I Fixed my V8 Piston Engine Based on Your Suggestions and the Results are Amazing! 

What other things should we build in Scrap Mechanic?

Sup, one of the dyno creators here, about the "jamming through" the engine will actually be able to apply that torque, the reason you only see it at a low rpm is because that specific engine will only be able to apply max torque at a low rpm. You are actually partially correct with physics being jank as there is a phenomenon that will keep an engine rotating no matter how much torque you apply at a certain speed above 0 which is a function of the torque that the engine applies, we combat this by raising the target rpm automatically according to the current torque the dyno applies (that's what the red [A] symbol is for, it also turns into a blue [M] when you manually adjust). If you dont want the torque after the engine stalls and slows down to its base speed, you can increase the target speed on the dyno screen, so the dyno will instead dyno to that speed and not the base speed. Good engine btw!

There is a blueprint and part editor tool on the workshop. I really reccomend checking it out if you haven't already.

You and Hyce should start up the RO Online series again on the new map

You should make a vehicle test rig for testing under actual load. Would be able to test top speed and torque in a real scenario and you can test new gearing options.

I love these piston mechanics videos kan. So much to learn and explore. Keep up the good work❤.

I had a 1970 F100 with a 302 CI v8 back in the day. It was a 2 barrel carb from the factory. It was rated at 128 hp. You're getting into the realm of real engines.

More piston engines! I love learning about SM piston engines with you.

I love how kan kinda created the piston engine and now he is learning things from others

Congratulations! Your V8 makes more horsepower than a mark 1 VW Golf. Edit: seriously though good job! And I really enjoyed this video keep up the good work! 😁

Advance the coding wheel 36 degrees per step for all 10 steps and loop it. Put the controller on slow loop and you'll get way over 300 rpm.

Its astounding that scrap mechanic doesnt just let you turn sensors off yet, you wouldn't have to stall the timing wheel or whatever, youd ve able to just turn on or off the sensors

Oh thats so cool, and with the preset timing wheel angle you could make an artificial "up and down shift" by just having preset angles

Your videos make me wanna try piston engines on stream. Your awesome thank you for the knowledge.❤❤❤

Finally a well designed engine from kAN, I'm proud of you. Now it's time to move on to some cool stuff to try out next: Double bearing clutch: Using these you'll be able to make an engine that can run forward, reverse and stationary. This is done by having the controller set up for maximum forward and reverse, controlled by a seat. Then you power the double bearing clutch when either forward or reverse is pressed (WS-converter). WS-converter: Can be made in various ways, but one of the best is using looped, blueprint-edited fast controllers. No further spoilers. Better engines to maximize RPM: Inline and inline-like engines are fun, but they are not the best design for maximum RPM (, torque and power). Now that you've built an engine without logic gates it's time to jump into building Kein Engines, which is basically a hybrid single- and double-stroke engine (or even half- and quarter-stroke with good tuning). Feel free to ask me or, even better the original creator, Kein about them. Finally, the smaller challenge: Make this engine smaller. I know from experience that it can easily fit in a 6x5x4 area, and 5x5x4 isn't too much to ask for either. These sizes are attainable using ur current techniques, plus moving blocks in blueprints. I recommend the usage of Bingo's blocks and parts editor for this, but you can also paint the block a different color to locate it in the blueprint file. Edit: 120HP for 8 pistons is still kinda bad. 200HP is easily doable, 240 should be around optimal.

The clever solution here would be a flat-8 for packaging reasons. I've had good success with flat configurations.

I think this has become a whole new chapter on your channel :)

Once you’re happy with the design of one of these crazy engines, I would LOVE to see you test these in your survival world with Kosmo. It would be really cool to see how many veggie crates this thing could pull once it’s been optimized.

I’m extremely happy you fixed it

I'm so glad kAN finally made some pseudo-gears with controller + seat + timing plate.

You should challenge yourself to make the best piston engine possible without blueprint editing

as soon as the second chapter comes out i'm putting the engine on rails, hooking it up to a electric generator, and having a diesel-electric engine that runs for completely free

Piston school continues!

I like to use a compact version of that 90 degree drive shaft thing you made some time ago, but it doesn't allow for independent wheel spin though, but it can handle rpms quite nicely.

oh i'm gonna hvae to try that controler seat thing! probably gonna keep the logic gates though i like being able to fully turn the thing off.

I've actually made a 200hp electric car now. Two motors, so no differential. RWD. Pretty good. I really wanna see you tackle electric motors too.

you should try and stretch the pistons for more power and efficiency

man i love these videos

Id like to see how efficient you could make a survival piston engine with the knowledge youve been acquiring?

Love this content 👍🏽

another kAN video saved my day ❤

You can make boxer engine in challenge mode. No need in 90° rotation, just duplicate i4 on the other side

It's almost reaching the horsepower of those god awful V8s that some American cars had during the fuel crisis of the 70s! I know it doesn't sound impressive when you say it that way, but it is.

I want to see a Test of that Engine with the Pistons Copied to the other side

KAN! Railroads online got a new update, with a brand new map. Looks awesome. Will you do a series on it? I know gettin g hyce back on the railroads online train is gonna be hard, but no one is posting content on it rn!

i'd love to see some thruster based piston engines tbh.

Never been so early to one of your videos

Now we need that X8 engine you were talking about. A demon engine alternative.

For those wondering what that is in eagles, that’s roughly 3171.5 ft lbs. Essentially we’ve got a monster diesel.

@KAN Back when I was making a 16 legged walker in Space engineers (SE). One of the versions I made, I used pistons to change the leverage of the conrod, was really good at adjusting speed while running, you could do something similar with the timing

I think if you attach a gearbox to the Dyno you might be able to calculate the actual speed rather then the 301 max

I just like to think of the engine vibrating when you stall it as a real vehicle idling.

Hope everyone has a good day

Could you add logic the sets the timing based off rpm?

i have a idea for the speed challenge use the stabilizer to not turn at all

I wonder wether it's better to have four pairs of 90° offset pistons which fire simultaneously or eight individual 45° offset pistons which fire one at a time

You should look at the new Railroads Online Map!

Did the connection on left and right bank go to the same sensors or did i see wrong? wouldnt that mean one bank fires early and the other late? there should be a 90 degree offset, so for example 1L and 1R doesnt follows the same sensor, but they are 90 degree offset from each other so it should be 1L and 2R?`or am i completely wrong?

Kan 4 of those pistons still have the wrong timing the way there currently wired. they need to be advanced by one sensor since they're 90degree offset. the torque should go up possibly the max rpm too.

man you should try testing an I6 or V12 engine

200rpm is 2 times the speed of a ship prime mover engine, if anyone wanted to know, Now lets go for the hp and tq of a prime mover engine, lets do it. Thanks for the shows KAN.

Kan, are there any of your older videos where you give us some kind of baseline or reference and put a normal Scrap Mechanic engine hooked to a bearing and hooked it to your dyno so we can see what they output given different slider settings?

Good afternoon, I really like all your content. How about putting 8 sensors, one for each piston, so you can get the 8 strokes you need for the pistons to work individually? Sorry for the errors, I'm using Google Translate.

Maybe a flat 8 or 12 for the speed test, could make it work like the v8 but it’d be easier to build in challenge editor also be easier to see connections to make it a boxer if you wanted, could potentially even set it as a half boxerhalf conventional split. Many a great irl super cars us flats so there must be some advantage

did you replace the physics sound with bonk sfx

Heres a idea try for fun building a realistic engine not a piston engine but a realistic engine with a crank shaft piston head flywheel fuel injectors all of it and make it clear so you can see all of it may be fun to try

Maybe try different firing order? 18436572 gm. Or 13726548 ford. Piston order if different between the two for the v-8

Do you think you can make a x 16?

Do a 60 degree V8

9:45 Reverse is not as fast as forward, because the firering order is wrong, you can't change direction without some logic, because the firering order is different depending on which way the motor runs. Your pistons is offset 90 degrees, which means the firering order should be 90 degrees apart, but the way you have it setup, you are forcing one side to extend either to early or to late.

If you can't turn the shaft to get the offset, then why not the outside frame?

are the pistons sharing the crank pin?

you should start putting these things in cars

I would recomend having each piston at a 45* ofset on the crank to more evenly distribute the power, akin to a steam engine

You cna edit blueprint in challange mode by changing save file

try to put 2 piston for one cylinder (one on top of the other) to increase rpm

I wonder how your rotary engine would do with four (4) + rotors.

Now make a car with that motor in it. Then try to add t3 concrete and see how much the motor can take so you can try under real weight

You might want to hook up a electric engine to the timing wheel and the seat to have vareable timing

Man wedge gang was foiling kANs piston engines this whole time

@kANGaming i have kind of a stupid, yet interesting idea... Maybe you could make good use of that Differential in a different way... Instead of hooking up one input and two outputs, how about you reverse it by hooking up two 120HP V8s to the outputs and the dyno to the input, to increase the torque even more? If this actually works, then you could probably DESTROY almost every Piston-Engine in Scrap Mechanic in a matter of seconds... (Maybe the Torque gets doubled)

Did you know there is a new update for railroads online ? It just came out

What if u use pipes for the timing wheel

what a tool :) the engine. the engine could have two wheels as the timing wheels, simple axle bearings.

It's dust, not smoke, just so it makes more sense why it appears. Like a dust clud when something hits the ground

You can just disable the sensors using a not gate to turn off the engine

Just for the Americans watching, including myself, 4300 Nm of torque is 3171.5 ft-lbs. of torque

Wait at the start it looked like the rpm went up when you disconnected it at the start

It helps your brain not explode if you color-code the sensors to the pistons.

couldn't you put the sensors on the switch?

Mini challenge if anyone is interested. Is there a way to make a WASD converter in vanilla survival without the consumption of batteries or gas, etc. I know that all else being equal the one thing that annoys me is the fact whatever you do, you have to use a botton to go forward. Also if someone finds out how to have a variable input from a single button/switch/W from seat you get bonus points lol.

To avoid the blueprint edit make a pass through and apply a controller to the bearings. This allows you to set the shift at any angle fun fact you can also make a limited range free bearing with the same method

Whats up Kan, My name is Guys

Mechanical-Piston Engine box locomotive?

Need to look at a actual v8 engine pistons are off set could look into a firing order as well

Types of Engine: V-Engine W-Engine H-Engine U-Engine Rotary Engine X-Engine

It's not boxer xd, boxer it's only for flat engines H6 H4, thats V8 90° with 22,5° offset.

make a tank with the v8 since most tanks use that engine

You really shall try and put your V8 in a car

I watch these videos bc I love this stuff and it's super interesting to learn but I always get bummed out at the end when you don't actually apply it to a car or something. Or compare it to just a regular gas engine. Like are piston engines actually any better??? Why go through all the trouble building one if it's functionally worse?

A piston powered motorcycle.

Hey kAN not sure if u addressed this but in the last few videos some people mentioned that the Dyno has a default refresh rate of 5Hz. As a result the RPM is capped at 5Hz * 60sec = 300 RPM. This is what we see your max Speed at in most of these tests. Could you try to increase it? Would love to see the true RPM ^^ Edit: Thanks @MrScorpianwarrior i have looked into it and it seems i confused the screen refresh with scan refresh. Thanks for the input!

Is it me or does that radial engine not even work like an actual radial engine would

Double piston per piston. That will double your rpm.

Double bearings to lock the shaft

I built a really good and compact V8 engine and I will soon upload it with the name of V8PE please check it out!

i dont understand why you would want 2 pistons that are 90 degrees off from one another firing at the same time

48th

Build a actual car to go with the engine

you can use a mod piston with no strength to lock the cylinder pistons on an up/down path, then you can use thrusters for "combustion" :)