Correction at 514: 78 kWh is the gross usable battery (same as all previous Polestar 2s with this pack) - the net capacity is more like 75 kWh! Similar buffer/specs on the single motor - the 82 kWh is gross and NOT net!
And CATL makes the new 82 kWh pack! It's got 3 more modules (27 vs 24) than the old LG 78 kWh pack and actually does have *slightly* newer chemistry which also helps explain the charging improvements.
For the 82 kWh gross battery version, the net is 79 kWh, correct? I got confused seeing three numbers when I usually only see two, one being net and the other being gross.
One more goodie: the new front motor is induction so it can be shut off and leave the rear permanent magnet to do its thing - that's a big part of how the non-performance Dual Motor will now be slightly more efficient. Love it!
The 02 roadster, original 05 sedan concept and the recent hypercar design study are all top shelf for sure. 👍🏻 Production intent though have all lost a few tenths from the sexy concept to the real production cars imo. 🤔
Very excited that my MY24 RWD just landed in the country and will be delivered to me in South Australia soon. Perfect car for me to road trip across Australia. I went Pilot, but no Plus pack as didn’t want sunroof - I did get the towbar! This is a real car, a solid car and a drivers’ car!
Whelp - that’s a tough sell from a value perspective! I think buying a used performance pack, as you did, is still the smartest decision. That car drives so great! Looking forward to trying this one when it’s my time ⚡️
Totally agree. As much as my husband loves his 2022 polestar, we’ve been telling everyone to get it used as these are so cheap used. Since we’ve lost so much money w ours, I guess we’ll be keeping it for a while.
Absolutely! You can pick up a used Ionic 5 for similar money as a used Polestar 2. And we all know the Hyundai is a charging monster! The Polestar 2 is the car for people who want something different, and a near luxury interior. Can't really go wrong with the 1-3 year used market for EVs!
It's still odd that the Europeans are getting the better battery in the dual motor a year sooner than we are. Still a fantastic car no matter how you slice it.
I love the environment that you live in. I enjoyed looking out of your windows at the trees and mountains going by. Other than that, EXCELLENT review. Next to Kyle, you are perhaps the next best presenter on this channel. Thank you.
Great review! I still love my '21 Launch Edition with Leather and the Performance Software Upgrade, but the improvements are very much worthwhile. Totally agreed that the Tesla Model 3 may be a great value/great car, but to me, it's the Prius of 2020's in that they are common, plain and blend in whereas the Polestar 2 is more bespoke and unique. I've never had a problem with the '21 Dual Motor's range or charging speed and even after more than 2 years behind the wheel, it still puts a smile on my face and makes me look back when I leave it behind in a parking lot.
How about the recent M3 rdesign? Also does the model 3 in the us with tax credits working out to be 18-25k cheaper post credits, tax and interest savings. Sway your opinion any? A loaded dual motor lr m3 is 44-46k in inventory today vs the 49k no tax credit rwd polestar 2.🤔 How about the tesla safety, standard options, tech with proven ota updates, charging speeds&scer network use&reliability advantages?
@@normt430 hilarious thanks. Imagine thinking a Swedish designed but Chinese built ice platform car was worth looking back at. Now if it was the 02 roadster maybe I could see that being the case? There is a white dual motor 2022 polestar with perf pack I've driven in my neighborhood here in ATL with many other evs. It ain't all that and certainly isn't worth what the owner paid for it. 😀 They even say the same thing having bought it last summer during peak ev madness. And the perf doesn't compare to a m3 perf either. Range is no contest and thr charging, tech and safety all lag behind tesla! Must be why nearly 20x as many teslas have sold in the same time as polestar made just 150k of the ps2. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 this leaves a Model Y Perf after 60 mph in Car & Driver testing. Edmund's range tests has them within 10% of each other. Considering this heavier ICE based that js pretty good! This was a better deal than Tesla wore IRA. Used the P*2 DM are almost $10k less than Tesla and approaching used tax credit for EV's. "...Booting the right pedal pushes the all-wheel-drive model to 60 mph in 3.9 seconds and past the quarter-mile mark after 12.2 seconds, 0.2 and 0.5 ticks, respectively, ahead of a 402-hp Polestar 2 that we tested two years ago. This newfound muscle is not so evident at low speeds, however, with the 2023 car's acceleration below 30 mph matching that of its less powerful 2021 counterpart. Dip into the two AC motors' reserves while on the move, and the surplus power propels the 2 forward with formidable force, shaving 0.3 second from both the 5-to-60- and the 50-to-70-mph times..." www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a42283280/2023-polestar-2-performance-package-by-the-numbers/
@@normt430 70k as tested? 4,714# in weight and just 75mpge real world efficiency? Thanks for the laughs for sharing that I had forgotten I'd read it late last year. Here in the U.S. this is apx 18-25k more than a similarly equipped m3 after the tax credit, tax savings and loan interest is applied. With less tech, less range, less standard equipment, unproven ota capability, not as safe, slower charging etc vs a tesla m3. 👍🏻😀
I understand that these are premium cars and that their finishes are better than Telsa (and many other brands for that matter) but at that price point it's a tough sell. They need to bite the bullet and be competitive with pricing. Used market for the Polestar 2 on the other hand is slowly starting to get interesting.
Yeah - I bought one that 18 months old with 15k miles. It was £20k cheaper than new (37% discount in UK money). Very hard sell for new with that level of depreciation.
no its more worth; better build and finishes, has an instrument cluster, apple car play, better sound system, better trunk due to being a lift back lol. I'd say yea it'd be nice if it dropped maybe just a tad bit, but regardless the price is pretty justified
22:53 Android Auto is NOT available in the P2, just Automotive and... CarPlay. Quite a debate going on about that actually. As a P2 owner, I'm pissed I can't use AA in a car with Google's UI.
In range and charging, it falls behind Model 3 & Ioniq 5/EV6, BUT, none of those beat its built quality, and the driving of the Performance version, I'm really thinking swapping my Ioniq 5 for one of these. (Love the look!)
Speaking of the app. Which truly sucks. I had a Volvo over a decade ago and the app on that was very slow and cumbersome too. I don’t see them ever improving their app. It’s been pretty hopeless for two years.
Check out Bjørn Nyland's comprehensive tests of the new MY2024 RWD Single Motor, Long Range (82kWh). Here's his range test: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fhw6t1K84dY.html Video after that is his charging test.
I don't agree about "vegan leather" (which is actually just vinyl) being better than leather. More sustainable, maybe? It's getting a lot better for sure, but I don't think it wears any better, and definitely feels cheap. It's hard to beat the feel of leather seats, and they clean-up easily too. If you are driving around with red wine or something that stains, can see vinyl being better. I'm not big into eating in a car though. I'm also not convinced all of the petroleum products needed to make vinyl is any better than cowhide (which animal was already going to be eaten anyway). But definitely open to any data behind it.
I was leasing Ioniq 5, lease is up, and was looking for a new car. I'm not a fan of Tesla interior and I briefly had Model Y and it had some serious issues where I had to return it since for the 3 month I had it, I drove it for 2 weeks at most, it was being fixed the rest of the time. So, no Tesla for me. Ioniq 5 is abeautiful car, but where I live the CCS network was a bit of a downfall. For most daily driving, I didn't have any issues, and car was a dream! The issue was road trips, and the fact it won't be until (I think) mid 2025 that It will get NACS access (Hyundai/Kia), I was looking at cars with NACS now, and I test drove a Polestar, I fell in love with it. Its smaller than Hyundai, and Frankly, despite not having AWD, I'm going for a Long Range Single Motor Plus (with Pilot pack) for me, with 19" tires, and the only choice I have to make is the color: Thunder or Midnight.... THunder seems to fit these cars. So, Ioniq 5 is going back to dealership as lease is over, I will miss that car, but I rarely ever had it charge at its full capacity, most times using 150 kwh chargers. Polestar 2 charge curve seems nice, performance on RWD is nice, so I am likely to pick it up as soon as I choose the color (I'm leanign towards thunder with upgraded light color interior). \BTW, I used to have Volv S60R, and that AWD car had similar specs as Polestar 2 LRSM, but new EV is faster by about 1 sec. 0-60, where as it has maybe more torque, but one less hp (I think VOlvo was about 300hp and about same torque). Way to go Polestar! :) TThats performance enough to me, and frankly, Polestar with NACS is car for me. I did look at Mustang Mach-E, it is larger, which would have been nicer, but this is goign to be a good daily driver, and road trip car for work. As much as I would like Ohlins and performance pack, I rather the 205 kwh charge speed, and range is nice.
The biggest design flaw continues, and it is the reason I will still not buy this. It may be petty but for me it's a huge deal: Cupholders. I require two full-time usable cup holders in a vehicle. It's funny because I could tell when you needed both cupholders when you were both in the car because I could see the center console cover lifted up. If you need to lose your armrest and lift up the center console just to have a second cup holder, that is atrocious design and I can't believe they still haven't remedied that.
If thats a dealbreaker then ut just drinkong too much coke😅 What should be a dealbreaker is the new steering wheel blinkers on the model 3 which is THE STUPIDEST invention of the whole century and the fact that some people defend that just makes me lose hope in humanity as a whole. Totally off topic sorry but i just had to compare that😅
The cupholder is fine I think, although the second is too far back. But you can even buy 3d printed cup holders you can attach if it bothers you that much. They attach to the glove box or center console. There are also 3d printed bottle inserts for the door pockets.
Model range comparisons [2:15] - looking at the UK configurator it's a little different from what you're being offered in the US. I'd guess it's the same in the rest of Europe. 4 model levels - 1 "standard range" 69kWh Single Motor and 3 Long Range 82kWh: SM, Dual Motor & DM Perferomance. The Long Range Single Motor has the best WLTP range but the 2 Dual Motor options don't suffer too much. One day you'll have a US Polestar factory (starting with the SUV Polestar 3) and then this brand will really take off in America I think.
RWD is the way to go. Too many people have been duped by the media into thinking they need AWD. If you have driving skills and winter tires [for those in the snow belt] the much more efficient RWD is the obvious answer. Why pay thousands more for less range?
That logic makes sense for an ICE car, but if you can double the power and get 0-60 times around 4 seconds then it doesn't seem like a good way to save a few grand IMO. I've driven both the FWD Polestar 2 and the AWD Polestar 2 but not the RWD Polestar 2. I haven't even gotten to drive the dual motor in snow yet, but I can tell you it's fun just on dry pavement. Our ICE car is FWD with Bridgestone Blizzak tires just in winter months and that made SO much difference in the snow. It helps handling and braking too. Too early to say if I will get a set of winter tires for the Polestar.
I rented a P2 from Hertz for a week for a thorough test drive. Loved most things but...hated that center console and it's waaay overpriced. Looking at what's coming, the P3 starts at 84k in the US and maxed out is pushing 100k! I dunno, but MB and BMW are probably getting a chuckle out of that.
I just rented a RWD Polestar 2. I love the looks of it and overall thought it was a nice car. But small and big things just start to bug the crap out of me. No frunk 🤦♂️ On the inside I hate the cup holder layout. So much wasted space in the center console. Absolutely hated the seatbelt chimes if you go and someone isn’t fully buckled in. The vents, the vents and ventilation is terrible. There is no right vent for the driver and left side vent for the passenger. It’s just inadequate. And I don’t have first hand experience but my two daughters hated the air in back. They complained they were freezing while up in front we were kinda hot. The software is kinda slow and clunky. The controls - why do I have audio controls on the right of the steering wheel and then the same controls on the knob on the center console? The steering - it seamed to unresponsive. It definitely was not tight like a Tesla. Why no adaptive cruise? This is 2023/2024, it should be standard. The kinda liked the car but as each day went on the little things just started getting to me. And then there is the charging - a complete nightmare! Time after time of having things not work or waiting in line just for a dam charger tells me never buy an EV unless it’s a Tesla.
Ryan, I don’t want you to take this the wrong way, but I feel like you missed it on not doing a charging test, if Kyle and Out of Spec taught me anything, it’s all about the curve. Also maybe could have mentioned that Europe is getting the good battery for all models. And South Korea get old battery on both. I know you’re mostly the host for Guide, but this video style isn’t the Out of Spec Reviews I’m used to.
This was a polestar hosted event. I doubt there was an opportunity for a charging test or much else besides a look and a short drive. I do hope the channel does a more in depth look at these refreshed cars though. Many of us have written off Tesla as an option so this car I feel is the closest to that, even if not from a price point exactly, although lease deals do come close.
I'm Max! The drive events don't have an opportunity for charging tests but ofc we'll do plenty of testing when we have a loaner car for review. Yes Europe gets 82 kWh all around, but due to supply chain/logistics not for us in states. RWD bias is down to rear motor now being the 220 kW unit from the RWD-only car and the front being an induction 115 kW one that can be disengaged. It's pretty pronounced.
About MOdel 3, assuming you don't have quality/build issues on yours;... Price is only cheaper if you go for the RWD standard range model 3 (a Sedan witha regular trunk, not the Polestar's hatchback), but once you start adding Enhanced Autopilot, a paint other than white and a different interior, the Polestar is about the same frankly, not that much cheaper iespecially when you look at the Performance & Long range Tesla prices. Yes some people can get the $7500 rebat, but not all people can. But with Polestar, you get what I think isa car with SOLID build quality, a nicer looking interior, and a better looking interior (I think the Tesla interior looks okay, a bit too bland, and it looks okay from most angles, but the Front of the Model 3 is plain ugly to me, where as Polesar looks good). Tesla is not fo rme.
I would not prever 06 interior over Polestar, but I guess it is more about you preferences. Also not sure what you mean buy quality. P2 is pretty solid car. But driver space is like cockpit and if you do not like that I can see it can be an issue. I like that it way.
@@mho0 Ioniq 6 is much larger/longer. It's also a ground-up BEV. But Polestar is more of a performance car. I sat in the Ioniq 6 and didn't find the quality better than the Polestar I drove. And the Polestar is very, very solid.
70k fir this thing, you gotta have rocks you head t o spend this much, horrible center conso.e, that hurts your knees when it's up against it, no thanks
The Polestar 2 has never been a competitor to the model 3 or Y. That's like saying a pop warner team is competitive against the 2000 Baltimore Ravens defense.
The is a fast BEV considering it is ICE based a d not BEV from ground up. So it is heavier and not as efficient. Though Edmund's has the range test within 10% of Tesla. The P*2 Dual Motor with 487 hp is a couple of tenths faster than Model Y Perf from 60 mph on up in Car & Dri er testing.
The female reviewer is a 'package of sound bites'. The interior is cramped. the tunnel intrudes to the drivers leg, the whole top console is terrible; one cup holder in sight, the other hidden UNDER the armrest[note how the armrest is UP for the two passengers], the gear selector is far to prominent and in the way, no storage under the console[ because its hiding a battery pack!} This is a gas engine car converted to EV and they got it all wrong. To see how its done aright, see the new or old Kia Niro EV. For the record books, I took a test drive in one- the sum result=RUN AWAY!
