I failed to take my own advice…

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When you're working on the bass of your song, there's a simple production error that should be easy to avoid - if only I had listened to my own advice from a few weeks ago!
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Contents:
0:00 a phonecall from my mastering engineer
0:28 long and short decay tails (summary)
1:00 the harp song pre-master
1:57 the problem (bass decay tail)
3:38 artistic vision vs technical compromise
4:28 the mixdown comparisons
7:30 the mastering comparison
8:30 about working with a human

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@OscarUnderdog Год назад

Face the Sun - The Maze (ft. Gui Perdrix) ► open.spotify.com/track/7DgD9nNa9WX9rhDdA2cCFu Remy (mastering) ► instagram.com/remylebbos Oscar's courses ► courses.underdog.brussels

@2112jonr Год назад

Precisely this. Not only an admission that you were wrong in both your video title and the video itself. But a demonstration of what was wrong, why we might fall into the same trap you did, and how to go about fixing it. There are great teachers. But few are ever big enough to admit their own mistakes. The few that do create trust in their students, as they're prepared to have their own beliefs and practices questioned, and admit they get it wrong themselves from time to time, and have the skills to analyse and pass on why. Great work Oscar, respect. 😀

@OscarUnderdog Год назад

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@Avant5 Год назад

Exactly! Normally the videos are "here is why mine is pro, and you make rookie mistakes." This is a good way to teach - showing his own real production mistake and the fix.

@BaltimoreReese Год назад

I got more tracks signed and played when I didn’t follow technical advice and just went with with artistic vision - glad you mentioned that

@mojophonic Год назад

gold advice as usual and the courage to practice what you preach (and come clean when you don't)!

@timepainter6831 Год назад

But so important! Decay time, and also important, balance the artistic vision with the technical vision. This is what I found as a noob, even let´s say a beautiful designed arpreggio on an synthesizer, sounds great, sometimes long decay time, great, only to find it´s exactly that that cause huge problems when mixing (note, for me songs are a kind musical story). My solution now..... is keep making happy accidents with sound design....but artistic vision of a song and sound design are different.... even when creating patches, and certain sounds bring up ideas for songs! Thx for this video! Good solution is indeed to cut away in your recordings....goes against the feeling sometimes, but smart...

@Italliving Год назад

We sometimes have to listen to what we teach , when we don't it simply comes back as a boomerang , Thanks for this reminder we all need from time to time

@KaisuiSTFC Год назад

This video came out right on time! i was just having trouble with a project i'm working on today and i felt something wrong with it, i said let's go to youtube to rest a bit, watched this and then i figured out that the kick tail on my song was insanely long, fixed it and everything is better now, thanks a lot!

@TheAnthraxBiology Год назад

I love this channel so much. Just drops simple things that I needed to be reminded of every now and then, other times turns me onto something completely new, and when Oscar doesn't do what he tells us to do he comes clean haha

@BaltimoreReese Год назад

You could use cable guys side chain and invert it to have more control if you don’t want to do it manually like Oscar did. I do this a lot to cut the decay on the bass and kick

@j.r.a.inthacut8148 Год назад

Always look forward to your videos! Thank you Oscar 🤙🏽🤙🏽

@tetsujintheproducer4213 Год назад

I am always looking for what you have to post next on RU-vid and I am glad that I heard this. Thank you.

@deadpryde1232 Год назад

Love your videos. So good every time.

@chronoxofficial Год назад

"Level 9000 Hearing" 😅. Always love DBZ references😁 Anyway, again fantastic tutorial Oscar! Great advice on the sub. I think keeping 'breathing room' for instruments, especially in the low ends is one of the most important lessons every music producer should know. And as always, keep up the great work!

@samueldedeyne202 Год назад

Excellent, as usual. I really love the way you explain. Failing is a good part of learning well!

@cassinimusic Год назад

Great content. The most chilled/zen personality. Tutorials that are easy to digest. Love your stuff man, by far my favourite music production school on this thing !

@fabgott8026 9 месяцев назад

Another great video. I'm improving every day with your classes. Thanks.

@stephaneblondin2224 Год назад

This was so eye opening, thanks for sharing such knowledge!

@djartizen Год назад

Thank you for nice advice! I will clean up my decay tails of bass

@eli-shulga Год назад

Thank you! Bass processing is such a struggle for me. And while technically I know you should keep low end tight, Im still usually not doing it enough. Then cry over very muddy mix.. Thank you, love your channel it helped me a lot in the past and present :)

@Reallifetimbo Год назад

Such a big fan of your videos mate keep it coming!

@artemisnite Год назад

Wow! Huge difference there! Thanks for the tips!

@Radical-Fantasy Год назад

Great stuff as always , thank you 🙏

@bluedev1495 Год назад

Oscar, your videos are awesome! 💯

@skyetalon9750 Год назад

I've learned so much from your video's, always super informative - Thanks

@infindebula 9 месяцев назад

On the example track you provide, I'd even go a step further and ensure there is zero sound coming from that bass track when the snare hits, and keep the bass silent until the following kick. Even if it's a hard mute on the 2 and 4, cutting off any decay that might still be ringing through. I think it would give the groove a bit more space. With bass frequencies like that, I operate on the philosophy that bass notes don't need much of a release tail, if any. The bass will always reverberate in the space it's played in, so abruptly cutting it off is cool. Mind you my stuff tends to have a bouncy, almost "too tight" feel. But I like it - it has become my sound.

@collapsibleentmt. Год назад

This is great info. Thank you bro!

@farrenz6297 Год назад

So much to love about this video, great job on all of it! Yes, I find myself in this situation often, just as often as I obsess over taming my decay tails on the lower end, so it's nice to get confirmation in videos like this to remind us to maintain good mixing habits. I also really love that side note about art first, tech second, especially when finding the right balance of that can often be challenging. And kudos to going "old school" for the solution. Nothing wrong with that! 🤓 Thank you!

@jean201195 Год назад

I've always wondered how your videos always falls straight on point when I'm looking for some info on mixing tips that may help me get a better sound. You're some kind of savior for many producers out there man

@OscarUnderdog Год назад

Just sharing the love, thanks for supporting 💙

@dani.papaya Год назад

So valuable Detail by editing/mixing basses/subs💯👍🏽

@neohippie6737 Год назад

Great video, as allways! Thx for sharing this with us. Your videos really encouraged me trying to create more space in my mixes. Still trying to figure out how I can get my triplets as clean but at the same time distorted, to get my signature sound without ruining my mix

@OdoSendaidokai Год назад

Great video and showcase. Thank you very much 🌻🌻🌻🌻

@JonEthin Год назад

Oscar! Great stuff, (Great track also BTW). I ran in to the similar situation with a track I was working on. I was able to fix it with shorting the decay tails and used some stock plugins for perceived loudness. Perceived loudness, and Bass control is a huge thing. Training the ear is the best way to understand these situations. No samples or sounds are created equal, always EQ and the mix is everything. Cheers! Great content, as always.

@Overxpossed Год назад

Man you're a genius... I have watched few videos of you and I'm fascinated how logical and coherent your videos are. I'm almost subscribing to your channel!!!

@OscarUnderdog Год назад

Haha you’re too kind 🤗

@Overxpossed Год назад

@@OscarUnderdog You're super welcomed mate! I just will watch more of your videos and then, subscribe to your channel!

@spacevox2584 Год назад

Really great video Oscar, it just shows how immense of an impact 'the devil in the details' has in your overall mix.

@chema__gonzalez__ Год назад

wow man... this is such golden info! can't believe i just learned this for free 🙏🏽🙏🏽 Thanks Oscar!

@bitbotrecords Год назад

great video thanks I will do this, really appreciate you honesty so refreshing. subscribed.

@Artes.Antorcha Год назад

woooo this is a veeeery useful advice!!! I think I'll go through all my tracks with this magnifying glass. thxs for shariiiing oscar!!! youre a badass ♥

@dj_Davepz Год назад

Fantastic mate, what a difference!

@Ark-Hive_DJ Год назад

I really appreciated this video. I realised this problem about my bass and decay tails a few years ago. BUT.. I never really considered that the much snappier tails I then ended up with might still not be as snappy on larger sound systems. For this reason I’ll bear them in mind much more when creating the pre master. Great video thanks so much!!!

@brucemillar Год назад

Good onya Oscar, great follow up lesson. Cheers mate.

@christiandelvaux8243 Год назад

Very good advice, helps a lot 👍 Thanks

@joni.sirvio8867 Год назад

nice vid. Me as a harder tehcno/hc/dnb bedroom producer always struggle with this topic

@m11in Год назад

nice video, good advice. thanks oscar!

@lopp3 Год назад

just wanna say it's amazing what a nice gentle high shelf boost did for that premaster

@nippodj9383 Год назад

J adore ce track Il est vraiment sympa Merci pour tout ces petits trucs qui nous font tous progresser

@JoyfulWAVE Год назад

The change sounds good...👍👍👍 ❤☮☯❤☮☯❤☮☯

@Beatsbasteln Год назад

what you say in the end is true. it is important to let others have a word about the music too sometimes, especially when they also work with it. that leads to better decisions in the entire production

@hallocine Год назад

The philosophy / discussion about decay tales is very interesting. I will think about it in the future :)

@rodrigolaporte274 Год назад

Very cool! and honest! I'm taking this into account definitely And BTW the song is awesome!

@davidpurple3698 Год назад

Thanks - and very nice track

@Djmontanamtl Год назад

You can use a transient shaper to shape the decay instead of cutting everything by hand with audio. A shape a lot my pizzicatos with a transient shaper and it’s crazy!

@smodemusic4942 Год назад

Great Advice very helpful

@fredericpasco2863 Год назад

hey oscar , i was used to never make the bass ending (like u ) good to know , i ll gonna practice , u re definitly my kelt ableton hero ,thx

@MorenoJ1973 Год назад

The bass with short Decay tail gives more punch energy on both, the bass and the kick. With the long decay tail it lose the punch energy, sure for the woofer. Its like it want the woofer pull out from the magnet. In my opinion.

@Poopscipade Год назад

deadmau5: "Kicks don't make bass!" Me: *laughs in gabber*

@AZisk Год назад

Didn’t know about this concept before now. Thanks! also “Flabby and uncontrolled” instantly reminded me of my aging body.

@DrJ3RK8 11 месяцев назад

Nice tips! I would say though, that if you say: added a slightly more crispy transient on the kick (so it's clear when it hits) then rather than decaying the bass all the way out, just drop it to a smaller amount by the end of the beat that you want it to extend to. (even if it never FULLY decays) It does breathe a bit more in your "after" version, but I do feel like you can deliberately have more sustain AND have it work. (depends on the track though I guess)

@ryansturgiss4115 Год назад

Thank you. Perfect. will check that closely from here. Nice one.

@ambientthrill6687 Год назад

Yes... it's making sense...even Virtual Riot on one of his video told he made a track with the bass is uncontrolled in a huge sound system it was the mistake is enlarged which is awful so yes with you and your engineer along thank you... it's clear that everything needs in control !! Thank you Oscar sir !!!

@Bittamin Год назад

Automating envelopes is very fun with decay

@mrgibonskc Год назад

Cool advice about making space. Interesting if you could leave this bass only for a initial drop, sacrifice some other elements, but clean it for the rest. Anyway great stuff as always!

@budgetgitarr5351 Год назад

That actually made a huge difference if one is to consider the amount of dynamic control it enabled. Also the fact that a sound might not always go totally quiet even though the applied processing is thought to do so and thus not doing its job is something I hadn't realised (always a student). I will definetly start cutting up bass manually from now on!

@Yobott Год назад

use a good oscilloscope, you will change phasing and the tail with effects and/or post processing, even linear phasing will introduce pre-ringing. only way to get a clear image on the actual waveform is either print it out and manage the wave manually, or use an oscilloscope with a sample fast envelope shaper like LFOtool (the name is misleading, you can use it as an envelope) you can get it 100% shaped how you want it this way

@davegrier2580 Год назад

Great video.

@jl9205 Год назад

A great illustration of real-life lessons learned!

@4lpina Год назад

Great tutorial Oscar! I was curious - what about just kicks with a long decay and no bassline? I thought that is also pretty common, however then there is no separation between initial kick hit and follow-up bass part.

@ivanfare Год назад

Kicks can be any thing :) , thanks for the video dude

@tomtomkiersos797 Год назад

Hi Oscar, great video. Did Remy have any opinions on crest factors of the different bass regions? What is considered technically good for the first three octaves? I imagine this is especially important in the first octave. Also, for your problem, instead of chopping by hand, why not use downwards expansion on the low frequencies of the bass to shorten decay times? Cheers!

@morgankitsis1123 Год назад

huge thanks to split technical vision and artistic one , never know what could happen when experiencing sounds just keeping the golden rules in mind and that will do

@officialcailev Год назад

Hello Oscar from Underdog

@nathanbryers Год назад

At least you keep your humour on the issue 😅 great video Oscar

@redjammie8342 Год назад

In the absence of a good monitoring setup, do you think using an oscilloscope to check the groove at the sub range and compare it against club-established references might be good enough?

@Grant82gc Год назад

I still don't agree with deadmau5 on kicks because it's really genre dependant

@Aqua_1014 Год назад

Yup yup yup

@spamytv Год назад

One hundo

@BigCrashTrackLoop Год назад

Is this the thing that it's not possible to tune a bass drum?

@mariusle3385 Год назад

1= Kick Bass 50:50 2= Kick Bass 60:40 3= Kick Bass 40:60 Something like that

@Grant82gc Год назад

@@BigCrashTrackLoop are you referring to bands/drummers not being able to tune kick drums? If you are, that is completely 100% irrelevant and has no bearing to dance music creation.

@mukinha Год назад

I need to say some things: 1. This master engeneer is pretty good! The master version is so much clean! 2. The song is great!! Congrats! 2. I don't know why but this song reminds me Goldeneye 007! James Bond vibes babe 😎

@DISCOTEKED Год назад

nice one OZ

@danxnation2159 Год назад

There are heaps and heaps of tunes which have a constant sub bass and they work in a club on a loud sound system, loads of jungle and drum & bass tunes with reese basslines or sine sub bass that is constant. Maybe do a video on how to do this instead of saying not to do it?

@stefanengel4714 Год назад

That's been a mind-opener

@bmt_techno Год назад

Great video what about the decay of techno rumbles of the hardcore persuasion?

@alza_bitz Год назад

Great explanation, I have a question though: I was thinking that a gate could be used on the bass to shorten/crop the tails, rather than manually chopping up the waveform, would that work instead? 🙏

@studiosapir182 Год назад

1000 mercis

@mattymenck Год назад

Absolutely right, but what about songs with side chained legato bass sounds, where one note holds until the next one comes in, even with glide effects. There are many songs like this in melodic Techno styles. Just wondering how the bass speaker can swing back to zero in these cases.

@lineoffside Год назад

thx , help a lot! as alwalys!

@noduj Год назад

I always edit my sub & drums in audio before mastering, its more controlable.

@GroundSound Год назад

Quick question, why not use a stock ableton gate tweaking the attack/thresholds? Is there any particular technical reason or is doing it this way just your personal preference? Wonderful video ❤❤

@navazmerchant3241 Год назад

@underdog A quick fix for this could also be programming the MIDI notes shorter so that they don't ring and sustain longer than required ) or using a transient shaper to decrease the sustain on the long notes or even a volume automation at the end of the tail. What are your thoughts on this?)

@O-EMME Год назад

Thank you Oscar

@viogitz Год назад

thanks

@djhaloeight Год назад

@OscarUnderdog Heya quick question. Me and my buddy are new Ableton users and were wondering if you use some sort of specialized or specific controller or hardware to fly thru Abletons interface like that….or just a mouse and keyboard? Lol thanks!

@deantiquisetnovis Год назад

That‘s why I alway record the MIDI with the Audio. Then I can fix the sound on the synth

@eskimo5659 Год назад

Great video, really love your content! But a little question here: What about techno rumbles? They normally only get sidechained. Or is there something big artists do, that I don't know about?

@OscarUnderdog Год назад

Nah, I'd say it's very context-dependant, and I think it's relatively OK for a techno rumble to feel like a soft blanket of bass groove that doesn't really ever stop. One advice might be: just try listening to only your low end groove through a low-pass filter to see if it has the right feeling, the right motif in the low end that you want, and the thump of your kick isn't muffled by the rumble.

@ivomatos336 Год назад

Same just happened to me last week. Got that same call 😂

@iamgeorgesears Год назад

Solid advice on the bass, but how would you go about giving rest to the speaker when you have reese or rolling bass?

@stefankatic1337 Год назад

Do you shorten rumble low/mid/high layers to leave gap between kicks? Is it necessary for hard techno?

@SyntheticTree Год назад

I see a roll off added in Ableton to your cut chunks of bass. However, I also see a little fade-in on each chunk, too. Does it hurt the sound and attack in particular? I once decided to sample drums from my synth, that was the most annoying part. Ableton added fade-ins on these samples automatically, they started to sound really weak. I think I remember, I've eventually disabled that behavior in the settings.

@Myrddin_music Год назад

What about rumble kicks in techno? Would you maybe recommend automating the low end and cutting it just before the next kick ?

@extereem1260 Год назад

In the end its about what you prefer

@DiegoPVargas Год назад

Is it possible to achive the same result using one transient shaper? And thanks for the channel, your videos are incredible useful!

@CarinaSol_Trance_Techno Год назад

A question, does this only apply to the bass, or is it ok to leave Lead synths like never ending (the reverb on my lead synth makes the sound never get quiet, also not when I have stopped the song - this might make the mix muddy, right?).

@studiom3706 Год назад

Hi underdog! Thanks a lot for this insight At the moment i have a track in production for a client, where i putted some moog sub 37 layers as a deep warm baseline, which actually never stops. On top there is a base drum off course sidechained. You think its a problem to arrange it like this? My subs can never rest…

@kabelfritz Год назад

oscar you talk about not compromising your vision, but thats exactly what you did in this vid. in v2, the overwhelming feeling is indeed replaced by punchy club sound. but i feel like the kick needed that tiny layer from the bass to be "itself". and contradicting your engineer, i think the problem was that the v1 bass was just a tiny bit too loud overall. take 1-2 db off or maybe just raise the ratio of the side chain compression, and the kick might punch through sufficiently without losing the bass layer. or leave v2 bass as is, sample a tiny bit of the bass tail and layer it over the kick in a way that doesnt introduce phasing.

@Yobott Год назад

that first example also had different percussion going on, it's a bit youtube ''wow'' factor but not real a/b'ing the longer bass does have a good pump to it but the cut tail is much more flowy so the only thing I really got from it is that he probably could use both in different context, it's a nice extra touch, i feel this is pretty much a stylistic choice rather than a ''better'' choice