@@gehteuchnichtsan7911 I might of actually done this more then I thought, listening back to some of My stuff is definitely not 4 4. I dont really think about it I just do anything I feel like. I dont think about the chords I'm using either I just play randomly while recording and then listen back for anything that sounds good and can be expanded on. This is exactly what Elton John said He does.
To me, when a beat is in 4/4, it just feels like every bar is a sentence. With odd time signatures, it definitely feels like one long stream of "talking", as opposed to a period every 4 beats.
Try this again, but this time think about breaking up 7 into smaller parts; my favorite is 2 - 2 - 3. It will be easier to follow when you have the rhythm in your mind to begin with. Great idea to break out of what you know, it turned out great!
Love 7/8, swings great, some of my favorite breakcore/jungle tracks are almost exclusively in 7/8. artists: Venetian snares, acrnym to name a couple, use 7/8 frequently.
7/8 is usually counted in "groups" of eighth notes. 1-2-3 / 1-2 / 1-2 is very common (here's an example of a "beat" I made that switches time signatures, but starts in 7/8 counted 1-2-3 / 1-2 / 1-2 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JUjT26_oeRI.html) I would consider counting 7 quarter notes as 7/4.
Anything not 4/4 hurts my brain. Or at least when I’m producing it, that is. I was just making a song with my church band and one of the artists made a song with partial 4/4 to 2/4 and the chorus bleeds into the verse (and vice versa). I am all self taught and everything I understand is 4/4. It’s forcing me to grow. I got recommended your video in the perfect ‘timing’ 😂 great video
I'm sure 3/4 won't hurt your brain. Alot of songs are in 3/4 and it's very easy to catch on when producing it. It's basically 6 counts with the snare on the 4.
I love playing 5/4 on the guitar and beats in 5/4 are fun too… here’s me on the Drumbrute Impact the day after we got it ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lgc0hcCrvRQ.htmlsi=Ne3k7gUOezQZf2Ku
These are local ryhtms in Turkish music and being used for ages :) Gives you lots of opportunities to go around and explore. Good Content Matt congrats
@@armchairfm hey, another turkish guy here. you can check "Moğollar - 7/8 9/8 (1975)" which is a song that alternates between 7/8 and 9/8, that's a really well-known track which is used in most of the turkish movies in 70's. in case of 9/8 rythm, there are so many examples in turkish folk music because of it's danceability i guess. a great cover of the anonymous folk song "Mavi Işıklar - Çayır Çimen Geze Geze (1966)" can be a good example for it. you can look to the Anatolian Rock Revival Rroject youtube channel for deep dive. hope you like them!
I dont think you get the point of 7/8! Try listening to some other composers in 7/8. Some classical. Some new... This doesnt sound like a way to use it... try Different accents on drums completely!!!
A neat thing to keep in my kind to make rhythms sound natural is to realize that at it core all rhythms consists of 1-2, and/or 1-2-3. So 4/4 has two 1-2, 3/4 has one 1-2-3, while 6/8 either has three 1-2’s or two 1-2-3 (mostly the last one is very popular). So, 7/8 has two 1-2, and one 1-2-3. The reason you struggled while playing along, and the reason the song doesn’t sound that natural, is because you cut up a 4/4 beat, basically making it into a 1-2 and a 1, without the 2 basically. And that kinda sounds weird. If you would finger drum your own beat, you would do a natural 1-2-3 at everything would click because you expect the next beat to come. But now, it feels like the natural cadence is kind of cut off and you have to compensate with the other elements and a lot of repetition. The piano for example, doesn’t have this 1-2-3 feel that clicks to the end, marking your downbeat with a little swing beat. Basically I’d recommend you listen to some Balkan/gypsy music, there is a lot of very natural/danceable party beats; but under the hood they feature these interesting time signatures.
No doubt...once you get used to it, it's more than groovin. Btw, here is a 7/8 that i played...drums,Prophet...Rhodes. Have a listen if you have a minute. Track starts on 20:20 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-t9kpji19j-E.htmlsi=AhYx3OORieHT08jz
Im a DCI (drum corps) nerd. My home corps Phantom Regiment had a 7/4 drumline feature in their show this year. The drum major conducted it as a measure of 4 + a measure of 3 alternating.
I really like the beat and vibe, but seeing you throw surgical EQs and compression on the piano threw me off lol. I’d totally save it for later, the piano already has great dynamics tbh.
All artists, please take notes and start mixing things up. Now that there's more people making recorded music than ever, things are really really starting to get stale. Challenge yourself
This is amazing. Honestly I was getting tired of making music these days since all my beats end up sounding the same, but I realized that I can spice things up by changing time signature or even tempo in the middle of a track. It's like I'm learning to make music all over again and it feels great!
I love 7/8 as well. I have a super simple drum machine (volca beats) that has a nice “last step” function that lets you easily create odd meter time signatures. It’s so fun to discover grooves in irregular time signatures. I love syncopating rhythms right before the 1 to funk things up even further. I have some lofi vids on my page! A number of them are in 7/8!
Love the 7/8, mainly because of turkish art and folk music. 9/8 is another good one! That said, for newcomers, 3/4 may be more familiar to play and listen to. It's not as radical as 7/8, but not as overused as 4/4.
What is a good way to get into learning to play the keys? I'm not super brand new, but I want to learn how to play scales. Is it as simple as just practicing different scales day-by-day, or is there a more efficient way that you would recommend?
Hey, great question! Scales are cool and helpful but I’d suggest also learning tunes. When you learn tunes you learn new chord voicings, theory, melodies and you develop your ears too! Pick a tune you love, learn the chords, play the chords and melody and maybe try improvising too! It’s a journey for sure 🙏🏼
The key is to sit and just listen to your groove until it's internalized. Beatbox along and try accenting different beats and playing with syncopation to feel out the possibilities. Do this before you ever play a note. Just a tip from a guy who loves writing in odd time and has had bands with literally dozens of time signature changes in a single song.
Haha great tip, thanks 🙏🏼 by the end of the session I was way more comfortable. Also been transcribing Robert Glasper’s version of Beatrice which is in 7/8. Always learning ☺️
I'm very familiar with 8/8 but 7/8 is a complicated....might needs some triplets or 32nd and 64th notes to balance the measures out for consistancy and flow.
I made beats for a solid 10 years and I sometimes miss it. The business killed my enthusiasm almost completely when I was starting to work with bigger artist. I made many mistakes along the way but this makes me want to compose again. Thanks for sharing.
If you do that eq stuff with "finding resonance" (or disonance in your case) like this you must be sure that you know how that affect your phase. If you dont want to read about linear phase or phase stuff in general - just dont use agressive cuts like the one you used to "find resonance"
Finish It!!😉 Beautiful bars Matt - love your vulnerable and adventurous spirit in this vid. Thanks for sharing - it is super refreshing to see the subtleties in a similar workflow. We have a couple of "odd" meters in the "maybe" folder and cant wait to polish something off with the right touch. You've got it already. 🎄❤🔥
it helps to split the beat rather than counting it all. For example 7/8 is much easier to follow counting 4 and then 3...so 1,2,3,4-1,2,3,...or 1,2,3,-1,2,3,4....and chord, melody based on these split patterns. Can even go 1,2-1,2,3-1,2.... fun times...
Nowadays, i dont use 4/4. My most recent "Galacidalacidesoxyribonucleicacidalilove" is on a steady 7/4. with stacked 7/8. Female voice is often in 7/16. Theme of "7" is also present in the form of "7 limit just intonation" chords at the end of the tune. Have fun Maestro.!!!
I love to play 6/8 in my beats ,so fun. But i really wanna try 7/8 or 5/4 which is really cool to me too Also i think its better to count it like 123 1234 or 1234 123 makes it easier
I write a lot of music in 7/8 but yours is so different, so groovy and wonky, probably because of that skipped beat rather than leaning into the 7/8-groove. It would be cool to hear at least one instrument accent the 7/8 though, like the bass line or a shaker or something. Imagine a Pino bass line accenting the 2+2+3 over this or something like that. Or hand claps accenting 7/4(!), sort of half tempo against this groove. Anyway, really nice work and super inspiring! I’ll do my best to try to make something similar.♥️
7/8 is a sick time signature but 5/4 is my favourtie one because it just sounds natural! in a bar of 5/4 - 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + however you can count just *_1_* + 2 *_+_* 3 + *_4_* + *_5_* + (thats the mission impossible rhythm lol) and it sound natural but it has a *vibe* it sounds like it speeds up and slows down on different parts of the bar
I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. You chopped the last beat off of two measures of 4/4, but it really doesn't work. 7/8 is best when its treated as a group of 4 and 3, and the 4/4 beat you've chosen just doesn't work well without the last beat which is why the One always feels jarring. You can tell by the way you're calling out the One kind of suddenly, it's even jarring to you. Take for example--the mission impossible theme. Its not 7/8 but 5/4, though the concept is the same. It works because its treated as 3 and 2 which is what you need to do for more success with odd time signatures. I think it sounds okay, but I wouldn't call this one a success, at least to my ear. I still like your content! No hate
Congratulations. Just play the drums for a year and you will se how there arenibfinite rhytmus and dynamics in 4/4. (to be clear, triplets and groups of three packend into a 4/4 grid are still considered 4/4 in Musik theory)
Nice to hear neo soul in 7/8! 👍I think the reason this sounds a bit stiff and limping, at least at first, is because your drums divides the bar in 4 + 3, but but your main rhodes/piano rythm divides it in 3 + 4, so there's a bit fighting going on on where to divide it. Maybe it would help to cut the drums to have the 3 beat part first. Or maybe you did try that off cam already.
Observation: A repeated ordinary (e.g. major or minor) scale of eight notes up and down, with the downbeat on the tonic and octave, such as many musicians will use to practice and warm up, *calls for* a 7/8 rhythm (unless you want to hold one of the notes more than one beat)
As an engineer, I say please dont sweep to find “bad” frequencies. Instead, if you cant hear the frequency using your ears, dont do anything. If you really want to take out some frequencies you dont like, use the notch filter to eliminate frequencies; sweep until it makes it sounds better. I hope it makes sense because my explanation skill is bad.
Donno how to explain you but, 7/8 is not meant to think 4/4 and subtract somethings or, stop at 7th beath and get a result. 7/8 songs , tracks have their own nature. Has to be some stop and accent on 7th or before. So here is an example : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4Iv_nRUu1I0.htmlsi=XEWypDVDa6j5Ttzt Or listen the drummer here from 0:57 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-H0JZ4nSxBQw.htmlsi=P5BOfznRel2PsCvq
Nice attempt, I love the vibe, but I find most non 4/4 music really difficult to follow to be honest. It would have been great if you could compare this beat with a 4/4 version of it to get a feeling of how much they differ.
IMO searching for resonant frequencies like in 3:28 is finding problems that don't exist and thin out your sound. if I can't hear a resonant frequency it's not a problem (most of the time)
7/8 is my all time favorite; nice that u demo this in modern music composing format - hopefully it catches on...check out John Mclaughlin & Mahavishnu Orchestra from 1973 to today (2023) for odd timings done so well
Interesting that certain folk traditions in certain cultures use 7 a lot. Bulgarian and Macedonian folk music are really 7 heavy and I love the feel of it.
I love the tension and release feeling of a 7/8 and odd meters overall, if the track is based on a melody and feeling nothing sounds odd and complicated. An easy way to count is in 2's and 3's (12 12 123 or 123 12 12 or 12 123 12 etc) , you make combinations of them and can count 5's 7's 9's 11's etc. After experimenting with other odd meters (cause I love the way it worked on this track), listen to music from Greece, Turkey and Balkan area countries, traditional music from those areas is often at odd time signatures but it is easy to listen , based on a recognizable melody and made for dance etc. I like prog and fusion jazz etc but traditional ''folk'' ethnic music of those areas has a ''pop'' mentality to be enjoyed from masses at their shared good time
Great work man - subscribed! For the MIDI kick, you can also try a ghost sidechain where the MIDI track for the kick is muted, but bussed to the channel that you want sidechained. The MIDI signal triggers the compressor without playing any audio. Might simplify that mixing piece when layering kicks. Anyways, excited to hear more!
ive listened to so much stuff in 7/4 and 7/8 that it almost sounds more natural than 4/4 at points, has a very unique tension and release to it that you just cant get get in 4
First time watching one of your vids. Awesome work, very professional but also simple enough to engage a broad audience. Definitely a new sub here. Great inspiration.
