I Bet You Can't Refute THIS Book of Mormon Evidence!! 

As a strong member of the church it irritates me to no end when people try to tell me what I believe in. I know what I believe in. Thank you for the video.

Chad - Thank you for the great video. The focal point of the video appears to be discussion/debate with others. You mention, ". . . opponents of the Book of Mormon carefully avoid discussing or debating specific evidence of the Book of Mormon . . ." I've never understood why any missionary-minded member would engage in such discussion. I know you and many members understand this, but it bears repeating. Our message for the world will be received well ONLY by those with an open mind and an honest heart. That's our singular goal - to find these individuals and put a Book of Mormon in their hands and encourage them to find out for themselves. No in-depth doctrinal discussion or debate needed. Personal revelation is the only (true and lasting) way. In 1981 I was 24 years old and came across the church. I wasn't religious and wasn't looking for a church. But I was intrigued by the Book of Mormon. I accepted the invitation to ask God directly if it was true. I thought I was sincere at the outset, but it took 8 months for my heart to become right. During that time I struggled mightily - to remain HONEST WITH MYSELF. I wanted to flush the whole matter many times. It took a LOT of effort. In Aug of that year I received a manifestation of the Holy Ghost that filled me with a level of joy/peace/comfort that I cannot describe. I also received knowledge that I didn't have when I awoke that morning. Among other things, I knew Joseph Smith translated an ancient record, and a restoration of truth occurred in the early 1800s. Five days later I asked to serve a mission. My family didn't understand and that was OK - I did. During that eight months of prayer, I didn't need discussion on doctrinal points - Moroni's promise was my single focus. That was my way of holding the Mormon's feet to the fire. They were making a HUGE, fantastic claim - and I had to find out. When I discuss spiritual matters with an inquirer - I zero in on their heart. Are they truly looking for truth? Are they listening with an honest heart? If not, I keep it short and move on. Thanks again Chad - good work!

Another challenge is this one, most used to discredit BOM is the "no man shall add or take away from this book" from Rev. A careful reading of this admonitions makes it clear that man is not to make changes in the revelations of the Lord: man is not to add to or take from the words of God. There is no indication or intimation that God could not, or would not, add to or take from; nor would any reasonable person with a belief in the divine powers of God consciously believe that God would be so restricted. “I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.” (Rev. 14:6.) The fact that John saw a messenger from God reveal anew a lost gospel (BOM) negates the argument that further revelation could not be added to the Bible.

George Potter of “The Nephi Project” has spent more time on the Lehi trail than anyone else I know-he and his associates are credited with discovering the Valley of Lemuel in the modern era by a westerner. He has studied the geography, language, culture, and history of that region for decades. He claims that the term “borders” refers to mountains in Semitic language and culture. So when Lehi’s group is said to have traveled by the borders of the Red Sea, they were on the east side of the mountains that run along the shore of the Red Sea, which is where access to food and water would be regularly available on the route. Travel on the west side of those mountains would be impossible for a group both geographically and logistically. Great channel Chad, I appreciate your effort and analysis of the Book of Mormon. Detractors throw every conceivable reason (and many inconceivable ones too), but none stick. The only plausible explanation is Joseph Smith’s claim, it was Heavenly power that gave us this wonderful work that is the Book of Mormon. Atheists can’t accept the miraculous nature of its forthcoming, other Christians can’t accept that God has worked in our time as He has always worked so, ironically, can’t accept the miraculous nature of its forthcoming either. We can’t win. So we worship according to our conscience, serve God and mortals, and proclaim the truth when given the opportunity. God bless your work.

I think its important to point out that not every person who leaves the church is doing so because they want to sin or want an "easy" life. I also think it's important to point out that not every source that contradicts the church is out to attack at the church, but is simply pointing out things that do not make sense. I am an active member of the church right now but sadly my wife is going through a faith crisis. I am listening to the things she is learning and it is hard for me and it really shakes my faith. Sometimes. The problem is I am by no means as knowledgeable as a person who grew up in the church should be, and I feel like I'm not very helpful and answering a lot of her doubts and questions. On a positive note, we are getting along and we promise that we will not fight and that this will not divide us. I do not believe you should divorce somebody over a difference in faith. My hope is that I can be the best worthy priesthood holder I can be and that at some point in mine and my wife's differences and concerns will be reconciled and she will come back to church.

I’m not well versed in Mormonism but prior to Joseph Smith there’s so many exploration voyages by the Spanish and Europeans that map their journeys in great detail. I just don’t understand how general descriptions are from the divine. How many places on earth does the last description fit. If I said a river in the middle of the desert one know that river will find its way to a waterfall, lake, or ocean. Typically where there’s water there’s vegetation and where there’s vegetation there is life. Anywhere there’s fast moving water you’ll find minerals and metal and deserts are synonymous for minerals and ore. Deserts usually are remnants of bodies of water and they leave behind minerals and metals and flint is formed from organisms near seawater.

Been a member my whole life. This was fun!

I am a better person because of the Book of Mormon, thanks for your great work

I think this quote from Austin Farrer, English theologian and philosopher (1904-1968) is apt: "Though argument does not create conviction, lack of it destroys belief. What seems to be proved may not beembraced, but what no one shows the ability to defend is quickly abandoned. Rational argument does not create belief, but it maintains a climate in which belief may flourish." Those who used to say that the Book of Mormon had no archeological evidence supporting it have had to abandon that claim. Where are their rational arguments against the Book of Mormon in view of all the new evidence? The Book of Mormon is true. It will continue to be validated at time goes on.

I cannot deny the spirit I feel when reading this book and the bible.

Where do you see evidence that Moses married another wife than Zipporah?

While their candidates for the Valley of Lemuel and the River Laman seem truly impressive, other LDS authors have disputed this location for the Valley of Lemuel, suggesting that it is too far from the shores of the Red Sea and that the path required to reach it is implausible. They have offered an alternative based on a different reading of the text's requirements -fair Mormon

Chad, Thank you for this wonderful geological analysis found in the Book of Mormon. I had never heard this information before. Thank you for helping brin me closer to our Savior and Redemwe.

That’s really good, thanks for that. There’s so much evidence it’s really profound. I love the Book of Mormon. It’s such an amazing book. It is a book written for us or to us in our day . The Book of Mormon prophets teach and preach through a narration of their own experiences. What they teach and preach about is Christ. They preach about his character. How his sacrifices provide a means for us to gain salvation. If we do those things he asks us to, including of course repentance. They teach and preach also of so much more. The Bible is the word of God through his prophets and through Christ himself. As is the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon and Bible support each other and provide a witness of Christ from two different cultures.

I learned some of this, perhaps by watching some videos of Hugh Nibley. He was an amazing man. Thank you for this. Hard to challenge the truth.

Also the distances they would have had to travel to reach the places described would have taken much, much longer than the times stated. I will continue to research based on your video and what is in the Book of Mormon. I also do want to state that I think the Book of Mormon is an amazing book written by a very brilliant man. Joseph was able to create a set of scripture that has done a lot of good for a lot of people. I still read from it alot and find it to be spiritually uplifting. I am impressed that he was able to do this. If he had access to more and more accurate information I feel it would be a very different book as there are just too many anachronisms to overcome based on his knowledge and the knowledge at the time. I hope that people will continue to use it to draw closer to God and hope that my comments are not taken as an attack. The church has done great things and bless the lives of countless millions often in ways that are never seen. However it is my testimony and belief that Joseph was the sole author of the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price.

I am not sure how I found your channel but I am glad I did. I have a strong testimony and love having even more evidence backing it up.

My experience is critics and former LDS members will gladly discuss "truth claim" issues. LDS members seemed to be less informed. Note that critics and members cannot be an expert on every topic, so I think the natural tendency is to go your strength. A strawman point (a logic fallacy) is where you attack a weaker version of a person's argument, not changing the topic (that's a red herring). And attacking Joseph Smith as a polygamist or treasurer digger is an example of an ad hominem.

I believe the Book of Mormon and it's translation was exactly the way the Prophet Joseph Smith said it was! I believed before many of these indisputable evidences were shown. I am 89 years old, and KNOW it was prophesied thousands of years before! We are amazingly blessed to either be born in this Church, as I was, or have faith to accept it and be baptized into it. I truly love your videos and will continue to watch new ones! ❤️

“It’s seems like anytime anyone brings up any evidence or discovery that supports the validity of the Book of Mormon, there’s an explosive counter argument aimed at discrediting it.” Can’t that be said for both sides? Anytime someone brings up historical record or fact that shows the church in a critical light, there’s always an explanation or refute from active members.

I use to be Mormon. I left it after studying the issues raised by the Tanners in "Mormonism: Shadow or Reality." There are simply too many problems with the religion and I won't go into any of them here. The Tanners and many others since them have done an exceptional job at laying them all out. From JS, his accounts, the history, the BOM, BOA, POGP, etc. I see it all as a complete waste of time and I know that one goal of all deceivers is to get one to waste their time so I no longer go there except to refer to my sources.

Thanks I came across your podcasts a few days ago. Keep them coming . All I know it is truly another testament of Jesus Christ as it says, and I have come to love Him by that Book. It came as a gift from God

Hey brother Chad! Love your videos! Now hear me out about this! 🤔 To make your video segments more entertaining how about you give your armored friend in the background there speech bubbles and thought bubble maybe pretend interacting with him at times? You can edit all that stuff in when finalizing your video. I thought this up when you introduced him and the camera focused on him. And I thought it'd be hilarious if a speech bubble appeared making him say "Yo!" 😅😂 Up to you my friend! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm just throwing out random ideas on things I think may help! God bless you and keep up at this! 😊👍

In the early 19th century, public knowledge of Arabian geography was limited, but ancient sources like the Bible and classical texts mentioned fertile regions in southern Arabia, linked to trade routes such as the Incense Route. While most people at the time believed Yemen was entirely desert, regions like Dhofar benefit from monsoon rains, making them fertile. Joseph Smith may have reasoned that coastal areas would be greener based on general geographic principles and possibly fragments of ancient or indirect knowledge from oral traditions or travelers’ accounts. Archaeological discoveries confirming such places could be seen as coincidental, retroactively fitting the Book of Mormon’s narrative. As for Nahom, I’d call it more an educated coincidence than pure luck. Joseph Smith, familiar with the Bible, could have drawn on the name “Nahum” and adapted it for his narrative. This explanation doesn’t require specific geographic knowledge but acknowledges Joseph’s familiarity with religious texts and the tendency to create names that fit historical contexts. While luck remains possible, this explanation suggests intention behind the name without requiring detailed knowledge of the Arabian Peninsula.

One of my favorite little details from these chapters is that Nephi made a new arrow to use with his new bow. Now, I don't know much about archery, but a friend once told me that the reason for this is that arrows designed to work with a metal bow wouldn't work with a wooden one. Do you think Joseph Smith knew about archery enough to include that detail? Later on, the Book of Mormon also describes regions where there were no trees and people made buildings out of clay. Do you think Joseph Smith knew about native architecture in the American Southwest and Northwestern Mexico?

The word Nahom in Hebrew means "groan, mourn" (see Strong's Concordance Proverbs 5:11; Ezekiel 24:23 and Isaiah 51:11). How would Joseph Smith have known this? The Book of Mormon is a record from those that were there and then the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God.

I will attempt to meet this challenge. The arguments I lay out don’t necessarily relate to each other. 1. It is not inconceivable Smith had access to a map. As you said, a map of the area with the site listed was available in the United States at the time. Olcer Cowdery was a school teacher, as was smith’s father at a point. It is not unreasonable to believe Smith had access to a map. This is actually the most probable explanation if not coincidence. 2. The place where the altars with the inscription NHM were found are on *the other side of the mountain range from the path the Book of Mormon outlines* The BOM states Lehi reached Nahom and turned East. Not that they turned East and traveled across an incredibly difficult mountain range to Nahom. I’ve spent time in the Arabian peninsula. The mountains are no joke. This isn’t a trivial difference. The narrative indicates a coastal location. 3. This is also to point out that the place of Nehem, on the map, is not the same place where the altars with the inscription were found. The trek to Nehem the site,if that’s where you want to place the narrative of the BOM to, would be even more dangerous and difficult. Requiring a 140 mile trek through the mountains. This isn’t even a singular site or burial location, but dozens scattered throughout the mountains. 4. The inscription of “NHM” in Semitic languages. The H and M in the characters at the Nehem site DO NOT MATCH the same characters used on the altars at the discovery site of the NHM altars. While in English the letters are the same, the actual inscriptions and sounds are different. It’s the equivalent of translating A and Z the same from English. 5. As for the description of the setting off point. That could be a description of dozens of places on the Arabian coastline there and is extraordinarily vague. Mountains and good winds and animals are not at all unique to that area.

One more thing to add: Nephi says they ateraw meat. It turns out that raw meat contains a high level of vitamin C, which prevents scurvy. This was discovered by Robert Scott’s south pole expedition. They were starving and ate seal meat. But they cook the seal meat and started to get scurvy. They learn from the locals that if they ate it raw they didn’t get scurvy. Another lucky guess by Joe Smith.

I’m a faithful member of the Church and I just don’t see how Nahom (and chismus) can be explained by any other means than divine authorship

At 7:50, you put a lot of emphasis into "was CALLED Nahom" (1 Ne. 16:34); thus "indicating that it was an already named place." I assume you mean named by others not of Lehi's group. 1 Ne. 18:7 states: "... my father had begat two sons, in the wilderness: The eldest WAS CALLED Jacob...". Did others name Jacob? No. He was given that name at birth, and Nephi writing years later (or Smith's dictation style), uses the phrasing "was called." Note that 1 Ne. 16:33 (the verse before the "Nahom verse) states: "...we did again take our journey, travelling nearly the same course as in the beginning; and after that we had travelled for the space of many days, we did pitch our tents again, that we might tarry for the space of a time." Lehi's group had spent some time there, so by the time Ishmael died, it had been named and already called Nahom by Lehi's group.

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and Aramaic, languages we know to have existed, with an alphabet, syntax and phoenetic rules. There are ancient manuscripts of the Old Testament, written in sentences that scholars can understand. The New Testament was written in Greek, a language with letters, an alphabet, that follow rules of syntax and grammar. There are ancient manuscripts of the New Testament, that have been translated from that language. The Book of Mormon exists only as a published English account. The Book of Mormon is claimed to have been written from "reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics," in some sort of letters, alphabet, with rules of syntax, grammar and phoenetic rules. There is NO existing alphabet of "reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics," only a few single characters written on a piece of paper, copied from the golden plates, and shown to Prof. Charles Anthon, whom Mormons claim validated the characters, but which his own letter denies. There are also no "reformed Egyptian hieroglyphic" words, sentences, or paragraphs anywhere in any manuscript form. There are also no existing metal plates of this language. So there IS NO PHYSICAL, ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE FOR THE BOOK OF MORMON AT ALL. It is only Joseph Smith and a handful of followers who said they saw these golden plates. However, these "witnesses" would have had no idea, had they looked at any sentences or words engraved on the plates, what they actually were, or said, since they were not conversant in Hebrew, Aramaic, Egyptian hieroglyphics, Mayan or Aztec.

Pretty cool. Doesn’t affect my testimony either way. We have seen what facts or signs do to build a testimony (not much). But I was glad to hear a perspective from that geographic region. I do find it pretty amazing the things that JS wrote how can it not be inspiring. Thank you for putting this together. No one asked or should care but I am a one hill guy😊

Although this may be considered compelling evidence by many, let me present this idea: Noham does not contain the root Hebrew letters of the described location Nehem. How do I know this? Because Nehem does not have a soft 'H' (ה) sound in the center, but a gutteral 'Kh' (ח). We could clear this up, but we don't have any evidence of the language used to write the book of Mormon, specifically this word, otherwise scholars outside of the Church would be able to study and more clearly show the connection between the site and the literature. The second issue is still found in the writing. Since the the BoM was not written in Hebrew, we cannot use the Hebrew alphabet to accurately decipher the location, or the word. What does reformed Egyptian sound like? If we want an example of Hebrew and Egyptian, lets look at the word "Egypt" itself. In ancient Egypt, which was also a written language which relied on consenants and not vowels, we find that it refered to itself by three letter: KMT. Perhaps KeMeT? But now lets look at the Hebrew language and its many refernces to Egypt, or Mitzrayim. It is quite different then KeMeT and none of the two languages refers to the land as "Egypt"... But Mormon does. In Mormon 9:32 it speaks of the written language with which this book was inscribed as "reformed Egyptian". But why would it call it egyptian? Wouldn't we have a more accurate word to describe the language, as well as the writing system which the author was utilizing? Since the author or translator did not find it necessary to accurately transliterate the words "Reformed Egyptian" to closely represent the language and sounds that Reformed Egyptian would make, we cannot assume that Nahom was transliterated with any greater attention to detail either. After all, archeologists do not look up the names in a KJV Bible to pinpoint a location in the holy land, they refer to the original language.

If Joseph had listened to the tale of someone who had traverse that route, then he would know what the route was like. I believe the BOM is divined inspired, but this is one possible explanation a non-believer might suggest. NHM inscriptions were discovered later though, so that would need some different reason from non-believers, but I'm sure they can come up with something.

Thanks for the video brother, this is the kind of stuff I want appearing in my recommended section!

Chad incredible video. You have added so much more to these two chapters that I have often used to make the same argument. There is one thing I would like to add that should not be glossed over. The specific detail about the direction of travel. I have always been a student of navigation. Both airplanes and sailboats are my greatest passion. Open up any map of the Sinai Peninsula. From Jerusalem to Nahom, 1 Nephi 16:13 says, "and it came to pass that we traveled for the space of four days, NEARLY A SOUTH-SOUTHEAST direction. Not south, not south east, but NEARLY A SOUTH-SOUTHEAST direction! Are you kidding me? Look at the map- it's precisely accurate along the borders of the Red Sea. And then again flip the page to 1 Nephi 17:1. "And we did travel and wade through much affliction in the wilderness; and we did travel NEARLY EASTWARD. You can only go East from Nahom as you pointed out. But it doesn't merely say EAST, it's much more precise! NEARLY EASTWARD. Ain't no way no how Joseph Smith could have nailed all of the detail you have so eloquently laid out in your video, and the level of detail on something as simple as their direction of travel is so perfect! Thank you again for such a fantastic video.

And I'll definitely review this later when I have time. I'll definitely refute this later when I have time. I'm busy right now

The very first problem with this, and the one that kills the evidentiary claim in the first instance, is that the described voyage in the text says they traveled by the border (shoreline is the border of bodies of water) of the Red Sea until they arrived at Nahom. The proposed site of Nahom by apologists is not by the border of the Red Sea. Not at all. The proposed site is 120 miles inland. There's an essentially impassible mountain range between it and the border of the Red Sea. So, the Nahom proposal does not match what the text demands, in the first instance. I can go into much greater detail on this, if you'd like.

what bothers me is that the book of mormon is much later than bible bible says not to preach another gospel or to add to the words of scripture even if it is revealed from an angel muhammad said he got book bt angel just like joseph smith. But satan can turn himself into an angel of light remember. And satan is the source of the "unexplainable" things written in those books perhaps.

This is pure truth!❤

I have been a faithful member of the church of jesus Christ of latter-day saints. Most of my life. I have listened to both sides of many arguments. I have even heard negativity from family members. But my faith in Jesus Christ and the way he has established through living prophets is unwavering. I refuse attacks on the book of Mormon as validity attacks on Joseph Smith as being a prophet or so-called evidence showing Jesus Christ as a near mortal. No matter how thing you slice it, it's still baloney. I believe in Jesus Christ, the son of the living god. I believe the book of Mormon is the truth and that Joseph Smith translated it through the gift and power of God. I believe that he was a prophet sear and revelator as I believe the prophet seeer and revelator today. Russell Nelson.

Greetings! Question for Item 1: How would a caravan traverse the edge of the Red Sea where a road did not exist, that would have experienced significant erosion making the travel extremely difficult, and do so from Aelena to the referenced Wash (not a River) that was 72 miles in three days?

Obviously Joseph Smith made this all up. He had a huge library and a big stock pile of ancient maps of Arabia under his bed. He memorized them and then made a bunch of good guesses.

To many people want love proof, and hate faith. I'm glad to see this proof, even though my faith in the BOM, Joseph Smith, and the Lord Jesus Christ is rock solid. It's just think it's cool to see and hear this proof after my faith.

This evidence may or may not convince people of the authenticity of The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, but it's important not to cede ground to those who are anti-christ. Not everybody has a spiritual witness, and until they do we need to ensure the opposition they face is challenged.

People often point out that we don’t have ancient American geography for the Book of Mormon like we do for the Bible and say that this is why the Book of Mormon can’t be true. Yet they forget for the Bible Jerusalem still stands and has been populated for thousands of years without changing. When you have a starting place for geography then you can follow directions from that place. We don’t have a starting point yet for the americas in the Book of Mormon but when you use the starting place known in the old world everything lines up exactly! This book is from God!

At 10:45, you state "In Joseph Smith's day, it was considered common knowledge that there was nothing but desert along the entire southeast coast of the Arbian penisula." Per Vogel, "Joseph Smith: Making of a Prophet" (2004, pp. 138-139): "Smith’s contemporaries knew that southern Arabia was fertile. Jedidiah Morse’s 1802 Geography [Geography Made Easy, p. 388] described it thus: 'But the southern part of Arabia, deservedly called the Happy, is blessed with an excellent soil, and, in general, is very fertile. There the cultivated lands, which are chiefly about the towns near the seacoast, produce … oranges, lemons, pomegranates, figs, and other fruits; honey and wax in plenty, with a small quantity of corn and wine.'"

Love your videos. So I read about how our FBI was able to track down the Uni-bomber. The Uni-bomber had a distinct writing style. If you read or listen to the BofM. You can tell when the Authors change.

Without being negative, I will give a possible explanation for why he could have known these things. I believe duly (due + ly I believe but I'm putting this here incase that's a different word I wrote) that the Book of Mormon, could have been inspiration from the Holy Spirit, that she may have guided his pin (metaphorically) towards the writing of the Book of Mormon. That Joseph Smith Jr. was a Prophet of God, and that he was guided by the Lord in his mission. The book to me, needs not to be literal to be a true revelation from the Lord concerning these things of the earth. Clearly however what you have said proves to me that Joseph Smith Jr. through inspiration of the Spirit or the literal findings of the Golden Plates buried and protected by the Prophet Moroni, was a chosen messenger of the Lord. I have had much fascination with the Book of Mormon, I am saddened by the mistreatment of it by the Community of Christ, by I still attest that the Book of Mormon is indeed a Revelation from the Lord, and that Joseph Smith Jr. along with all the Prophets after him are indeed chosen by the Lord.

The place they found is not called Nahom . It’s Nehem. How is that a hit ? It’s still NHM. This is thin gruel at best . Painting the bullseye around the target . What strikes me in the Book of Mormon is the desperation of the author and the church to connect it to the Old World and the absence of connections to the cultures of the Americas. Remember the burden of proof is upon you to provide a explanation. Not the critic . That’s a shifting of the burden of proof . You have a incredible and fantastic claim but the strength of the evidence you provide is weak, if this is the best you have no wonder people are leaving the church. Conjecture and possibilities are not evidence . Why couldn’t Joseph have copied the name from the Bible? That is a perfectly plausible , naturalistic explanation. What is one word in Chronicles compared to many chapters of Isaiah? People get so impressed that he knew a route to the sea . Why is so implausible for Joseph Smith to have had access to a map, a atlas ? We know he frequented the library. All of these weak , exaggerated “evidences” can be so easily explained by real mundane explanations

I'm not sure when this video came out - I just found it, so I apologize for the late response. Also, I did not take the time to read all 326 comments you already received, so I apologize if this is a repeat of what someone else said. I am an active member of the Church and have heard this evidence before. It can't be argued or disputed. But I can share what my son's ex-girlfriend told me. She said she was a Christian and had heard these evidences before. Her explanation was that "now" (this was about 20 years ago) people believe the Book of Mormon is authentic, but they don't believe the whole Joseph Smith story of how he translated the plates. They believe that Joseph Smith got possession of the Book of Mormon somehow and then made up the whole Moroni and translation story. With that "explanation" they can believe the Book of Mormon is true without believing the Church is true.

This is incredible. Thank you for sharing

To all haters and deniers, please WRITE A COMPARABLE BOOK with all the SAME unique features and in the SAME conditions and timeline as Joseph translated the book. Ready, set GO!!!. Please report back here in 65 days . . . nah, we'll give you 90 days. NEVER has one person ever taken up the invitation. If you won't or don't, please just go away and troll a chess tournament instead. If you open to an honest non-accusatory conversation, we look forward to such a chat.

When you start changing your testimony under oath in a Supreme Justice Court to another testimony the whole Case gets thrown out. When the supposed Prophet changes his Testimony from seeing the Angel Nephi to the Angel Moroni in the Book Of Mormon it renders the whole Case in Question , not only to his position of his Office, but to all that follow him. BUT more importantly to GOD. YET WE STILL TODAY SEE PEOPLE FOLLOWING HIS BLOODY LIES. Freak I dont get it.

There are different writing styles because JS copied a many different books from the Bible. Your argument isn't saying what you think it's saying. Not a strawman btw.

Nephis account of the journey and details therewith, fit like a glove for such a journey in the Arabian Pennisula. More stunning detail could have been more fully described such as finding unlikely Iron type on surface just right to melt at low temps with bellows so as to make tools and parts to make a ship. American Nephite geography will, when fully understood and put together, will eventually also fit very well with Book of Mormon narative as Nephites left clues to be shared and understood on the great light of the internet.

Moses did not practice polygamy. I found nowhere in the Bible that tells us this.

YES, many people (especially protestants and evangelicals in particular) immediately quote Jesus warning of false prophets or Satan appearing as an angel of light - as though Jesus had said _all_ prophets and _all_ apostles were to be false, and as though _all_ angels were nothing more that Satan in the flesh appearing to lead us astray by telling us that 1) Jesus is the Christ, the veritable Son of GOD, the beginning and the end, the first and the last; and that 2) GOD is the same yesterday, today and forever, and he calls apostles and prophets today, just as he did anciently. Evil doctrines, these, and I can see why he would want to deceive the world by making people believe them!

Your so right whatever they throw at us there is always a good answer for it.

Good stuff!

The evidence for the book of Mormon is the book itself as a witness of Jesus Christ. Also the three witnesses and the eight witnesses were commanded by God to be witnesses of its truthfulness.

Identifying places does not make the miracles true. Claims, claims, claims but where is the evidence that the claims are true. There is not a single thing you said that either convinces me that the Book of Mormon is evidence or that any spiritual (whatever that is) truths.

Well done keep it up just a wonderful presentation

what's the "alter"? Is a table is it something that the people built in the story Is it something they would have used how was it used

Wait I didn't even know Moses was a poly man that's crazy!! I just looked it up right now.

I'd heard about NHM 20-something years ago, and about Bountiful. It was only more recently that I heard about the Valley of Lemuel. If Joseph were writing this to try to come across as authentic, or to show off, he would have tipped his hand and tripped up in details. Many of these really interesting details are instead given in passing, as the authors pursue their missions. Nephi had a purpose in writing the Small Plates, and it wasn't to show off a Yankee's cleverness in sneaking peaks at maps in 1829. The way that detractors try to suggest Joseph could have put this together as a creative project shows an overestimation of the writer's craft that, as a fiction author, I should find flattering, but mostly I find fatuous.

I can tell you that Joseph was not a perfect man like us all even though he practiced Polygamy does not refute the evidence of the book of Mormon and its Authenticity thanks for the this presentation!

Just because a guy made a prediction that was right, doesn't mean that guy was a prophet even if the protection Seem to be Out of this world or mohammad would be a problem too.

Chief midegah of the ojibwe nation and the birch bark scrolls (being released now). The nemenhah records. Two things to check up and study. And the fact native Americans are petitioning the lds church for recognition.

Oasis in the desert. That’s amazing an angel revealed that to JS .

The cave of Lehi, was also found in that area. The letters LH are engraved. Not 100% proof but, Virtually 1,000,000 to 1 it is the cave.

This isn't really relevant to the video but my first question to the validity of the bom (although I didn't call it a question at the time) is the word for word copy from Isiah to second Nephi and the sermon on the mount in 3rd Nephi. How does reformed Egyptian match up with the king james bible word for word? I'm no language expert by any stretch of the imagination, but this doesn't add up unless you are coming from a place of unquestionable faith in the bom. To me there are legitimate problems with church history and modern church trurh claims. I started questioning my beliefs with the assumption that there would be answers, but there are just more questions. And "just don't ask some of those questions" doesn't work.

I was LDS for practically my whole life and LOVED it! I studied LDS apologetics and always enjoyed talking to people who doubted the church. I prayed about the Book of Mormon and felt extreme peace, so I was ready to trust God over man regarding the Book of Mormon's authenticity. In my mind, since God is truth, any evidence that debunked the Book of Mormon would eventually fall and truth would win out. In my LDS walk I would even see people's arguments against the Book of Mormon crumble as more evidence came to light. I loved Hugh Nibley and any other LDS academic who studied these topics. I NEVER thought I would EVER leave the church. One day, as I was reading the Book of Mormon, a voice that I believe was Heavenly Father's said, "You don't know me." I thought that very strange until He said, "You don't know my Son." I was convicted. I had never read the Bible or Christ's words cover to cover. I started reading the Bible and found a reliable translation (written in everday tongue) that follows thousands of manuscripts including the Dead Sea Scrolls. The LDS eighth Article of Faith says "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly." (The KJV of the Bible is written in Old English with grammar that we don't understand. I can't tell you how many KJV people teach from scripture they constantly get wrong because of the grammar. Plus, since Joseph Smith's time, there have been more accurate translations than the KJV. See meaning vs. word for word translations to understand.) I started reading and kept allowing man-made LDS definitions of the Bible to change Biblical definitions. (The Bible, not man, needs to define itself. And the Bible indeed does this.) A voice, I believe was Heavenly Father, pointed out that I was letting man define the Bible and to read it as if I had never heard of Christianity or religion. Let the words speak for themselves. When I did this, the Bible's words and power convicted me. I then knew the Bible was in opposition of the words of the Book of Mormon and the doctrine of the LDS church. John 6 says, "For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up. 45 As it is written in the Scriptures,[i] ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me." This is what Heavenly Father did for me. He brought me to Christ and taught me. Now, to answer your question. I had a similar understanding of LDS archaeology as an LDS believer. Later, through biblical eyes, I again studied Joseph Smith as a Christian with a better understanding of the Bible and its contents. I realized that Joseph Smith dabbled in witchcraft like a lot of superstitious settlers did in that century. From his own words, he said that he found a stone while digging a well and would put it in his hat and divine information from it. LDS church history also confirms that the majority of the Book of Mormon translation came not from Joseph Smith's Urim and Thumim (which wasn't historically accurate either according to the Bible's description of the real Urim and Thumim) but by a rock in his hat. I have been to Temple Square in Salt Lake and the Church History Center has a picture of this rock on display and a description of how Joseph used it for translation. In Deuteronomy 18:10 it says "10 There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering,[e] anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer 11 or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, 12 for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord." I don't think Joseph Smith was a con man. I think he sincerely believed in what he preached. And I agree that it would be improbable that he personally wrote the Book of Mormon for various reasons. However, it would not be improbable for demons to write it instead. If you study someone who channels spirits, the spirits will give the audience very detailed geographical or historically accurate data of events. However when you ask the spirit about specific names of people, you will find that those people never existed. I believe demons travel the earth and have seen human history. I think there have been indigenous people, events, or locations that exist that have been recorded in the Book of Mormon. (Hence Book of Mormon archaeology.) But not in the scale or specifics that are mentioned. There are A LOT of problems with the Book of Mormon. (Please see Expedition's Bible The Bible vs. The Book of Mormon.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2AVksae-Frk.htmlsi=WT-ouvhwuTz5Pv2l To address other LDS people's comments about praying about the church, getting a feeling of peace, and thereby satisfying Moroni's promise, there is a HUGE flaw in that. Feelings are fickle. If you talk to someone who is involved in New Age, they experience supernatural feelings of peace and love over doctrines or experiences that are contrived through the occult. Demons can manipulate your emotions. Hosea 4:6 says, "my people perish due to a lack of knowledge." And Jeremiah 17:9 says, "The heart is deceitful above all things,and desperately sick; who can understand it?" Since we can't trust our feelings we have to look at what the Biblical standard is for testing a person who claims to be a prophet. Joseph Smith claimed to be a prophet so we need to put him under the Deuteronomy 18:22 test. "If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared." (Please see Expedition Bible's Test of a Prophet.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FrqkaKz_SSg.htmlsi=vCiiNpw_GBjjPryP Another test we can reliably use to examine the authenticity of the Book of Mormon using the Bible can be found in Galatians 1:8. It says, "8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." Joseph Smith was taught another gospel from an angel (Angel Moroni). If you look at salvation in the Book of Mormon, it does not match the salvation taught in the Bible. That is a game changer! (For more information, please check out Mormon's Impossible Gospel by Aaron Shafovaloff.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NzdIgOO4Pp8.htmlsi=WToPBxkyyFL_4-BE I appreciate you looking into these issues. If you really want to find truth, I believe Jesus will reveal it through His word. I love you all!

At 5:20, you mention Wadi Tayyib al-lsm. (From my 2020 notes:) Once Lehi and Family reached the Red Sea (Gulf of Aqaba), they traveled 3 days to the valley of Lemuel. I see the coastal location of Wadi Tayyib al-lsm (28°33'35"N, 34°48'6"E) as not plausible. The mountains come to the ocean starting about 4 miles north of this Wadi and continuing about 2 miles south of this Wadi. Before that, the mountains as come to the ocean about 13 to 19 miles north of this Wadi. Therefore, it is unlikely a family with camels carrying tents and provisions took this coastal route. The next inland route due to the mountains I found is about 15 miles inland ("crosses" Wadi Tayyib al-lsm at about 28°35'52"N, 35° 3'20"E). It does not seem likely that Lehi would have known the river flowed into the Red Sea from here. It is also unlikely that the river continued to flow for the time they were there (going back and forth to Jerusalem to get the brass plates and Ishmael's family).

It is clear that Joseph Smith had access to historical documents from Egypt, including the Egyptian funerary papyrus that he mistranslated, and may have had documents from all the region. The description of him as an ignorant farm boy is definitely wrong. Other people with better knowledge of the Book of Mormon and of the historical domuments available in Smith's time can give more exact information, but it is clearly possible that Smith investigated maps of the region and possibly myths and legends of the region before writing this journey of Lehi.

What is the current name of the river that Lehi named Laman? I have spent the last few hours researching and can find no rivers that run year round anywhere near the area most believe he traveled. I am interested in your theory but am having a hard time finding locations that match the descriptions provided in 1 Nephi. You seem to have done a lot of research on this and I am doing my best to follow your presentation to find the evidence you state is there. Thank you.

"And it came to pass." Repeated ad nauseum in the Book of Mormon. Ridiculous language.

Another slam dunk brother. Keep up the great work. This is one of my favorite evidences of the Book of Mormon.

So you think it's somehow in take it over anything that he said there was an oasis, and the desert? That's hardly rare

They had maps in rural upstate New York. He could have easily fabricated a story based on a map of the Middle East available to him. The only proof I would accept from Smith is original documents. The church needs to provide the source material, otherwise the authenticity of the BOM will always be questionable. Also look up View of the Hebrews.

El Libro de Mormon es verdadero y el Profeta José Smith fue un profeta de Dios para nuestros días, saludos desde Montevideo, Uruguay!

I love what you're doing. Thank you! About the subject of Joseph Smith being a polygamist, have you ever researched the evidence hat Joseph Smith never practiced polygamy? I thought it was ridiculous until I actually researched it myself and now I am 99% sure he never did (one reason is because he flat out denied that he did as well as his family) and that polygamy is not a true doctrine. There are so many things to go into but Rob Fotheringham has a lot of good videos that prove that as well as Hemlock Knots, Jeremy Hoop, and Michelle Stone.

With so many archeological anachronisms, DNA issues, Deutero-Isaiah, themes in the BOM matching Joseph’s day along with no post BOM revelations in the BOM (temple endowment, eternal marriage, word of wisdom, tithing, etc) it’s hard to reconcile. In my humble opinion the items pointed out in this presentation don’t have the same weight as the aforementioned problems. This is why I wish apologists and critics could have more open debates. But both suffer from screaming in their own echo chambers (and no the CES LETTER vs FAIR MORMON doesn’t count as a debate)

Its a pretty straightforward argument as far as im concerned. We know that this area was mapped and maps were distributed at the time. Therefore we know that information coule have been available to Joseph Smith at the time through various means. We cannot however show the likelyhood of god writting the book, AND we cannot show that smith would have had acess to golden plates, there is no physical evidence to support god or the plates, but there is evidence to support the existence of maps. Leaving the access to map theory still the more likely senario here.

I don't know and am researching on how this makes sense ad Missionaries visit me. I am also one who learns across the spectrum. My Input: The method that Joseph Smith does this seems inconsistent with the bible. I don't find revelation coming like this to anyone else? I've had information from heaven too so I can't really knock him. I am also a Universal Minister and study multiple faiths an spiritual ideas. He was a Seer... A seer can see this information if they are working with The Almighty Creator or a lesser elohim... in fact I see getting information from spirt a thing. This being what is actually prohibited in the bible but Divination of Yahweh not prohibited, practiced by Aaron. However I seen the people, they will credit the stones often before God, or whatever opens the path. God is the source of knowledge. Did he get this from the same God I know? Thats more my question. I had just learned of this info the other day, thanks for getting it out, as people really using God's Wisdom need to use him for Discernment and not be quick to decide. Reviewing all things and keeping what is good!

The apologetics for the Book of Mormon (including those presented here) are strained and tortured beyond the point of absurdity. There is no credible evidence whatsoever that any of it is true. A stream intersecting a river...a place in the desert with a name kinda sorta like the one we're looking for. You're like someone who is lost and trying to make the map fit what he sees in order to convince himself that he knows where he is. See! There's a hilltop and I need a hilltop so that hilltop must be the right one! This is the Ron Wyatt version of Mormonism. DNA evidence alone proves the entire thing a fabrication. It always amazes me the lengths people will go to in order to justify orchestrating their life around something that is so clearly, demonstrably, bat-shit crazy.

He must of had a map

At 4:12, you state that Lehi leaves Jerusalem. (From my 2020 notes:) 1 Nephi 1:4: In the book of 2 Kings 24:17, King Zedekiah was made king AFTER the first Babylonian siege where Nebuchadnezzar II carried "all Jerusalem" (all princes, all "mighty men", all "craftsmen and smiths", and 10,000 captives) and "none remained, save the poorest sort of the people of the land." (2 Kings 24:14). Lehi's family had to be "upper class" (gold, silver, the family could read, Nephi could write) so how did Lehi's family escape?

I disagree with your reasonings . Joseph knew all the details because he made them up, after he plagiarized the story. Joseph describing geography doesn’t make a story history. A man obsessed with Hebrews reading middle eastern maps and history to craft a story isn’t really miraculous at all. Nor is the fact that his stories are easily debunked many times over. Schokars will say they happened, just like they also won’t say that a mass exodus or global flood happened because we see the data pointing away from the claims of said events. To say Joseph had no access to livraries is odd claim since thrum went to university and educated Joseph and was one of his co-conspirators, as were the followers of several preachers. How has the journey been verified when your church can’t agree if the bom took place in usa, Mexico or South America? You are misusing the term “strawman” a strawman is when someone misrepresents an argument you have made. God didn’t command Moses to commit polygamy. Plenty of characters in the bible worshiped a golden calf or Baal, are you going to start worshiping Baal because they did?a character doing something does not mean God condones it. The New Testament explicitly condemns polygamy in 1 Timothy 3:2. Furthermore deuteroisaiah and kjv errors and plagiarism demonstrate BOM was written in the 1800s. The diary of Joseph’s mum also demonstrates Joseph told these stories long before he said he translated gold plates. He was a storyteller conman. You mention animals. Even if we ignore every other factor, animals alone debunk the Book of Mormon. Please abandon this abusive book and church. Joseph was a pedi& abuse has been rampant throughout the entire history of your church. Just last April they with gop hid abusive bishops from the law instead of protecting lds kids! apnews.com/article/mormon-church-child-sex-abuse-e02ae4470a5a53cbeb9aa146ff2762ac

I am writing from the famous Lehigh Valley in Pennsylvania, whose name Joseph Smith stole for his angel. You need to make up your mind,. Was Joseph Smith an ignorant yokel l or was he intelligent and wily? He can't possibly be both. You did not prove that Smith had no access to maps of Arabia, you claim that he had no access with ZERO evidence! At the time almanacs of all kinds were available, even in America's smallest hamlets. These almanacs contained maps of the world. So it IS likely that Smith could have seen a map of Arabia before he wrote the Book of Mormon. Novelists can set their stories in New York without visiting it using maps alone. Your arguments lack proof that Joseph Smith had no access to maps of the Middle East or proof that he was ignorant as you claim. Feel free to delete this post which you cannot refute with logic

Give me my 14 minutes back lol. NHM has been such a joke of an apologetic. I actually thought you were going to bring up something new

At no point anywhere in any language does Biblical history state that Moses was a polygamist as a matter of fact quite the opposite. Lie 1 knocked out. The Bible is also quite clear in not adding or taking away from it. The book of Morman is an addition to a Bible that refutes it. Lie 2 knocked out.

Find archeological evidence for the book of mormon first. Also I don't believe in the bible either so your early points are moot.

By the way I lived Near the hill, cummorah Yeah, so where are all the amendments of the massive battle that occurred there? Oh yeah, there are none. I Visit They had the replica cabin where supposedly the angel appeared. I was laughing my backside off the entire time.

At 7:41, you mention "Irreantum" (meaning “many waters”, 1 Ne. 17:5.) but didn't discuss it in your video. (From my 2020 notes:) It’s NOT Hebrew. It’s NOT Egyptian. LDS Apologists propose that Lehi’s family spoke to locals as the wandered in the WILDERNESS for 8 years (1 Ne. 17:4). The LDS Apologists break Irreantum into three parts. First, the pre-Islamic, South Semitic root of rwy that has to do with watering. Second, the common affix -an. Third, -tum MIGHT derive from a Semitic root tm that means “completeness” or “wholeness.”

Look up LDS video on Revelation 12. It shows the stars testify that Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God, because he could not have chosen when he would be born to exploit the first ever Revelation 12 sign since the time John recorded it. It shows that the Revelation 12 sign occurred on Roshishona when Joseph was given the gold plates. Only God could have orchestrated that.

It’s pretty simple. If it was, as you say, “common knowledge that there was nothing but desert along the entire southeast coast of the Arabian peninsula” (a pretty specific detail) then knowledge of the rest of the items you talk about (mountains, valleys, rivers, landmarks) could just as easily have been available in Joseph Smith’s day. If the Book of Abraham is allowed a “long scroll theory” then I’ll invoke the “he obviously had a map theory”. That is the logical conclusion. And just as the name “Alma” was thought to only be a girl’s name in Joseph’s time and that was touted as evidence for the Book of Mormon’s authenticity until it was discovered that there were indeed men named Alma living near Joseph Smith, don’t be surprised when we find out that Arabian maps were actually available to him as well. `

Your concluding statement, saying if the Book of Mormon is a real history then Joseph must be a prophet. There are so many people who have written very convincing books claiming to have received knowledge from heavenly beings that are pretty convincing. Does that make them prophets? This is a weak argument

How come you don't consider the math evidence of Nebuchadnezars dream as an exact treasure map that pinpoints the book of Mormon exactly in 1830? Utube video BOA ep 16

I like how you said you’ll delete a video cause they have a view point you don’t like😅 doesn’t really help people ask questions and censors other thought points