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I FELL THROUGH My Ceiling Trying To Run Fiber! - Was It Even Worth It? 

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@hachuelo69
@hachuelo69 28 дней назад
Working on an attic in the middle of the summer is something I don't wish, not even to my worst enemy.
@wotnix
@wotnix Месяц назад
Very nice video Samir, There are some tips i will give you. 1. Always unroll the fiberbundle so the hoops and swirls are not in the way. 2. Always clean (!!!!) any fiber connection, even if the fiber is new.
@pitsnipe5559
@pitsnipe5559 Год назад
Wow, you were very fortunate that you were not seriously injured. When our son was a young teen, he and his running mate decided to scope out our attic space. His buddy missed a joist and went right through the ceiling. Fortunately he went right between the joists and landed on his feet. Biggest lesson learned, they had to hire someone to repair the ceiling. Would love to pull fiber to my rack but I’m no longer allowed to enter the attic (by order of my son). So, will have to wait till he has time to come do it for me.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Yea definitely was lucky. The thing is that I was fully aware of where I needed to step. Just misplaced my foot! Will definitely need to be more careful in the future.
@techdigitalgroup
@techdigitalgroup Год назад
Cat inspection part was funny. lol
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Haha. He’s very nosy!
@mikemcdonald5147
@mikemcdonald5147 8 месяцев назад
hes checking the cat cables LOL 7:59
@ghammer9773
@ghammer9773 Год назад
Some notes to consider for anyone else trying this -Starting with the one you did but didn't mention: When using the enclosed electrical boxes, pop the cable management tabs off completely so you don't pinch your fibers (they're required to secure NMC for electrical installs, but not for the class 2 that includes data runs) -There are sites that will ship you pre-terminated armored fiber with core counts of one to a few dozen. Despite the added cost, this is recommended if you're not running through conduit. They'll also make nice pull heads of at least one side so everything is nice and protected while you pull leads. -Keystone blanks: They're great! you just pop them out later when it's time to add more connections to your data plates -Importantly: duplex fiber pairs tend to be crossover cables for your convenience. If you don't want to pull apart your LC ends and have odd cables lying around, use and odd number of cables in your connector chain (as seen in the video: wall+side1+side2) as any even number will cancel out your crossover
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Thanks for the tips. The tab was so hard to take off. I had to use a multi tool at the end to take it off. I’m sure there’s a better way lol.
@ghammer9773
@ghammer9773 Год назад
@@TechTalkwithSamir you're not far off. I'd try bending back the tab with pliers or a screwdriver, then a good set of diagonal cutters. Just beware any pointy bits you might create during the cutting process.
@timmark4190
@timmark4190 Год назад
@ghammer9773. Can you share the sites that will ship the armored cables Thanks
@RudySaldivarTech
@RudySaldivarTech Год назад
I really like the way you pack a lot of good info in a short amount of time.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Thank you for checking out the channel.
@ChrisVirgilio
@ChrisVirgilio 2 месяца назад
The cat made for amazing content!😂
@ecu8r
@ecu8r Год назад
Samir my friend another great video, sorry about your misstep on the ceiling and glad you didn't get hurt. As usual very clearly explained, this maybe a future project for me because like you I'm curious to see how it works for myself.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Thank you for checking out the video and the words of encouragement! Appreciate it.
@Joseph-ko2kl
@Joseph-ko2kl Год назад
Great info thanks! I feel your TX comment- I live here too, it is sucking right now!
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
While the rest of the country is excited about summer weather, we dread it it here lol.
@ValorHeart
@ValorHeart Год назад
Nice work, getting the experience first time is always important, cheers from Israel
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Thank you for checking out the video. Appreciate the support!
@jjjacer
@jjjacer Год назад
i did the same thing when i was doing cabling for an old job, walking in the attic across the rafters, the board i was on tipped and my foot went through, i grabbed the ventalation straps (slicing my hand across all fingers, but i didnt fall through into customer service), luckily they just needed to replace a ceiling tile and i needed several bandages. coworker i think needed an icepack as he wanged his head on the steal beams when he ran up to check on me
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Wow! Glad there was no serious injuries!
@JasonsLabVideos
@JasonsLabVideos Год назад
Cool video !! Fiber to the workstation via 10g is what im using too!!
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Awesome! I’m definitely happy with my fiber rub (despite the mishap).
@fps_purple9556
@fps_purple9556 Год назад
man that fiber installer really did a number on the install. You most likely have a passive optical network on the ISP side, which is shared bandwidth and it all depends how many houses you share with; PON plc splitters are 1:4 1:8 1:16:1:32 1:64
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
So I only share the passive signal with one other house. But that house doesn’t even have fiber service so I think I get the entire bandwidth to myself at the moment. Then again I only subscribe to 300Mbps connection so I doubt it would ever be an issue even if there was bandwidth sharing going on.
@IHunger4Battle1
@IHunger4Battle1 Год назад
@@TechTalkwithSamir AT&T uses splitters at a PFP which are fed by a central office. The splitters can have either 32 or 64 ports on them. You may share a terminal with one other house, but that terminal isn't where the signal originates from. The chances of your splitter being full of either 32 or 64 customers are very high, yet like you said, you won't be affected much. As far as that install, you could experience problems the way that the fiberglass on either side of the fiber is just hanging out of the wall like that. It's putting unnecessary stress on that fiber, which could easily lead to the fiber breaking. I'd secure that somehow so there isn't any stress on the fiber itself. Like FPS_Purple said, that installer did a number on it.
@rfitzgerald2004
@rfitzgerald2004 Год назад
Agreed that installation is terrible, I don't know what the codes are like in the US but they would likely come into it. Here in the UK we don't have any applicable codes for fibre installs but it's common to terminate the incoming fibre into a small box of some sort where the sheathing of the cable is securely clamped to stop it getting pulled out, and then a connectorized outlet of some sort installed. The styles of them vary but the fitting is typically the same that the sheathing should be clamped and the internal white fibre should be cable managed safely in a connector box to prevent damage
@DrTorbjorn
@DrTorbjorn Месяц назад
Nice job, thinking of doing the same. What’s the siren for in the attic?
@chrisumali9841
@chrisumali9841 Год назад
thanks for sharing and info, have a great day
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Thanks for checking out the video.
@ironfist7789
@ironfist7789 Год назад
One thing you could do is run a "smurf tube" conduit (orange is really the color for low voltage, but that is just a color for code purposes) through the attic so you can pull more through later and to protect it, but depends on budget.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Definitely considered having a conduit but kept convincing myself that it’s okay to do it just in a rough manner since it’s just basically an experiment and nothing serious lol
@RACAPE
@RACAPE Год назад
I just was thinking some time ago if would be possible to use fiber instead rj45 cables and now your video was recommended to me. Definitely I will use fiber cable on my next networking setup.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Haha RU-vid can read your mind!
@ryancoxson2170
@ryancoxson2170 Год назад
Ugh, I ran ethernet through my house in the middle of summer as well. Idk why we do this to ourselves.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Haha. I know right?
@RandomTechWZ
@RandomTechWZ Год назад
Yep I came out of my attic drenched in sweat after pulling 7 lines into the attic on a July afternoon.
@stewie2070
@stewie2070 10 месяцев назад
u sound calming
@billmcalister8706
@billmcalister8706 Год назад
Glad I watched. Have never fallen through the ceiling but that is definitely a possibility. I am about to run another cat6 cable and am also in Texas. At least this week is cloudy and not 100 degrees. Am hoping to spend only a few minutes in the attic. Planning helps. Would like to do fiber but don' t have that switch, just a unifi 16 port poe. Like you said 10 gig is overkill for my network. I did just add T-Mobile home internet to my udm-pro for a failover. It looks like it is working good. Good speeds (200 mbps+)
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
For sure! The attic is an unpleasant and dangerous place. Especially in the summer in Texas! For most people 10 gig is definitely an overkill! Good luck with your CAT6 cable run!
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
It can definitely get scary! I’m actually contemplating putting some osb subfloor in certain areas of the attic to make it easier to work in.
@ironfist7789
@ironfist7789 Год назад
You could also try, if it is possible in your attic, to lay down pieces of maybe 1/2 or 3/4 inch plywood or something strong to walk on temporarily. Just don't do the thing where you step on one side of it and the other side flips up :P I don't have a 10gb fiber switch yet (just 1gb) but I'm able to network my homebuilt nas to my pc via routing rules in linux through a direct connection on the 10gb wire with separate 10g nics. If you have even more ports you can kind of turn your pc into an actual switch also though it is better to just buy a switch if you have more pcs connected. Then you can use iperf3 or something to test it.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Haha. I can totally picture that happening!
@SuperFredAZ
@SuperFredAZ Год назад
I did the same thing placing an antenna cable in my ceiling many years ago.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
It can be pretty dangerous! Hope you didn’t get hurt!
@SuperFredAZ
@SuperFredAZ Год назад
@@TechTalkwithSamir about the same as you, I didn't fall through, and that was many years ago. Nice video, I can't say I have need for 10 Gbps fiber, but I like seeing the process.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Honestly even for me it’s mostly just for the purpose of exploring and trying it out. I can’t say that I take full advantage of the 10Gbps speeds at all times. Thanks for checking out the video!
@trailheadmedia5578
@trailheadmedia5578 Год назад
Crawlspaces FTW!
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Totally agree!
@highgeared4959
@highgeared4959 Год назад
I think your fiber linking so fast after wakeup is because you have a PCIE card for the SPF+ connection, PCIE cards in some cases stay awake during sleep, so its technically always on unlike the gigabit port on the pc that falls asleep when you put the computer to sleep.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
I would think that but in my case I was using the same card for the SFP+ to RJ45 transceivers.
@gw1814
@gw1814 Год назад
I did the same thing while running wire for my UniFi6 Long Range.....
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Really unfortunate. Hope you were okay!
@hypurrfpv9483
@hypurrfpv9483 Год назад
If you have a little cordless vac, hold that up to the cut while you're cutting the drywall. I need you to come run some cable in my house but no ceiling work.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Lol you didn’t run all the cables you needed while the walls were open?
@rfitzgerald2004
@rfitzgerald2004 Год назад
Bear in mind try not to use an expensive vac that you care about, drywall dust is so fine that it often passes through the filters in an average vac and destroys the motor eventually. Just something to be aware of :) maybe keep a cheap vac just for this sort of task rather than using the wife's Dyson cordless :)
@MrRoosterx
@MrRoosterx Год назад
The cat did it for me :)
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Haha. Thanks for checking out the video!
@futurecactus
@futurecactus Год назад
Do the 1 gig SFP transceivers get hot like the 10 gig ones? I have one in transit that I'm planning on using for WAN failover so it won't be doing much work.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Thats a good question. I personally have not used one. But I think it depends on the length of your cable. The longer the cable the more current it likely has to put through the transceiver to generate a strong enough signal. I could be wrong though. Let me know how it works out.
@rfitzgerald2004
@rfitzgerald2004 Год назад
From my experience they do get pretty hot as well, I haven't personally used the 10gig ones so can't compare it, but 1gig definitely gets hot
@futurecactus
@futurecactus Год назад
Interesting, I have mine plugged into my dream machine now but I won't have anything plugged into it for a while. Can't think why they need to be hotter than an rj45 though.
@rfitzgerald2004
@rfitzgerald2004 Год назад
@@futurecactus Sorry I mean the 1gig RJ45 run hot, not the 1gig fibre ones :)
@nullinterface2077
@nullinterface2077 Год назад
If you're on some sort of PON internet (i.e. Frontier, AT&T) then it's for sure a simplex fiber
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Yup. It’s at&t.
@davereichert
@davereichert Год назад
You know, I've never taken notice of the temperature of 10GBase-T SFP's, but that's a good note. Don't the DAC cable ends get just as hot though? Aren't they essentially just the same thing, but with a cable that's permanently attached? At least that's what I always thought. I always wondered why DAC cables were so much cheaper than buying 10GBase-T modules, are they really that different in how they accomplish the task?
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
The DAC cables are much cooler. Basically negligible temperatures. I think the length of the Ethernet cable has a lot to do with the heat. It likely takes a lot of power to put the signal through a long copper cable.
@davereichert
@davereichert Год назад
@@TechTalkwithSamir I've used really long DACs before in datacenters and never took notice of the temperature, interesting 🤔
@rfitzgerald2004
@rfitzgerald2004 Год назад
I'm not sure of the full technical details but DAC benefits from some sort of more direct signalling, I think RJ45 needs additional signal conversion from the SFP port to a regular "ethernet" signal so the transceiver has additional chips and circuitry to make that happen which in such a small space creates the heat, but DAC cuts out all of that and provides a direct path. I believe DAC is beneficial over fibre in terms of latency because there's no conversion involved, but not by any noticeable amount so for normal everyday use they're both just as good. The only downsides with DAC is you're limited on the length of the cable, and also you need to ensure that the cable is compatible with the devices on both ends. Quite commonly with switches and network cards, the big manufacturers like HP, Dell, Cisco, Intel etc like to vendor-lock their equipment to only work with their own cables and transceivers which can cause issues when you need to connect equipment of different brands.
@TheRickJames
@TheRickJames Год назад
This is funny because when I had fiber internet installed the installer did the same thing at my house lol.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Haha. Hopefully there wasn’t too much damage!
@Jonathan.Boring
@Jonathan.Boring Год назад
This video was recommended after the Ludwig swat video where an officer fell through the ceiling. LOL
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Haha! Gotta love the RU-vid algorithm!
@tomwalshaw1881
@tomwalshaw1881 Год назад
My cat too regularly inspects my work.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Haha yup! Would have been very helpful if he instead helped me with running the cable rather than just inspect lol
@aklem001
@aklem001 Год назад
What do you use to connect your ( Fiber WAN ) to your UDM Pro? My ISP gave me a Nokia ONT that outputs an RJ45. I then attach that RJ45 to my UDM Pro SFP+ port via RJ45SFP+ Transceiver. I've been experimenting with different manufacturers, but I'm getting wonky results.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
My ISP also gave me a modem with built in media converter. They gave me a RJ45 output from their modem to connect to my network.
@JasonsLabVideos
@JasonsLabVideos Год назад
That's what i have, and not a single issue in 2 years. 1gig by 1gig..
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Awesome. I hope I get the same luck
@JasonsLabVideos
@JasonsLabVideos Год назад
You should !
@rfitzgerald2004
@rfitzgerald2004 Год назад
If you're on the Nokia system, if it interests you, you can get a SFP for it that works with the UDM Pro. The model number is G-010S-A. Your ISP would need to be happy to accept it though as they need to apply the configuration on their end. It's pretty simple though and uses the same configuration as the RJ45 bridge. (I work for an ISP that deploys Nokia gear so have a lot of experience with it)
@miovome
@miovome Год назад
I did the exact same thing when I moved into my new house all but i went all the way through my ceiling
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Oh yikes! Hope you didn’t get injured! It’s quite dangerous!
@GotWire
@GotWire Год назад
make sure the att fiber is not 90ed it is real easy to brake that fiber going to there jack. I work for att they should of ran a pre-made fiber in to the jack it is harder to brake and 90
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Thanks for the heads up. That strand of fiber going through the wall does concern me a bit. I did however pool up the slack to reduce the tension on it. But if it ever causes problems I’m gonna call up the ISP and mention exactly what you said. ☺️
@linus2982
@linus2982 Год назад
Nice video How will you repair your ceiling?
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Thanks for checking out the video. It’s mostly already repaired. Just used a piece of patching drywall and some furring strips. I just have to paint it and it should be all set.
@grantwilcox330
@grantwilcox330 Год назад
Careful my mother did that in her attic while growing up.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Yup definitely a dangerous thing if you’re not careful!
@acubley
@acubley Год назад
What's the horn @ 10:35 ?
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
It’s for an alarm.
@DiscountLowVoltage
@DiscountLowVoltage 3 месяца назад
I'm still surprised that LC couplers don't all use the shutter doors. Those plugs always get lost. Here's what I'm talking about. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cd9dCtb_Nf8.htmlsi=mg0LrSVXoeQ1DBtV&t=58
@acrusso1
@acrusso1 Год назад
10 gig is fine over cat5e in a house unless your runs are absolutely ridiculous sized
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
I actually tried with my existing CAT5e. It would connect but would suddenly drop link before reconnecting. Technically it worked but just wasn’t reliable in my experience.
@Notmy00000
@Notmy00000 Год назад
🙏🙏🙏🙏
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Thanks for checking out the video!
@phenry5083
@phenry5083 Год назад
ZERO need for fiber, copper would have been fine.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
Totally agree! But curiosity causes us to do unreasonable things ☺️
@0bsmith0
@0bsmith0 9 месяцев назад
It's cheaper.
@phenry5083
@phenry5083 9 месяцев назад
@@0bsmith0 not even remotely. It’s about double the cost.
@0bsmith0
@0bsmith0 9 месяцев назад
@@phenry5083RJ45 SFP+'s are expensive. I get fibre SFP+'s super cheap.
@InterMystery
@InterMystery Год назад
Clearly you didn't know now to correctly run fiber. Please never do this for anyone but yourself, the installation is a hack job.
@TechTalkwithSamir
@TechTalkwithSamir Год назад
I never intended to do it for anyone else. As I said in the video, this was just me exploring my own curiosity. But thanks for your observation and suggestion lol.
@markstanchin1692
@markstanchin1692 Год назад
Just curious how you would have ran it differently?
@trailheadmedia5578
@trailheadmedia5578 Год назад
@@markstanchin1692 there’s always a troll 🧌 in every crowd.
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