I'm abandoning my Cities Skylines 2 city. Here's why 

It was an absolute honor get to to work with you and a privilege to get to know you better. I share many of the sentiments shared in this video and am greatly looking forward to New New Dollarton!!

Mulligans are necessary sometimes. I'm personally looking forward to the official map editor.

I loved your CS1 builds and have to confess to not having seen much of your CS2 series as I knew it wasn't going to be the same. Your niche is detailed, custom builds and people come to your channel for that rather than what is frankly generic CS2 gameplay. I'd love to go back to CS1 for a lot more Sunset City and Oceania as they were beautiful builds that simply can't be replicated in CS2 at the moment. 💙

Don't be so hard on yourself mate, it is a great video. I particularly enjoyed how you weren't just complaining about CS2, but stayed constructive. I think I can learn a lot from your mistakes in this build, and I am looking forward to your next project!

Honestly Twodollars why don't you just stick to cs:1 modded content until cs:2 gets all it's mods and functionality. I watch your videos for realistic layouts and real world type of detail. I'd be way more excited about a new cs:1 series then the same old bland city that every other content creator is making.

No worries dude. I agree with others with more CS 1 content. We watch to see your amazing creativity and inspiration. We dont need to be CS2 only. We'd watch the hell out of your next videos

I got bored in my 3rd city. Here’s why. 1. They’re taking too long to implement the modding part. I’m very busy right now and I don’t have the luxury of time gambling with external mods. 2. All buildings looks the same. Don’t get me wrong, they all look amazing. However, what made CS1 addictive is that players see something new everyday because of the Steam Workshop. 3. How resources are handled are boring and half-assed. In Sim City 2013, you really feel the presence of the resources and their impact to the city. CS2 could’ve made it in a way that making buildings would eat up resources like wood, plastics, papers and ores. They should’ve gave us more control on the management of resources as well and the control of what to export and what to import. 4. Traffic light AI is bad. Who decided that left turn lanes and the counterflow lane can be green at the same time? 5. Land value is OP. There is a zone in my city with lots of low density office and commercial spaces which increased the land value to full dark blue. It doesn’t allow me to zone medium density apartments. It only allows Low Rent housing and the sky scrapers. Problem with low rent housing is people always abandon them due to small spaces. The skycrapee houses looks awful when overzoned. 6. Zoning squares are bonkers. CS1 did it better. 7. Gas stations are unbalanced. I have an avenue that has gas stations every block.

Please, do more Sunset City stuff! It's one of my favorite projects from you, and it was just beginning to take shape!

The maps are definitely a huge problem. All them seem to have sheer cliffs next to water. Looking forward to seeing what New New New Dollarton has.

Good to see you back and feeling well! I loved this little city and its charm (especially that railway around the hill) but I fully understand how you feel. Always do what you find most enjoyable!

Honestly all valid points and I agree with this video. Especially the natural environments being lacking. The game feels barebones right now and I hope it gets more content soon.

Sometimes, a fresh start is really what one needs. And I totally understand the roads thing. I have no doubt the new city is gonna rock 👍👍

I would love continuing your CS1 series as well as I’d love to see you start a new one! CS2 just isn’t where I’d like it to be yet and that’s okay. You’re still my favorite cities builder!

is oceania or sunset city being continued too?

Whatever you decide to do, we’re here for it. I think most of us are excited (and relieved) just to have you back and glad you and the family are doing better. I also took a break from CS2 and decided not to play again until the official editor is released. Like you, I don’t want to fight the landscape; I want to respect it as much as possible, and just found the vanilla maps weren’t working for me.

The maps are bit of bummer I agree! Especially the super tiny and sparse industrial specialisations are terrible and fertile land is the worst of it. It should be like a quarter of the map but it's just these random spots scattered around. Terrible 😢

Welcome back from holidays. I’m looking forward to your new New Dollarton build.

At a minimum, this map is a horrible choice for an introduction to CS2. It was the first map I played in CS2 and learning/dealing with the water physics was an absolute exercise in frustration.

Well done mate! We all kind of feel the same about the frustrations with the game. It was a wise decision to start over and I am 100% sure that when the map editor is released, you are going to give us some more of the amazing maps and cities that you are used to. Thanks

I now have nearly 195 in-game hours, and I could have saved half of that time if CS2 didn't have such ridiculous building restrictions. When constructing from a bird's eye view, everything looks great at first. However, when viewed from an inclined perspective, everything appears crooked, uneven, and extremely rough. I've invested so much time in creating aesthetically pleasing structures, and sometimes I just want to throw my PC out of the window because it's so frustrating. This is even though I'm already using many mods and the Dev mode. Particularly frustrating is the clipping between roads and terrain, and the necessity to almost always build 70° turns to avoid the roads clipping into each other. There's no way to create smooth and graceful turns where the curve isn't so sharp. The same issue applies to building railroads. Sometimes I wonder if the developers ever played their own game. They invested so much time during development into the smallest details, yet the basics function as if a 5-year-old were building the roads. I really wonder why they didn't adopt all the functions from the top 10 downloaded mods from CS1.

A method to elevate the sea level and prevent the coastline from being as steep as cliffs. (07:09) 1.Load existing city. >> Dev mode >> “save game”>> Exit to Main Menu. 2.Editor(Map) >> Dev mode >> “load game” 3.Water >> Border Sea water Sources >>“Height” Change the “height” value. Elevate the sea level. 4. Dev mode >> "save game" >> Exit to Main Menu. 5. Load your city >> dev mode >> "load game" The sea level will gradually rise to your specified height.

You should go back to city skylines 1 and finish Oceania

I'm a late starter for City Skylines... I only started buying and playing it midway through last year with the Steam Summer Sales (Winter for us Ozzies). I have Architectural experience, and I LOVE your realistic looking builds! I love how you study Google Earth and mimic the sprawl and thematic aesthetic of various cities by capturing the heart and soul of the CBD, the islands, the terrain, the river mouth entries, the ports and harbours, the train depots, and even the look and feel of all the buildings and classification zones! I love your analysis. I even loved your Springfield city recreation! I watched every episode! You're right how for some noobs like me, everything about City Skylines 1 is overwhelming for me, especially since I bought most of the DLC packs all together in a HUGE bundle early last year! But I have it on my computer and I occasionally play through it. I love seeing how you do things, and it also encourages me to try my own. I watch your channel, and I have also watched a lot of Biffa with his traffic solutions, and Sanctum Gamer with his realistic looking builds. Yours is a lot like Sanctum Gamer but often grounded in more logical topographic realism since you often base your cities on real ones. Sanctum Gamer is awesome but he mostly goes for what looks pretty. Biffa makes a lot of sense for traffic flow easement and traffic jam reductions but his builds (IMHO) tend to be a lot more basic and limited. Since I spent so much money on the City Skylines bundle last year, and since the first game is so perfect in its own right, I have no urgency to get City Skylines 2, at least until it gets a lot better with future add-ons like map builder and custom DLC packs. I'm going to hold-off from getting the second one, at least until it improves with time. I hope you keep making content from the first game, especially for people like that are stubborn and refuse to get the second game until it improves in time. I'll keep occasionally checking your channel to hopefully see more City Skylines ONE content :) Gus from Brisbane, Queensland.

I really appreciate your honesty and your insights into creating city builds with Cities Skylines 2 because st this point in time I still prefer Cities Skylines 1 over the new game, just because I can do things in that game that I can't with two. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us and I still looking forward for you continuing to build a new map and a new city, so please keep up the awesome work and I promise to keep coming back for more and sharing your video's with as many people as I possibly can because you definitely deserve it.

Honestly I did felt as if this version of New Dollarton wasn't exactly what I wanted to see, and I think your reasons for abandoning this version are likely why I felt that way. Can't wait to see how you build New Dollarton now with the map fully in your control!

Please go back CS1 and wait mods and assets for cs2. Then you feel beter and more creative

so glad that you will share the map with the community!

Literally spent hours editing the map before I started building. Most of the maps are way to hard to build on

I know the feeling. CS2 just isn't there. I have tried to play it a few times but it feels like a huge step backwards. It makes me sad to know that the game I won't be able to play for 2-3 years. I just can't get over the lack of variety in the assets, how HUGE everything is, the terrible base game maps. The elevation problems almost kills this game entirely.

Honestly id love a return to cs1 especially oceania

I think a fresh start is a great call! I also really miss Sunset City and other CS1 content. The highly realistic builds are what I enjoy most, and CS2 just can't offer that yet.

Not your worst video at all. Sure maybe the actions in the footage are scuffed, but getting to hear about your thoughts and plans and motivations was very entertaining, and im more excited than ever to watch you start again

I feel like CS2 is kind of a let down, so many possibilities and so many things that couldve been done different than CS1 but they didnt :( I wish they actually put some mods from CS1 into CS2

i have been struggling alot in CS:2, i have restarted maybe 20 times already and cant really get it to look like the first one, after 6-7 hours the plans are just all gone due to this and that, in the old one you could so easily just save and jump to the workshop and find what you needed and load back in and place a stadium or a shop or anything, perhaps in time this will get better but every time i start i just end up in big squares of houses, i feel it was easier before to make small towns and villages and stuff llike that... i hope your new map will sort out your issues and looking forward to see it.

I found it wild that we can drag out fams and industry, but we are currently stuck with a fucking HUGE graveyard. I'm also struggling with the only train station. I'd love a beach town small single platform train station, but I'll have to wait for that.

Nooo 😢 I loved the New York style city please oh please make another one someday

I think it's a good thing to leave behind what doesn't really work. I'm sure the new build will be great and I'm looking forward to it.

Awesome video 2dollars! Your videos have been such an inspiration. I’m sad to see the city be redone again but i share your frustration with the layout and map lol. Will this version of your map be available to download? I’d love to see if i could make it work

I agree that they missed the oppertunity to come out of the gates better then they did with Cities Skylines. The community wants to flesh out this game on every aspect and you can tell by the mods that appear on Thunderstore already. The devs should have at least had the editor and the importer ready from the get go. I do hope (and its not because i think that consoles are bad or anything) that the mods and possibilities do not suffer because they have to be available for consoles now too. At least we know eventually this game will be near up to par with CS1 in the future. I hope your next build will be your best yet. Always enjoyed your content which has enspired me too. Theres no shame in looking ahead and noticing things dont work out,its worse when you see it and ignore it. Keep going!

Yeah, doesn't look like one of your builds currently and I think getting used to what we currently haven't got for maps is a frustration that all players need to get used to ..I started afresh as soon as city planner released his map, but it's still not quite what I want so yeah makes sense to make a map in your own vision knowing not only the current limitations but your now better understanding of the new game mechanics you can work with. Looking forward to the next build and happy new year

I would love another sunset city episode, it was a great city

I support you and always look forward to what you do next. ATM, CS1 and Mass Transit is the better, and cheaper, city builder. This is a problem with Paradox's monetization policies, not CS. The same thing happened when Crusader Kings 3 came out. It takes time, and a good chunk of money, for Paradox published sequels to feel like a step up.

Love how you mentioned your cooperation with City Planner Plays, you two are so similar with your builds, yet they have such a different basis for their construction. Lets hope the new map will surpass all hope. P.S: I also hope for cooler and bigger possibilities with the new editor lol.

More Oceania videos!! 🗣️

Can’t wait see your map looking forward to it

Valid points on moving to a new one brother. So hard on yourself tho! This was not a terrible video, it was educational and thoughtful and I liked it a lot! So looking forward to the new map

I played for about 120 hrs in one of their map, and now I decided to just stop playing and wait for maybe 6 months until better terraforming tool, mod/assets are matured. I did have a good time enjoying CS2 for my first 100hrs, but the hazard is growing and thus I think I should stop it for now and keep my good impression of the game until things are more complete.

Agree with many of your points. The game is still unfinished and maps are unrealistic.

I think it's a general opinion of people want you to return to cs1

New Dollarton was an amazing city and very unique and i can't wait for the amazing builds upcoming in the future on New New Dollarton.❤ Also i love the relationship between you and other CS channels. City builders stick together

I get what you mean in this vid, and I agree that its mostly due to CS2 not having the breath of add-ons that CS1 had by the end of its development in both base game/DLC's features and mods, I also agree that with it being a Colossal Order and Paradox game they will get there, I mean I remember what CS1 was like before Park Life and then the subsequent releases was like, I'm really looking forward to see where CS2 goes and I think once were all a lot more comfortable with the new game mechanics we'll all be building far more interesting city's. I also have started and re started multiple city's so far and I'm glad your abandoning something your not happy with rather than trying to struggle threw with something that's not working for you. Love the videos and I look forward to more.

I think you're right on the money with all of your frustrations regarding this game. The cities all look the same. Some of that is asset limitations, but a lot of it is the restrictiveness of the environmental tools. I actually thought this was the biggest limitation of CS1, too - and taking a big step back is baffling to me. I really hope they have something in the pipeline for this. But I'm very much looking forward to your new map. Your a sharp eye for landscapes and it's part of what always sells your cities!

Awesome video! Me personally I would love to see you stick with Cities: Skylines 1 as for me Cities: Skylines 2 was just a massive miss unfortunately and just isn't a game I find interest in at all compared to Modded CS 1 but either way you are a ride or die creator for me and I am here to support you and your content no matter where it leads! So excited to see you back!

CS2 has such drab visual design and released with so many bugs that I just... haven't watched any of the CS2 content getting released except for that one weird circuitboard city series. It's just kind of a boring-looking game without nearly as much variety as CS1.

the things that made me quit this game for now are the vanilla maps and the zoning. it can be really rough to be creative in this game.

Welcome back buddy! Can’t wait to see the new map 😊 you could show us a black screen and I’d probably still enjoy your videos haha

In mod's EDITOR, you could change the "Height" of "Border Sea Water Sources". This can elevate the sea level, and it can prevent its coastline from being as steep as cliffs like 07:09

I hope to see the map up on the mod center to try it out myself!

Missing the oceania series😢

Wow comeing back after my like two month hiatus of not watching you and wo youve ecploded. Not litterly but in terms for sub count i rember when you had like 20k subs amd even way less than that. Concrates I look fowrd to contineing to see your growth!

Love seeing your process, including situations like this. Been out of the loop for a bit, are Sunset City and Oceania still active? Also, would you ever try your hand at Planet Coaster?

hey something i noticed in the video, when demoliting roads you only have to demolish the first and last segment on the rod then the entire road gets demolished. i think its the same for upgrding roads too.

will you continue your CSL1 series?

Restarting is the right choice. Also, I'd love for you to start playing with the Slope tool. It seems way more essential in CS2 than CS1. Glad you're back though and looking forward to seeing what you do next!

I also noted the terrain issue, even though the maps are supposed to be bigger than in cs1, which somehow they aren't (cs1 with 81 tiles maps are bigger, I think it's 14 vs 16km length each side) and for what they are trying to do with the mountains the maps are WAY too small. I also understand that it's a new game from scratch but they sell it as a full price title! There are 100% not enough assets. For many if not most buildings there is just 1 EU and 1 na asset, maybe 2 per lot size, imo that is UNEXEPTABLE

Honestly, I abandoned way too many cities in Cities Skylines

😢 I no longer feel excited for Cities Skylines 2 anymore, it's just not the same feeling I had like 9 months ago when I was a complete delusional about it, I got so much expectations, and it got shattered and all that love for city builder games became a shitshow in my head, I really thought I was in the "next generation of city building games" and as I keep waiting for GTA 6 now I might have to wait for the "real" next city builder game of this generation that is actually doing right, for now I think the best one so far is Workers and Resources Soviet Republic, it has all the things that Cities Skylines can't even imagine to have even in the alternative timelines out there... I don't know if I'm wasting my braincell to give a little bit of hope to CS2, whatever happens happens, but I don't think it's going to get better. It's like society, you can't fix it.

I miss the Miami city

I really think the default maps are really bad tbh. It's impossible with the weird connections and not knowing where resources are until later to make a city/area that builds naturally from a small town into a big city/populated area without using all the mods.

Little late not sure if you'll see this, but you don't need to delete individual roads or even highlight them all, you can highlight the first and go straight to the end. Just learned this the other day and saw you doing some singular roads one bit at a time which for me was always so mind numbing, new way has made my life a lil better

how do I use the Map Creator in Cities Skylines 2? Is this a different app? I'm sorry if the answer is obvious, I'm kind of new to the game

I thought early on in the series that it felt like you were trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, in particular with the water. So its probably for the best you're realising this now and not 6 months time. Can't wait until the next city.

you are not alone in this. i see a lot of CS1 creators struggling with CS2. Even i abandoned more cities in CS2 than in CS1 and i played CS1 for a very long time. The game is just different to play and lot of people are still adjusting towards CS2 and struggling along the way. I really enjoy your videos and you are the best CS1 youtuber for me. but recently "Infrastructurist" has been creating really amazing CS2 content. so different and natural gameplay from him compared to any other CS1 creator. and that is in my opinion because he already discovered and adjusted the new way to play this new game. You cant play CS2 like you would CS1 and many people has failed and abandoned their city because of this. i know you will nail the next city. dont let this discourage you and dont be so hard on yourself. you are not alone in this

I am probably in the minority but I loved how you worked with the existing terrain. Some of what you did with hills was stunning. I only hope that "inspired by city planner plays" doesnt equal "flatten everything and make a featureless city elevation wise". I love your builds though and am looking forward to seeing what you have designed.

Finish/work on Sunset City that you’re comfortable until CS2 is ready. I haven’t watched yet but this is what I’m guessing the video is about?

Your video is a bit Baldwin but it's not really my type but I'm glad you are back November the 4th 2023 bottom glad you're back I love your content please keep up with it does enjoy your time off but keep up with the good content😊😊

Bring back CS1 asap CS2 is just not at that level in this moment

Evolving a city as it grows thru its history will probably result in a more ad hoc layout, so I wouldn’t worry abt the roadway alignment issue. I think CS2 would be good if/when able to begin from a historical perspective at the start, rather than only a current era city trying to include its history in retrospect. However I totally get the desire for a better map and terrain, so I look fwd to the new one!

Oceania😢,

The best looking city I've seen so far in Cities: Skylines 2 so far. But you making the map the way you envisioned it is going to make the city even better I'm sure.

There is a reason why an 8 year old game (Skylines 1) has again more players than Skylines 2. The game is a barebones early acces title. Also don't you get acces to the beta map editor as a CC? Or maybe the game isn't just for you :p :p

Its a real shame how somewhat disappointing CS2 turned out to be. In terms of a short term solution i (and it would seem many others agree) would suggest putting a bit more focus on CS1, thats not to say to completely abandon CS2 or barely give it a thought, but just until this game starts to reach its potential just focus even a wee tad more on the one that lets you do what you do best - hyper detailed custom cities. Because i dont know if anyone else has this sentiment but i simply cannot get into watching really any CS2 series, as regardless of who plays it, everything just feels samey because eveyone is on the same what feels like three maps, with the same assets making at times very similar cities, which is really sad because i really would love to get into this game, however it simply is missing the main three systems that allowed cities to feel unique - props, custom assets and a map editor. Gotta say not even including one of these at launch was a bit crazy, then again the game did come in hot - feels kinda like Paradox rushed Collosal Order a bit tbh. Will at least give the restarted series a shot though and wish you the best in it ❤ P.S please more Sunset City OK bye

C:S2 is definitely a mixed bag so far, but it’s worth repeating that it’s worth remembering C:S1 didn’t even have tunnels at launch. Hopefully a little time will take this game a long way. Chalk up this first map as a learning experience - we’ll stick around!

I look forward the new map, it really worked on CPP

Re-starting to get a better map? I'm all for it. Also, I do agree that the map editor/ environmental tools are a huge missed opportunity. This is supposed to be the next-generation city-builder, yet in some ways, I would say the tools are even more limited than in CS 1. Additionally, the zoning is yet another missed opportunity. One would think, that in 2023 and forward, we should be able to take advantage of oddly shaped lots too. Yet, the zoning seems even more finicky than in the previous game. Still, I do not regret pre-ordering this game, and even though some of the excitement wore off, I continue to enjoy it. we just need much more freedom and diversity (assets, textures).

This game just wasn’t ready when they forced it out. It is a shame. Hope they can turn it around but I know many of us have lost a ton of faith in everyone involved in this release.

Cities Skylines without Mods and Assets is not very fun to play. I haven't bought Cities 2 yet, since I am afraid modding will be very restricted this time. These corporations aren't known for good decisions as of lately.

❤this. Well this city ain't going to be abandoned after u get done with it... Trust u to get the job done 👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿😊

Cs2 is lackluster at best....I'd rather watch the og game.

I see why you’re starting fresh, but I find starting a new city daunting. All that blankness makes me overthink. At least when I start building I get a flow happening and it all ends up working out.

i think you should bring back sunset city

I still play skylines 1, because the of the mods and it still plays well.. Hurry up CO, and fix CS2!

cities skylines 2 has some big shoes to fill, and its not there yet. people had been murmuring about cs2 since 2016 and it was fine. they made the mistake of announcing this game too early. they should have kept it in development for a good 1-2 more years before announcing it. 90% of us are still more than happy to play cs1. in fact, im more happy to play cs1 than 2 which i do not want to play cause it is horrible.

I see no problem with playing City Skylines 1 until dlc comes out on CS2. The hotels dlc slaps combined with metro, tram and harbors. Cs2 still needs character

They need to make the maps more flat in general. I realized this after my second big city, it just looks very ugly when you keep pushing everything to the sides.

will you ever go back to oceania and sunset city ?

Rookie, I re-start my cities probably once a week ;)

Yeah, a lot of what people are calling “missing content” is really content that we’d see in DLC. This happens with other DLC and mod-heavy games too, like The Sims franchise. Paradox is a company and they need to make money off this game. So of course a lot of the things we have right now in CS1 are future revenue streams for CS2. We’d have to pay a lot more than $40 for a game with the size and complexity of CS1 upfront. The only 2 things I really think they should’ve had on day 1, and should’ve delayed release in order to have them, are the map editor and mod support. The game really is incomplete as a base game without those.

CS 2 F*cking sucks. Let’s face it, they need to hear it too.

I am on the same boat. The map does not conform to logic and science. I am a geologist. If the map is not logical, i find it less interesting. River Delta? Wide U Shaped Valley upstream, Narrow V Shaped downstream. Doesnt make sense in the context of geomorphology Waterway pass? Mountain on the sides does not match the shape of the river. Meandering river form because of the flat terrain of a valley or the difference between lithology layers, meaning weaker layer will be eroded quicker than the harder surface, making the river go thru path of least resistance. Sunshine Peninsula? how in the hell a flat plateu forms without any sign of vulcanic or tectonic activity.