.1....
I don't understand. This tech is commercially available for 3 years now. Why isn't it an industry standard? Miracast is horribly outdated and inconsistent and Chromecast is extremely limited, even with the new update that removes the need for a WiFi middle man
This is impressive. I'd really like to see some close-up shots of the image on the monitor. I'm assuming there is some compression, but is the bitrate so high that you either can't tell, or is there genuinely enough bandwidth that there's no lossy compression at all?
There are quite some errors in that table Wifi doesn't have a 200ms latency, but rather 2-3ms, while Bluetooth actually has 200ms, so the numbers are flipped. Although newer Bluetooth codecs can do around 40ms these days.
Guys, before backing this project, make sure to read the comments of backers. I backed it but was immediately turned off by the comments. Many are receiving incomplete items, DOA units, experiencing bad customer service, etc. I quickly refunded my contribution.
Hi, does it transmit sound as well? Say I plug the transmitter on my phone and screen it to the TV, does sound plays or do I need to plug my phone to another speaker to play the sound. Thank you in advance!
It doesn't work as well for IOT because of the limited range and can't pass through objects as well. You could connect your phone to your TV to cast but you couldn't be able to control it with Google Home if it's not a smart TV.
I would love to see this work with a Xbox Series X and a PS5 a couple rooms away. Does MS Auto HDR work? Will you show Dolby Vision if it comes from a device that has it?
This is way better than the lightning cable adapter to HDMI for my iPad. The latency was so terrible that I couldn’t use it and I paid around 50 bucks for it.
They really should just say "0" noticeable latency, because 0 latency would be 0.0ns latency and this device definitely has more than that it couldn't not as even moving a foot over wire has a delay higher than 0.
Would love to see an update ETA as MANY of the backers of this device are reporting terrible performance. I am wondering if it is just people trying to use a device that does not support DP over HDMI or if there is an issue with production models. Any chance you got a production unit and can provide an updated review or were you paid for your review and can't offer an update. And by paid I mean no disrespect.
I would use this for my Dex gaming Emulation. That way I can sit on the couch with my phone next to me instead of across the room. Usually if something happens with anything, I have to walk over to my phone just to change things. This would be super convenient even with the price.
That is pretty badass! If you had an HDMI hub you could put the transmitter on the output and switch between a few devices and send then to a display on a wall and maybe a DVD player, media/gaming PC and consoles all in a nice cabinet or under the coffee table. No wires seen. very cool.
Surprised to see this has been on Kickstarter. I've seen this the first time in 2013 from Silicon Image. The frequency is so high, the signal bounces off the wall rather than going right through. So as long as you have line of sight it works great...
@@SnoopKatt I mean, think of it this way: If you have a laptop that you carry around with you but also like to use with an external monitor when you're home, this would be a great way to do that without having to deal with extra cables. Just sit down and plug the device in. Seems like it could have some real uses
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This would actually be amazing to have for the Switch if Nintendo was so kind to allow us to passthrough video out of the Type C port without the need for additional power.
In the racing game is always lagging behind the phone screen, the timer inside the game is too small to get the exact numbers but they look different all of time. I would say one or two frames behind.
Almost went to go order one, then I watch some more videos that actually test it with higher frame rate media and didnt sit the two devices inches from each other. Not great! Lookup TechteamGB's video
@1:55, LOL, I have a private WIFI networking running without any internet connection... (BS: Require Internet...) No router, just a network switch tied to an 802.11ac WIFI radio. I'm just saying, why mention the internet as a requirement? Why not mention that the 60GHz wireless HDMI wont transmit through many walls or may have range limitations.
Man....don't remind me about dex. I miss that crap. I wish there was a valid alternative for the a51 that'd go into it automatically. And geez I've never been this early to a vid XD
I am looking for a solution to replace physical USB C to USB A cable. I am about to purchase Samsung Tab S8 Ultra, and I want to use it as a second screen, but without a cable, and without Wi-Fi (I don't even have Wi-Fi on my PC). Is there a solution for that specific problem? I want to be able to be 5-6 meters from the PC and have minimum to no lag, which is impossible with Wi-Fi. And I don't believe that 5 meter long USB C cabel will work as well. Any suggestions?
How about HDCP Support? How about Multi-Channel Audio? I assume the is no backchannel implemented. If yes it is not suitable to say for every content as the most content needs confirmed HDCP. I know I'm a little late but maybe can still get an answer😅.
Who is this company tho? Likpok? Where do they come from? 60GHz wireless display casting already exists, but devices are usually big boxes costing over €200... Can we really trust them to ship the product after the campaign, or to be yet another random Kickstarter scam?
I see that the Kickstarter page claims compatibility with Nintendo switch. I’m sure that is true if it’s docked, can you confirm that it works without the dock?
The higher the bandwidth, the less compression necessary, the less time spent decoding, the less latency. I'm glad 60Ghz is good enough, and that we won't need to move up to ionising radiation.
man, I had an idea, but n know if it can work: I want to get a portable monitor with touch and connect this hdmi transmitter, so that I can use my personal computer being reasonably distant from it. There is a farm 10 meters away from my house and I want to use the computer in the middle of nature, but I don't want to spend so much on a notebook, because I also want to use the same files and environment that I usually use. Do you think this is feasible?
Can you stream from a pc to an ipad/tv? Like playing a pc game in 144hz (display port) and it streams to a tv/ipad while maintaining that high refresh rate.
