The only reason I could come up with was that Quimir’s ship only had 2 seats, but that’s just dumb writing. I will say that previously Quimir was gonna kill her after she failed him and wanted to turn herself in. I guess it was clear he wouldn’t train her anymore.
doesn’t it help “close the loop” and throw the Jedi off their scent? if all 3 vanished together, the Jedi keep hunting for them; if Mae takes the fall to help her sister, the Jedi have their trophy killer, and the trail goes that much colder
This was a series with a strong potential and an intriguing hook- A High Republic era murder mystery with possible Sith involvement. But there’s been a lot of strange decisions made along the way. Character motivations, backstory, and logic all have had some fuzzy and strained moments, all in service of having to move the plot along as fast as possible because these episodes are too short and there aren’t enough of them. To me it comes off as a sign that this show simply wasn’t long enough to fit in everything it wanted to in a way that makes people actually care about the characters and their dynamics. Somehow this had a higher budget than Andor with less episodes, shorter run time, and at times lower production quality. If this had been a 10 or god forbid a 12 episode season, with episode runtimes averaging at 45-50 minutes, I think most of these plot holes and weird decisions could have been smoothed over. But I think we’ve been left with a lot of wasted potential and a sinking feeling that this only existed to set up a way more interesting season 2 that we very well may not get since I don’t think this show has gotten the reactions that they wanted.
@@lunarmodule6419 I think it’s partially the result of announcing this show too early and with too few details. It allowed people (myself included) to get too hyped up thinking we’d actually get a series from the perspective of a Bane-lineage Sith apprentice/acolyte. Honestly this might have even been given the wrong title. Maybe “Star Wars: Vergence” might have been more appropriate? Either way, I think if more people had been aware in the months leading up to this show that this was gonna be more of a story about two sisters, with the murder mystery element basically taking a backseat after the literal first episode of the show, I think some people would have approached it differently. I know I would have. But then, I was already going in with fairly low expectations once we got closer to the release.
@@lunarmodule6419 I don’t see how politics played a role at all, that’s mostly coming from people who automatically think that the mere existence of non-straight or non-white characters = political. And there’s definitely been some spots of bad writing, but on the whole I’d say it’s more that the writing was constrained, both by the length of episodes and by this weird need to try and keep the audience in the dark on whatever mysteries they’re wanting to prop up to keep watchers invested- such as the origin of the twins, or Qimir’s backstory, etc.- when I think the reality is that audiences would actually engage with the show more if it stopped trying to keep things vague and gave more direct answers. That was Andor’s approach. And its political messaging of being anti-fascist was a hell of a lot more overt than anything in Acolyte.
well leaving her behind is arguable, I believe qimir would have perhaps agreed to take her somewhere. But certainly working together isnt a plan and I believe the jedi would always been able to read her mind somehow or manipulate her in an interrogation scenario to unravel the truth and qimirs identity. So him wiping her memory is actually logical imo. And as to why there leaving her there : I guess it helps solidify the Alibi with Sol and helps to have an accusator towards him especially as he is already dead and cannot defend himself. The only person KNOWING qimir was involved is his former master and she has some explaining to do with that scar on his back so I believe she cannot simply leak that he is alive..
I mean, Mae don't want to go with Stranger, and with no ship she cant escape Jedi. She knows almost everything, so only way to hide it from Jedi was memory wipe. And if she would escape, then with no killer, Jedi would Look for Sister and Stranger becouse he dont want to lose His new apprentice Osha. But with Mae captured, whole murders could be finish and covered from Senate again. Finally Vernestra has again confort to do investigation on her own, with master Yoda, but with no senators looking.
IIRC mae had a deal with qmir and since she failed/betrayed him, he was supposed to kill her. Osha negotiated with qmir to let her live in exchange of being his acolyte. The Jedi would use mae to find osha and qmir so healthy erased her memories
You are okay with braindead consumers supporting a racist sexist company? The show runner and cast exposed themselves countless times but please, turn off your brain and enjoy because it looks like star wars.
Vernestra tells Yoda... something. Either she lies and he falls for it, not sensing the cover-up, which makes him a fool. Or Yoda is told the truth, insofar as Vernestra knows it, and Yoda goes along with it, making him complicit in the lie. Ok, show, which is it? These are adept Force users, and they're not hiding Iran/Contra, this is about effing Sith!
@@thribs she should infer it, however, as Quim is back, more powerful, and darkside, and hunting freaky vergence padawan, sooo... I dunno. I had though she was an avowed Sith, in hiding, but I suspect the better explanation is that Plagueis is merrily influencing dupes and idiots, including Vernestra.
They set up Plagueis and the Knights of Ren and failed to pay it off. I thought Headland said Kylo Ren's theme meant something. This show's highs were high (ep5), but its lows were lower.
She's got, from what I remember, up to 4 season total planned out as a story, so whatever we'll see about the Knights of Ren will be later on. It would be too much going on if it were done this season when things are just being set up.
@@ezrameraz-lerma6604 that would be a flimsy defense if it were true, but the truth is, the writing is sh•t and they've already cancelled future seasons and spinoffs because the show is garbage. Though, they blamed the lead actress for making that idiotic response video to people who disliked the show. The show was never destined to go anywhere, and now it is buried beneath the hubris of a showrunner who spent her career enabling a r•pist, writers and actors who knew nothing about Star Wars, and a plot that retconned major pieces of canon at every turn
@@itsbunch Yeah but he probably 1. Was way closer, Brendok is supposed to be out in nowhere. 2. Order 66 had so many jedis dying I'm pretty sure him sensing it is supposed to be a throwback to Obi sensing Alderaans destruction.
The fact that *this show* gave us the first live action depiction of Plagueis kills me inside (I'll give them credit tho, his design is amazingly creepy)
this is my biggest take away. bums me out that in an alternate universe some where both of them would get the roles and script they deserve for a star wars series, if not A MOVIE since at this point i'm convinced the lucas film story group simply cannot write good television.
I honestly think if they make a second season they need to get new writer that are on the same page. But yeah it’s nice to see Darth Plagueis on screen for the first time.
Agree I wanna see a second season cuz I think there’s a lot more to explore with the story and characters….but gotta get new writers and show runners…this show coulda been great
@@Bayard1503 it's legends material, there's no rewrite, they did the same thing with thrawn. Your emotions betray you thoughts, and give you lazy takes.
The writing was the biggest flaw in this show. Osha/Mae’s actress wasn’t the best but it really was the writing that screwed this show over the most which is a shame as the acting was mostly great and the choreography was great as well. I hope for a season 2 and I hope that the writing gets better for that season. With potentially Yoda and Plagueis in season 2, they better not have bad writing as those two characters are quite loved
I don't like that Sol died and how vernestra speaks of him. I know that she isn't totally wrong to me it was like she presented him as the enemy or bad guy even with mae. I really hoped to see more of him in the future.
@@kings5223 i mean he's speaking from bad faith but u also can't really blame him due to all of the meta knowledge of Disney's operations and response to fans. Its a sign of broken trust on Disney's part and frankly it's not exactly his fault for feeling that way
And I’m guessing that THAT is the reason Anakin is the valid Chosen One not the “failed twins”. Created by the Force as a natural response to counter the tipping scales forcefully made by Plagueis. Like a body producing white blood cells to counteract a disease.
I honestly thought much more was going to happen…why was that Kylo Ren theme playing throughout the entire show. Why leave Mae alive instead of fully completing Osha’s turn to the dark side by killing her, no Knights Of Ren, 2 seconds of Plagueis and that’s it…just overall disappointing, show ended with a wet fart.
Mae was left alive because Qimir promised to spare her, if he had killed her Ohsa would never have joined him, which was clearly his goal. Plagueis and the Knights of Ren are likely meant as hints to season two, that's why they where only hints.
The Kylo Ren theme is there because Osha and his relationship are similar, but in this case, he succeeds in turning her to the dark while Kylo ren fails. Obi-wan's theme from episode 4 was quickly expanded into being a more general force theme, so this isn't a new thing at all.
I really don't think they handled the jedi "not knowing" about the sith well. They objectively did know. They just covered it up from specifically the senate. The sith are the greatest threat to the jedi order. Even if they're keeping it from the senate, there's no reason they wouldn't be handling it internally, meaning phantom menace can't happen the way that it did. And considering headland said she didn't want to make the jedi in the prequels look bad, they sure managed to make them look bad through these cameos. Bare minimum both Yoda and ki adi mundi are part of the cover up, meaning they're both responsible for the events that led to qui gonn's death.
Vernestra knows about he fallen padawan, that's it. Fallen padawan's are typically just dark jedi, not Sith. Fallen Jedi have been a constant in Star Wars lore, and considering this is a period of time where Sith are believed to be extinct, it's normal that they just think its a fallen Jedi.
@lespaul5734 she knows a lot more than that. She knows about qimir training Mae, she knows qimir turned to the dark side, and that osha was also turned by him. That's enough to conclude bare minimum he's taking on sith teachings as hes actively finding an acolyte. But also she sensed his mind, which would indicate she becomes aware of his sith nature. But even if it were just that he's taking up the sith teachings and going against the jedi, that makes him basically a sith in terms of where it matters.
The episode was perhaps the most painful to watch, as you could see how the story could have been just as great as the fights, but then you get frequent whiplash from people yet again making nonsensical decisions out of the blue, particularly leaving Mae behind. Even after all the stupidity throughout the season, I was flabbergasted.
I want to know how many rewrites the script went through before we got this final version because it seems like it went through maybe just one. Or maybe two...but if it went through many....Jesus Christ...
@Deuteromis Yeah, it feels like they looked at the first draft and went "good enough", which is damning enough if true, but they may still become good writers if they learn their lesson of humility. However, if this is their "refined" version, they're too severely lacking in talent.
There’s literal witnesses and alibis to vindicate Sol of Indara and Torbin murders. Some of them being Ki Adi Mundi & those other Jedis in that chat room discussing Mae Christ how can that be overlooked and how does that make sense
What's sad is that the idea of a show about Plagueis moving in the shadows and doing experiments in the force in what ends up being the birth of Anakin would be AMAZING if done right
Tom Baker is the incarnation of the Doctor Who series. He portrayed the otherworldly character so well. So well that you believe he is an an alien from another planet. The new Doctor Who shows can't even touch the classics.
With the way they wrote it yeah. They definitely needed more episodes to explain everything but if they knew how to make a show they could’ve done it in around 6.
Having Master Sol die was a big mistake he was the only Jedi that had compassion and cared for others. Also he destroyed the stranger twice he wasn’t going to lose to Osha or Mae.
All in all i liked the finale and the show overall but whilst it had good ideas and action it really suffered from pacing problems. Felt like this could have been, and probably started in concept as, a movie rather than an 8 episode series and we'd have lost nothing over value.
The Mae/Osha/Witches stuff didn't work at all. Maybe it was the poor acting or the writing, but the show would have been much stronger focusing on literally everything else. Sol and Qimir were excellent. They could have focused on Sol and Indara and the band of Jedi and revolved everything around that to tell their story. There was some good potential but it needed better direction. Maybe it'll improve in season 2 - seems like they're setting up for more of the same though.
I mean, on the at all thing: I don't know, the opening scene of episode 8, where he's trying to get the mask off of her, and he freaks out, was pretty compelling to me. The idea of introducing Plagueis means that we could see some weird shit
Sol being framed makes 0 sense. There were literal witnesses in episode 1 to prove it was Mae wtf. He was also at the temple teaching during the murder😂
This was without a doubt, the WORST Star Wars project thus far. The writing was awful - Mae was never a real character and they character assassinated Sol so bad.
@@sirkingjames4656 this was a fanfic. boba fett was literally unwatchable even compared to this. I am proud to state that it was the first starwars show I just couldn't bring myself to continue watching after the train episode, and I'm so glad I made the right choice seeing how it ended. either way this show has done the same song and dance of pooping on what came before, just to areas that hit much more close to home for general starwars fans.
I feel like the show is trying to get you to root for Osha who just straight-up murdered an unarmed Jedi. I get that it was done out of revenge but why is the show trying to get us to be like "you go girl" for that? Osha just committed murder and it doesn't matter how bad you hate someone, you can't just kill an unarmed person. There's no character in this show that embraces virtue, every character either blindly follows their passion/feelings or is only looking after their own self interest. So at the end of the day (and perhaps the reason no one really likes the show) there's no one in the story that is actually worth telling a story about.
It was so bad and so antithetical to the whole Star Wars franchise I have had to resort to watching the finale in small pieces to get through it... What's TRUELY ironic is these awful Hollywood writers wanted the jedi to be evil bad guys SO BADLY...that like SUDDENLY MAGICALLY OUT OF THE BLUE the Jedi are complete emotional wrecks...just lost souls every one of em. They made them SEEM either completely incompetent or corrupt , but, turns out, they were mainly just morons (spoiler alerrt) In fact other than the Green lady the Jedi that were assassinated never once really did anything entirely wrong in the show and the people they TRIED SO HARD to paint as the good guys...WERE STRAIGHT UP EVIL... Qimir and Mae were just murdering fools left and right and Mae in fact killed a whole bunch of witches as a child AND THE WITCHES everyone is crying about were actually evil as well.. crazy how INSANELY AWFUL these script writers were (not to mention how bad Amandla was in this "role") And I imagine its all because these Hollywood types can't CONCEIVE of a world were people consider actually deplorable acts evil...I mean you can tell they were TRYING to make the Jedi like Sol seem awful but turns out it really was Mae, Qimir..and then Osha who they tried to frame as the good guys...just BLECK all the way around...Its the first time Ive commented on something on RU-vid and while thinking back on it wanted to throw up in my mouth.
Only one of them was really like that. Well, 2. Sol and torbin. The Jedi aren't portrayed as evil, or bad. They're portrayed as flawed. There is a difference. They're still good and the sith are stil bad. But this show is about a character becoming a sith I take it you would hate.old classic star wars novels like bane, or plagueis or even the revenge of the sith novel. They aren't very kind to the Jedi You're filling in a lot of things u didn't understand with like, ur own interpretations of it
See bud, the main issue here, is that you feel attacked because the jedi are portrayed as flawed and weak. Which cool it's not ideal when we've seen them be bad ass. But the whole point is to show that not even jedi can be trusted to be 100% true to their institution
The Jedi have always had poor decision making skills. An organization being good in general doesn't mean it's infallible and it certainly doesn't mean that everyone within that organization is a good person. Sol wanting to protect innocent children was noble but there's no way to justify killing someone so you can kidnap their children because you don't like their religion or because you perceive them to be bad based on feels and vibes. Another content creator made a parallel between Sol and the Waco, Texas Branch Davidian situation and it was so spot on.
See you broke it down so smooth and efficient like. If only the writers could execute seamless storytelling, cause I liked the actors involved but not their characters.
I’m just more confused than anything at this point. I don’t think we ever had to do so much extended mental digesting in Star Wars before. And I don’t think any of us were ready for that
"Got a lot of things right and wrong???" What did it even get right. Look, If you like this show, more power to you but I personally can't with Disney anymore.
I swear to God when Mae and Osho were face-to-face I thought they were going to kiss, there was no direction whatsoever on the series, I genuinely believe it was all on auto pilot and written by AI.
Ok I'll tell you what you're feeling! It was so frustrating and silly - here you have it - the Jedi are bad - the Sith are good. If Yoda knows about the "incident" he's scum - if he gets played he's dumb :-( And why is the tracker even sabotaging the ship?
@@simpletown323 sol was putting the ship in danger, flying thru the asteroid field. Bazillwas trying to stop him but that was a dumb way to do it, which I think is the point
The Jedi aren't bad as an Order. But the show is making a point that even good institutions can contain flawed individuals. "Road to hell is paved w good intentions" If you actually ever read legends this isn't even slightly out of place. Yoda finds out at the end of the show when vernestra comes in and talks to him, or maybe before when shes doing her press conference thing. No one suspects the sith are involved except Vernestra, who might not even know qimir is actually a Sith, just a fallen Jedi from her perspective. Although idk she does seem like, extra worried. But she's also just presenting the evidence she has about what went on. She can't actually even prove someone else killed sol. The jedi covered up quite a bit in the prequel movies. It's nothing new There's a lot of reaching required, and misunderstading/ignoring what was actually on the screen to come up w a lot of these critiques I'm noticing. The execution was weak at times, but people acting like this somehow contradicts other star wars releases or breaks lore or misunderstands star wars fundamentally are missing a lot of stuff
@@cloudmaster182 But Sol was never corrupt, he only made a reasonable mistake, the witches throughout the series were hostile and even killed Torbin, in that part Anyzeia transformed into smoke to attack him when moments before he said that his daughters would not leave and the whole rest died when they tried to kill the rest with kelnaca it was not their fault
This show wasn't even just a bad starwars show it would be considered bad even without the starwars brand attached to it. That's just my opinion if you enjoyed the show im glad at least a few people found joy in this
I don't think the Bunta tree is the vergence. I think the vergence is actually tied to the planetary/lunar alignment. Something about a perfect eclipse when all are in a line creates a nexus of power. It might even be dark centric, specifically tied to the moons being in the shadow of the system's sun. Perhaps cores of Kyber or something along those lines that resonate when aligned (perhaps why the deep well is where they conduct their rituals, its like a vent of that power source), or maybe hidden ancient sith temples on each moon that do the same. The witches are more powerful when the moons are up, but probably most powerful when the moons are in a perfect eclipse, which is kinda alluded to as well.
It was basically a romantic comedy telling the story of two people who despite their differences learned to work together and eventually fell in love. Such a farce of a tv show.
This is not saying much, but if episode 7 was removed, and both prospectives (Sol and Mae) in a clear way cleaned up a lot of the writing, toned down the overacting, the show would be better. I don't like how Mae and Osha were created by the Force witches, giving Darth Plagueis who was hiding in the shadows there, the idea to create his own force baby, aka the chosen one. Or, to be more corect force pushed back on him and Sidious for trying to push the balance toward the dark side.
w/r/t the vergence and the idea of it being the failed attempt at creating the chosen one; and if the vergence is what caused Brendok to be teaming with life, then shouldn't tatooine no longer be a desert wasteland if that's where Anakin was created?
My disbelieve was suspended too much in this one... The Osha-Mea thing still does not work at all. They killed one of the 3 good characters and had him act like a lobotomite AGAIN. The actor pulled so much out of what was given to him. Sad his role was written like it was. And whats going on with that rat-person, is he just an agent of chaos?!
After watching episode 8, it made me more interested in sol and qigib and everyone else actually. There was no need for the twins to be in the show. They wanted to make a show about the view of the Jedi from a bad guys point of view and they could've without the twins. Shows the potential it had but also showed the lack of competence from creators
I told you the last episode would break about everything & everyone even worse than what came before. Again, PEAK Monty Python, GREAT slapstick-comedy/satire, in that regard NOTHING can beat this, it's now even more "Spaceballs" than "Spaceballs" itself. Search your feelings, you know this to be true. Even "The Last Jedi", which I fucking hate, I called it "Spaceballs 2: The Lost Jedi", isn't that bad, and it is easily 1 of the best of THE VERY BEST from the worst of THE VERY WORST. Everything else Disney-SW before, well, most of it, was slo-mo self-destruction, but "The Acolyte" is basicly all the coffin nails at once, with lightspeed. And, yes, of course they will do more, because they'll have to save face & there's always more money to waste for bad shit spraypainted gold. Different name though, same with "Ahsoka", I guess. Let them, not enough slapstick-comedy/satire out there. So badass, as in bad & ass, inconceivably funny, and braindamaging, but still funny nontheless. Give it a couple of years, Disney-SW will be on the same level as "Sharknado" & "The Asylum" stuff. If Hollyweird has to invent another useless oscar-category, it should be something like "and the oscar for the most laughably BAD handled franchise goes to... Dismal Disney, because SW, aaand the MSHEU (hands them 2 golden clowns)", I even would watch that live.
The way the Osha and Mae relationship ended really felt like it was an afterthought, the entire time I was wondering why on earth they had to leave her, it makes no sense, it's like they were done with the character but didn't want to commit to killing her off, just really odd, definitely the weakest part of the finale
Mae and Osha being a failed creation makes the most sense. Why would Plagueis allow Qimir to train both Osha and Mae, when Plagueis is following the rule of two. Seems like he'd want to test both of them so see how strong they are. Qimir is just following the plan.
Tbf, the Sith weren't always working within the confines of the Rule of Two. In fact, in Legends Plagius was happy to forgo the rule of two when he killed Tenebrous. And I'm pretty sure he had numerous apprentices at any given time. That being said, that's legends, so we will have to wait and see what they will do with Plagius' character
I think we should have gotten a fight between Vernestra and Qimir. It probably would have been a pretty good fight and we need more of the lightwhip rather than vernestra pulling it out to slice up a bug for no more than 2 seconds. I loved seeing Plagueis and Osha bleeding Sol's crystal was... something. I definitely enjoyed seeimg that. I wish the high council had more of an appearance though. I do think that Osha becoming Qimir's apprentice could lead to an interesting sequence of events, except for them leavimg Mei behind which really wasn't the right choice, but at least we might not see her again, cause I'm not really a fan of Mei.
So I haven’t watched the Acolyte and if I ever do it’s going to be after a while to get some distance from the discourse. What I’ve gathered from second hand is Darth Plagueis was fooling around trying to create life with the Force and that’s so how going to led to Anakin’s creation either by Plagueis or more likely as a reaction by the Force to his playing with life like in Legends. Which is kind of an interesting idea this series seems to have a few of those but the execution falls short is what I’m getting.
The Acolyte had only two good episodes. Number 5 and 8 were written with some heart, but all the other episodes were badly written. If season two happens, they better not mess it up.
Star Wars with great bad guys are important. Good people turning to the dark side good. Jedi that hides the truth is at its core. Building for more stories. The story is actually good, but the story-telling can improve.
It's not crazy at all, considering the nightsisters had many powers over life and could grand force sensitivity. Savage had no or very limited force sensitivity before the nightsisters changed him, and these are powers neither the Jedi nor Sith have. So it's hardly improbable that different force cults have different abilities. Also, Plagius an Sheev never make life.
@@lespaul5734 the night sisters were already poorly executed and created plenty of lore breaking things. George partly realized this and decided to kill them off in the same way he did with the jedi as he is solely responsible for the clone wars episode in which they are genocided in. saying these witches are similar to the night sisters already implies major world breaking plot holes that not only break the clone wars but also the acolyte itself. if you want a farther break down i recommend watching sheev talks video on how the clone wars doesn't hold up. as someone who adores the clone wars it was very eye opening to have things such as the night sisters broken down and their lore breaking capabilities exposed among other things. also having anything less than a sith lord create life is already retarded as it implies that anakins existence is brought about less because of plagueses meddling and more of these random witches that have no right to do such a thing.
@@rmw9420 The Clone Wars are canon, whether we like them or not, and whether we think they break the lore or not. As established canon, it is the lore, it doesn't break it. Also, a sith lord never created life. The canon is they (Plagius and Sidious) tried to, but failed, and the will of the force created Anakin as a result. That's a very different scenario to what we saw in this show.
@@lespaul5734 yeah yeah, I'm not pissed off that the clone wars are cannon as they brought us the inhibitor chips and other actual good things, I am not part of the sub sect of the fandom that believes the clone wars multi media project did better service to the clone wars than what we got in the tcw TV show. Now addressing your other point, there is no way in hell that you can look me dead in the face and say plagus, arguably one of the sith most obsessed with creating life from the force, being quite literally CUCKED out of his main thing as far as we know was a good decision for this show among other stupid decisions this show decided to take. if they wanna make quimir absolutely OP without making him a full on sith then that should go to show just how powerful the sith were and there for show that their abilities are far above that of fallen jedi as well as a coven of weak witches. to be absolutely clear, and if you wanna use the plagus novel as reference, there is no way plagus would allow a random coven of witches to do the very thing he was striving for so long without just killing them all off and using the vergence in the force for himself to do the very thing he was propped up to be most interested in doing. if anything this show would have made plageus a main character and showed just how close he was to achieving his goal with the power of the vergence in the force only to be foiled by the jedi if not osha or mei drawing attention to it. in conclusion, the fact that they brought plagus into this period completely discredits sheevs whole speech in revenge of the sith as something like this would surely be brought up, if not for making the jedi even stupider in not realizing what was going on. I cannot in good faith accept what this show has done to the major players of the prequels with less than 100 years to go before them happening. this show defiles georges vision as well as bastardizes the plagus we all know and love from the novels. another thing, nothing against you for trying to make sense of it all. that is what dedicated fans are supposed to do so I hold no grudges against you or your reasoning.
@@rmw9420 I have nothing against you either, I appreciate the convo and the arguments you make. I didn't see Plagius getting "cucked" here. The last episode ends with Sol saying "somehow" the twins aren't real twins due to how they were created. We have no idea, and neither does Sol, how and why that happened. It could be that Plagius was involved or aware of the witches experimentation. Maybe he egged them on, advised them, etc... Perhaps it was one of the first experiments he oversaw or investigated. We literally don't know, so I don't see the point of getting upset at something we don't know yet. If there is one thing the Sith are good at, its manipulating larger events from the shadows, or at the very least, twisting them to their advantage. It may be that you're right, but maybe not. I'm not going by the Plagius novel, it isn't canon. As much as I enjoyed those stories, I look forward to what they will do with his character. I don't want a copy paste of Legends, but I also don't want them to completely change his character. As for Palpatine's speech, it's pretty obvious he is either lying or exagerating to seduce Anakin to the Dark Side. Palpatine had not inherited the wisdom over life and death he claims his master had, he couldn't save Padme but he wanted to convince Anakin he could, and he had no solution to solution as seen in the sequels. I thought the witches were pretty boring imo. "Weak" idk because we were shown so little and so little was explained about their powers. I have no issue with force cults having knowledge and techniques the Sith and Jedi don't have, they just have the be explained better. Both the Jedi and Sith are dogmatic and narrowminded in their own ways.
I honestly hope for a season 2. I am disappointed by some parts of this season, but I feel like a second season could be fairly redeeming for the show. Unfortunately after the reaction to this show (some parts justified calling out bad writing, other parts culture war bs) it seems unlikely that we will get that second season.
Love the show or hate it, I always longed for someone like that senator to tell the Jedi truth to Force. They are posing as religion and pretending to be in control of own feelings, while they are neither. He is almost prophetic when he says that one day a fallen Jedi will be doom of both Order and Republic. Best character in series!
I hope we don't get a Season 2. One Season was bad enough. The writing was nonsensical in many places. Do we really want a second season of more of the same?
I like all these theories but none of them were mentioned in the show. If I didn't know anything about star wars I would be very confused about the show.
It’s the lack of character development for OSHA and MAE that is the weakest point of these eight episodes. I watched them all and I cannot describe who either woman is as a person. But that complaint feels very Star Wars. A character with dialogue onscreen for hours remains more of a vessel for plot rather than a developed character.
The action was great imo but everything else is so inconsistent. Like after Maemuders multiple Jedi masters and a wookie she decides to have the moral high ground when Sol was on the ground
Mannnnnnnn i desperately want to like this show. They do sooooo many cool things from the comics and books, both legends and canon, yet so much of it falls flat. . . Like when i think avout what they acrually did with the story and what they were trying to go for, i get excited, but they just failed to execute it all in a way that kept me engaged. I love the sirh and how he destroyed the jedi in ep5. I loved Sol as a charcter and was for a while one of my all time favourite jedi, but they kill him so unceremoniously. They showed kyber crystal bleeding but i feel like it should have been done in a ceremony, after she kills sol, not during, but i get why it happened. Mae and Osha's storyline just sucked imo. The entire season depended on the success of episodes 3 and 7, setting up the backstory and motivations of all the charcters and it failed to do that satisfyingly for me. I loved how they handled Qimir/The Stranger and set up plagueis, the cotosis mines and how they are paying respect to legends, but this storyline needed the tension and character work that House of the Dragon does. It needed more time to tell its story and it needed to be MORE EXCITING.
So in the end Qimir wasn't even a Sith, he was just a Dark Jedi pretending to be a Sith, and everyone complaining about how the Acolyte broke canon were wrong. It's a bad show that is ultimately inconsequential to the overall story of Star Wars. *Can we please just move on*
I dont think Qimir’s an apprentice to Plageius. My best bet is that Qimir’s a renegade jedi which explains the connection to Vernestra, and may have come across some sith stuff. Qimir’s design is remniscient of Ren, the leader of the Knights of Ren before Kylo and they share some parallels like being inferior to Jedi Masters overall; I doubt Qimir’s a fully trained Sith like he alleges and ik Im downplaying Sol idk the timeline but I could be wrong but I feel like Plageius might be too young yet to take on an apprentice. My best bet for his reveal is that is that Plageius is simply spying on Osha and Mei and is more susceptible to the vergences or whatever thar Sol were talking abt. Qimir’s suggesting he’s a sith is probably him playing pretend and he equates dark side force user to sith and assumed the title w/o knowing there are living sith in the shadows
Also, how did she do a great job of keeping all of this away from the Jedi they still took in Mae who quite a few Jedi knew was the Jedi killer early on. She may not be at, but she’s the one who killed Indara not Sol, so is she getting people to go along with her lie and Yoda is not gonna buy that
I’m hoping they don’t make another season bc of horrible writing. We still didn’t get any back story of Qimir that I’m disappointing about that. It didn’t explain why the witches died of quickly or how Mea survive from the fall? I’m still wondering how the Jedi is the bad guys. They literally defended themselves from the witches and if Mother Annasiaya just told what she’s going to do it will never happen actually Master Sol did told the truth that it was an accident. The issue is Master Sol should’ve tell OSHA the whole story to what happened but in episode 7 he retell the story to Mea to what happened even though she was there and saw the whole thing. Not once the sister acknowledged that her other mother Karol and other witches try to prevent osha going with the Jedi. At least Mea apologies to OSHA that she caused the fire and not blaming the Jedi but Mea did destroyed her home.
