Canyon does a pretty good job with their packaging and what they provide to build it up. If you don’t have a stand the box acts as the stand to build the bike. Their little torque wrench now lives as part of my emergency bike kit in my truck. And, I agree on the tubes in the tires. Love that a 2.8 or even 3” tire fits!
They were on sale for $900 back in February. I snatched one up for my kid, it's a killer bike when paying under a grand. I already had a dropper and stuff I needed to set it up tubeless too.
Finally we get to see the Stoic! Great job Steve on the review! Just ordered my Stoic 4 (2023 version) a month ago when it was on sale for 1590$. That price is ridiculously cheap when you think for the most bikes you pay few hundreds more and get worse parts. I think only Vitus is offering better spec for the money but the geo is not that modern. So this had me having doubts about the bike being that cheap. Haven’t gor time to properly test it but i can’t wait for your review.
You’ve inspired me to purchase my first mountain bike 6 months back and I’m so excited to go out riding after typing this! You once said to go with a frame you really really want and can look forward to upgrading in the future. Great advice
I’ve had this bike for a year and it’s been everything I wanted. I did upgrade the derailleur and shifter to GX. Been waiting for this review from you and curious what your thoughts will be once you get it out on the trail. Enjoy it!
Have the storm grey cheaper version with sx but I don't upgrade till it's broken as there's absolutely nothing wrong with SX. I see and hear guys from a distance awfully shifting with their much more expensive components.😅 It hurts my ears lol. It just takes some skill to silently shift, especially while going uphil.
The NX drivetrain isn't a supply chain issue that is last year's model which by default comes with NX. The Current year model comes in silver and it also has DT swiss rims
Makes sense. I've been seeing some companies swap deore and NX on some builds. Thanks for the clarification. Interesting that canyon would send last year's model for a review. Oh well, the frame and fork are the same which is the heart and soul of a bike.
agreed about the seat tube length being a bit tall. on mine, the bike felt too tall even with the dropper all the way down. it was hard to get out of the way of that seat on descents - that was my only real complaint with the bike. also - wish i'd known that you were supposed to trim those bars! they did indeed feel ridiculously long, and i was like "this can't be right." FWIW I was very happy with Canyon's support and they are a good company to work with in general. will consider your patreon for my next purchase. good content as always.
I'm just starting out on the Roscoe 8. Been riding since April of this year and started on the Marlin 6. Haha kind of a mistake, should've went with the Roscoe at first. I feel like the fork is fine for only riding a few months. The hub sounds so good!
The roscoe 8 is banging deal! It’s lighter with lower level fork. The marzochi 2 fork can be had for $450. I think you could sell the roscoe frame faster then the canyon if you were doing a new build. Let’s see how he rates it.
@@YoungBoom3rhaha, I also started on a Marlin 6 in April and am feeling the same way about it as you. I wasn't sure whether I'd actually stick with the sport (I've started A LOT of hobbies only to lose interest after 2 weeks) so I'm trying to cut myself some slack for sticking to a tight budget while testing the waters. And I've also been looking at the Roscoe 7/8 as the next step up. Bummer this bike (the Stoic 4) only seems to be available in silver at the moment because I really like the olive green in the vid
I'm dying to hear the ride review. I'm days away from ordering a new hardtail. Right now I'm torn between the Nukeproof Scout race and the Stoic 3. This would be for Michigan trails
Like the slightly too long cables/hoses on Canyon bikes. It's allowed me to add riser bars/stems to better fit the rider, without redoing 4+ cables/hoses.
I think tubes in the tires makes sense for a company that sells direct to the general public. Not everyone has a pump for tubeless tires, or the knowhow. In fact, I suspect most customers don't. This way, you can at least get the bike built and rolling. You can take it to the LBS for tubeless options.
During the Covid days, this was the first bike I tried to buy. Not a chance! I was miraculously able to get a Ragley mmmbop for $1699. Waaaay better bike for much less money. Stoic is still a cool bike, thanks Steve.
14:50 Do note that if you size down to a small, the bike will come with, & probably only fit, 27.5 wheels/Tires and not 29ers. Which will make it handle differently, no matter the similar geometry (& no matter what Canyon says). Other manufacturers make perfectly usable 29er bikes for smaller riders with very, very similar geometry; I believe this design choice is actually a flaw in the sizing lineup of most Canyon models not just the Stoic.
I have that bike for 2 years now and it can handle more than I initially thought. I live in the Canary Islands - steep climbs and steep, rocky descends. Because of the steep climbs I searched for a capable Hardtail and I have to say that it blows me away. You almost can throw anything you want at it. It fits me perfectly- that said, I have the opposite body composition than Steve - short torso and long legs. I am super stoked for your riding opinion. 2 things I do not like: it is quiet heavy and the inner cable routing rattles… Keep up the good work!
Just bought the trek Roscoe 7 after deciding between the two. Decided that getting over the bike and test riding it first is important, so bought the trek from my local shop.
This is a bike I’ve been waiting for Steve to review. It seems to be rarely available though. Maybe it’ll be in stock more often now since the supply chain hopefully is getting better.
I am also thinking about getting it for my first bike. Would that be good option? The thing is that i just don’t like the silver color on the new model
Love the video. I have watched this one twice as I just bought a Canyon Stoic 3 a week ago. I got it on sale for $1100 + free shipping which seemed like a steal. So far I really like it and have only made a few small changes- Fooker pedals, PNW grips, a Rockbros saddle and converted it to tubeless. I wonder if Canyon watched your video as my was taped and ready to go for tubeless. Just needed some valves
Interesting walk-through. I had the Stoic on my shortlist together with the Nukeproof Scout and the NS Eccentric. Ended up buying the NS Eccentric 29 Alu frame a few weeks ago, as Canyon was not ready to sell a frame only and because the Eccentric was just too good a bargain to ignore for a brand-new frame. @hardtailparty have you ever considered reviewing the NS Eccentric, maybe both the Alu and CroMo versions back to back?
I really look forward to the trail ride. I love watching these rides. I keep learning so much. You are a really good rider. Sedona looks like a blast. And thanks to you, I think I could have so much fun riding there. Though, I would walk some of the harder parts! 😃
I ordered the stoic 4 on sale in april. I got a xxs because im a gnome😂 It got delivered with rim tape and valves. But im still running tubes for now. The dropperpost lever is my only thing i would want to change but im cheap and dont want to spend 70 euro's or more for the big brand stuff. I am massively overbiked with the stoic but i hope to make that up over the years. I do love my wheelies though.
What a great timing for this video, I have just ordered my Canyon Stoic 2 two days ago, I have been waiting for sometime now for you to make this video, I’m really looking forward to see what you think on your first ride with this bike. Great work.
Is guess I do not suffer from gear acquisition syndrome as I still enjoy my Giant hardtail from 1997 or so and ride it almost everyday. Thanks for the look at what a hardtail looks like these days.
Excited for this one.. got it last year on a 6 month waiting list.. it was a battle between the stoic and the scout but i pull the trigger on the stoic due to the color and the rear wheel clearance..
I have a Banshee Paradox V3 after Steve reviewed it. Pike Ultimate 150 mm with Honcho Teravail 2.60 both front and rear. Best mountain bike i have ever had.
I'll take my 2021 Giant Fathom over this any day. I only ride a few times before upgrading the complete group set and I couldn't imagine anything better for what I have into it.
Can't wait for the ride review. Hate that they put tubes and no tape in a tubeless ready setup. I already had extra tape and valves so made the swap on my kids Stoic 2 immediately and added a dropper. A week after I got the Stoic 2, the Stoic 4 went on sale for $1500 for a couple days. I was pissed because I would have paid $500 more for the Stoic 4. Been a great bike for my kid, been hitting trails with me, and it's been great for him so far. I use the tools that came with his bike for almost everything. I have two sets from my Canyon Grail and keep the other one in my truck just in case I need to adjust something before I ride. If it's the same saddle that's on the Stoic 2, it's complete garbage. Took that off after his first ride. Thankfully, I have tons of spare parts, but most people don't. 3.0 DHR didn't fit, I tried my wheel to test it out. 2.8 Rekon does fit.
Greeeat! I was wondering why you had not reviewed this beast yet. At least in Europe that bike is a steal. And they regularly are at a discount. And not only that, if you order it and it gets discounted or further discounted in the following days, they gave you the amount of the discount back this was my case, so direct knowledge). I think that is outstanding customer service. The bike is heavy but sturdy and strong as it should because it is meant for the rough side of things. Check the rotor size too. My only wish is half a cm longer chainstay, and 1 cm longer headtube in the XL size. That green color and the shape are beautiful. I am loving mine. Looking forward to the full review!
How often do they go on sale? I saw there had been one about a month ago and unfortunately I couldn’t buy it in time. So I was wondering how much longer I need to wait haha
When I change´t to tubeless, I didn't realist the rim strips weren't tape`t. Absolutely no problem with airloss. Still haven't change`t them at the front.
i had this for all of 2 months.. absolutely hated how overly stiff it felt. it really beat me up.. I sold it and bought a Ragley Big Al and never looked back..
I have a Stoic 2 since 2 years. Paid 799euros for it and it's my first "real" MTB. The geometry is nice but the rear end fill very stiff and the fork is quite bad. Pretty interested on full review verdict !
I ride a Santa Cruz carbon highball. It’s like a 2016 or something I love that bike. I am just going to be updating it instead of getting a new frame. I’m gonna go with a new wheel set and some new cranks and a group set.
Cool. This bike was on my list, didn't buy it though. But I'm looking forward for the ride review. Interested how its weight will affect the ride feel. Good review Steve. 👍
I'm betting they substituted out a few parts through the years due to shortages and i got unlucky to end up with one that didn't have taped rims. Probably a fluke, as it sounds like most others had tubeless ready rims.
I had a Stoic 3 in 2021. Saddle and grips are all the same on the Stoics, and they are scrap. I you want to buy a Stoic, spare some extra money, because you need to buy a new saddle and grips immediately. And pull out these super heavy Kenda tubes that Canyon puts in. Switching to Schwalbe Aerothan tubes almost saved me 500g (!) of weight. Going tubeless wasn't an option because I read a review in an online magazine once, saying that those Alexrims are not safe enough for a tubeless setup. Alexrims wheels were very solid, but heavy. The overall bike was very heavy - way more heavy than Canyon indicated on their website, so I felt a little betrayed. Dropper post broke while on my the third longer tour. It took 2 weeks since Canyon gave an initial feedback for the warranty stuff, but then they replaced the whole thing without hesitation (expect long shipping times if you are not in Germany). Overall a heavy, but solid bike. I rode it at the bike parks, too, and I always had the feeling that my riding skills were not enough to fully pushing the bike to its limit. I sold the bike last year and have a fully now, but I wish I wish I had kept it as a tour or winter bike.
Love the words in the box saying welcome to a community....and then say hello to another...the I'm broke, hungry,starving, no home, no clothes community....but hey....ya got a....nice bike. Wow.
Cool bike... I had one when canyon introcuded them. Nice looking, super stiff, a little low quality finish and inconstant geo... almost like enduro hardtail with 140 - 150mm fork but very low stack that creates issues when going DH.... and veryyyyy long reach and top tube. Canon M is others bikes L. After year on Canyon Stoic I swapped frame for Commencal Meta HT... same stiff, better quality finish and proper high stack + Commencal you can ride 27.5 , mullet or full 29. But this Stoic was cool trail hardtail for long rides... but then issue was how stiff was frame... for endure is cool to have overbuild but for long trail riding it was exhausting sometimes + saddle was extreme uncomfortable. LOL 😊 Love your channel hardtail party 🙌🏼
I was going to buy canyon but ended up with my orbea Alma M50, canyon would be my next bike choice but the orbea 8 years on has been absolutely brilliant.l
Stuff that I don’t think is mentioned is that the “bike guard” bike box (the very same box that every bike ever sold comes in) is an additional £18 on top of the shipping costs. The saddle sucks and the cable routing through the frame is pretty awful. Sharp edges to rip into cables.
Yeah I forgot it's still on qr. I wish they finally updated it like it's electric sibling Gran Canyon:ON. 2023 version got different geo than previous model.
QUESTION: Canyons Online Shop says that i need an L Frame and my Wife needs an M Frame for the Stoic. For other brands and other online shops, XL is displayed for a height of 1.88 cm and a leg length of 87.5 cm. Now im not sure if XL is to large for me and L to small. Can someone please help me?
Hello. I have just bought the stoic 4 about 2 weeks ago. I am 190cm tall and have 91cm inseam. I went with the canyon recomandation and I bought the L size. It does not feel small in terms of reach 480mm and also an effective tube length 661mm. The top tube length is 460 and my dropper is set now at around 500mm in height. Adding the crank and the length of the dropper, it fits perfect for my legs. I don't think I need it higher. The XL stoic is 505 reach, 690 effective tube length and 500 top tube. In this case I will need to set the dropper all the way inside the frame to fit my legs. For your inseam might be too tall. I will go with the L in your case.
Ok, apparently YT sorts out the in anglosaxon frivolious sounding Hardtail from the Brand Rose, called B-O-N-E-R-O, which would be worth reviewing as well. It is simply a splendid hardtail! It is now the third attempt to steer attention to this lovely alternative of the Stoic...
I actually have wondered if the tubes are installed to keep the tubeless tape compressed and help it adhere to the rim better? Assuming the rim is taped properly (clearly not in this case). After having some recent tubeless issues with stubborn carbon rims, the tube-on-tape overnight definitely helps the tape out before you put sealant in. An extra step but saves me hours of cursing leaky rims and my rim tape jobs.
Man I love this sage green color. On the site they only sell it in silver right now, any insight on if that will change or if this color is discontinued?
Seat tube slot on the side - never seen that before. They couldn't put it on the front to keep the filth out due to the ugly gusset on the over-tall tube. Nice looking bike, hope you don't snakebite! 🤞
Wait till you have to work on the head set, I have one and the headset was the first problem, after that was the welds that gave up and the frame just turned into a pile of tubes. I didn't had a lot of problems with it because I disassembled everything, the thing was bone dry. That assembled in cambodja sticker was a huge red flag, every single torque spec was far out.
I seriously considered ordering this bike as it was a great price and I loved the colour. I went with a trek roscoe 7 though as it was local. Super excited for you!! 😊
What would you say about the Grand canyon 7? I ride some trails and urban MTB. I have a small resort near me which I'd love to ride confident. Tubeless? Brakes? Suspension? I'm thinking of the S size because of the wheel size (i prefer 27 over 29)
Is nx any better these days? Have destroyed more of these than any other and now refuse to get anything less than gx derailleur because it costs more to own nx than gx. Great seeing it put together from box!
I don't think they've changed for years now. I'm curious what's causing yours to get destroyed. Impacts, or just falling apart due to shifting under load, or something else?
@@hardtailparty doubt it’s shifting under load, my slx, xt, and gx are all running fine after years with just normal maintenance and a decent number of kms on em all. If is is any load it’s no different than the others. Xt of course is way better these days at that but slx and gx not. Lbs also mentioned they have more nx and more play on them and friends have had the same. Small sample size and on past nx so not sure. Maybe one day we’ll have nx axs transmission trickle down tech.
I was in the fence ordering this a few days ago, but I didn’t like the silver paint job, so I ordered a Stoic 2 on a size smaller than my fit, just to see how it feels ridding a smaller bike.
The limited color options is, so far, the only thing I disliked about the canyon bikes I ordered. That green color doesn’t seem to be available in the 2023 Stoic 4, only the silver. I also didn’t like the red of the Stoic 3. But boy, I loved the colors on the Stoic 2. I would have ordered the white frame had it been available, but there was only one bike in stock. Still, the black Stoic 2 is pretty cool and it’s also great value.
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What about the Neuron 7?? Is that a good price/value bike?? Would you get it for a review even though it a fully...just wanna know your oppinion...cheers!!
It’s a great price but it still costs me 350 bucks to ship it to my country. That makes it a lot more expensive than the Roscoe 8. I’d be interested to hear that comparison.
@@tracymcmanus550 mines the same green frame not the silver one that is currently out. But mine came with dt swiss rims and hubs. Which I'm assuming are better.
