I found RNG Manipulation in Side Order. Here's how you can do it too.

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Here's a not-so-concise guide showing off how to achieve RNG manipulation in Side Order, Nintendo's definitely very random new Splatoon DLC! This requires Nintendo Switch Online in order to be able to abuse the cloud storage feature to save-state at the very beginning of a run, and now this is a legal trick to do in any Side Order speedruns. (You're welcome, community.)
If you have any questions, feel free to leave them in a comment and I'll answer them when I can!

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@MarioFRC32 7 месяцев назад

I just want a way to get 5 Brella Cooldown chips I'm desperate

@ejcrafter1313 7 месяцев назад

I feel you bro. I'm at like 10 hours of runs for that thing

@adept_cs 7 месяцев назад

damn now I feel bad for getting brella cooldown first try, but extra dodge rolls were my undoing

@MarioFRC32 7 месяцев назад

@@adept_cs i got that one first try, so don't worry we're even

@reesetit 7 месяцев назад

can't relate. I got everything first try and all the splatling chips in one go incl. a few others on the way xD

@undynesgaming9462 6 месяцев назад

Turn off all drone chips

@undynesgaming9462 6 месяцев назад

Oh thank God someone that actually calls it infinity Ball as intended design

@overthegardenwall7143 6 месяцев назад

It's an 8 ball

@Jaime-_-1234 6 месяцев назад

@@overthegardenwall7143yeah bc agent 8 is called 8

@DenialRaven 6 месяцев назад

infin-eight-y ball

@toolio5268 6 месяцев назад

@@overthegardenwall7143but the ball has an infinity symbol on it and they don’t call it an 8-ball anymore

@sofichu_gamer655 6 месяцев назад

@@toolio5268 It dosent matter we have way too many trauma with the 8 ball that its stuck on our mind, plus when you’re playing you dont think in silly drawings

@UmarPoomar 6 месяцев назад

Be careful because at 1:19 you just showed your internet settings. You can blur parts of the video in youtube studio even after you upload.

@adept_cs 6 месяцев назад

ty ty editing that now!

@kawaiidere1023 6 месяцев назад

@@adept_csyay! The blur seems to be working!

@RedBlueProductions1 6 месяцев назад

i'm not sure if that counts as rng manip, so much as a save state. very useful, but when you think RNG manip, you think of waiting for the RNG seed to hit specific values in memory, or doing specific inputs to make the RNG seed be that specific value, which would require a debugger to see, step through, and at that point you're doing TAS-only strats

@SnoFitzroy 6 месяцев назад

So what I'm picking up is that the RNG for this mode is fully deterministic! Which is very cool because the only other rogue-type game i've played is TBOI, which works the same way! Yet more familiar mechanics that make this DLC feel so cozy :3

@adept_cs 6 месяцев назад

Correct! The only random part happens when you start a run, after that it only looks random

@derpdurp9269 7 месяцев назад

Actually the best discovery ever

@CreeperMind89 7 месяцев назад

Imagine this plus TAS

@emmet042 7 месяцев назад

Do you think this might create a category split into a RNG Manip. category and a Pure RNG category?

@adept_cs 7 месяцев назад

I actually love this question because I’ve done a lot of thinking on it and realized that you actually can’t split categories as a result of this. This existing implies that any seed can be perfectly figured out through just a bit of information collection, and there would be no way of knowing if a runner leveraged such a tool.

@emmet042 6 месяцев назад

@@adept_cs Having read your reply, I now realize that my reasoning for creating two categories was flawed. Thanks for the reply!

@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 6 месяцев назад

@@adept_cs What if you required the run to start from the foyer? Would it still be possible to manipulate the seed for the next run?

@adept_cs 6 месяцев назад

@@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 It’s a good idea, but it’s not a long-term solution for categories using in-game time as the timing metric and also possibly not a solution for real-time categories as well. Because of how consistent everything is, you can solve an entire run just from the first set of levels on the first floor which creates a massive discrepancy between runs that leverage that and those that don’t.

@davidhower7095 6 месяцев назад

Do you think it’ll be possible to use this strategy to get a true 0-chip run? By getting a Vending Machine or using the Octo-Shot’s skip on every single floor.

@adept_cs 6 месяцев назад

If it is possible, it’s exceedingly unlikely. The most consecutive non-guaranteed vending machines I or anyone else I know has seen in a single run is 3, which would mean your non-vending floors are 1, 6, 12, 17, 23, and 28 for a total cost of 3200 membux to skip and I believe a total income of 2750 including the 500 at the start of the run (-450 assuming no rerolls). So under current knowledge, this means a 1-chip run is the minimum until 4 consecutive random vending machines are proven to exist.

@zandensterner3918 6 месяцев назад

I want to do a full monochrome run with eight's palette, would this strategy even work for that? So, if floor one is a red chip but floor 2 isn't, can you reroll floor 2 or will it always be the same rewards?

@Noteturtle90 6 месяцев назад

This vid should be more viewed!

@danielle_6 7 месяцев назад

We need Japanese translation

@adept_cs 7 месяцев назад

True, I’m no expert myself but maybe the auto-generated Japanese captions don’t suck for this case

@halami2149 6 месяцев назад

A few things to note that I did: When I wanted to backup my data, I didn’t have to close the game. As long as auto backup is on (I think, there might be a way to do it without auto but idk) when I put the switch to sleep mode and left it for about 15 seconds, it’s able to connect to the internet and back up. It’s safe to do this when you’re on the floor selection screen, since the game saves right before then. I’ve reloaded many times from doing a backup like that, and it always brought me right back to the floor selection screen that I was last on (not losing progress). You don’t really need to do the “save and suspend” thing. This makes backing up faster since you don’t have to close the game. Auto backup is safe to have on using the thing I mention below. When a backup has initiated, you can stop it from backing up if you put the switch to sleep, which temporarily disconnects it from the internet. But you have to be quick to take it out of the dock and turn on airplane mode or something. When you take it out of airplane mode, I’m not entirely sure what happens. For me, I left auto backup and download on, since what you can do if you want to download backed up data is leave the game open, go to the cloud backup screen, press download, it’ll close the game and then it’ll download instead of backing up. There’s a weird bug of sorts where it’ll say backing up after doing that, but when you press B to go back to the previous page, you’ll see that it says downloading

@Nightbot_yep 5 месяцев назад

I swear i got a seed where i get max quick charge on f9 and i get 3 main savers on vending machine of f11

@7_Sevyn_7 6 месяцев назад

very deserved sub, thank you!

@areyasquiddinme 6 месяцев назад

interesting find! though imo id rather just test my luck or reset floors since its quicker

@lewisspring35 3 месяца назад

Would this work on a CFW Switch with a save manager like Checkpoint?

@adept_cs 3 месяца назад

Yes! This is how I got a 1:59 with charger. Same steps except every interaction with the NSO cloud save can be replaced with the respective interaction with the save state.

@Master-of-the-sword 7 месяцев назад

Is this on inkapedia yet. Also inkapedia is splatoon wiki

@Master-of-the-sword 7 месяцев назад

Can u make a 2 vid on this in the future if u know more about the subject

@adept_cs 7 месяцев назад

If there’s information that would warrant a second part, I’ll definitely consider it. Obviously a big tbd on that because we haven’t made any meaningful strides to understanding more than we did when I recorded this.

@dynamorolleruser 6 месяцев назад

How much free time does this man have???

@adept_cs 6 месяцев назад

Not enough. I’ve been obsessed with the concept of Side Order’s handling of RNG since the first release trailer, and it helps that I naturally think of these things though.

@zandensterner3918 6 месяцев назад

I lost the record of my last two runs because I didn't save the game before trying this (I though it saved when you beat a run?) Thankfully I didn't lose anything important, but don't be like me

@kroova404 6 месяцев назад

Seeing someone use stick controls actually makes me cringe. Why, why, why…..

@adept_cs 6 месяцев назад

Because motion controls make me sick? I can’t play with them for more than a couple minutes at a time which is a very legitimate problem. I’m also a world record-level player with them, so if anything this is proof that you should be less quick to judge players for how they play the game.

@kroova404 6 месяцев назад

Your defensiveness tells me you’ve had this debate before 😅. If motion controls makes you sick, fair enough. For me it’s the opposite, I find the jerkiness disorienting. But I’ll admit I was a little quick to judge, you have my apology.

@InsectPolitician 6 месяцев назад

Yippie

@carl_lenn 7 месяцев назад

This may affect multiplayer data if you want to go back to an old run and if your data changed between them. Wouldn't it?

@adept_cs 7 месяцев назад

A lot of data is stored server-side when it comes to that. If it wasn’t, people would be able to restore from a cloud save every time they lost a battle in X rank.

@wajeehattallah8903 7 месяцев назад

SOOOOO NOT WORTH IT

@adept_cs 7 месяцев назад

If you’re not interested in speedrunning Side Order, then yes this trick largely isn’t relevant for you. You can do everything you need to complete the game without this. But where perfect play is required, perfect information is mandatory.

@DJWolfBot 6 месяцев назад

I don't personally agree with the chosen wording of calling it RNG manipulation, because it's primarily saving the seed you've obtained for the run that you can keep using over and over again instead of manipulating it in a robust manner. Regardless, it's a great video showcasing how to minimize RNG for these runs.