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Generally speaking, the variencs or gap descripencies are most likely from using eva foam decking vs the original carpet. The lids are made with a gap to accommodate the thickness of the carpet when it's wrapped over the edges. Depending on the quality or pound rating if the Marine carpet, each edge of carpet adds 1/8-1/4 of thickness to each side. Multiply that times 4 edges and the gap is gone. Nice job with the decking foam. You could always reinforce those edges with angled aluminum and framing it out.
Looking good dude, RELAX. Your girl did a bang up job on that adhesive removal, I know how much of a pain in the ass that is and the soar fingers it leaves you with. Don't sweat the small stuff man, this is a budget build and your getting great results. People watching this series are not expecting you to build a brand new boat on a budget, most of us just enjoy this type of content and or can throw ideas out there that might help. Keep up the good work! 👍
Here's an idea for anyone attempting this, create a line down the center. When I'm working on my 14 foot V bow I ran a string from front center to rear center and made pencil marks along the line. Unless the boat is more than 80 inches you have enough to span the entire width. Before starting to cut the material measure the edges so you use the odd size on the outside, if not cutting it off? I watched a video where a guy used blue painters tape (no cardboard) to create the template. He was able to peel it off the kayak and apply it to the sea deck. I understand a boat template is much larger than a kayak. Great video.
This idea meshes with some of the other videos. Find a centerline and work out from there. Decide if you want the actual center to be an accent gap, a full slat, or a slot. Most applications are making an accent gap instead of trying to do a seamless look. With the accent gaps, the pieces for one side will be mirrors of the other side. Measure, plan, make templates, measure, adjust templates, measure, THEN CUT.
The deck extension pieces were designed to have carpet for proper spacing so with the foam you don't have that buffer you get with carpet so you will either have to redesign the lids and add supports or remove them completely for it to look right.
I just went through a similar project on my homebuilt small skiff, using a one color grey EVA foam. This was also from Amazon. I wasn't removing a carpet first , as this deck had a molded anti slip pattern. That required the band grinding work to remove, - right down to the glass laminate. Next of, I used an oil based primer/gelcoat like you did. Not as tough as the original gelcoat, but it seals and it looks fine. Its easy to repair scratches as well. The thing with foam is, that it has a substantial heat expansion in the sun. This is the reason I learned, trying to make seams invisible is a waste of time. Make some purposely separated smaller areas instead. That's much better. That might even help to drain the deck better! Even if the separation width vary a little, it doesn't look bad. If you are worried about the dampening of noise, I don't think that a 1/4 - 1/2 inch stripe of bare deck between the foam areas makes any difference. Unless you are using spiked wadingboots maybe ;-) Yes, the variance in the EVA foam color is visible. I also learned that from buying roll no. 2. Again using separated areas will help make this issue less visible. I'm looking forward to the learn the long term cost/benefits of this material. It is possible to wash and clean with soap and a hard brush. At least that's better than a permanently glued carpet. I have another boat, were the deck carpet is fastened with Velcro. It works, but I don't use that boat so often for other reasons.
What are the deck drop ins made of? Depending on clearances, you can try mounting/hinging them to aluminum angle making it all 1 piece to drop in. So it doesn't wear on the glass I would also attach some sort of material between the mounting surfaces. You could then use those straps and a quick disconnect, like those found on back packs, and screw/bolt one side into drivers side console which would allow then to still be removed. This was just a quick thought. It took few different design ideas/sketches before I found what worked best on my skeeter!
This stuff can really dress up a boat, but on our sailboat I've noticed a few things after 1 year. First, it oxidizes like crazy in the sun, and if you use it for seats etc (which we did to replace the original teak), it will leave large dusty patches on clothes and bags. We have one of the wood colors, so it releases a brownish/ashy dust when you touch it. The adhesive it comes with is terrible (lifts easily, even after full cure). We got fed up using different adhesives, and finally used a Corning poly to adhere it (which I'm sure we'll regret later). It's soft and comfortable underfoot, but easily tears. Overall, a great option to quickly improve an area, and best suited for boats stored indoors
Best thing about your videos is they’re REAL life and not some video that’s mostly fake. We started watching this journey and you’ve had to relocate to another state. We’ve watched as you’ve plugged along with life and then working on the videos on the boat build at the same time. Just keeping us up to date on the progress of the boat build and your trials and errors is what makes these videos great. You’re passion and sincerity for what you’re doing with the build is infectious so keep up the good work. Think when I have to replace the carpet in my boat I’ll look into that foam. Keep up the good work brother and can’t wait until the next video is uploaded. No way that I could talk my wife into doing some work like that to my boat., especially by herself, “and film it too”....😂
Awsome job looks great when I redid my carpet on my triton I just used acetone seemed to do the trick only suggestion I have would be to run a string line down the center of the boat and lay your flooring from the center out that way all the lines line up but I dig the color looks awesome love the vids
it is a great video, thank you so much for taking your time to help everyone out. Great content. I have a bowrider and im about to do it myself to save some money. Cheers.
I have used this for several builds. There are pros and cons to it. Soft on the feet. Looks great, washes easy. Cons; seams separate, if left in sun too long it will lift, sometimes lines don't match up. I'd consider using a full piece instead of sections. Will eliminate all the issues I mentioned.
My P2 had snaps that those straps snapped onto to help hold it in place. When the decks had full carpet the pieces fit just fine. Keep up the great work 👍
Bass Cat made an extension for the Pantera II model which they called a "flippin' deck". It consisted of 3 panels that were all attached to each other so they wouldn't move and would be stable to stand on. There was a vertical panel to support the rear edge of the center panel (glassed together), then there was the center and starboard flat panels that looked similar to what you have but they were permanently connected to each other with a piano hinge. Each flippin'deck was designed specifically to fit a particular model and when they were in place they were snug, stable, and secure. What you have there wasn't from Bass Cat or may have been something the owner bought that was designed for a different model. Obviously even the correct flippin' deck was designed to be snug with carpeting so I imagine it would rattle a bit without carpet. I'm curious if you're going to experience a lot of rattling with no carpet along the lip of the lids where they sit on the deck. Here you can see how the flippin' deck extension is supposed to look on your model: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BOmc_XmleEw.html
Another fine episode. Nice work. I looked at the same material, but chose to go carpet due to that cost. But that is a great tutorial on how that stuff really is. It is lookin great. Maybe in the next episode you can show how you wrapped it around the edges we would love to see that. That was one of the main reasons I didn't go with it. and the space between hatches and deck would have made it too tight to open the hatches
I had a '93 Basscat Pantera II and the deck extensions were a custom order from Basscat. My boat had them. Basscat advertised that as "extended casting deck". Awesome build man!
I’m in the process of design and building of a mini cat boat similar to a mystic c5000. I went and had a length of Astro turf donated to me by a local company who has tons of scraps constantly because it is really tough to pull up from the floors . I’ll use the cups that the seats will sit in to practice putting , lol. Girlfriend is a trooper. Stick a ring on that 👌 FYI. Heat is your friend, a hairdryer would help release that glue . It’s nothing more than landau top adhesive. Releases with heat too .
Great video. I'm considering doing a rebuild. Since you have had the floor for a while, how do you like it? And most importantly how is it holding up. Thx good job!
For a deck extension hold down solution. How about a u shaped wall/ceiling fastener with two screw eyelets attached to the deck and the deck extension- 8 total. Then a self adjusting bungee or a bungee with eye snaps attachment? The hardware can be found in stainless and plastic - PERKO - probably has what you need. This is the system currently in place on my Parker with a bow filler and it handles rough water flawlessly. When the bungee gets a little weak I just cinch it down a bit.
Thanks for sharing! Sorry for all the pain you had to go through reinstalling it, do you think it would stick on plywood? I want to apply it on the engine cover for my boat, it has a piece of plywood with upholstery but I want to try this EVA foam. Thanks in advance! you guys dis great job!
Where the front deck plates covered in carpet? The carpet added width to the panel and helped hold them in place. You can add the Eva foam around the edges to tighten the gaps and have them be more secure
I used to have a '95 Pantera Classic with the Bass Cat flipping deck installed. It fit snug in the openings. You definately need to secure those with something so nobody gets hurt.
Yeah I’m still working on my ‘93 Pantera 2 and I was going to build deck extensions to cover the area that your deck extension cover. I know bass cat sold a extension kits but not sure if that what you got. Either way those extensions need supports added (screwed in).
Fellow Omahan here, I run the Anglers of the Corn RU-vid. I have an 88 Ranger I redid the carpet on. Deck layouts on old boats were not intuitive. Everything beyond those 2 small compartments on the front deck (minus the rod locker) is after market put in by a previous owner.
Good stuff, I liked that you are so exact. I liked that I seen you try to pull up the new stuff to see how adhesive it is and kudos to your GF, she is the best for doing all that glue removal.
If you make a straight line down the center of the boat and work off of that, you’ll get more of a cut from a single sheet effect like you would get from seadek.
Once you removed the carpet it changed how the compartment layout because lack of the space from the missing carpet. Also there are hinges that go on that one in front of the console if I remember right.
Best paint to use on gelcoated/fiberglass- Ace Hardware porch and concrete floor paint. It's a polyethelene alchiad. Which are the ingredients for anti-fouling paint. I once did an entire 16' Quachita in grey using a roller and sponge brushes. It is self leveling and cost about 10 bucks/quart and when you are done, it looks just like gelcoat . I recently tried the Amazon style EVA to do the floor in my 21' Ranger. Don't ever use light grey. It's almost white and if you get in the boat it will suck the floor dirt and dust off your shoes and turn everything brown. It is hell to clean. I use straight 409 spray and wipe out a 12" section at a time. I'd stay with the color you have. Also, don't be surprised if it shrinks a little allowing your cut seams to later show out a little. I had perfect seams on the floor walkway when I laid the stuff. A few months later and now there's an ugly seam.
Maybe some automotive rubber seal material for around those deck extension lids. They sell rolls of it that are inch or so wide, inch or so thick. The type around the inside of trunk lids. That would help keep them centered, stop some water from passing down, but wouldn't keep them on the deck in rough water at speed. You certainly don't want them flying past your head running 50+ on rough water.
Doing my Ranger right now I was going to just put carpet on compartments bc of the unfinished fiberglass, thanks to the painting idea going to foam it all now.
Your deck lids and openings were cut for carpet to roll over the edges and fill in the gaps. I think what you have completed looks good. You will need to come up with a way to pad out the lids for them to fit better. Nice job.
Hey man love the serious!!! Are you gonna put a graph on it and trolling motor? I suggest Lowrance for graphs but just putting it out there dawg have a great day
I am using this inside of a cuddy cabin. I've got the pieces cut but I have not put them down yet. It's just been too hot to work in the boat. This may help me because I have to cut a bunch of irregular pieces. I actually cut the first ones very straight and then when I got them in I realized the boat is not straight lol. All that molded fiberglass is very irregular. That was another wrench I had to deal with. I assume this stuff all comes from China doesn't it? I wonder if an Alibaba inquiry could get foam that is much wider. I think most people would rather have it wider than longer. As long as the lines are even then they could just match them up. I'm not done with the video but just an FYI, the phone I got had something buried inside the instruction manual. It said that if the color is incorrect from piece to piece, to turn One of them around the other way. I think it's kind of like carpet where when you rub it in one direction it will look different from when you rub it in a different direction.
I ordered some that stuff too off. Amazon. I got the Gray with the black lines for the flooring and I got a dark brown for the upper deck and the back deck in brown with black lines. Thanks for the tip. With the measurements? Good luck buddy
When that bost was new front decks were very limited and there was a lot of wasted space in the cockpit floor. Deck extensions solved this. Having ones that mostly fit wins most of the battle brace them if needed, bolt or screw them down snd enjoy the room
The deck insert on that boat had snaps screwed into the cap that those straps snapped to, as for the side part it was hinged to the center part. And the gap’s are there to allow for them to be carpeted. Bass cat uses high quality thick carpet so that should answer your deck extension questions.
Exactly right. I have a '94 PII and this factory deck extension. It snaps in near the floor to hold it in place and make it easily removable. The side section hinges to it. Works great. Mine also has a section that is vertical to close off that section next to the console that adds to the rigidity and keeps everything inside that you put in it.
@@RussellSorrow my old P3 had it also and worked great. Basscat calls it the flipping deck insert. Made the front deck so much bigger. It also had a piece going down into the cock pit. Didn't see that in the video so he is probably missing it. Wish i had photos of my old boat but im sure if he Google's pictures of basscat flipping deck insert he will see it
I’m not sure if anyone else asked but I didn’t see it, what is the rust oleum color/model and process? It looks great and I have areas that the past owner dripped carpet glue into the hatch gunnels and it drives my crazy to see this yellow glue (sanded it to death) every time I open my hatches
If you missing 1/2” dont forget when you wrap the carpet around it would be tighter for form a fitted look 1/4” on all sides will make up for the loss! What If you try wrapping the edges with the flooring? but all in all you got a 1500.00 boat to look like a 5000.00 boat for less then 200.00 good work im going to buy the camo version and do my kayak deck. But Im curious and wonder if it would stick to wood as well?
Another thing with amazon is a bog company such as seadeck will sell left over or old stock to other amazon companies who will then rebrand it has theirs. I have bought multiple products on amazon were the stickers come off and have another companies brand under it
Those are factory deck extensions. When they were wrapped in carpet, the carpet filled up the gaps and they fit together snugly. You might consider just remaking something to fit out of wood and fiberglass, then sell those off. I see people looking for them in the basscat forums all the time since they are no longer made.
It’s because they have room for carpet since you removed the carpet you’d probably want to add some kind of weather stripping or something like that tho fill the gaps and keep water out
I'm not a boat owner nor remodeler, but for the exposed " ugly" areas that you want to paint, how about something like truck bed liner paint, it's come a long way even colors? Would like to hear your thoughts. Good luck, and you have an awesome partner
E v a foam is almost like sea deck They have the same machine that scans your boat for sizes. But is more expensive than Eva? And thanks for the tip about the measurements. That's why should I always measure twice cut once? It's just like doing tiles. They're not 12 by 12 all the time. I bought the same stuff from my boat I got The gray with black lines for the floor and then I got brown with black lines For the upper deck and the back deck. Good video anyways There's a company on RU-vid that talks about Eva. That uses that stuff
I have a 93 basscat pantera 2 with the deck extension. Mine doesn't look like that and it has an additional piece from the center hatch to the ground. The hinges are riveted or you can use rivnuts. I can send some pics if you have an e-mail or something.
I used the exact same foam and as long as you prep is right and use adhesive promoter it works perfectly. I did have to measure, straight edge it and meet two pieces together on the white edges. Boats coming out great man
Used EVA from Amazon. Looked great when I finished. Yes later in Texas sun it is horrible. $600 learning experience. Im not sure the expensive stuff is any better in the sun.
Should have bought sea deck. That stuff won’t last more than 2 years, just being honest. I have that exact one in my boat and it’s starting to deteriorate
Scraping off the glue gave me flashbacks to when we had to remove the carpet glue off our 1997 Sun tracker. After 10 gallons of acetone and seven grinder pads it came off 😂
Idea: Take a picture from above…save as pdf… print..can chose to be on many pages of poster.. when first page has right size item in it print them sll to make your template
so one thing I picked up when looking on Amazon i would go with the " camo " style decking to avoid some of his problems with the lines not being even he's not the first video I've run across that mentions the lines are not union from roll to roll. Second, though it's 1600 bucks for a mat kit for my boat the method he's doing is a few hundred bucks and just a lot of time. That's a personal choice I have a budget minded key west 1720 I can't do the math in my head of dumping thousands for a power pole trolling motor, sea deck. it's not going to take long before my addons equal the price of the boat . Over all I think he did a really good job
Those deck extensions have that gap because the boat was carpeted. With carpet wrapped around those lids there would not be much if any gap. If they cut them closer then you wouldn’t be able to open and close then with carpet. That’s why intercostal bass boats have different lids than traditional bass boats because seadeck does not fill in those gaps.
