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i miss the old centari dupont,used to be good quality and paint a car for under 300. i painted a mustang in 94 and seen pics of it today and theres no chips,great stuff.
I bought some of that Gunk carburetor cleaner recently too. I came to the same conclusion he did. It's not no where near as strong as what it used to be. It's garbage!
I have one gallon of original aircraft stripper i am hoarding, tried the ,new stuff it sucks for anything but maybe latex paint...stupid government just wants control.
@opie 7afe >I have 18 gallons of the good stuff with the methylene chloride and methanol. It works and strip paint off great. God I miss the days of at a dealer having a 55 gallon drum of 1-1-1-Trichrolethylene for parts sprayers. Man that stuff was better than any carb spray. ASE Master Tech 1978
You should use your binks #7 as a door stop. Use a good gravity feed gun and use less paint. That will help your bottom line. You will put more paint on the job and less up the exhaust.
PS....... When my car was finished I was proud to go around to all 6 workers in the shop and hand each one a hundred dollar bill and shake each ones hands, when we were allowed to shake hands. Neal
I believe the EPA regulations have caused the manufacturing process to get very pricey. The corporations like to rip people off but they are also getting robbed with environmental regulation.
Your 100% correct. When the chemicals have to have more products removed for the epa extra refining cost go up for additional processing to remove the chemicals yet there may not be a synthetic replacement for the missing chemicals and quality goes down. It even happens with our fuels. Like when everyone started loosing fuel pumps in the 90’s on their diesel trucks and tractors because the epa mandated ultra low sulfur diesel. The sulfur acted as a lubricant for the fuel pumps and when they removed it the price of diesel went up by refineries and people started loosing fuel pumps because there was no additive to make up the loss of lubrication. It’s the same with paint. It’s all crap at a high price. I personally stopped buying automotive paint and I now use an industrial paint called pithane ultra gloss. It’s a urethane paint. It looks to me every bit as good as auto paint yet holds up 10X longer and is 90 bucks for a gallon kit. I swapped when the ppg auto paint store quoted me 600 bucks for a paint kit to paint my truck. The outboard engine on my boat is sprayed with pithane and it looks factory. It’s in some of my fishing videos. Love the channel and shout out from Aransas Pass TX to you! Take care!
For the carb cleaner I expect it is EPA regs that have watered it down. Maybe they took out trichloroethylene. It is really effective but really bad for you. And enamel paint was replaced by urethane. And CEOs now make 20 times what they did in the 70s, even though the worker beer's wages have not gone up, and in most cases the jobs gave gone to china where there is no EPA and they make $2 per hr
Yes sir , its hard to do side jobs that are not insurance related on count of the high cost of supply's, I also bought some striper an I done more scraping then stripping. Thanks for all of your helpful tips and advice, great videos man .
I paid 365 dollars for a gallon of Transtar VW ruby red. By the time I bought reducer i was over 550 not including clear coat. Then to make it worse it took three to four coats to cover and I still had some light areas.
Transtar sucks. You have to over reduce it esp if they mixed it high solids. If you didn't get coverage they may have sold it mixed as a medium solids. Which uses less toner and more of a clear binder.
My friend Pete when I hear you know that I agree with ya! But what comes to my mind is that is probably why a lot of shops do collision work so they can stick it to the insurance companies! Just my oppinion!!!
Last Summer in 2019 I found a recycling center that gives away (for absolutely free, no cost) all kinds of paint, all sizes. They buy it from the public that is trying to get rid of paint because the trash service will no longer pick it up, and then they give it away to anyone who needs it. They let me have a grocery cart full of paint, acrylic and oil, and I used it to paint the wood on the porch and the wood fence in our back yard.
I always use lacquer thinner for my paint guns and acetone for my gelcoat guns...works good and it's relatively cheap. Learned that from an old guy down the road that used to spray for a living. I don't even use carb cleaner for cleaning carbs LMAO
It seems like a lot of products are going waterborne vs solvent based to reduce VOCs. There's a huge learning curve for the people manufacturing the "New improved" product, and for the people that have to work with them everyday. It's not about changing things to make them better, it's about changing them to meet the EPA guidelines without turning them to pure crap.
I could not agree more. My daughter had a friend who was a paint chemist for PPG. It was great talking to him about the paint industry. His comment was that companies like Du Pont and PPG make the best profits ....bar none from automotive paint products. When you buy the economy lines like Omni yup they are more cost effective...sorta. If you look up what toners are in a qt of Omni and the same in DBC ....the DBD will have many more toners for a better color match. Even at that with all the variances that paint companies provide on colors you still have to blend every time. I remember the lacquer days... if we wanted the closest color match we got a factory pac can of paint. No blending back in those days.
My friend Pete great video u know its not just the chemicals their hiking up the prices and the guilty is not their look at our new cars 70% plastic and 25% metal.
Hi Pete, I get you on this. The paint stripper they went to at work before I retired was crap and you would have to coat it on the part several times to get the paint off. So many people complained about they went back to the old stuff but we had to get a certification to use it. There is guy down in Florida who mixes STP and carb cleaner together for cleaning carbs. Works great
When I went to collision repair school, we were taught to clean and dismantle gun after every use. Didnt take that long nd when products are wet still they clean easy. We just used thinner. Also we had a thinner recycler.
Almost everything is shit now, I bought name brand gas line and it started to disintegrate after a few years.. old stuff I have was 20:plus years old and still in new shape..
Many years ago I made fiberglass Autobody parts. I used methylene chloride for cleaning. Methylene chloride was outlawed for consumers. Unfortunately this was used in paint strippers, carb cleaners and other products that actually worked. I did find this is available in pvc pipe glue primer. $$$$
I know I've said this before on one of your vids, but I remember 10 years ago buying aircraft stripper paint it on and using a garden hose with a simple spray nozzle and the paint would just fall off. A few months ago I bought 3 different brands to try to strip my motorcycle down and it wouldn't even soften the clear coat, and I didn't even use an expensive 2k clear when I painted it.
When I graduated college a good starting salary was about $10K. Earl Scheib would paint any car for $29.99 "no ups, no extras!". Now they think a minimum wage should be over $30K and last I checked (10 years ago) where I used to live high end body & paint was running around $10K. Right, wrong or indifferent, it all seems relative. A guy named Tony at work when I would complain said "That's why they call it work". Hang in there Pete! Once you get settled in Moab it will all work out.
I here you man, I have a small body shop and paint/materials today are very expensive...just a 5 gal. can of lacquer thinner is 60 bucks just to clean my spray guns...!!!
I totally agree. In the late 80's early 90's a gallon kit of single stage was like $100 bucks. Could paint a whole car and some leftover. When I say car I mean like a 1970"s camaro that had lots of big body panels.
Exactly Why I do all this kind of work myself for my own cars, Pete. I also agree on the carb cleaner, as with my 1st Generation Monte Carlos, I do my own work, mechanically and cosmetically. Thus I have had to research, ask questions, and have learned the hard way first hand, of what all your elaborating on here, My Friend Pete. Damn Buddy... Sure gonna miss you and Minnie when your both in Mohab.
Plus more people are wrapping their vehicles and not painting them, so the big paint companies are charging more for there products so they can still make their big money... Stay safe... Have a great day...
That's why I got out of the business cost too much to be between the chemicals in the workman's comp and the insurance in the shop couldn't do it no more I went into another business but you were so right
Hi Pete your are on the right track a lot of cleaners today are junk they don’t clean.iam trying to restore a72 montecarlo parts and other things for this car are outrageous. I do want to thank you for the video on seam sealer that’s my next job .I have never done that before but you taught me how to do it. (RIGHT) I thank you again.👍🔧🚘
I cant believe the garbage they make now a days! Imagine how bad it would be if you lived in crapafornia like i do, I cant even get the products you can buy Pete so you have it better than I do lol keep up the great work my friend! Dont even get me started on antifreeze hahaha
I paid about $40 for Grecian gold spray paint in a spray can for my old 1968 cougar. That's supposed to be the same enamel that it had when it was new. It's a daily driver. God only knows how much it'll cost once I get it through inspection and to maaco to freshen up the paint job. Now if I can only figure out why the hazard lights work and the turn signals work.....
I agree with you, Pete. Everything is going up in every industry. I am in the HVAC industry. Parts and materials are going and the quality is going down.
Years ago suppliers could mix OEM matching paint from the paint code #, about 5 years ago I went to my local Dupont dealer paint code # in hand and they tell me they have deleted all mix codes older than 10 years and the counter guy had no idea why. The price had tripled as well.
A few years ago i was in Florida and I needed to buy a pint of paint for a side job. I used a friend's business account at Napa to get his price, and I couldn't believe the prices. For 1 PINT of cheap Shop Line brand sIngle stage paint and the reducer and hardener for it came to $145, and the guy made me pay $3 for a mixing cup because that wasn't included! He told me I was lucky to get it so cheap because the walk in price was $195! A few years before that I bought pretty much the same thing in Wisconsin for around $50! I quoted the guy $150 to paint a door and fender on his old Civic figuring I should make about $75 when it was all said and done for an afternoon job. Thankfully he was really cool and didn't expect me to deliver a show quality finish while painting it outside in his back lot. That was my last side job down there.
The invisible tax, inflation. People think it's great when the value of their house goes up in a few years and think they're making a lot of money because pay keeps increasing (for some people). When my Dad bought a house in 1968, it was 4000 sq ft on an acre of land. It cost $10K more than what he was making a year. In 1930, the average income in the US was $3K and you could buy a 3 BR 2 Bath brick house in the suburbs of Chicago for $3K. Debt caused by the Federal Reserve has created inflation so that they can pay back the lenders with devalued currency. Hard to put this in a nutshell.
You not lying.. preach... I graduated auto body school 12 years ago. Was in the business over 6 years before I even went to school. As a shade tree guess you'll say. I've noticed the same thing. Material cost goes up on your end. Then you have to charge the customer. Then you lose money and some business. Cause they'll go somewhere 6get an half ass job cheaper. Yet be satisfied with poor quality for a cheap price. EVERYONE IN THIS BUSINESS NEEDS TO WATCH THIS VIDEO.
Havent used TP for 5 yesrs now since coming back ftom Asia..I use a mini spray nozzle...best ..freshest ..cheapest wipe youll ever experience...once youve gone water nozzle theres no going back😊...top tip👍
The thing that fucked me the most was when methylene chloride paint remover was outlawed. I used it for decades. The options I'm left with now don't work as well, the products cost more, and it takes me more TIME. That's what really burns since time is the one thing you'll never get back.
The struggle is real. It's nothing to spend $1500. to $2000. in materials to paint a car. I do use only PPG top of the line. It is getting pretty crazy. The redder it gets the more $800. per gallon hits the pocket. What you were saying about colors matching. These stupid cars that have 14 different variations in the paint makes it hard to not have to blend. I do remember back in the day shooting the acrylic enamel and hardener, that would flow out and look like a piece of glass. You mentioned PPG 2020 clear. That you can't buy now. I think that is best clear I had ever used! I'm using a Binks HVLP now but use to used the old Binks #7. Excellent gun.
Hi Pete,,,,been self employed 45 yrs. body shop,,,have a really good reputation,,,now that I’m semi retired,,,,im being asked to spray cheap paints,,,tractor paint,,it sucks.
Boy do I remember back in the day when the paint was so dependable to match with out going nuts. Mercedes Benz I used to just grab of the shelf and perfect match. I was always a RM paint guy.
I 💯 agree with you , especially when you mentioned body filler! Small can of bondo was like 15 bucks I looked at upol and a whole gallon of body filler was 19 bucks I’m like wtf! I used it on a few parts I was working on it worked great 👍🏻 thanks for the video
this is exactly 1000% right .. i remember for under $100 I could get a gallon of Dupont Centari with all the fixings and back then the reduction was 50% Reducer 50% paint... today its 4parts paint 1part reducer and the reason is the paint is so dam thin.. I could and have painted many full sized cars like Cadillacs, Chevelles, and Galaxys, Trucks (5qts) with 1 gallon of paint including all the jams... I would clean my gun with Reducer it was so dam cheap to buy... now its $500 for the same amount of paint.. haven't priced any for about a year but I got 2 jobs coming up and i hope its not even more now.
When I was selling and mixing auto paint a few years back, we sold Matrix and Lusid Technologies (GenRock and GenMax). I liked the Lusid stuff better, and even more so after dealing with the Matrix reps; they were arrogant little pricks who thought their crap didn't stink, and their product was the only game in town.
I dont get that they say the product causes cancer and this and that but the new formula is safer but you are using 3x the amount so.. Isnt that just as harmful? Same like shitty paints. They don't last as long as they used to so you have to redo it faster. More materials more dust more vapors.
Its everything has gone up...raise your prices its not like you’re are the only one thats forced to do it...lumber and concrete go up I have to pass it along to the consumer, but I am blown away by automotive paint materials from what they were 5 years ago just completely stunned!
You are so right Pete. I just had my car painted with 3 coats of base, 3 coats of cearcoat. Also 3 coats of 2k primer. With all the rust repair, prep and painting. I paid 7200 complete. My buddy thought I was nuts. I resurched the cost of product and YOU ARE RIGHT FOR SURE BROTHER. With the three gallons of airplane stripper, dynaglass, primer, paint, cearcoat, wet sand paper, the total cost of products were about 3500 bucks. So that leaves 3700 bucks for all the labor, paint removal, rust repair, breaking down the car, 40 hours of sanding and buffing, removing and installing front and back glass, 10 hours wet sanding and buffing finish paint, detail completed car. I don't know how you can do it. I am proud of the work they did . I just hope more people understand how hard your job is and how honored they should be that you take such pride in your ARTISTRY. PS..... that's why it pissed me off so much she the guy gave you so much crap on the GTX and made you do things over and over again seaking perfection when they rolled off the assembly line they were nowhere near perfect. Neal
I think you should do a video of hard costs of doing a proper paint job(I had no idea). Not only would it be infomitive but it would also give people an idea how much costs involved in a proper paint job. For you, I believe you would get more appropriation and respect for the attention to detail you supply. Semper Fi. Neal
The ban on methylene chloride is the reason paint strippers and gun cleaners don't work as well as they use to. There are industrial chemical suppliers where you can still get it but it’s simply not available in consumer type stores. The best readily available gun cleaner is Naked Gun. Carb cleaner is basically useless. I find it hard to believe that they even make it anymore since I haven't even seen a carburetor since 1995. The best carb cleaner back in the day was named Tyme. It removed everything. Today you'd be better off with lacquer thinner or acetone to clean your guns. For Primers and sealers I use the 3M Accuspray plastic guns which are very easy to clean. For base I use an Iwata LS400 and for clear an Iwata WS400. Siphon guns have gone the way of the dodo bird.
I used to paint base coat clear coat,now i have to go back to enamel because painting supplys are sky high, and everyone wants a show car finish ,but wants to pay macco prices!!! , so now i only do bodywork and painting for myself!!
A common misperception. Prices aren't going up, the value of our money is going down!!! I would say thank a small hat banker but that would make me anti-youknowwhat.
Higher solids are NOT BETTER SOLIDS! Higher Solid Clears are HARD TO WORK WITH, HARD TO SPRAY, HARD TO COLORSAND AND BUFF. They don't last longer then Medium Solids, They don't have any benefit to painting a CAR OR TRUCK then a High Quality Medium Solids Clear.. HIGH SOLIDS CLEAR is only good for bumper covers and Motorcycles. Stuff you wouldn't consider on buffing, or small parts and peices.. Using a HIGH SOLIDS CLEAR OF ANY BRAND is a mistake --- IN MY OPINION!
Pete have you checked out Tamco paints? As a long time PPG user I got sick of there BULLSHIT prices. After finding Tamco I will never use ANY other brand. Their primers are fucking amazing! There clears will blow you away! Better yet the prices are fantastic! Customer service, like no other company out there. If you don't check them out your throwing your money out the window. There on the internet. Free shipping for orders over 250. I will not promote anything...... but this company is amazing!
the EPA is the reason for this. they force corp to make new stuff, that costs, new stuff sucks, epa don't care, corp still charges more, you get sucky stuff. blame the govt not the businesses under their heel.
Love this thanks I’m new to this and your videos are great, once I finish my project I want to grab a T-shirt if you have them so I can represent, great video, I just came from Sherman Williams and I was like wow
Agree with pricing going up. Understand.... All 3 major paint manufacturers price refinish sheets will come out indenticle to each other with cost of materials! Its a manufacturer collusion scam!
Try Pine Oil for your Carburetor, just got to leave it in there for half a week... I use one or two in a 5 gal bucket filled the rest of the way with water. dunno if it'll work with your paint guns. & I don't think the EPA will ban the pine trees anytime soon
I used to use paint stripper to clean my guns the other day I went to purchase some and a guart was the price of what I last payed for a gallon.there really sticking it to all of us.
Hello Pete and Minnie ! ............Do you self a favor and try yamalube by yamaha carbureter cleaner dip.It comes in a 32 oz bottle and is water dilutable concentrate. Part number on the bottle is acc-carbc-le-nr . It works amazing and would not steer you wrong. Hope all is well by you and thanks for all your videos.Cheers
Sadly my local PPG jobber will not carry the shop line products. They say we sell Omni and wont carry both. Omni plus isn't much better than the basic Omni line....about all its good for is guide coat.😒
Ya your right about what’s been going on with both the quality and the price and as far as restoration people don’t under the amount of time it takes to get the job done right depending on what your working on and the additional acquired work and or parts plus materials are through the roof so if anybody wants to have a body shop and hopefully make money they are better off staying away from restoration and stick with insurance work unless they are like I am and that’s just a hobbyist and Have enough of my own to do and tell people to go somewhere else sometimes take in a small job but that’s it but your 100% right about everything you’ve said
I bet it’s not as bad where you are as it here in California. Here i see a lot a matrix but it too expensive. Found a shop that sell a paint called automotive art. And I been buying now for 6 years
