exactly. imo _industrial_ looks like an absence of unnecessary design cues by the intern fresh out of design school. professional electrical tools tend to look uncluttered and no-nonsense
For filter coffee I bought a Fellow Ode Gen 2 at the beginning of this year to replace my 10 year old Baratza Encore and I’ve been very pleased with it. Until a couple of months ago I had been looking for nearly two years for a single-dosing candidate to replace my now 11 year old Baratza Vario+ that I’ve mostly used for espresso and just felt I could never find quite the right replacement with the appropriate tradeoffs. I was drawn to the Niche but being in Canada results in the final price after shipping, tax and duty being uncomfortably expensive. I largely agree with your observations about the original DF64 and had long ago ruled it out; even the DF83 too. However, the preliminary reviews of the DF64 Gen 2 had me doing enough head-scratching to think that I might’ve found my solution. Accordingly, I’ve had it for about three weeks now and gotta say, I’m very pleased so far. Like you, it made a decent shot of espresso from its first grind and it is just getting better as I get familiar with it. My only gripe is its sound (well louder than the old Vario+). Nice review and well done. Thanks.
3:35 I think the exposed set screw is actually a useful feature because (and I dont mean to nitpick but I saw it in this video too) its used to set your true zero on the grinder. for me, positioning the arrow over the spout gives me an inaccurate reading for where the true zero actually is. I can find the point just before the before the burrs chirp and then move the arrow to where the zero on the dial currently is. the exposed setscrew makes it easy to clean the grinder and reset that true zero, and is useful for the different tolerances in manufacturing that may cause different people to have different true zeros. I will say that my burrs were pretty misaligned from the factory but some aluminum foil shims fixed it nicely. I agree that bellows can be unsightly sometimes but I think someone should make a 3D printed lid of some kind, the anti-popcorn feature works really well anyways. personally i use the bellows but frankly its just for fun, it makes like a 0.05g difference since retention is so little aside from the noise IMO its hard to recommend a 64mm single dose grinder that's not the Gen 2. a consumer will end up paying SO much more money for the same exact performance from another grinder aside from the quieter function. Like the Lagom p64 for example, you can buy the Gen 2 + the Option O mizen burrs for less than or close to half of what the lagom costs for exactly the same thing - a single dose 64mm grinder that has an all-metal construction (minus the RPM control, noise, and tiny bit of plastic on the df64 but frankly rpm control isn't worth the extra $1000+ I can just use an inline AC dimmer if I really wanted it lol). For $400 you really cannot beat the value here and I think the df64 gen 2 should be the automatic recommendation for people looking to get a near-endgame grinder or a 64mm single dose grinder especially since a good flat burr grinder usually starts at like $650 and can easy clear $1000. This is people's hard earned money we're talking about and I think its very unfair for people to be suggested very expensive grinders when theres a new cheap grinder (the cheapest 64mm espresso grinder I've found too aside from modded ode 2) that gives endgame performance with all the necessary features for most home enthusiasts. I hope a gen 3 solves the noise issue but other than that I'm not sure what else they can add here, its really unbeatable for the price, build quality, and performance in the current market. AND the supply of them is rather high right now, unlike literally every other 64mm flat burr grinder thats either completely sold out for months, still in preorder, etc etc. espresso outlet is waiting for a restock but I know miicoffee has them right now and they will keep pumping them out without issue. If the noise is a dealbreaker for someone then sure they should buy another grinder but this grinder is the next niche in terms of the value and how it lowers the barrier to entry for an already expensive hobby. I upgraded from an fellow opus and that felt like it was worth $20, the df64 feels like I truly maximized my dollar
Chose this over the Niche Zero because I live in Canada and couldn't stomach the duty fees. I've had this grinder for about a month now, mine came with the DLC burrs installed from Coffee Addicts. Overall it's really nice, like you said it makes great coffee. You are correct that it is loud. The one area where my experience differs from the RU-vid reviews I've seen is the effectiveness of the 'plasma generator', no issue for espresso, but when we grind for filter we are still getting quite a bit of chaf. I can't compare it to the gen1 but I honestly expected it to be a little cleaner than it is. BUT considering the pricepoint I still think the Gen2 is hard to beat and we are very happy with it.
Chaff is really tricky because it comes down to so many factors. Roast level, burrs, relative humidity - this is going to differ slightly for everyone - on the whole though it’s a huge improvement over gen 1 no matter how you slice it. Agreed - hard to beat at this price
I think in 5-10 years time, when all the dust and trauma of people being locked down during the pandemic and spending WAY too much time at home/ online/ on coffee message boards, we are going to look back on the idea of "seasoning burrs" as one of the stupidest concepts to ever take hold of the coffee world. I, frankly, cannot wait.
Oh the loudness of the motor is a deal breaker for me, with kids sleeping every morning. The df64v seems a better option, quiet, small footprint and variable rpm but considerable more expensive. Thank you for the honest review!
@@HengOngHuatAh the motors are very different (dc vs ac, 250w vs 300w etc) but after some research i found out that the df64v is pretty loud also when grinding beans. Even though is extremely quiet without beans
I have this grinder on order with SSP espresso burrs, since I'm not interested in filter. Is there a grinder you'd recommend over the DF64 Gen 2 for pure espresso?
I’d appreciate a grinder suggestion! Interested in both the df64 G2, df64V, and eureka libra for mainly espresso. Love the footprint of the df64V but no ionizer and don’t really love the look of the df64 G2. Any suggestions for me? Thank you and excellent video
right now, i'm really at a tough spot deciding between the Varia VS3 Gen2 vs DF64 Gen 2. Do you have a recommendation, or a secret third option? Semms both are great for single dosing, and (afaik) offer a wide range from espresso to coarse?
Also curious about the Varia VS3 gen 2 with Hypernova & Ultra Hypernova vs DF64 gen 2. Not a lot of info. regarding the newer burrs or model Varia VS3 but might be conical that provides good clarity but also with great balance and body like a great all-rounder for medium roast.
hope this is not too much to ask but just purely in terms of taste profile, do you prefer this to the Timemore 078s? (post seasoning with a bunch of beans..lol)
yes exactly my thoughts! that stupid thing takes forever to ship to my country. late Q1 '24 would be my best guess as they didn't reply to my query@@Foolsauce
I'm a moderate coffee user, normally I use moka pot, would like to have an good(ish) espresso machine in the future but from time to time I use French press. Currently I own a Timemore C3 Pro Max that does the work for me but takes too long and effort is high so I tend to use Nesspreso more often just to not grind it manually. I'm Trying to buy a good(ish) coffee grinder, something in the 400/600 usd budget (I'm from Argentina) I'm between the Timemore 064s and this DF64 Gen2 I'm not looking to buy a grinder to change it in 1 or 2 years, I would like this to serve me for a long time and be useful, mostly for espresso/moka but from time to time for French press.
Well, it's 400 USD in the USA, but in Europe, it's 500 EUR, which is not as tempting anymore, especially considering the warranty from another country (Belgium).
I'm staring at my gorgeous, black Ascaso Steel Duo and I don't even have a grinder yet. You know what grinds my beans? Trying to make a decision on a grinder, that's what. Those decibel levels when my day started with a caffeine withdrawal headache - hard pass. Bellows that look like the black-water drain hose on a RV... for the love of all that's good and holy - WHY? (Talk about signaling retention issues.) And, I cant remember if I'm supposed to spend 3x my monthly salary on a setup or if that's for engagement rings - feels like a huge commitment regardless. What does an espresso and latte-loving person in the PNW do? What grinder is under a grand, under 85 decibels, not underwhelming in form and function, and doesn't put me at the mercy of waitlists, limited edition ferver, and hype-beast drop dates? Am I hunting for a Sasquatch out here? #CryForHelp Can I just jam pods in my portafilter? smh
I just ordered an Ascasco Duo because of your videos, we are coming from a BBE, and didn't know how big grinders would effect the taste. I'm so lost, and I think I'll be getting the DF64V Gen 2, with the SSP HU burr upgrade.... Do you recommend that over the timecore, we will do espresso and occasional pour overs.... Help!
Any flat burr grinders you would recommend at this price point if I’m just concerned with espresso and not filter coffee? The priority for me is grind quality, don’t care as much the workflow /appearance
I bought a DF64 Gen 2 because I had SSP MP burrs in my Ode Gen 1 but wanted to be able to more comfortably grind for espresso (plus I missed having the Ode Gen 2 brew burrs on occasion). So I swapped the SSP burrs into the DF64 and put the Gen 2 brew burrs back into the Ode. It's good to see that Turin upgraded the red power button to something less ugly
I thought about getting this but opted for the DF64V with the stock DLC burrs simply due to aesthetic and motor difference. Been v impressed so far. But the quality on this for the price is crazy.
So first off let me say, what an incredibly professional review! I absolutely LOVE your video work. Great pace and shot clarity. Oh, and of course I love the way you presented the grinder. I've had the SD40 for a couple weeks and thinking about sending it back and getting this one instead. This video provides exactly the kind of detail and clarity I needed. I'm Ok with the industrial look and the noise level, but I can't get passed the poorly executed cup / holding situation. I feel like that's gonna bug me to no end.
Hi, great video again. Seen in the background that you’re lucky enough to own a zerno. Are you overall happh with it and are you planning to review it soon?
Hi there! I’m just borrowing this one, it’s a launch edition and I have a loaner current version on the way as well and.. yes of course I will be reviewing them! 🤩
Have you used a p64? If so, do you think it's worth the large price jump from this grinder? I'm considering getting one with either the omni burrs or the upcoming espresso Mizen set.
I've wondered about this as well and received some feedback over the months. P64 great build quality, low retention etc.. but expensive. Yet one tester noted how consistent it was to get same results across different beans/roasts. They also noted that a grinder like DF64 with same burrs aligned and dialed in would probably give similar if not almost exact taste in cup. Can say the tolerances in P64 allows one to 'eke' out a little more consistent results in the cup (seemingly) as well as better user experience-less hassle with retention etc.. Also from everything I've found out from user reviews is burr geometry matters the most. For instance smaller burrs with 'interesting'-good geometry can practically match larger burrs in more expensive grinders, especially with certain types of beans/roasts. The other key thing I come across often is one grinder/burr tastes great w/ a select type of bean/roast but another grinder/burr tastes better w/a different bean/roast so it's all a trade-off unless have 2+ grinders. Example a med. roast leaning toward dark cherry and semi-sweet chocolate tastes better on stock burr or a 'trad.' Italian grinder-burr vs. a more unimodal burr but then performs-tastes "worse" on a lighter roast w/ leans more toward 'fruit' want balanced acidity.
I need help! I’m a new espresso enthusiast. Have a DeLonghi La Specialista Prestigio with built in grinder. I’m now looking to up my game and spend €600-700 for a good espresso grinder. Look and workflow are important to me. I was was deciding between the Niche Zero and the DF64 gen 2. But the sound level of the DF concerns me. Should I be? What other options should I consider? I have no idea if I prefer more body or clarity or the difference between conical vs flat. HELP please.
I'm going to get a Linea Micra and will only be doing espresso. I'm upgrading from my current Breville Barista Express. Would you recommend this one or the Timemore 064s? Or something else? Budget wise I'd like to stick under 1000
Just curious, you said this grinder is louder than the other examples you gave but what about a typical blade grinder from a department store? Is the df64 Gen 2 louder than that?
Please Help me Decide between this and Eureka Mignon Specialita. If they are roughly the same price which one should I choose? I don't mind single dosing but generally go through a bag a time and mainly espresso occasionally do pour over. I can't make up my mind it is my first standalone grinder to choose with my BBE sigh...
I’m in the same camp as you and can’t decide! I think the build quality of the specialita appeals to me. The option to also switch to single dose with some mods looks like a good option if you change your mind. Some people online have said that the adjustment dial is really precise and can be hard to use for two styles of coffee
I just bought this the other day and I can't afford the upgraded burrs so it's just the standard for me. I am brand new to the hobby and I figured it was already well outside my budget because 400 bucks is a ton of money but my mom and I drink coffee and she used to have fresh grounded coffee all the time that I figured this is gonna serve all my coffee needs. Hopefully it ends up being a good purchase :)
Great video! Im looking for my first grinder, mainly to brew espresso. Some options i have in mind now are this DF64 v2, Eureka Mignon Zero, or Eureka Mignon Specialita? Any recommendations? Prices are quite similar in my country. Or do you think there is a cheaper option i should consider also to start with?
I think this one comes down to if you are looking for a hopper style or single dosing. If you want to change coffees more often than once every bag, I would go with the df64. The eureka has some mods for single dosing but it isn't really built for it.
I really like the look of them. If money wasn’t an object then I would he the DF83 but space is also a consideration so either the DF64 or DF54 will be the ones. Down the track in like to pay with a different set of burrs so the DF64 will be the one I think.
Hi another great video! You have a good voice! yes i will give preference on price over aesthetic... actually i like E61 groupset alot , but now i have it over a year, i seldom look at it.. haha... it is the same with those beautiful film cameras i used to own... in the end i sell them away... haha... the coffee is the most important thing haha... i do both espresso and pour over, now i am using 1zpresso J-Max... no complains... i don't mind the hard work ... i just wonder how much of an upgrade in taste i can get if i go for a eletric grinder like Duo, DF 83, DF 64? pls kindy advise me
The Jmax grinder is a great grinder. The DF64 will give you a slightly different profile with the flat burrs and open up the door to using any 64mm burr. IMO if the looks aren’t a dealbreaker then it’s a good move. I was very impressed with the Gen 2
I just bought one and it’s been really good. However the dosing shoot catch a lot of bean scraps and they stick to the side wall. That’s what I find strange. Also do you clean with water or just brush off?
Would love your assistance picking between Niche Zero and DF64v2. Currently running a sette 270 so I'm used to the noise but it is a bit annoying. I do agree and also don't like bellows or doing RDT (the laziness comment really hit lol) Always single dosing, mostly running milk drinks but would like to do more straight espresso. I plan on doing filter/pour overs eventually but figure I could just get a hand grinder specific for that. NZ aesthetics are def better but not sure it's worth the extra ~$100. Is there much difference between the flat burr vs conical in this case? I am also intrigued by the idea of 64mm platform and upgrading with SSP eventually.
This is where my head is at. I'm torn, trying to buy something that will last me a long time - have a Gaggia Pro for espresso's and only had a hand grinder so far. NEED a powered solution! I think I may plummet for the Niche Zero, being based in the UK.I know its been around a while, and isnt super rated for Filter/Pour Overs, however.... NZ Pro's for me are Quietness, Style, Espresso shots review well - Cons: Burrs not upgradable, filter/pour over capability considered "Good", price. There is a limit to how good my coffee is going to taste at home, and I appreciate good cafe's with better rigs... so why am I still typing? Because... this Gen 2 DF64 provides a cheaper price point, Burr upgrade potential and could prob grind more than a single dose if i'm doing a larger Pour Over one day... it's just the sound. As a musician and producer my ears are rather sensitive to whining and irregular lurching motors... and at the end of the day, using it every day I think the smile of a calmer grind might just be worth it. #rambleover What did you buy?
@@neilsmith5464frozen with indecision but probably going NZ. I decided I don’t do pour overs enough to care and will just hand grind for those rare times
Hey Daddy! (I never realized saying hi to you would feel like this haha) What do you think of the DF64 gen 2 today? Have any opinions changed? I use my grinder for espresso 99% of the time, but would enjoy the option of making a pourover or press once in a while.... Thanks!
Soooo. I too have a Niche Zero and an Ascaso -- so pretty much an identical setup to yours (and heavily influenced by your great videos). And... I also like the Chesed. Thinking of adding a second grinder so my wife can have her decaf without messing up my setup/workflow. Would be used for milk based espresso drinks only. Thinking of DF64 Gen 2 but intrigued by your comment about "if you're only using it for espresso drinks..." there might be other options. Would love your thinking on this!
I'm looking for a replacement for my 3 yr old Specialita, as the other day it jammed. In fairness I have never, ever, cleaned the thing, just used printed bellows to clear after each grind. Worked fine for 3 years, then...suddenly jammed. I pulled it all apart, thinking grinds were jammed, but nope, it seems it's the motor. Getting very hot and overheating. Let it cool down it works again. Not sure I trust it now, so looking for other options, as it's pricy to replace and I'm not keen on spending so much to replace with the same thing that broke before. In fairness the Mignon IS pretty quiet, so the opposite of this thing. If the Mignon does seize up again then I'll get one of these.
I have a Comandante for filter, but it takes too long for espresso, I'm looking for something budget friendly for espresso, with the smallest footprint on the counter and available in white. White DF46 gen 2 has cought my eye, but if there's something cheaper I'm all ears. Im fine with manually grinding for filter, so it's ok if the grinder is just for espresso. Thanks!
Hello..in the same range of price, to make ONLY espersso and similar pros like low retantion and conpact size what would you recommand as alternative? Regards
Hello I am desperate how to choose my next grinder. First of all I love the things that I own and don't like to change them. Espresso machine Silvia V6 Grinder Eureka Silenzio 1 year old Both 1 year old Silenzio is unusable right now thats why I am going to get something else. I drink 90% espresso and 10% Turkish. My Silnenzio probably had some very bad quality check because since the first day it produced many fines, tried to shim him but nothing got fixed. Overmore the 3rd time I removed the bottom burr 1 of the 3 holes of the carrier got damaged. While getting it out 1 screw ruined the threads and now I will have to somehow fix it with a helicoil. I am in Europe How is the build quality on these things? Should I get 750E the DF83 v2 for 750E? In my mind I believe that getting a commercial grinder would be the best but I think they have high retention. (Fiorenzato F64E) Do you have any suggestions?
Definitely on the top list grinder for the price range. Yeah its not a beauty but it ticks all the boxes needed for a decent grinder. Plus that plasma generator is a hugeeeeeee difference with other grinders. Cheap but quality
What do you recommend as a single dose grinder if I am using a semi automatic machine(Breville touch screen impress)? Do you recommend using a separate grinder vs the built in grinder? Thanks
I’m doing my first setup with a Bambino and either this or the Timemore 064s - any thoughts? Obviously now this guy has the price advantage, but the noise difference isn’t something I can gauge before trying it out. Espresso only!
The “ugly part” that you dont want its not only for getting the left over coffee out, its also mean to help cleaning the grinder and covering it from little insects like cockroaches oa any little things can accidentally drop in there, not sure if he puts it back to cover when hes done grinding and take it off when needed i dont think so seen hes like short cut, if so, why cant just leave it in there, for the look???? 😂
We were just interacting on another video, but I’ll ask a more general question here. 😊 I drink milk drinks and can’t pick out tasting notes. I do like it savory, sweet, and roasty. When I say savory, what I mean is that what I taste in my favorite espresso blend usually seems more nutty to me than what I would call chocolate. I’d also really appreciate a forgiving dial-in that won’t require too many test shots in the morning (I love my morning routine, but I’m also helping our two little girls get ready). Everything about that says Niche Zero to me. Do you think this DF64 v2 is something I should explore? Or the Niche Duo? Right now I have the Mignon Specialita, but I’ve been struggling a bit with it and want to try something new.
Happy to jump around on different vids! 😂☕️ The df64 g2 is solid at the price, with the zero you are getting an easier dial in, cleaner counter appeal, much quieter operation (seriously, I have a video of my wife using the zero while wearing a sleeping baby!) better workflow and taste profile more suited to your preferences. The df64 will give you clearer flavor separation but at the sacrifice of sweet syrupy body. For you, I’d say the only reason to take this over the zero would be price. If you can come up to the zeros price, you will be happier with it.
Nice video, I am looking for a new grinder. Performance and workflow are priorities which this grinder seems to do well with. However I almost exclusively do drip coffee with the hope to add more methods in the future. For the 200-300 price point what would you recommend for drip coffee mainly with some versatility as well?
I really like the look actually. I got one in white, which I would now consider to have been a mistake. But The only real complaint I share with you is the noise, its pretty loud. Right now I am pretty happy with the burr set, I might consider upgrading down the road, but SSP Burs are like 240€ in Germany, which is more than half what I paid for the entire grinder ,so this is definitely something I wont consider short term. Overall, really happy with my purchase. PS: I dont mind the bellows, and I like the wooden cap fot them.
Interesting you are criticizing the “industrial vibe” - I would say 8 out of 10 manual portafilter espresso machines have that vibe and it seems to be very popular in the community. I certainly love it. The DF64 Gen2 will go well with my black Gaccia Classic Pro Evo and my black normcore accessories…
Not really a critique, more an acknowledgment it’s not gonna be for everyone. It’s a very affordable grinder, but it’s not cheap. At this price point aesthetics and… ahem… spousal conversation… come into play.
really nice to see someone speaking to how a grinder works if you don't do all the 3rd wave ritual :) regarding the noise, i wonder by how much it'd lower if you had the lid on
I always over-research when I spend a lot of money on something. My wife says I enjoy the chase as much as the catch, but I want to make sure I put my money in the right place. So I am expecting my DF64 Gen2 in the next 4-5 days from Singapore. Really looking forward to it. We do a Moka first thing in in the morning (bought it 20 years ago - used it almost every day since), Aeropress during the day, and maybe the odd V60 so something versatile was called for. Don't have an espresso maker. Yet. The Industrial look is good for me - I'm an engineer so works well. This is my first 'proper' grinder so looking forward to the next set of rabbit holes to head down! Kids won't be put off the noise cos they've all left home now. :)
@@DaddyGotCoffee That's true and why I kind of lean towards the DF64 Gen 2... I 90% do Filter with the occasional Flair Espresso and have a Comandante C40 atm... So I would get either of them with SSP Multipurpose burrs. The Zerno is way quieter and the prebreaker as well as the low retention and easy cleaning really tempt me but the price is so high 😮💨 I can't decide hahah
I do most espresso, around 90%. I'am absolutly not sure wich grinder I should get. The Price Range is up to 500 approx. I think between the timemore 64s and the df64. Any thoughts about a grinder for my use?
If I'm going after an espresso-only grinder and don't mind if it is manual or powered, and only care about quality espresso flavor for the best value, would this be it still? I see some manual grinders like the Pietro costing as much as this one.
Very seriously considering this setup with a steel duo. For the last few years I've been using an aero press and Hario switch with an ode Gen 2. Do you think it's worth jumping straight to the steel duo and skipping the Bambino and gaggia phase? Totally understand the grinder is the most important thing.
I’m a big fan of the Ascaso line. If the price doesn’t scare you off IMO the Duo is one of the very best options at the price. If milk drinks aren’t a daily thing, you can get most of the advantages with the Uno.
@@DaddyGotCoffeeActually even for milk drinks I'd give the UNO a thought. The "problem" with the DUO is that the steam boiler is quite small compared to the single boiler of the UNO. My dealer said the power is much better on the UNO. But of course it's all a matter of preference. I was very happy with the UNO and I'm an idiot for selling it for no good reason really (tried to downgrade but now I'm back to upgrading again...).
I just got into espresso and I still have my OG Baratza Encore grinder and seriously needing a dedicated espresso grinder for consistency. I really like the DF64 for the price, I don't mind the looks, but my main hold-back is I'm trying to find something quieter than the Encore and this isn't in the right direction from what I'm seeing in videos. The Encore is loud but this seems to be just as loud but shorter grind times I would hope. :(
Very nice review, thank you. I'm an engineer so maybe I'm biased, but I like the look :) I like that the burr can be changed out, and I like the ability to choose a specific burr at time of purchase, but I don't foresee changing burrs just to change flavor profile. I just acknowledged what I've been trying to ignore for the past few years: most of us who grind at home are drinking reduced quality coffee, and/or are having to adjust our brews for the crappy grinders the market is flooded with. I have two nice hand grinders that supposedly produce the "cleanest cup" and "least fines" but they are nowhere near what comes in a bag of pre-ground coffee. I haven't loved coffee the same way ever since I started grinding my own. I've had to reduce extraction (lower water temp, reduced extraction time, and/or coarser grind) to overcome the ridiculous amount of fines or whatever. It's a damn shame there's so much skewed information online about these grinders.
I am on a quest to find a capable and quiet grinder for espresso. You compared this to the NZ. Thankyou for including the metered dbs for this grinder. Would a Niche-type [clear] cover knock down the dbs to an acceptable level...say 70 or so? I am leaning towards the 64V, but only if it is much much quieter. A P64 may be my only recourse. My current grinder (Eureka Mignon Classico) measures in the low 80s dbs.
Great video, ive just subscribed! Im so torn between the Gen2 and DF64V. Im 99% an espresso drinker. Have you ever used the DF64v and do you feel its more of an inprovement in the cup?
@@blinsmaslom3263The DF64V is smaller than the GEN 2, but not necessarily faster, since the GEN 2 is fast enough at 1400 RPM and the DF64V has just variable RPM (600 to 1800 RPM) which is a different thing.
Great review. Just wondering, did you find the grinder remained consistent from one shot to the next, and beyond? Shot times / flavour easily repeatable? Thanks
Bought this on backorder about a month ago w/SSP lab sweet burrs - thanks Alternative Brewing for helping me narrow down my choices. Should show up tomorrow (fingers crossed). This is my upgrade from the Encore ESP and the industrial vibe fits with my Profitec GO.
@@Barnycull I have. I get notice more clarity and consistency with the df64. The esp has more body, but finding the right timing and the sweet spot between sour and bitter was hard for me especially since I'd go between filter and espresso often. That said it could all be a skill issue on my part. All in all it really depends on what you are wanting in your cup and is the ESP working well for you now.
The price is good with the DF stuff but yeah, too loud for me. Going to wait for the new & improved Eureka Zero. I have a Specialita and love it but want a more single-dose specific grinder.
So I’m trying to figure out if this grinder is what I should go for. I have a fellow ode gen 1 for filter, so I’m mainly looking for an espresso grinder. Right now I have a breville barista express and have hated the grinder the whole time even switched to a cheap hand grinder and have gotten much better results , do you think the df64 v2 would be the best fit or should I keep looking? Eventually I will be upgrading my espresso machine to something that doesn’t have a built in grinder but is much better, but figured I should get a good electric grinder first
Coming from a basic KitchenAid grinder this should be a huge step up for me. The noise while not pleasant shouldn't be an issue. I don't mind the industrial look at all. Makes me feel professional l, like a cafe. I am interested in upgrading the burs later on but at this stage of my coffee path I have no idea what the benefit to that is or why I would want to. I just think I won't rule it out
Can someone please explain the different burrs that you are able to upgrade to when purchasing this unit? Definitely going to purchase just want to make sure I am setup how I am supposed to be. Just didn't want to miss anything. Thank you!
I own the eureka specialita and it also has zero retention without any mods. Great video. I’ve owned mine almost 3 years now and it’s time to clean in 🙈🤭
Hey, great review :) I have a Eureka specialita and do only Espresso with mostly light to medium roasts. Today it took me over 30s of grinding for 17g - that's kind a long, isn't it? What do you think? Is something else better suited - or do I need to clean it more often ? :)
I’ve been using one for a week and it’s my first “expensive” single dose grinder. Before this I had a regular conical burr OXO grinder for filter coffee only. I have enjoyed it so far. Noticed the rattling you mentioned of metal on metal when the dosing cup is not seated perfectly. I don’t think it’s too loud personally. I have noticed when grinding coarser for filter coffee that there is still quite a bit of static and chaff flying out and sticking to the outside of the chute and grinder body.
I agree with the comment about the bellows being ugly and as you demonstrated, not necessary. Does the lid fit on the top without the bellows, or is there an alternative? Leaving the top open doesn't seem like a good idea.
in the market for a new grinder. budget not an issue. the biggest consideration: it has to be good at both filter/pourover and espresso bean grinding + be easily switchable between those two functions. whats a top 3? what about a "best value option" too?
Thank you for your video! I hope this would be better than the eureka specialita. It has a lot of dead rooms and was not really quiet. Can i get a porterfilterholder for 51mm? or will it fit also for a smaller one?
Hey DGC man thanks for all your input. Ive purchased the Asacso steel duo base on your reciew and my own research. So now im trying to decide which grinder to get the mahlkonig x54 or DF64 Gen2. Ive watch your review for both but kinda unsure. Can you please help me to decide. The grinder i pick will be used for espresso and milk drinks. Also been eyeing the rancillio stile but not to much input on it. Thanks for all your input its been very influential to me.
Definitely do NOT mind the look - when it comes to appliances it's function over form all day. A lot of my kitchen is the "modern" black and stainless / black and aluminum look. If it holds up over time, definitely worth it. And, yes, I would always consider a burr upgrade - can make a big difference.
I found that not using the collar on the grind cup still has some grinds missing the cup and getting all over the machine and counter. I would definitely say you want to use the collar. I grind with the collar then remove the collar when I want to flip the grounds into my 58mm portafilter. If you are using a standard 58mm portafilter, e.g. E61 group head, then the cup is a perfect fit.
