Hyundai Kona, a game changer? | Fully Charged 

Freedom units.

Was gonna comment the same thing! :)

Indeed. I just happy they're using kWh and not BTU or MPGe... Although I did hear something about lbs-ft, but I assume that's how many times you have to walk to work to afford one.

@@RazsterTW Liberia units.

@thecouchtripper How much is 58 F in Celsius?

They have some very long tunnels on the continent.

Didn't he pull into the charging station in daylight? My concern is waiting for it to charge all the time.

They said about 40mins for it to charge to 80% which is fine by me because after driving 300 miles I would want a 40min break too.

And then it ate a leaf LOL about 3 seconds later.

U got a sharp eye for details

Hi There, how's the car 9 months later? Range still good? Any other problems?

@John Wilde Thanks for taking this step. And helping keep our environment cleaner.

@AD 2385 if you think like that why didn't you marry 1 of your own kind?

@No Where Man it's an Asian car u dimwit

@No Where Man I know old Chinese ladies can hardly drive but don't forget many of the best drifters and racers are Japanese

metric for the win.

Well, at least in UK, you cannot call them Freedom units, as they are not used anything as frequently as in the US.

MASTERRACE!

Yeah, they changed the kilogramme recently, hence my weight is now manageable.

They still had "KWh" and "KM", but definitely better than not having them in at all.

It's too bad that they're building them at a loss. Therefore, you will not see many made.

@@AscendedSaiyan3 For manufacturer like Hyundai and Kia it will be, a little bite, but it's great advertise.🍻

How much did it cost?

@@Deuxiit it was 40k Euro.

@@TechnologyMove so just little cheaper then where i live. I didnt like the cheap interrior. Even the i30 feels like luxury car after Kona test drive. The range is nice thought 👍

How is the battery going, any depletion yet?

Update plz

Arse warmers for everyone!

Luigiwoo i think the show is great but like many great you tube shows a move to mainstream tv would ruin it. The top gear format is too bloated and played out. EVs are the here and now in terms of automobiles and RU-vid is the most relevant source of content. It’s a perfect fit.

@@eddieallen6401 Do both. Publish on RU-vid and then license the content to the BBC to make something with it. Even if it's just a piece in another show. Would be a curious thing to see Fully Charged as a segment on Top Gear ;-)

May and Hammond driving a Kona EV and Tesla Model 3 with Clarkson driving the turbocharged AWD Hyundai Kona.

Pogo they’re too used to consuming resources and breaking stuff. They’re funny buggers though. Which counts for a lot.

Agree with everything you said, except I'm not sure what FF is... do you mean FC? :p

FF = Feet Forward, the best stance for riding a motorcycle.

it stands for Fuck's fsake that's a typo lol @@JackFeelsNerves

@@alex0589 lol sorry, I couldn't resist! My comment doesn't make sense now that you've corrected it... d'oh! Shoe other foot.

also thank you for putting them high enough that I can still read them when I crop-to-fit on my 18:9 smartphone! :-D

It depends what you mean by "leapfrogged" in terms of engineers, definitely yes! Production-wise they are churning out around half as many konas as leaf's. That is the biggest problem hyundai have.

Yes! Nissan Leaf2 is only for City use says Nissan...thats why they didnt equipped it with dedicated battery refrigeration....bad move!

This will happen numerous times over the next 10-20 years. The tech is in a state of flux, it's likely that *any* car you buy will be superseded shortly after, sometimes by a little, sometimes by a lot, as batteries advance, or possibly other innovations, like the Skeleton hybrid supercap system. The same happened with ice engines. Overhead valves, "V" engines, hemispherical heads, superchargers, turbochargers, fuel injection, etc, all raised the game, but the changes were not noticed as the tech was more mature.

Nissan seems to have lost the plot. On the verge of releasing the 60kWh LG traction battery version of the Leaf (a design with proper thermal management, long overdue) their CEO gets arrested in Japan and the 60kWh version gets put on indefinite hold. I get the strong impression the Japanese Nissan board are not really interested in EVs, perhaps they would prefer hydrogen or gasoline.

The CEO, for all his apparent criminality, was the driving force behind the EV push at Nissan and Renault. You may well be right and the current hierarchy may not be too interested in EV advancement for the time being. Ultimately they'll have to get with the game or lose out big time. It won't take many more car launches with the Kona's range and price point before there's a sudden surge to EV's (availability issues permitting!) Petrol and Diesel cars will be about as desirable as the last generation of none smart phones within a few short years, you'll barely be able to give them away...

Everyone has their critical mass for EVs. I said the same...until Feb. 14th when I bought my first EV! ;) What changed my mind? It was the Tesla Model 3. OMG.

I've had a Hyundai Ioniq for almost 2 years now. Regularly get 5.4 miles/kWh. The Kona seems like a great evolution, hope they can make enough to keep up demand.

@@aardvark3d Getting 5.4 out of my Leaf would be some extremely slow driving - how on earth do Hyundai do it? Is it weight?

160 mpg ? Fossil fuel is appox 10kwh per litre so that's about 225 mpg

@@MiniEggs1999 32.777 x 5.2 = 170 mpg e.

@@Aerostealth US Gallon 3.78L Imperial Gallon 4.54L

Battery Life Correct. I am 197 cm tall and I have no issue at all in Kona.

Yep. Took me a while to realise. I thought they just designed the car for me short wife....lol

@Qamishli Syria That makes the front window really expensive to replace if you have a stone chip etc

Great thanks for that info. I have a similar experience in a loan car, where I could not see the displayed info. I really like this car and am probably off to put down an order.

Mini Eggs how so? My 99 grand prix had projected the display on the windshield, its not part of the windshield at all.

About -100 km in range and add 15 minutes charge time from 10-80%

Think of it more like a ramp than a hill. It's inflexive all the way to the top! ;-)

In the fall. Hyundai Nero/Ionic EV and Kia Soul EV will too. They all are getting the Kona range.

@@Kintizen You dont see it... look at what happens in the video at @9:27 and the few seconds after

@@Andthorup yes car was hungry

I thought he was going to hit it!

Thank you Kaine, we do try!

Jason Baldry agreed. TV quality show.

indeed. It must have taken them a lot of time to put this video together as it was filmed in September (0:05). But it was totally worth the wait

On an electric train it wouldn't be such a problem, however on a ferry you would likely need a dedicated diesel generator to produce enough electricity for all of the Chargers to function at once if need be! That would require more fuel and a lot of additional cost!

@@lustfulvengance A ferry already generates a massive amount of electricity to maintain the myriad systems that run on it. You can be reasonably assured that that the generated amount is at nowhere near it's capacity under operating conditions.

@@bren106 If thats the case then that would be a great idea!

They already do for refrigerated truck trailers to plug in while on the ferry.

Im an electrical and also software engineer. I am currently working on an FULL Electric Ferry. It has around 2700kWh battery and will be charged at both sides. But if you want to TOP UP the cars.. it will take alot energy from those onboard batteries. I would not recommend that. One way to the other side will cost like 250kWh. If you charge alot of electric cars it will really mess up the battery life of the ferry itself. So to answer your question: NO don't do that.

In Polish means someone who is dying. In agony.

Why? I expect actually the Korean's to own the EV market in 10 years. If you look at it.. it's pretty NORMAL actually. They got LG/Samsung they got big battery technology in Korea. In conjunction with Hyundai & Kia it would just be normal actually. I just don't understand why Japan isn't doing so well. They got Panasonic! Where is Toyota? Still sucking on the Hydrogen Hoax?

@@HermanWillems Because Tesla is considered a "premium" brand and the fan boys give it such praise that it skews the reviews - it hits highest on customer satisfaction yet has numerous issues that are brushed over by the customer. I know the Koreans, especially Hyundai have really improved their cars, but the Kona came out of nowhere, Tesla has such amazing public relations that the $35K electric car is the model 3... Even though they aren't making any (every model 3 currently sold is more than $50k version).

It didn't come out of nowhere. It was announced 2 years ago. Also Kia Soul and the Hyundai Ionic getting the Kona treatment. So technically they Koreans are going to have 3 EV with 250-300 mile range.

@@Kintizen out of nowhere as in no viral publicity like Tesla and as a "real" car company, Hyundai will get criticized for even the smallest points. Could you image the reviews if someone received their Kona with mismatched paint or doors that don't line up? They would be mocked mercilessly as cheap Korean cars while Tesla does that regularly and is still a "premium" car

it is hard to agree that this is really a "game changer." At £31k ($40k), the model that Jonny was driving is just $5k cheaper than the mid-range (310 miles) model Tesla Model 3 at $45k. Seems like the autopilot, supercharging capability, performance, and styling of the Model 3 are well worth the extra $5k. And unlike the Kona electric (at least in the US), the Model 3 is available to buy now. By the time the Kona is available, Tesla will probably have even longer range for the same money as the cost of batteries continue their rapid decline.

tell me about the space in the backseat, how is it?

Does your Kona have a sunroof? How is the headroom?

AHH thanks for the education

It will be called the Kauai.

How easy is it to find charge points? Is it well-integrated in the sat nav? Is remaining charge taken into account? What is the maximum DC wattage it can take? Thanks!

I'd like to know the range you can expect to get on a cold dark night - in heavy traffic - with the heater and lights on.

@@raytrevor1 Aerodynamics at high speed damages range much more than heating and lights, electric cars are incredibly efficient at slow speeds compared to piston vehicles. That being said cold is relative, in the UK it wont effect range but much but in somewhere like Canada?

@@stevenbeiting756 its Easy to find charging points cause im from Norway. Also the 480km range gets you far without needing to charge. I dont use sat nav to find charging points. In Norway we have 2 companies who build chargers, and they have an app each with locations, live feed of what kind of chargers are availible. It can take 100kW if im not mistaken.

@@raytrevor1 i dont know about heavy traffic and why this would affect anything. The heating takes about 20km off the expected range (not driver only, in winter, outdoor temperature between 1 degree and minus 16 degree. for me I like the car to have 23 degrees celsius, 3 fan strength). You can tweak with the settings and see the expected range change on the desktop. It DOES have a driver only air condition thingie which saves range, and also it has an eco+ mode if youve really made a fool of yourself with the planning. But dude. The whole thing about this car is it remove range anxiety. Everyone is asking about range, and I dont get it. Cause I dont worry about it with this car :) The impression I get is you can do what ever you want with it and you dont get punished as a result. We drove 300km on a 80% charge, in winter at between - 1 and - 16 degrees. Car was cold before starting, having stood for days outside in minus 1 to minus 10. We stopped ONCE to charge, and we didnt really need to, it was more like a pee break with charging than the other way around.

how was it?

He should have binned that cover - would have improved the range by 2 miles.

Agreed. It looks much better without it.

Yes. I would have preferred there were no _'engine looking stuff'_ under the hood at all. Just an open storage space, nothing more. I was pleased to see a generous front trunk _(frunk)_ in recent unveilings of RIVIAN automobiles.

@@redxsage - A front trunk is a frunk, eh? So here in Britain it would be a froot...

When men were men and electric cars were electric cars (1:14 scale but they didn't half go).

@@ouethojlkjn that is correct, haha miss those days.

Offset Me too! My first electric car was a Tamiya Hornet. Range was pretty poor! 15 minutes on a full charge!

Good shout! The upgraded Ioniq EV with some of the Kona tech, bigger battery, more kW motor, will be awesome. We've covered 7k miles in 5 months and love our Ioniq EV!

They're not. Now just give me everything about this car, but in my 2006 Hyundai coupe body, instead of its dull family wagon mini SUV shape and I'll be over the moon ;)

@@NewmanAutomotiveI know, I love it, but GOD is it ugly.

I’ve got the Electric Ioniq Premium SE and I’m fully with you, the car is lovely! Even in winter time with the heaters blasting I can still get 139 miles from the thing!

American cars take the crown for shittiest reputation by far. Korean cars have never had that bad of a reputation. Not even close.

Well this didn’t age all that well

@@thursdaythought7201 How so? Current Kona Electric Limited starts at $42.5k with less range, space, features, and styling than the Model 3 at $44.9k. Perhaps that's why Tesla sold about 10x more Model 3's in 2021 than Hyundai sold Kona Electrics, and that is why Hyundai's electric sales are stagnating while Tesla's are increasing. Also, Tesla's Model 3 was the 2nd best selling car of any kind (gas or electric) in the UK in 2021, despite the Berlin factory not being online yet. So how exactly is the Kona Electric a game changer?

@@kurtelia2212 Why are you comparing the top trim Kona Electric with the base trim Model 3 in terms of price. The top trim for the Kona isn't really worth it. Lets compare apples to apples. The Kona EV Sel is $34,000 (can be cheaper through costco/sam's) and is eligible for a $7,500 Federal Tax Credit. This brings it down to $26,500. The Model 3 is $44,900 with no federal tax credit and not found cheaper elsewhere. The Kona EV has an official estimated range of 258 miles while the model 3 has an estimated range of 267 miles. Tests have shown that the Kona EV actually has a longer range in real use cases (Tesla overstated their range and Hyundai understated their's). The Kona EV has a 0-60 of 6.5s while the Model 3 has a 0-60 of 5.8. The Kona EV can charge at 100 kW and the Model 3 can charge at 250 kW. This is nice, but doesn't charge 150% faster as one would think due to how batteries actually charge. Autopilot is an additional $10,000 for Model 3 and is slated to never go past Level 2 Self Driving- not worth it in my opinion. All together I think the base Kona EV is a much better value proposition than the base Model 3. I don't think the Model 3 is worth $18,400 more than the Kona EV.

@@thursdaythought7201 I compared the Kona’s Limited trim to the Model 3’s base trim because that was the most comparable in terms of actual features (heated steering wheel, leather seats, etc.), but even then, Tesla’s software, supercharger network, performance, and styling still more than make up for the price difference. Apples to apples as you say. Fair point about the tax credit, but that is only still available to Hyundai because they have sold so few of them. Which was my only real point. The Kona seems like a nice car and a good effort by Hyundai (honestly, it is a far cry better than the EVs that the other OEMs are producing). It is just hard to call it a “game changer” when they are selling so few of them.

@@kurtelia2212 The Kona limited trim is a worse value than the SEL and the model 3 base is the best value trim of the model 3. That is why it is unfair to compare the two for value. Even if you do compare them- the Kona Limited still beats it out in terms of value since it is at least $9,900 cheaper than the model 3. Also, I think you are confused about the model 3's features as it doesn't have leather seats and there is no option to chose leather seats. Arguing sales numbers doesn't effect the quality or value proposition of the cars. Sales numbers only indicate how many of that car have sold. I know plenty of people that own Tesla's and they weren't thinking about the price or the value when they bought it. Tesla's are popular because they are the "cool" EV.

Hyundai could sell 80,000 per month worldwide. They're just being lazy with production at this point.

@@Secretlyanothername They are not lazy. They just have a bottleneck in the supply chain and that is batteries. Tesla has Gigafactory for that exact purpose.

Trump pulling the subsidiaries from GM is going to kill their chances at a great car. Killing the Volt was the worst thing they can do, and with the subsidy being pulled there goes the EV market for GM and possibly the US. The govt seems hell bent on killing the EV yet again. Add the Nissan Scandal that's going to kill the 60kwh leaf and it's game over. Glad Hyundai is killing it!!! Dump the hydrogen cars, EV is the future!

@@Secretlyanothername I second what Vlad said. Also we don't know if Hyundai is losing money selling these vehicles, like most manufacturers still seem to be. If they are, then there's certainly no reason to increase the numbers that much.

Good post. But in fairness? GM actually first annonced their intent to CANCEL the VOLT last year, maybe ten months after the BOLT was released in late 2016.

I've still got mine and drive it 95% of the time. It's paid for itself now in the fuel I've not had to buy. Great little car I can drive anywhere and park anywhere.

I love my 2012 iMiEV. But I’m lucky to get 4 miles per kWh in the summer (stop start London crawling).

@@lysandermb I usually get over 70 miles in the summer and 60 in the winter for my iOn but I am in Rural Dorset. However I've found the ideal speed is actually slower rather than faster so 30 to 40 mph is optimum for range. Do you have the three levels of regen on yours? you know it's on all variants only they have it hidden. There's a good conversion guide which simply needs a little Dremel use on RU-vid by Kiwi EV Adventures. I did it to mine

@@kelvink8955

@@kelvink8955

you will probably need an urban dictionary for that one

@@luiscordeiro1397 Crossing the channel many hundreds of times, and there being myriad nationalities in the freight drivers restaurant on the ferries, make an urban dictionary unnecessary for a large number of expletives.

@@bren106 sure thing. Just saying gogle translate will not do the trick :) Happy watchings!

Luís Cordeiro true. So enlighten us please?

@@yannickjolie7336 Rhymes with front.

Exactly what I wish for my country to do do as well

Not with L & L party in power, there are too busy looking after there mates in coal and petroleum. sector.

If EVs start selling in the millions, that charging station probably won't be that clean and quiet! In fact, EVs are going to need lots of more charging stations than petrol cars ever needed petrol stations to avoid people queuing up for charging...

@@PrimiusLovin at least you can fill up at home, but yeah any long distance touring will be interesting in the future.

@@songforguy1 in future charging of an EV will be done in about 5 minuts - same time u need to fillup your ICE car ;)

Don't forget the bum coolers

a bit vulgar chose of words

@@adnanjusic4890 if you think arse is vulgar, you must be sheltered lol

MPGe what a stupid unit

Frankly, knowing the mechanism of an electric car like, battery, balance charging, motor, motor controllers etc. Is. An advantage.

Dean, I've had 2 Model 3s and sold them both due to the screen UI and lack of a 2nd information screen or a head up display in front of the driver. The efficiency and driving dynamics of the Model 3 are brilliant, but the single screen and the distraction of controlling things are a big fail. This will be corrected with voice control, but it is too slow coming.

There is a natural split here. You guys can’t work with a single screen and I am happy with a single screen. My last BMW had 50 buttons. It is crazy. Fifty. Nonsense. I don’t miss any of those buttons.

Electricity is so cheap compared to gas vehicles and electric car are so efficient at around 90% compare to combustion engines that sits at around 15% efficiency so the cost of charging is not important thats why hes probably didnt mentioned it. But if you really need to know the cost of charging than its around 15 pound in electricity to cover 600 miles in kona as this car travels arouns 5 miles on one kwh

@@greg23842384 the price you quoted is if you charge it at home if you have to charge it on rapid chargers you have to pay over the odds for the pleasure

​@@raptorpome2577 I get the sense of straws being grasped at given the "hasn't got the range" argument is destroyed. What's the realistic frequency of this "have to" scenario given a 300 mile EV? US and UK driving statistics show these kinds of journeys as once a year events. 600 miles of rapid charge costs about the same as a tank of petrol - so even assuming that the car left home empty, it's at price parity. (and of course, petrol always gets cheaper, and competition will do nothing to lower rapid charge costing)

When governments (as in UK) start to lose tax revenue from petrol sales they will soon work out how to recoup it from EVs (mileage charge?). Then they will be no cheaper to run.

@@raytrevor1 Fortunately there is a new technology on the horizon which will revolutionize all forms of transportation. Search RU-vid for graphene vids.

You could well be right, but Hyundai's own adverts in the UK pronounce it hi-un-die. I'm open to the idea though that they do it to match the local market, rather than trying to correct the pronunciation here!

Every country says these differently and the manufacture has to go a long with it rather than try to correct everyone which would not go down well. To-mate-o to-mar-to

High-un-dye is the official English pronunciation.

Fair 'nuff, lads. Thanks. I didn't know I'll just stick to giving Americans a hard time about how they say "Jag-wire iPace" :-)

Skoda in German ads also sound way different from the "real" pronunciation too.

That was something that I thought was just an omission from the prototype cars first shown, but to see the Model 3 lacking it completely was pretty shocking. To me, this isn't a real HUD though since it's not projected onto the windscreen.

Esa Edvik - Yeah, but it’s *_something_* that means you don’t have to take your eyes off the road... cars in the 80s had HUDs, they don’t need to be whizbang full color deals (tho of course that’d be nice), but it’s a tech that sorely needs a comeback !!

@@grendelum You don't take your eyes off the road. Model 3 isn't the first car with a center-mounted display. Instead of looking down you look a bit to the right.

The Model 3 *_DEFINITELY DOES NOT_* need a HUD. At all. You can tell by the way people drive it just fine without one, and even those who claimed it needed one shut up about it once they got their cars. Even *Ben Sullins,* who had initially used an aftermarket means to install a HUD, tgen stopped using it, because it was dumb.

@@grendelum -- Cars in the 1980s had HUDs that _SUCKED._ They washed out in direct sunlight and were strictly monochrome. Let me know when full color hard light holographic displays are available.

Please do this!

Bjorn did extensive test on the car.

Don’t Hyundai own Kia..?

@@chrisb3967 it's explained well on Wikipedia

@@chrisb3967 they do, but Kia is a lower-end brand. My understanding is the e-Niro will be slightly larger, but the underlying car platform will be the same as the Kona.

Well, I do drive

I am Brazilian, here we easily travel around 500km on a trip

Name one person for whom it would be healthy to do so. Bathroom brakes and a meal would be suitable with that range, I would compare ticket prices, not only because gas is expensive (something that doesn't apply) but also, because I would be in an awful state, driving that long without brake(s).

@@mateusoliveira8373 Do you mean without any coffee brakes?

@@mateusoliveira8373 Without going to the toilet or eating any food?

Kona means nothing in pt-br. Is that a thing in pt-pt?

@@srfiorini Giria para genitais femeninos. Não vou simplificar xD

@@srfiorini Is not on the dictionary but is a very old and popular slang word used by people in Portugal, it means Vagina.

So I guess in Portugal it'll be more of a NAMEchanger

People will drive their vaginas all over the place. :P