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@josephfarrow2685 5 месяцев назад

Have been in business 35 years and have not found a warranty company that pays my going rate for repairs yet. They want to nickle and dime ya.

@thesilentonevictor 5 месяцев назад

Zack as long you make the customer happy that's what important

@b-2466 5 месяцев назад

Really like a follow-up after you talk to Bosch.

@HVACTV973 4 месяца назад

i agree Bosch should have a lot to say about this

@bogieman101 4 месяца назад

Absolutely. I have been thinking about a Bosch for hopefully my last heatpump. These kind of things (how Bosch handles it) will make the difference in paying top dollar for it. And it stinks that now you have to pay for a warranty on something this expensive. I actually purchased a spare X13 fan motor for my unit and capacitor and contactor that is still under parts warranty because it will be much cheaper for me to do it myself than to pay labor (with warranty on the parts) only. Plus, I won't have to wait a week or more in the middle of the summer in the south. We all know that is when heat pumps love to break.

@stephenbullock-yn3vh 5 месяцев назад

Wow! That's disappointing that the evaporator coil is leaking in 2.5 years.thats copper tube aluminum fin not aluminum coil.im blown away. Quality is going down the tubes in my book.😮

@OcRefrig 5 месяцев назад

yep. totally. 💯%

@zahedaminullah6934 5 месяцев назад

Nothing is made to last and that is todays reality! Old is gold!

@machaf 5 месяцев назад

exactly why I have a heat pump and water heater sitting in my garage. Current ones are well past their lifespan. If it aint broke dont fix it.

@mattluongo7763 5 месяцев назад

Definitely interested in seeing the repair process on that Bosch.

@mattbilodeau2433 5 месяцев назад

I want to see him do it. I've changed a few and the 4-5 tons suck it should be a 2 guy job and bosch makes a special pry bar to make it easier it's worth it's weight in gold

@CrazyPeiceOfPie 5 месяцев назад

Please tell me how you can make money on a 10 year labor warranty? If the manufacturer will only do 1 on parts, then how are you affording the costs of repairs? 20k per system?

@CrazyPeiceOfPie 5 месяцев назад

@@reggiepplee5759 Dude if your "warranty" is $85 to $125 an hour I am the cheapest mofo in the business at $110 for my regular labor charge. That sounds like an excuse to charge someone more for the install just to charge them more when something goes out.

@Fokusc1s 5 месяцев назад

Guy your selling a 3rd party warranty if not you in house it and still have to charge the customer and make sure you put that money aside for warranty calls only!

@CrazyPeiceOfPie 5 месяцев назад

@@Fokusc1s What? Your English is a little broken.

@drodriguez394 5 месяцев назад

The company i worm for charges 235/hour with a contract lol. 258 no contract and time and a half either rate on the weekend pluse that port to port at that tim and a half rate LOL@CrazyPeiceOfPie

@OcRefrig 5 месяцев назад

Sell a 10yr Warranty - Full Coverage !!! at $2,000.00 Per System. You Sell 10 Systems under warranty. extra $20,000.00 Check the Systems every Year. Change Air Filter Every 6 Months. Make customer responsible for Air Filter changes. Call & Remind them. You can make it Work. Most systems Won't Break down if u do your job right. 1 or 2 out of 10 Might. Check Capacitors every year. seperate copper tubing from rub outs. Check all tubing & seperate. Day 1 make sure it's right.

@MulattoGato 5 месяцев назад

My company does Bosch system. The 1.0 air handler always leak but 2.0 hasn’t had any problem. They redid the coils on the BUT the package unit we don’t install due to them having problems with leaking coils. They haven’t fixed that issue on them yet.

@dcarroll02 5 месяцев назад

I had to do this about a year ago on the 3-5 ton Bosch package unit, as far as I know at the time it was the first time it being done at least in bosch's records, so much so they had no info on how to do it after we got out there and took half the unit apart, after finally sitting on the phone with tech support we were told to put it back together and they were warranting the entire unit, luckily haven't had to do it since so don't know if they made a fix, as far as I know they make a contraption for the one you're working on, best of luck to you man lol!!

@WhowereEpsteinsclients 4 месяца назад

This is a fake story.

@taj4l 5 месяцев назад

my experience with those wireless outdoor sensors is once they put in alkaline batteries they tend to keep draining faster after they used alkaline batteries.

@pilotboba 5 месяцев назад

when I bought my new house the A/C units didn't get the 10year labor. Apparently you can buy it up to the first year and add on. But the mechanical contractor that put it in never called me to try to sell it or let me know. I bet they would get like 50% of the warranty sale cost and I would have bought it. Being in FL we rely on our A/Cs. They run pretty much year round. And both of the units needed major repairs that I ended up paying labor for. On most product, extended warrantees are a joke, but adding the labor warranty to A/C units is something I will always do.

@BartlettTFD 5 месяцев назад

Manufacturers using Chinese copper in coil manufacturing should be banned by the Federal government. They are known for using recycled copper that has impurities in it‼️

@HERITAGEWV 5 месяцев назад

Offering 10 year labor warranty is nice the only difference is they pay extra for that 10 year labor up front No different than if someone pays extra for a extended labor warranty up front and then they don’t have any issues with it that justify the extra cost It can be a toss up either way In my experience it’s better to lay out all the options and let the customer decide what they want or don’t want That way when 2 years pass and it needs $1k+ labor for a repair it’s in their court.. they either chose to get the warranty or they didn’t and they pay. I had this exact scenario happen with a customer and that’s when I decided every customer gets to choose their own fate.. warranty or no warranty.. Tis the question

@lowe_30 5 месяцев назад

I am currently in sales, was a technician for 14 years, I put labor warranty in every quote I do, I tell my customers that, nobody ever turns it down, and it saves you and the homeowner from this situation.

@Locbui1989 5 месяцев назад

okay?... so how much would you have to charge the customer for a 10 year warranty vs a 2 year warranty?? No one is going to give out free labor warranty

@lowe_30 5 месяцев назад

The equipment I sell has a factory labor warranty, not a 3rd party warranty company. They only offer 10 years, and they run from 350-500. It's built into every quote I do. The customer just sees a bottom line price, and the labor warranty is included, so they have no worries like this situation.

@johnwhite2576 5 месяцев назад

@@lowe_30what OEM offers their own ten year LABOR warranty? Seriously I’m very interested. Other than perhaps daikin?

@johnwhite2576 5 месяцев назад

Haha - talk to oem ? Talk to the hand ! LOL

@lowe_30 5 месяцев назад

@johnwhite2576 I sell York, but them and Amana are the only ones who offer a ten year labor warranty through the factory. If I'm not mistaken.

@joshuaseaton4526 5 месяцев назад

Bosch M15 unitary have a chronic issue with boards being bad: Error code E6, but the condensor fan motor is fine, it's the board. Also, I have installed 2 of the Bosch Multi-zone units and 1 of them had a bad board. No issues so far with any of the M18 or M20 units. I really like the products so I'm hoping Bosch gets it right with the next gen stuff.

@HVACDAD1 5 месяцев назад

Replaced one a year ago. It’s not too bad, it ain’t fun either. Take all the screws out to loosen top and take a jack and jack up the side where you found leak. Lift it up enough just to clear and slide out. It sure beat completely disassembling the unit!!

@WhowereEpsteinsclients 4 месяца назад

I was at the supplier the other day talking to another company owner who went all in on selling Bosch equipments. He said the coils are leaking like crazy within 3 years. He regrets ever messing with them. I hope you didnt do the same thing he did. Always let the new technology "soak" in the industry before selling them. With all that said a lot of companies are having problems with leaking coils.

@ryangisabum5576 4 месяца назад

When blue are those the “high efficiency” coils ?

@WhowereEpsteinsclients 4 месяца назад

@@ryangisabum5576 15 Seer to 20 Seer I believe. His were mostly heat pumps.

@markrich6878 16 дней назад

As a homeowner I really enjoy your videos! Off the subject…do you remember where you got your belt and belt holster. I have been looking for one like those. If you can please furnish me with the company that made the belt and holster I would appreciate it. Thanks and keep the posts coming!

@zeph352 5 месяцев назад

It is a good sales strategy to include labor as a guarantee in addition to the product. but in some companies the installation cost goes up

@OcRefrig 5 месяцев назад

Good video. Call Bosch - Tell Them - They Either Warranty the Entire unit or Your Service ticket on the Repair or YOU ARE NEVER BUYING THIER PRODUCT AGAIN !!! Manufacturers Need to know the Consequences of Making A Piece of Junk that Failed in less than 5 years. You Have Plenty of Options to Sell Better Quality Equipment. if they Want Your Future Business - it's up to Them! ABSOLUTELY NO Reason for a coil to only last 2.5 years. is the Customer going to be replacing coils every 2.5 years ? A indoor Coil should last a Minimum of 10 Years. old days indoor coils last 15-20 years. Companies making garbage these days & charging twice the price ! Absolutely Disgusting !!!

@thejadeowlforge8779 5 месяцев назад

I hate when this happens.. as a tech I’ve installed a lot of units and sometimes they just fail outta the blue and I sit there and wonder what did I do wrong… but no it’s usually just the unit ..

@williamjohnson9282 5 месяцев назад

Have had good luck on their split units... only a couple of Pressure transducer fails... which tripped an H5 code (low pressure lock out) sucks but fairly easy to diagnose, hopefully we dont run into anymore

@luisflores8266 3 месяца назад

Just did one of these bad boys today. Three year old five ton. New evap coil along with compressor. Company servicing unit prior to us just added dye and seal for the last couple of years. What a nightmare. Homeowner had to come out of pocket for this. They opted out of the ten year labor warranty.

@toddjames8830 5 месяцев назад

Sold 2 of the inverter package units both indoor coils leaked & had to be replaced in under a year, never bought another one.

@maness2112 5 месяцев назад

They all leak. Ccp garbage.

@michaelburton4025 5 месяцев назад

I've heard the same thing about those bosch heat pump package units also from lots of people that evap coil leaks !

@stephenbullock-yn3vh 5 месяцев назад

Keep it simple right

@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity 5 месяцев назад

I had an American standard 14.3 seer heat pump compressor fail two months after install last summer. Had to go buy customer a portable cooling unit to get them by two weeks waiting on three more American standard heat pumps!!! Two dented badly from forklift drivers setting too many on top of thinner metal tops.

@dutch661 5 месяцев назад

Labor warranty is just a pay me now or pay me later. May only be beneficial if you plan on having several breakdowns.

@robalexander7348 5 месяцев назад

Well Zac, i hope Bosch helps with the warranty repair for this customer, i look forward to a follow up 🤔 Au

@Honestandtruth007 5 месяцев назад

No Way 😮😮 BOSCH is great Company and have good quality products. Just 2-years it failed 😮. So Unreal. Even Goodman AC System still last 8-10 without major issue

@jacobbak486 4 месяца назад

Goodmans fail all the time, they’re junk

@lakeshvac 5 месяцев назад

Yes, you have to use only the lithium ion batteries I sell and install lots of the red link stuff

@Paul-IE-Repairs 5 месяцев назад

meanwhile that 20yr old American standard with r22 is still running strong, next to it

@tedbell4416 4 месяца назад

R22 is so much better

@dnell6854 5 месяцев назад

Wow!like what that van,thinking about purchasing one

@TheWestcoastking1 5 месяцев назад

Those Tale knives multi tool belt holder are worth every dollar. Ive had mine for 3 years, don't leave home without it.

@joshlopez1975 3 месяца назад

I really like the leather pouch on your hip

@Azzen234 5 месяцев назад

i dont reccomend people getting the labor warrenty... its enabling these companes to let their factories are skip quality control on purpose if it means they can make a % profit on people purchasing warrenties, just like insurance companies, its all for the sake of profiting off people who fortunately dont have issues. this shouldnt be the case in todays world... EVERYTHING thats from the 70-90s in my moms house still works, meanwhile im replacing my brand new microwave... while she is using hers from 2002

@picklerix6162 5 месяцев назад

Lithium batteries are incredibly expensive. I assume the sensor is not designed correctly. A properly designed sensor board goes into sleep mode to consume very little power and wakes up occasionally to get readings and transmit data.

@MrSilence99 Месяц назад

Should have been wired directly into the unit. Stupid design.

@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity 5 месяцев назад

Installed a heat pump - 14 seer American standard two years ago and now the indoor coil has a leak. I’m not happy either! Pure junk from China. Now the distributor sells air Temp, all manufactured in Mexico, except for some heavy package units down in Tennessee. Then selling an inverter side discharge made by Gree - all from China. On top of this Bolshevik, equipment prices have doubled in four years! Our country is going downhill fast. Although we didn’t start off on the right foot with Native Americans and African-Americans in 1607.

@Ogtonyg 4 месяца назад

Garbage coil quality + high 410a pressures + even higher pressures if it's a heat pump in the winter time... leaks everywhere.

@josephzarate7895 4 месяца назад

ran into a few evap coils leaking on Bosch units last summer on new installs less than year old units one of my buddies found both coils leaking on a Bosch this year

@TheSimba86 5 месяцев назад

everything is made as thin and cheap as they can possibly make it anymore

@mrtonge5323 5 месяцев назад

Great job Z

@macogarage6428 5 месяцев назад

I'm glade that I watch this video, I almost tell to one of my costumer to get a Bosch Packet Unit, we are going back to a Carrier.

@WhowereEpsteinsclients 4 месяца назад

You are doing the right thing. Carrier has many options under different badges that are great units.

@jakeholcombe4002 5 месяцев назад

Agreed I do a 10 year myself personally

@alberthartl8885 5 месяцев назад

These are Chinese Midia units masquerading as a Bosch (or a Carrier). What do you expect from a tofu supplier.

@skliros9235 4 месяца назад

Bosch is nothing but a marketing name nowadays. Parents bought a bosch fridge, only to find out it was made by LG

@zurikin 4 месяца назад

@quality HVACR if you had a choice between fieldpiece, navac, or yellow jacket digital gauges, which one would you put your $1000 in? i'm in the market for a pair of digital gauges and starting to do some homework, would love some input.

@terrygrant8126 5 месяцев назад

I had the same thing with a condenser coil and they sent an evaporator coil.....I wanted to send it back, but they said keep it!....so I did....

@gordonpotts753 5 месяцев назад

I used to sell a 10 year parts and labor warranty for $699. Fortunately I only had to go back twice. But ppl used to go after that like cake.

@Level-333 4 месяца назад

Any update on this Bosch unit?

@mattbilodeau2433 5 месяцев назад

Bosch has a tool prop up the unit i would look into it its like having a extra set of hands

@drewhorn9230 5 месяцев назад

I just replaced the receiver on a 3 month old one. Leaking from the seam around the center of it.

@tedbell4416 4 месяца назад

Oooh they got some problems

@thecurious6721 5 месяцев назад

Could you ask if they had any spray foam done in the house? @TeddyDigest had samsung evap coil leaking in 2 years. The house had roof spray foamed. Maybe that the issue 🤔

@samuelcollier3350 4 месяца назад

Hey man, what type of boots do you wear if you don’t mind me asking? Appreciate the videos!

@jaaayyymannn 4 месяца назад

Was gonna ask you bro! I’m new to the hvac thing but what pants are comfortable and shoes

@emiliolopez927 4 месяца назад

How much extra would you charge to cover 10 year labor warranty?!

@FranciscoHernandez-gt8ne 5 месяцев назад

I see you're rocking the TrueWerk pants. Are they would you recommend them ?

@tommycoleman2892 5 месяцев назад

IT SUCKS TO CHANGE ALSO, WE JUST HAD THE SAME THING, 1 YR OLD UNIT.

@williamjosephbc17Q 5 месяцев назад

did you know windex works better than big Blu at finding leaks and is much cheaper?

@stephenbullock-yn3vh 5 месяцев назад

Yeah if you have big leak.big blue is thick solution and stays in place to find micro leaks.

@justynbrading7444 5 месяцев назад

10 year warranty sounds a bit much.. I could maybe see 5 years max but the general expected life span of the unit is around the 10 year range

@justynbrading7444 5 месяцев назад

Granted I don’t do residential at all so maybe it’s more common but does that require a 10 year PM plan?? Because how can you be comfortable offering 10 years of labor warranty if they don’t keep up with maintenance?

@adisrulovitz8317 5 месяцев назад

Can someone at Bosch explain to me why we need to many panels and screws yall beat Bryant for that record but at least it’s an individual panel and not one piece

@ronaldswindell1525 5 месяцев назад

How do you like the Nissan van??

@paulsilver1625 5 месяцев назад

Here is a prime example not to employ people who record endlessly repairs

@hdxyhdhdhhdhdhehd6305 3 месяца назад

Do an acid test

@maness2112 5 месяцев назад

Looks like zero hours on that unit, clean, but garbage.

@williamsadventures2048 5 месяцев назад

What is that belt holster called?

@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity 5 месяцев назад

Why couldn’t Bosch just install a 240 V to 3 V converter in the outdoor unit to power the thermostat. That’s ridiculous that you have to put a set of batteries in an outdoor unit thermostat. That is something you can do, pretty easily too.

@guytech7310 5 месяцев назад

Duh! Because that would just be too darn practical, & the customer would not be spending $$$ on replacement batteries, or a tech to replace the batteries or the unit!

@weslawrence5055 5 месяцев назад

So how much is everyone charging up front for a 10 year labour warranty ??

@Salyers-Family-2004 5 месяцев назад

Reminds me of the Ameristar and HEIL junk from a few years back. I hope that’s not the case. Just saying.

@Salyers-Family-2004 4 месяца назад

@QuaIityHVACR1 Honestly I find your work interesting. Quality work. Pride will show up in what you do. I don’t claim to know everything by no means but we take pride in whatever it is that we do and I can tell that you take pride in your work.

@phillipjoy1305 5 месяцев назад

That unit looks like a lot of headaches to me😊

@dineshsachdeva9177 5 месяцев назад

Why this customer not pay your testing / visiting fees this is not good 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

@user-ud5zx7ln1y 5 месяцев назад

Curious about how the pricing work for additional warranty on labor.

@CharlesAnsman 5 месяцев назад

Its extremely high

@firesprk 5 месяцев назад

No it’s not. You will easily pay for the warranty within 10 years. The warranty is not tied to the contract. At least the company we use.

@CharlesAnsman 5 месяцев назад

@@firesprk I strongly disagree with you. Any warranty other then the OEM labor warranty is a total ripoff as they cheat and don't pay fully. I do have a bit of experience in this matter as I've worked in HVAC since 1978, and I I've been a Florida HVAC license holder and company owner since 1991. Would you like to discuss this further? What is you experience level ?

@firesprk 5 месяцев назад

I own my company. I know what the labor warranty costs. The company we use you can set your rates. Maybe you need to look at other warranty companies.

@paulsilver1625 5 месяцев назад

Ok. Took you longer to set up The camera than find a leak. I feel sorry for the client that pays your bills. I know you’re good. But I don’t have time or energy to repair poor AC equipment let alone record it. So. You must be on a win win.

@steveg5576 4 месяца назад

Unfortunately resi HVAC mfg's are at the bottom of the quality improvement scale over the last 25 years -- incorporating all the new methods and materials other industries have taken to. It's almost like they are resisting the best solutions for the customer / tech at every turn.

@knighttrain2579 5 месяцев назад

Waited 4 months on a part. Chinese.

@bill944 5 месяцев назад

If you do a ten year labor warranty, there would still be money out of the customer's pocket. Ten year warranties don't grow on trees. Also, there will be systems that the customer didn't get their expense out of and others where you'll lose. The fairest way of doing it is pay as you go. The customer only has the manufacturer to be dissatisfied with if it's a manufacturing defect. The company that I work for used to offer ten year warranties. We don't offer it anymore, lost our shirts on the deal.

@Mo4Honesty 5 месяцев назад

The contractor is also under fire for being the one using that manufacturer and presumably representing them or recommending them. In many cases they have an exclusive and that's all they sell. If the equipment is junk AND the company won't make it right, why TF is the contractor working with them?

@bill944 5 месяцев назад

@@Mo4Honesty This was a company deal, not a manufacturer warranty. Even if it was a manufacturer warranty, the company representing can only do so much due diligence. Ultimately, the manufacturer is responsible for quality control and making a solid product though to company's reputation will take a hit as well.

@Mo4Honesty 5 месяцев назад

@@bill944 I think we agree. Even though the contractor is not responsible for bad equipment, in the customer's eyes they share the blame for unexpected breakdowns and charges. Perception is what matters and it's hard to give the selling dealer a free pass even though they can only control so much.

@bill944 5 месяцев назад

@@Mo4Honesty Agreed, all parties lose. Tough to be the one to deliver the news to the customer. That's one part of my job that I despise.

@kingdededankle7591 5 месяцев назад

If you use Alkaline batteries in those sensors they will die within a week or so

@jasonredman2265 4 месяца назад

It’s hard to stop a Trane! That’s all I have to say.

@seroxide 5 месяцев назад

Are the Bosch units made in the USA or Germany?

@guytech7310 5 месяцев назад

if its the US, it might as well be some third world: US quality is often worse than China, with large number of the staff taking drugs, & just don't give a c rap.

@Drtbiker88 5 месяцев назад

China, they are rebadged Midea units with fancy inverter boards

@godz1llaki11azzzz3 4 месяца назад

Germany

@arturofromtucson6262 4 месяца назад

It leaks that’s a good thing for us techs 🤑

@MrSilence99 Месяц назад

Until people get tired of paying for this junk and go to portable/window units. Me and several family members gave up on central equipment because of this. You might find yourself out of a job.

@whoisderf 5 месяцев назад

What did you expect when you bought Bosch? Quality similar to Goodman (don’t try to talk up Goodman, it’s not possible). Don’t buy garbage products from cheap distributors like Geary Pacific and Johnstone….

@MrScatliffe 5 месяцев назад

Bosch is Trash

@ValorHeart 5 месяцев назад

Why?

@DWit-zn2oh 5 месяцев назад

Um.......... leaks??!? 😅

@grandinosour 5 месяцев назад

"It is what it is"....That phrase is so over used and sounds cocky......

@robmak 4 месяца назад

Common with these units: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qlysDYmTtaA.html

@RichB0330 5 месяцев назад

squeaky wheel my man

@johnwhite2576 5 месяцев назад

Is Bosch trash / no ….is it complicated, yes but so are true full communicating systems. bUT anyone who can breathe can get their hands on Bosch, and in climates where you get lots of humidity or bad trunk season, you need a SUPERB commissioning. How many hvac techs are surfed ? Well by definition at most 5%. Your mileage WILL vary. Great option for dry climates and installed by capable -ie just about average- installer with Bosch experience. Who knows the equipment and has READ THE F’ING MANUAL !. And NB, the significant Bosch price difference has eroded noticeably years. Just sayin

@HvacGregG 5 месяцев назад

Good video

@stevebennett1563 5 месяцев назад

Well shit happans

@MrTuomasaaltonen 5 месяцев назад

Bosch is shitty brand in USA too :D

@philltafolla 5 месяцев назад

Replace it with a Goodman I bet it won’t leak . 🙆🏻‍♂️

@BuildGreenHomesNow 5 месяцев назад

Bosch is cheap Chinese shit now. Same with carrier.. stick to American made products

@michaelburton4025 5 месяцев назад

Take it out and simply install a American standard.

@knockitofff 4 месяца назад

STOP using impact guns where screw guns are needed, you're stripping the metal, I don't care who thinks "I know how to use an impact gun" .....you're stripping the holes...all of you.

@natehicks8939 5 месяцев назад

Did you offer a 10 year labor warranty?

@CharlesAnsman 5 месяцев назад

$$$$$

@Freonleon 5 месяцев назад

Bosch is crap anyway

@OcRefrig 5 месяцев назад

Buy RHEEM !!! i ONLY Buy & install Rheem or Carrier. Over 40 Years in the Biz - Installed hundreds of Rheem Package units , & Condensing units. Only Had 1 Compressor Noisy in 40+ Years. --- Evap. coils --- i only Buy & Sell - Adp Evap. Copper tube / aluminum fin Coils. --- Furnaces --- i Buy & Sell Only - Carrier, Trane , or Goodman Furnaces. Rheem Make a Great Furnace - But its burners are Noisy !!! Sounds Like Space x Rocket 🚀 Taking off from Cape Canaveral. i Won't install anymore. i Only install Carrier or Payne Furnace anymore.

@Mo4Honesty 5 месяцев назад

With the new a2l equipment you won't be able to mix and match components anymore. You'll have to buy the whole system from the same manufacturer.

@OcRefrig 5 месяцев назад

@@Mo4Honesty Yea, Then i'll pick Rheem for Quality & Reliability ! Carrier if it has to be a quiet furnace.