I’ve Left TV Licensing No Alternative 

I haven't owned a car for a while. Should I write to the petrol station that I won't be paying them for fuel?

Sadly they harass to the edge of the law so if you had enough money to sue they'd more than likely either fight it and ruin you financially remember it ain't their money or they might pay you off before stitching you up 😊

it should be, but the law explicitly allows the BBC to act in this way - take it up with your mp!

it is but they have a work around by saying they are legally required to make sure you are properly licenced if you need to be..... but they can do the same by sending a letter once a year and asking. they do not need to send monthly letters and you don't need to be visited.

One might wonder what happens if the envelope is returned with some extra turd inside

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exactly. Many important things going on, tv licence is bottom of the barrel

Amen brother. Best advice. Its a shame more folk don't have the balls to follow it.

I’ve cancelled just before Xmas and the y gave me a refund for 2 months but now the letters are coming

Very stupid advice!! You can't just stop DD, that will be a breach of contract. You need to tell them you moved away, pay your final month, end your contract with honour. Then, once everything is closed, there is no trace about you in their system, they start sending letters to THE LEGAL OCCUPIER which you can ignore for the rest of your life. If you instead just stop DD, then they will apply to court to get debt recovery enforcement to get money off of you!

@@pioruns this is why it's best never to even engage with these scumbags in the first place

It is relentless ...

Pay up .

Who even watches tv these days when you can watch anything online

You are only guilty if you don't pay 44p per day for a very good service. You still free to choose not too. You are paying for the benefit of the whole nation just like the NHS. If you don't want to use the the NHS and go private that is up to you. But you still pay! It's that simple!

@@stevenknill2179you’re only guilty if you don’t pay but still watch…. It’s nothing like the NHS. The nhs are there to save lives, the tv licence is there to line pockets

People might consider it free fuel for their fireplaces

right resend to sender and put them in a letter box

@@darkshar100 Do you mean "Return to sender" ? The word is 'Write'. By letter box do you mean a Royal mail post box and not just some other persons letter box ? The English language is a wonderful thing.

@@jimosullivan1389I’m sure you feel much better for correcting a stranger on the internet 👌well done you…. 🙄

@@HPLP-123 Well actually, yes I do. If someone has the audacity to use no punctuation, incorrect spelling and is unable to construct a sentence, then they need correcting. Any other gems of wisdom O wise one ?

Amd stop paying for a license too

Or, you know, do speak to them, tell them your don't need a license and all the so-called 'harrasment' stops.

@@wembleyford only if you are a lucky one, its not about needing the licenses, its about buying one anyway

@@koool56 I used to work at Capita on the phones answering calls from people signing up, renewing or cancelling their licence and its honestly not that difficult to mark on the system that you don't need a licence, honestly it'd take me less than 30 seconds to mark on the address that you don't need one. I've never paid for a Licences in my Life either and I never will, either just ignore the letters or just let them know and they will stop contacting you.

@@tvguy61 No.

I wrote back to them when I was a kid - I was about to start law school so was full of that unearned arrogance. I signed off my letter with Mr. Legal Occupier. Basically told them I was looking forward to receiving a summons addressed to a Mr. Occupier.

EXACTLY!! i dont understand how so many people are okay with funding them...

as long as the nobility exists, you are paying for pedos.

Oooof.......

I cancelled mine last year and declared my intention to TV Licensing by email. They responded by refunding my most recent payment and said they’d ask me to update my status in two years’ time. I don’t have an aerial so can’t receive free-to-air channels. I’ve deleted BBC iPlayer from my new TV and Apple TV box and deleted Pluto and FreeVee. I now rely on my extensive library of purchased Apple Store movies and TV content, Blu-ray discs and apps such as Netflix, Apple TV+, Disney+, Now TV which I temporarily subscribe to when there are shows on that I want to watch. I also use RU-vid and Rumble. I never watch live TV so have nothing to fear. If they ever send someone to visit I’ll just politely ask them to obtain a warrant and revisit with a police officer as they don’t have any jurisdiction.

Me too

Gary Lineker needs a raise lol

Really? You needed to watch a youtube video to know you didn;'t need a TV license if you don't watch tv? wow.

“Woke”?

We’re supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

Exactly @@Woodman-Spare-that-tree ...... in theory. in the BBC's greedy eyes, not so much

@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree are you sure, are you really sure, are you really really sure. Well the Bloody Bigoted Company sure won't believe you, and your mp won't try and change them, because they are the MPs mouthpiece.

Actually, surely it should be Innocent unless proven guilty?@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree

u can own a TV without a tv license as long as you do not use it to watch anything covered by said license.

Let's start a club, it's called.... Have you had a letter from TV licensing. 😁😁😁😁😁

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I got a shit load also,I'm leaving them for my grandkids,to show how we did it in the old day 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍🤣

I was collecting them too, but they’re good for the log burner 😃

I like writing 'Return to Sender' on them and posting them back - in the hope that this will cost them some money. 🤣😂🤣

Just shut the door done job 😊

Don't even engage with them. Just close the door.

It may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court...............

As long as you know you're innocent absolute silence is all you need even if they apply for the 90hr extension to keep questioning. Just sit there and smile continously. They're starting with nothing so anything you say is ammo. When you get out with no charges solicitors will bite your hand off for the case of violating your rights and you could even push to change the law.

@@mda5003 'May'

Agreed but the bbc won’t agree to this because they would immediately lose 80% of their funding

I wish BBC and ITV would go with subscriptions instead, so you only pay a certain amount per month or per 3 months, per 6 months or 1 year for a slightly reduced amount, like more or less every other service I use, more or less every app I've used which requires subs which can be cancelled at any time with no repercussions if like in these videos on this channel here, you should wish to stop using it. That would be a much more civilised route for the snobs up there to go down.

I've been on their final investigation for 23 years! Longer investigation than the report into the JFK assassination!

Same here, my property has been due an enforcement Muppet visit since early last year. If anyone does turn up they're going to have had a wasted journey. I can't believe that they really think I'd be interested in watching any live TV, let alone paying to do so. When I did pay for a license the only things I watched were a sitcom or two, Top Gear (until Clarkson got fired) and Horizon. All I hear from friends who still pay for a TV license is that "the TV is rubbish these days" 😂

Think implied right of access is only in England not 100% sure if it applies here in Scotland

@@thomas1112002 No it doesn't apply in Scotland. But for the rest of the UK it applies as far as I know.

I'd advise against that. There have been multiple instances of warrants being issued due to the revocation of implied right of access

MP's CAN question the language, but individual MP's have no power. And the BBC isn't the least bit scared of MP's. Only governments can rein-in the BBC and the the BBC knows that they won't...

Don’t get me started on mp’s and the government ! They do nothing but screw us over . They could put a stop to companies threatening people but do they ? Nah , they don’t want the hassle 😡

It still is. The real problem is that schools do not teach our children to understand, and effectively wield, their civil and commercial rights. No, instead its... Be a victim! Make ineffective complaints! Go find a mediator, like a child might go find an adult! Be a law consumer and hire a lawyer! .... anything but actually hold your own ground squarely and with certainly, whilst charging others for undue impositions upon your valuable time and resources. Unfortunately, schools don't raise children to be effective at civic engagement, but rather, to simply be a producer and consumer of goods and services. They absolutely should, but they don't. Teach your kids proper civic engagement (not just how to complain) and they will step out into the world with a major advantage from day 1.

They are NOT officers.

Yes, you wasted his time. Well done.

anyone still paying frankly has too much money to waste....

@@robtheplod More vulnerable people will be scared and more likely to submit.

NPCs pay for it.

That is such a ridiculous judgemental thing to say. Blame them not the innocent people who pay because they do watch live TV iplayer etc. They may not want to pay but you daring to blame them is offensive. Disgusting comment.

@@mmckenzie8085 so are you!

No they're not 'trying for 'force' anything - theyre sending the letters because the previous letters have been ignored. I do not get these letters because I performed the very simple, and easy step of telling them i didn't have a TV. There's not harrasment, just a request for information. The only people who get these letters are those who choose to not inform the TVLA when they've previously made enquiries. This is their right to do this - just as it's TVLAs right to inform them of the law. No 'harrasment', no 'force'. Just people playing silly games and winning silly prizes.

​@@wembleyfordthe letters are written in a horribly manupulative and threatening way to trick elderly and disabled people into buying a liscence. They are selling a service. I would never expect this behaviour from netflix or amazon. So why are they allowed to do it?

@@SaviourInDistress Well you said so yourself - they're absolutely not 'selling a service', they're collecting a license fee that's mandated by law. And if you or any one can find anything in these letters that is manipulative then someone would have a case to sue Capita. No one is being 'forced' into anything - which is what the OP said.

@@wembleyford they are selling a service and they lie and trick their way into your house and "catch" you just owning a tv and use that as a justified means to fine you. Owning a tv isnt illegal

You should definitely keep them as proof of harassment

Currently on my 23rd year of BBC non payment/harassment letters. I'm yet to see the conclusion of their "investigation".

Ive got a couple of years worth, you're well ahead ! you've probably got £159 worth of demands 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

​@klawlor3659 im 31 years without now, Ive had 1 visit 23 years ago. A letter to the occupier every 4 years asking if i need a licence i send it back saying no proof of postage. Do you get much hassle?

​@@stephenholmes1036Now that's an achievement! Not much hassle, never had a visit just loads of paper threats!

That means they're getting desperate coming out in the sticks!

See - that was a tactical mistake - if you hadn't done that you could have posted a video ranting about how ANGRY you were about them sending you letters asking for information, but instead you, err, gave them some information so now you don't have anything to get angry about.

Yeah but where is the form located?

@Emm.jaycee. There is no entity in england called a police 'officer'. Every plod is a sworn CONSTABLE, regardless of whatever rank they achieve. 11:06

Desperation more like

@jennytaylor9858 >>>> All the vans with ariel on the top where for show.... they never worked nor evidence gathered (none) used in a court case. STOP GIVING TVL ANY REASON TO STITCH YOU UP!!!. Never fill out their 178 form = court date You don't need to fill out any forms or give any of your details....... to the BBC (TVL). By giving them your details is that they know your up-to date contact detail to process you through courts - aka court summons.

You're right - it's no hardship to do that and it will keep them off your back. However, I don't tell them that I don't need one on principle :- I don't drive a lorry but the Department of Transport don't keep writing to me to ask if I've got an LGV licence. I'm unmarried, but the Local Registrar doesn't keep writing to ask if I have a marriage licence. I don't fish, but the Rivers Authorities don't keep writing to ask if I have an angling licence. So why does the BBC keep banging on about a licence to watch something that I don't? 😀

That's coercion

It depends on your circumstances. Should they find out you are vulnerable person, have mental or physical health issues they'll do their utmost to scam you. I'm vulnerable adult so I've got threatening letters from them once a month despite informing them I don't need TV licence on their website, had lawyer inform them that due to harassment their right of access is revoked (they used that in court as evidence I must be watching TV and court accept it and fined me £400 and threaten me with contempt of court for asking to explain evidence TV licence provided. One was me refusing them access the other one was, quote: " 21547" repeatedly printed on multiple pages with nothing else written on page. despite not watching TV for over 10years at that point) they also increased the amount of letters they sending afterwards. There's no sat dish, or aerial antenna on my house either, never was and never will be.

@@robertstallard7836 Your analogy doesn't work, if you *purchase* say for example a classic sports car, it's reasonable to assume you bought it with the intention of driving it, if you however bought it with the intention of displaying it in a museum and it was never going to be driven on a road, you would SORN the vehicle, that is *declare* that you aren't using for it's usual purpose and wouldn't pay tax. The same thing applies here, if you purchased a TV, it's reasonable to assume you bought it for its intended purpose of watching TV (simplifying for the sake of argument), if you don't intend to watch TV, you declare it to TV Licensing and you don't pay the Jimmy Saville hush money tax.

@@TheKumaDono I understand what you're saying. However: 1/ The law says that if a vehicle is registered in your name, you HAVE TO either purchase a Vehicle Excise Licence or make a SORN declaration. Failing to do one or the other constitutes an offence. The same does not apply to a TV licence. If you watch live tv then, yes, you need to purchase a tv licence. If you don't, there is no obligation to make any declaration. You can, of course, for the convenience of the enforcement agency, but it is not compulsory. 2/ If there isn't a vehicle registered at your address, DVLA don't keep sending letters telling you that if, by chance, you do own one, you need to register it and purchase a VEL!

I remember that. They even tried delaying tactics to pay the guy. The guy responded saying “I suggest you stop playing games” and eventually they did pay

If you reply to the letters, they stop sending them.

Why would anyone take them to court? You either need a license or you don't. You could ask for a refund - but the answer they'd come back with undoubtedly was - why didn you buy a license if you didn;t need one - then they;'d point at the letters which clearly state why you may not need one.

I totally agree a corporation using bully boy tactics and "enforcers" to flease the public, and just as corrupt as the post office. It seems to be the accepted corporate way to behave today.

Waste of paper, wonder if it goes against environmental policies that most corporate places have to abide by?

Nothing. It's been sub-contracted to Capita, a private company who do the actual enforcement. The amount of revenue Capita generates through getting people to pay for TV licences will be more than enough to pay for the letters, otherwise they wouldn't send them.

It’s tax payer money so they don’t care

You fill in the form and then put it int he bin? Who do you think is going to read your 'FO' message? Are you insane?

Probably trying to switch you over to a different company without you knowing. They've pulled a similar stunt with me a few times, they'll say that they're checking the meter, but what they're actually doing is collecting data from your meter in order to switch you over.

Smart meters have remote access for all valid operatives. If it develops a fault that requires a site visit, that will be arranged before hand. "I'm from the electric" is a would be burglar.

Oo, I'll sign up there, for the sake of myself and my Grandparents. TV is my Gran's only contact with the outside world bless her, other than immediate family and friends who visit most days. I wouldn't wish £174 a year off people in this fassion for this reason.

So why did it take you 5 minutes to get their letter into the recycling bin? I've got my recycling bin under the letterbox so it drops straight in! 🤣

I used to send them back and let them pay the postage now I don’t even open them they go straight in the bin 👍

@@vicwiseman2340 House tidy. Wasn't about to drop important stuff for this crap. :)

@@igavinwood 😃👍

What scandalous behaviour? Obeying the law? It's simple - you either need a license or you don't. How do you think that's a 'protection racket'?

You don't know our history. Back in the 1960s it was illegal to listen to "pirate" radio stations such as Radio Caroline and Radio Jackie, which of course everyone of my age (teenagers) made a point of listening to as much as possible. The disc jockeys became famous, and were snapped up by the BBC - e.g. Tony Blackburn, Johnny Walker, Tommy Vance and Kenny Everett. There's a good reason for regulating the airwaves, though. I live next door to a heliport . . . 🚁

@@MyRackley I can respect that. I do not know your entire history. What I do know is here in America. We have something called the f c c that regulates the airwaves. The citizens of america are not charged for the array's going for the year, but those that produce the airwaves are heavily regulated and cannot transmit without licensing. It just seems very strange to me that the people who would naturally receive these airwaves, Would be the ones that need a special license. If you don't want somebody to receive your airwaves without paying for them in america, you simply scramble it and the customer would pay for equipment to actually be able to unscramble and read the transmission.

It's because the BBC is a government corporation, therefore gotta pay for using their airwaves. Some other countries also charge but are gradually becoming less and less

The license fee is because BBC do not have adverts on their channels. The fee is apparently to pay for the content and also for the upkeep of the transmitting equipment as apparently they own it as far as I know. However, the ITV channels have adverts, but for some reason because they have to use BBC equipment to transmit, you still need a TV licence for that. But if you do not watch any of the national channels and instead stream from Netflix or Disney et cetera then you do not need as TV licence. Most people have a smart TV run from the Internet, so they are able to watch these subscription services without an aerial and transmission from government equipment. However, you can watch national channels via the Internet, but you need an account to login and I think you have to provide your TV licence number in order to activate the account through Wi-Fi. I don’t really have that problem because I don’t watch any of those channels as most of the content is absolute drivel. Hopefully this explains why this is such an issue here and so controversial, particularly as the TV license fee is quite a lot of money and people are struggling just to feed their children. So naturally a TV licence is considered a luxury.

@@jennytaylor9858No, they don't ask for the licence number, just postcode for BBC's account system. That said, there are other ways that can get some evidence there.

I've only been back in the UK 5 months after being away for 20 years and I've had 3 of these already 😂

@@OoohAaah6603 It's absolute harassment & abuse, & would be deemed illegal by any other company!.

😂 that’s amazing

wasting your time, TVL have an arrangement not to return these...... better to send to your MP asking why they permit a state run organisation to harass legally licence free people....

I don't understand why everyone doesn't do that 👍🏻

Return to Sender No Mr L. Occupier. at this Address. Also remember to black out the QR codes in the window so they have to open the envelope to read them, and black out the second half of Licensing on the bottom right of the envelope leaving TV Lice.

Is it legal to shred Mr Occupier's mail? I think you should return to sender it, so they can resend it to his correct address. 🙂

Does anyone even watch live tv on phone

How did she get a fine if she had a tvl ,even if you don't they can't just take you to court you have to be stupid enough to let them in!

She must have let them in, tut tut 😮

@@susie5668 she told them she was watching bbc and Iplayer as she "had" a TV license

I didn't think they could tell

Exactly 💯 mine go straight in the log burner after I've read them for a great laugh 😂

That's my name 🙄

because it's not harassment - it's simple request for information. If you'd bothered to tell them you don't need a license, they'll stop asking you if you need a license. It's not rocket science.

I tried that, but Royal Fail just ignored the decal which is at eye level in huge letters, so I still receive a bunch of please buy my new windows, please buy our new rooves, please buy a new conservatory... nope! sorry! I have no room for one in affordable housing, plus I rent the property, so... straight in the bin with the lot.

😂😂😂

I always past on those questions 😂

😮Sneaky!!! I don't do those surveys

The government will probably give them a licence at our expense!

the government are pathetic

FLOATERS

That’s awesome. I think the moment you drop the “harassment” word in they then back off

Don’t really understand the issue with smart meters. A better tariff and half price leccy on Sundays plus the winter cashback amount to quite a bit.

​@@dwayne_dibleyNot always. My partner got overcharged because her smart meter became faulty. It took many phone calls and much stress and worry, before they finally replaced it.

@@dwayne_dibley ...and external control over your power usage. Ask the people of California who couldnt run their AC or their EVs didnt charge after the governor declared an energy emergency.

I (middle aged disabled man) got literally assaulted (foot in door shoved hard, punched) by a TVL goon while 2 other stood and watched. Cops did nothing, if they won't act on that then there's no hope. The police are not there to serve us, they are there to serve the crown! Now as it happens while i might be disabled... I'm disabled because I was military and an ex pro fighter (judo, mma etc), it did not end well for the goon who ended up with his arm up his back and his 2 colleagues began furiously disavowing his actions and apologizing. This incident is why i denied access to my property to them, and why I informed them Ill respond with appropriate and legal physical force to enforce my right to privacy.

That is a very good question

@@bigolbearthejammydodger6527 I don't suppose you got any of that on camera? Regards.

@@mikeneill6813 nope, this was in the days before modern smart phones, phones had cameras but only for still images.

@@bigolbearthejammydodger6527 I wonder if Apple are working on a "Time Machine" Mode?