Many thanks for sharing your experience. I got my 1000 W machine in December 2016. I have been using it daily since then *average 6 hours a day and 6 days a week* At that time our US friends did not even want to talk about Chinese machines. I m 67 now and I have some guys working for me, my work is mainly making quotations, preparing DXF file for Cypcut and managing the company. It was a very difficult experience because few information was available and the machine manufacturers did not have the culture of client support and documentation. Many videos were available here but useless since they just show a fiber laser machine cutting some metal pieces. I almost learned everything by myself and I will be glad to share my experience with any new comers to this field.
I' m a salesperson from China. Many customers only choose the lowest price, they don't care about the quality. hen there is something wrong with the product, it is said that the Chinese product is not good.
@@vivizhang6083 So far I have "finished" way too many chinese machines for my friends, having totally idiotic solutions, that I'll pass anything made in china. A friend bought an engraver, against my advice, come way more floppy than advertised and finally spent the same amount as he would on quality self made machine. Precision parts, motors, machining, are cheap these days and you KNOW what goes into the machine. Another could NOT get the seller to provide cutting head parts, instead he kept getting offers for a new machine. so had to have them made locally. This machine might be specially tuned and finished to lure people to buy. Sorry, you have built a "reputation" over the years. There might be some good, honest machine builder somewhere, that actually have some engineering knowledge, but sending this amount of money over? NEVER. When US made Lenox hole cutter cuts 170 cuts and chinese fails at first cut, when high quality 316 stainless elbow casting is just a little less magnetic than stainless, when mill divider has 20% functionality, because idiot used slide bearing instead of needle, making the head self locking and barely useful, a belt grinder where the bed, table and motor are "secured" with a SINGLE M6 bolt against turning, when a DRO on lathe starts doubling the real distance if set to show two decimal places, instead of three, when you have to drill thru the readout, because there are an M4 threads instead of holes and HOW in hell do you bolt this on lathe on a thick solid cast bed? in 4th dimension ? and and and ....I can go until morning with this....SHIT.
Wow, I'm very happy for you, Gary! Looks like a nice machine and I am SURE you will get it all figured out. Can't wait to see what you will be making with it!! Congrats!!
I came across this great video and channel as a result of a RU-vid suggestion. Hats off to you for your guts and general attitude. This stuff is not for everyone but for those with the capability who may be considering such a path yours is a very lucid description and analysis. I bought an older Syil X4 mill which I found needed some attention after I got it home. Like you I know I will get it going and I could not afford to get into this any other way. Your comments about layout, wiring, software, documentation etc of course apply to something made back then. However you are clearly showing how to turn the amazing productivity of China to your advantage with a little of your own know how and enterprise. As a result you are creating employment instead of unemployment. Kudos to you.
@@turbocobra I have got 4 axes running under Mach3 but not spindle and in the process have learned plenty about hardware and software. When I get that working a lot of finessing still required. May be a little while yet but we'll get there.
Man, this is super cool! Very interesting seeing you go thru the learning curve and evolve into the nice work it's capable of. I'm sure you'll do some awesome parts with it.
Just noticed your TruCut machine in the background. Loved those. Was our first CNC Plasma Table 9 years ago. That was a GREAT company. Sad they closed down.
I think everyone in the diy community would like you to stop calling it a diy laser cutter because you did not build it. I own a cnc plasma cutter that I assembled but I don’t call it a diy cnc
Thanks for all your videos. We bought our first CNC Fiber Laser. 3kW w. the typical China setup. Ours is the Au3Tech S2000 System/Software. Almost done finishing install and setup. (Chiller coming in a bit late). I am the kind of guy who will never give up until it works and we operated and built our own Plasma Tables. We also have a bunch of robots for which we built our own arm end tools. So, hopefully we get this going just well. We already got the laser welding down (handheld 2kW) and love it. As everything, once you learn the stuff, it seems simple. As always the devil is in the details. Wondering if you have any info on Au3tech software ect. We bought your other videos on your website and hope to extrapolate info from those to the Au3Tech software. Rather than re-inventing the wheel. Possible we will do a Au3Tech video once we have it all down and go into daily production and after we gather some real life experience. We do have experience with China Imports and I have been traveled gone there. There are some great companies to deal with and of course there are the scammers. We dealt with China over 15 years ago, and things changed dramatically. They learned a lot. The overall machine built quality on the frame is good. Its the details you have to rework a bit. Sloppy wiring, missing screws, stuff like that. Our machine came mostly fully assembled. BUT as you said, some electrical connections they forgot to tighten screws ect, so basically we reworkled and also double checked all the wiring and made our own wiring diagram. The biggest challenge are the poorly translated manuals for all the components. We had to download all the manuals from all the suppliers (cutting head, MCC, Proportional Valve ect.). Also, ours came with a Chinese Windows. We simply wiped the hard drive / popped a new harddrive (SDD) in and installed a new Windows 7 Version. Some of our videos of the robot stuff here. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1P2TqT2dVPU.html
Great video, thanks for making it! I'm looking at fiber lasers now and hope to be buying one in the next couple of months. Trying to figure out if I can live with a 1KW and trying to figure out what brand to get. Just joined your Facebook group and am wading through all the info there...looks like it'll take awhile!
Nice machine you got there. I been running laser's for years now first was a Trumpf 2500 co2 laser now a Mazak 4k fiber full automation with sheet loader and unloader. You can't beat the cut quality of a laser. I'm looking into getting a plasma table for personal use in my garage to start out with still looking for the right one. Seen your trucut G3 plasma I'm very impressed with it. Thanks for your videos and all your explanations of everything. If you have any questions with any cutting conditions in the tech table I may be able to help you out some.
@@turbocobra in one of you next videos when you are cutting can you show the parameter screen on the laser so I can see what setting are adjustable for what your currently cutting. Gas setup I would do a bank of oxygen that usually consist of 12 oxygen bottles. If cutting with nitrogen you need to make sure it produces enough gas. You will use a good bit of nitogen if cutting stainless due to the much higher gas pressure needed. You may may run into assist gas pressure issues if the liquid nitrogen don't turn into a gas fast enough. Also if ever cutting any galvanized always use nitrogen as the assist gas.
sweet! happy to cut your parts for sure, but not sure about shipping costs to canada ? email me your drawings and material requirements and i can get with you on pricing. gary@ramseycustoms.com
exhaust fan for down draft system. Thats about 4 ft of the length that could be designed different so the fan was mounted exterior to your shop for sure to save space
If I could get one a tenth of the size, or even just half, I'd be very interested indeed, but as far as I can figure, it either supersize or galvo (I think that's what it's called, i.e. non cnc), when it comes to fiber lasers. it really bugs me. Any recommendations will me much appreciated.
How feasible would it be to buy the laser source, cutting head & cooler then mount it to a plasma table? Seems like going that route you could make something similar to this for a small fraction of the cost. ...assuming you already have a plasma table that is.
yea, not really feasible, most plasma tables are built with fairly lose tolerances in mind and would never be able to produce the g-force acceleration, Z movement, and overall rapids to make a laser head work properly. Laser tables are not just a plasma table with a laser head
You say that now, but after i make 10 videos in a row of it running you will want to see something different lol... hopefully in a day or 2 there will be some videos of it running
Please be careful since this machine doesn't have an enclosure. This is a class IV laser and will cause irreversible damage to your eyes. Make sure you and anyone in your shop are wearing the correct eye protection for this wavelength.
pending on power it can cuts your finger but honestly with common sense you can avoid accidents the big machines 4-7 kw has full enclosures and table can slide in-out from work area
How do they compare to water jet? I’m in the market for upgrading the plasma, was leaning towards water jet but I wasn’t aware of fiber lasers. May join the group for more info and others take on them
Cool, come join us. Lasers are super fast and accurate in thin materials. For thicker materials water jet and HD plasma really shine. All have their pros/cons
You said in a previous video in the description click the link to where you bought it, how much you paid for it… all that stuff, where you got it, and now I am at this video and it’s not in the description . so where is the information on this laser, what is it, where do you get it, and how much did it cost…..please
Gary sounds like a it was a lot of work to get to this point. You mention the language barrier I take it there is little to no documentation like schematics and P&ID drawings? Looking forward to seeing the software and how it cuts.
Thanks Bill. Very little information. Some of the components have some info, but the overall is largely undocumented. They have provided me hand drawing/schematics of the things i have needed, and some of those are unclear, and i am not the best at figuring it out, but overall they have been super responsive and its been a fun learning process.
You can buy a 3 KW dual pallet changer machine with a dust collector, chiller 2 year unlimited hour parts.labor and travel warranty, installation, unlimited training during the warranty, life time phone support, delivered, that will cut 1" steel for well under $500. I sell them, so I know. Your friend spent too much on his machine.
Great video. I bought a couple of cnc machines in China and even more conventional machines. Never was really disappointed, but as you said if you are not (very) patient, then better don't buy this kind of machines. CHINESE always will do their best to help you, but their understanding of problems is not always same as we see it. But at the end of the day will always be OK.
Greetings, I have watched all of your videos and am currently negotiating with a few companies in China. Your videos have really helped with the process! From what I can tell, all of the machines are basically more or less the same design with minor variations. Some have extruded gantries and some (like yours) are cast...but otherwise they all seem to be the same basic design. I am interested in a Racus1500W Fiber with a Ray Tools head. We are looking at Prima, DX Tech, Oree and G-Weike. I believe I heard you mention in one of your videos that you were considering G-Weike but decided in the end that the Prima was a better fit? I am leaning toward the G-weike and was wondering what your thoughts are about G-weike (and their products) and why you ultimately decided NOT to go with the G-weike machine? Thank you again for the great videos!! Ed
Hi, I am Bridget, I work in a Chinese professional laser cutting machine manufacturer called GRS, glad to hear that you woud like to have a laser machine in the future. If you want to know more things about the laser cutter or need a laser soultion, you can contact me. I am experienced and would like to give sound advice.
I'm 99% sure the Chinese version of Windows 7 comes with the English language pack. You can search youtube for how to change windows 7 language to see which buttons to click.
@@turbocobra Should be in Control Panel - Region and Languages. Although finding that when it's in Chinese could be a challenge. The icons are probably the same though.
fiber laser is for metal cutting, low cost co2 laser is for acrylic and wood cutting, that is the best solutions for factories. Some years ago, many factories work with 3kw or 4kw co2 laser for metal cutting, but that cost too much and maintanace is expensive, so fiber laser is becoming more popular right now.
@@brand0n1620 If you only cut mild carbon steel, aluminium and stainless steel, 4kw fiber laser will be much better than your 4kw co2 lasers. You can check how much consumption for your 4kw co2 laser and how much money you need to spend for comsumable parts one year for your 4kw co2 lasers. The consumption power for 4kw fiber laser is only 37kw and consumable parts for one year is around usd1,500.
Tech tip i learned from my kid. Using your smartphone on the google search bar click the camera icon, take a picture of the chinese writing and select translate to english. Some things still won't make sense but it helps.
It seems to me like there's a market for these things in the under 20K range. Maybe even 10K. For "extreme" hobbyists. Units that don't have all the bells and whistles and are maybe half the size.
It has worked out well so far, machine runs great. I have already imported several more helping others out. There are good companies and good people to work with in china
It would be good of you to help with the process you went through, and clearly say you are on your own to learning anything that is new in this process.
This is now a business for me. I import/sell/install/support these machines. I handle all of it so you dont have it. of course I charge a markup to provide this turn/key service
We installed a similar one in our shop in September to supplement our waterjet and replace a plasma. We chose a 1.5kw machine with the raycus laser. Total cost installed (including shipping) was under $90k (after 25% tariffs! ). We run ours all day everyday without problems. We cut steel up to 3/16 inch at I think 2 meters a minute. Completely transformed our business. We run oxygen at a cost of $140 a month. No consumables other than that. One thing to ask for or make sure yours has is automatic focal point adjustment. The 1kw machines sometimes have a manual system for focusing the beam. In our opinion the incremental increase in cost to jump to a 1.5kw machine made sense for the extra speed. If you need a lot of support and handholding this is not the machine for you. But if you've been cutting on a cnc plasma or waterjet and take some time to understand how the laser is cutting you will be fine. There are enough of these machines in the states that support is reasonably okay with usa based technicians. But quite frankly other than a minor issue at startup this machine is our best purchase ever.
@@Paramvirsinghwahla I think ours is the same. They all seem to come from one factory and are then resold under different names in the USA by different companies. Ours is a Bescutter from Rose Graphics. But the name Senfeng is on the machine. The laser is Raycus. Wow...2kw! That's going to be fast!
this is out of topic but, I really don't understand that why in the u.s the inch system used. it comes to me so strange and difficult. when someone says a dimension in inch or feet, I can't even imagine that dimension without converting it to metric :)
All Chinese Fiber Lasers of similar kind seem to share the same linear bearing/rack mounting design...I think the design files get around fast in China! I'd even say that the motor/gearbox models are shared verbally or visually, which is why you will see most similar Chinese machines use Yaskawa servos ;) But, overall the process works for them and gives them a good enough profit margin to sell to US customers...not to mention, since China selectively enforces the patents (...if that), companies like Raytools (who make the fiber laser power sources) can thrive by going around major global players like IPG (which owns majority of the fiber laser patents) and offer lower pricing.
@@turbocobra Raytools is a cutting head supplier instead of a laser source manufacturer, not to mention that Raytools is a chinese own company, Mr Paul got it wrong with that
Have you heard of anyone having error 35, something like "code 35, servo amplifier pulse too high". I met a guy today with an older Chinese machine that's throwing that message, driving him crazy.
Indeed, when you choose pipes cutting attachment, you can choose manual type or pneumatic type. The working efficiency of Pneumatic type is way higher, around 20 times.
@@turbocobra You got a good deal at this price, but on-site installation&worker training should have been provided with it, maybe you should purchase it from a bigger sized manufacturer in future。
100% agree with you! The computers,TV,cars are made in China,why can't the laser cutting machines made in China? Besides,there are also many Chinese oversea salesman speak very good English even this is not their mother language. If you need support,pls kindly feel free to contact me!
$50K..........Better be a little man in the crate to help you do the wiring! ! ! ! The table looks awesome and well built. I just can't imagine why they would have you do your own plugs and wiring :(((((
I'm interested in buying a fiber Laser cutter, but I am not in favor of buying one from China because a) of all the cons you mentioned above, b) of the clumsy craftsman involved, and c) the operators manual (at instances you have to be a magician to understand what it means), and d) it is impossible to communicate in plane English. One must use signs and body language to make it thru. I own a Chinese machine and I know what I'm saying. I also have a 5 axis robotic router from the States and, I run it for 10 years now, ALMOST trouble free, and every time something comes up, there is someone at the other end who can understand of what I'm saying, and even more. But since the buying of a Laser cutter is in our plans in the near future, I'd like to see it working, I like to see the capabilities of the cutter, speed, whether an enclosure around it is provided or not, etc. Thank you for all the trouble u went in giving us details of the cutter.
Hello, My company is in talks right now about purchasing these machines from China. Could we set up a call with you to talk about your experience. The importing is a non issue for us, just the machine performance itself. Thank you.
you sure about that? My plasma table has a Powermax85 with #6 gauge 3 phase wiring, and my air compressor has 60 amp 3 phase breaker, both have to run to plasma cut parts, and neither of those will be running with the laser and it has 10 gauge wires. so it should go down
i hope you enjoy a cold shop! because your doors will be open all day long, I have been told by someone that has one, that the ventilation on those are horrible, his employees basically need to be wearing a breathing mask all day due to how bad it is when cutting
Yes sir, you are so right. I am in texas, we usually have winter days in the 50-70 degree range, so its not bad right now. i don't have an exhaust hooked up yet
@@leoxiao5228 Sure to China standards perhaps! but to North America standers! Here, we like our employees to live longer and work in a healthy environment.
You get what you pay for. It looks crusty as frig, because it is! For example those wires you pointed out. They actually go into these cable trays and not across the rhubarb like that. I bet this machine didn't cost more than $100K. Also, keep in mind that the Chinese government grant-aides these machines.
its rough around the edges. Its a badass running machine though, that was almost a year ago, and this things rips through sheets on a daily basis, more than paid for itself.
@@turbocobra you have to watch what you cut with it. Depending on it's wavelength, it's not suitable for all materials. If there's to much reflection, you could damage the beam source.
its actually missing 2 now, need to find someone with a welder or some kind of fabrication equipment to get the nuts welded back on that the casters thread into, wonder who??? lol
yea well, I am way behind on approving new requests, its huge group now and we dont let everyone in so it takes time to get through all the requests to make sure we keep out the spammer, sales people and impatient people
Hi, I am Bridget from GRS laser company, which is a professional laser manufacturer in China. Are you looking for a fiber laser cutting machine? We have laser cutters from 1-15KW and offer customization. We import machine parts from famous brand all over the world. If you are interested, feel free to contact me or my channel :D
