he said:" to bare fruit from art you have to deal with the elemets instead of paint after colors. to deal with the elements you have to srep over the line of stunning bliss."
@@kikijewell2967 there are 5 "dunes", the book series, the movie, the mini series, the new coming movie, and this, which is the failed project that never came to pass. dont confuse "the movie"(made by david lynch) with the documentary of this guy's failed attempt.
@@evertonporter7887 some people consider the original trilogy to be sort of Dune lite. Many of the elements are there but thoroughly watered down for mass consumption. Which makes me wonder how watered down the new movie will have be to appeal to a broad audience.
He also wrote a comic called The Incal with many of the concepts and ideas from his version of Dune, and is regarded as one of the best comics of all time, at least from what I've read
@@charlespuruncajas9663 To be honest, the whole Salvador Dali scene would have been utterly bonkers in all the best ways. Intersected dolphins and burning giraffes!
I'm 58 years old so I was a little kid when Frank Herbert published the first Dune novel and I didn't read it till the 1980's. I'm thrilled that a younger person like you is so into it and I always look forward to your videos especially your updates on the new film adaptation that's supposed to come out later this year.
When I first saw the trailer for Denis' Dune I was inspired to read the book before the movie came out, im only 25 and yet I relate so much to these characters, specifically Alia and I love the lessons and messages in each chapter. The politics in Dune aren't far from modern politics and the parallels are really well thought out. Dune may have its years on the shelf, but it won't be forgotten anytime soon
2 things essential to understand: Jodorowsky is a Surrealist artist in the most formal, Academic, and historical sense of the word. Also, David Lynch more-or-less inherited a truncated version of Jodorowsky's production from the De Laurentis' production company which is why Lynch's Dune had such a strange patina.
@@FenrirFire18 I've only read the Metabarons series and only from there i can already tell Jodorowsky's very talented. His latest Metabaron tales (of the last Metabaron) are incredible and heartbreaking at the same time. I can't believe he did this when he was almost pushing 90.
Kinda curious how both Jodo and Lynch casted a rock star for the role of Feyd (Mick Jagger/Sting) and also a famous band make the original soundtrack (Pink Floyd/Toto)
As a movie fan, I feel we missed something huge. Jodorowsy is beyond a doubt a genius and anything he touches is stunning and worth our attention. As a dune fan... we absolutely dodged a massive bullet.
Dune fans didn't dodge a bullet , they dodge a "Nuclear bomb" , the visual in the 1970s 🤢 would had looked like the 60s Adam West Batman series.. but way more campy ,trippy and perverted..
I feel like Jodorowsky loved the feelings and ideas in Dune, but not the actual content. He felt that it should be a lot more mystical and surreal, akin to a film like Pan's Labyrinth. Something extremely strange but still relatable. Im glad it didnt get made, but im also sad that he never say his vision realised. The small amount of storyboards and art we've seen makes it seem like an intense passion project that would have been EXTREMELY decisive.
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
You should have been able to use the clips, as your work is obviously educational and transformative. Back before it was enacted, we campaigned against it saying it would be abused, and sadly it has. I must say that your analysis and criticism of SF&F has been some of the best I have seen outside of publications like the Science Fiction Research Association Review, or some of the real literary Science Fiction fanzines back in the day.
As long as the filmmaker changing book elements in an effort to make the story better, I don't see an issue with departing from the book. The much lauded Blade Runner, is really really different from Do Androids Dream Electric Sheep. And "The Shining" film is much more frightening than the novel.
I say this about Jodo’s Dune: whenever I feel down, I’ll watch this documentary. Because in the end, Jodo’s Dune isn’t about DUNE but about a man who wanted to tell a story. You can argue about the story’s quality but there is no denying the effort he put into seeing to fruition.
I believe the story of the production mimics the story within the movie itself. As Paul dies, his essence gets in everyone else. As Jodorowsky's Dune died, many of its elements got into other works: The Incal, The Metabarons, Alien, Star Wars, and many others.
The greatest movies in history are mostly driven by a mad director who is intensely visionary and uncompromising fearlessness ... The Godfather was made at the risk of angering the mafia crime families of its time, The Exorcist's director wanted so badly to achieve the most authentic reactions from his actors that he fired hand guns without warning to get their shocked expressions, Blade Runner's Ridley Scott had to battle his financiers and crew members who did not understand the movie he was trying to make ... etc Jodorowsky's Dune could have been the greatest or the worst sci fi movie ever made but he clearly had the passion required to make such an audacious attempt at movie history ...
"I don't know whether I necessarily agree with Jodorowsky's metaphor." Damn Quinn, you are the last restrained gentleman on this planet for being so gracious in your response to this rather extreme statement of his.
The metaphor is that a woman has a fertility potential which can't be realized if she's just treated like her father would. Just ignore the silly psychoanalytic wording.
As much as I love Paul Atreides character, I'm glad he's fictional. He is amazing but dangerous, he means well but he inspires a jihad... I think Villeneuve's Dune won't shy away from that.
@@te9591 The Fremen do live on a desert planet, founded by zen-sunni refugees. While in 10,000 years I'm not sure humans will still five fingers & toes and only 2 eyes...but a desert culture may still adjust to long lived survival practices. Besides, the first war, the Butlerian Jihad a.k.a. The Great Revolt was against the robots and their masters, the Thinking Machines.
@@te9591 Yes, I belie so, Frank Herbert did evolve religions, such as the Orange-Catholic Bible. Think you of the fact that a deaf person cannot hear. Then, what deafness may we not all possess? What senses do we lack that we cannot see and cannot hear another world all around us? ~ passage from The Orange Catholic Bible - FRANK HERBERT, the Dune saga
@@gamhacked that’s an archaic interpretation of the word- these days the second meaning of it “to fill with intense delight or enrapture” is just as common. Which I guess prompts its own thesis on how prevalent rape culture is... damn
I really hope it got made , because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
I love that Jodorowsky's Dune exists in our imaginations as an alternate timeline/could-have-been. From a purely visual/design standpoint it would have been wild to see this movie, but yeah it wouldn't have been FH's Dune. But I'm still glad all that design work got done? And all the movies that indirectly benefited from that work, especially Alien!
After growing up fascinated with Jodo's aborted Dune film and searching for all the concept art I could find online, and after finally watching the documentary and getting a strong sense of what the movie would have been, I completely share your opinion. The movie when been a Heaven's Gate level debacle that would have poisoned the waters in such a way that no big budget scifi film would have been made in the years after it bombed. I remember in the doc, they were shopping Dune around to different studios and presented it to Alan Ladd Jr., the head of Fox at the time, who would greenlight Star Wars (which was an unlikely darkhorse hit), Alien and Blade Runner. Ladd obviously loved science fiction and was the only executive who would have been remotely interested in making Jodo's film, but balked at the potential runtime based on the script. Jodorowsky flew into a fit and declared that he would have final cut on Dune and the movie would be eight hours long he wanted it to be. Jodo's ego was so huge he sunk his own film rather than, for one second, listen to reason. No wonder he made Paul a Christ figure.
@@forrestpenrod2294 I think I'll raise them to the same standard of filmmaking that he delivered with blade runner, arrival, sicaro, enemy, prisoners, incendies, polytechnique, maelsteom... I'm just going based off track record
Villeneuve is seriously one of the very best filmmakers working today, and his filmography is immaculate. After seeing what he did with Blade Runner, I have a lot of confidence in him. But if he ultimately can't do it, then this may be a bold claim, it may be impossible.
You're right, Jodorowski's Dune wasn't Dune, and might have been a hot mess. That being said, Both L' Incal and The Metabarons were awe inspiring books.
I think that Jodorowski's Dune would have been a mess. At 5:00, "I think that what he really wanted to do was recreate Dune in his own image. He re-imagined the story and refused to be restrained by what was actually in the book." This sounds exactly like what Kathleen Kennedy, J.J. Abrams, and Rian Johnson did to Star Wars. Re-making the original stories in their own image.
@Erik van der Muelen There is a major difference. The Star Wars sequels were meant to be you know SEQUELS so by that rule they should tell new stories and be consistent with what came before but instead they re hashed the original trilogy's story, destroyed the characters of Luke, Han and Leia, brought in new awful characters and making the force look like a joke. Jodorowsky's Dune is a adaptation of the original book. It might not have been faithful but it sounds like it might have been a great sci fi story in its own right. The only major problems is that the film would have been impossible to make and we wouldn't have a lot of the great sci movies like Alien, Blade Runner and The Matrix if it was made.
Thanks, I had no idea Jodsky wanted to deviate so much from the novel. I'm glad this movie wasn't made either, because if it where there would've been no Lynch movie, which I enjoying watching and got me interested in DUNE in the first place.
The shining is a terrible adaptation but a great movie. This dune film would have been the same. It would have been a crazy epic project jo doubt amazing but he didnt care about the book so it wouldnt have been dune
I've been reading Jodorowsky's Metabarons (for the second time), and was amazed of how much Dune inspiration he took, there's even a sisterhood of powerful witches, with one of them betraying the sisterhood for love
I can only imagine Giger's aesthetic if this movie was ever made. I did saw a few concepts. One can only hope that the new Dune will be better than the first adaptation.
I am EXTREMELY glad it didn't get made. It honestly seems like it would have been Dune only in name. It would be almost nothing like Dune. When people want to change something THAT much, they really should just make an original IP.
Almost like the failed movie became the real-world version of the transformed Arrakis which went through the universe changing all the other planets as well. Very meta.
Honestly I would have loved to see the jodorowsky version just to see how bizarre and insane his version could’ve been. But I agree it wouldn’t have been dune per se, in the same way Lynch’s dune isn’t really dune but is weird and wonderful as it’s own piece of art. I’m a HUGE dune fan but I love seeing others interpretations. After seeing holy mountain I could only imagine what he would’ve done with it. However I agree with you in that it’s probably better it wasn’t made for many reasons and the inspirational artists involved did go on to create sci-fi as we know it nowadays.
When I watched the documentary a few years ago I kind of said a similar thing about the visuals; It's easy to pump stuff like this up in our imagination and visualize epic sequences, but this was the pre-Star Wars, static blue screen / matte painting era of optical special effects, and I suspect it would have looked a lot more lame than we've convinced ourselves it would have. I like Denis Villeneuve a lot and recognize he has a great eye for sci fi, so I have high expectations that his will be the "definitive" Dune movie.
Contrary to the tone and plot, sure. But contrary to the spirit? Jodorowsky's ending would have concluded that Paul as an individual leader can't be the Messiah, that mankind collectivly must be it's own Messiah. This is perfectly in line with the point Herbert was trying to make and relativly close in purpose to the democracy ending he had planned for Dune7.
So? Because of that it shouldn’t have been made? Why do you even need to have a movie exactly like the book? Juts read the book and be done with it! If you’re not making a unique film, why make it? This is pure fanboyisim.
@@pablovi77 I get the appeal of seeing your favorite book on the screen but the simple fact is it's never going to be the same. Film and literature are two vastly different artforms with vastly different strengths and weaknesses. Some come close but even the closest adaption which wants to also be a great film will deviate in order to be cinematic. It's pointless to ask for a perfect adaptation because then the film just becomes derivative of it's source material, the director has to put their artistic spin on it whether that's a massive change or not as long as it stays true to the core of the book it's fine. If the studio wanted a recreation of the book then they only have themselves to blame for hiring someone who has such an obvious artistic vision as Jodorowsky.
Daniel Young I don’t, but that’s the thing, it’s going to be something different and a different experience, two completely different art forms as you say.
Yeah apparently everyone wants to see thousands of extras taking a shit on screen at once. I'm not being metaphorical or anything, that was on the script
@@leonardotavaresdardenne9955 Bro that would be fucking hilarious, but yeah I'm glad it wasn't made. Jodorowsky could have just made his own film inspired by Dune while not calling it Dune. I don't get why filmmakers see a very popular book and completely change it for the big screen because they have their own dream film they want to make. People want to see what they read, at very least thematically, visuals to an extent can be expressed with liberty. Thats why the movie is being made in the first place so people can see the book they read on the big screen, not to see some random story by some filmmaker who is, to quote Jodorowsky, "raping" the author the people love. To me, it seems like filmmakers are just piggybacking off of the author's recognition and success, and exploiting it to make their own film with the potential to taint the broader public's perception about the author, their book and its themes. This seems to happen a lot with book movies though there are notable exceptions, so its a mixed bag.
I mean I wish it was so that Giger’s designs could’ve been realized. Even the furniture he made for it looked cool. Love David Lynch but he was a dick when he turned down Giger for “stealing his ideas”.
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
I felt like Jodorowsky's Dune should be adapted into an animated series for HBO. Still though, there was so much emphasis and terrific aspects that can be explored today.
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
Hey man I just want you to know that I really enjoy your videos and I appreciate your channel very much. Your content is always excellent. Thoughtful and informative. I am about as big a dune fan as exists on planet earth, so it’s good to know that there’s other people out there in the world who have thought about these books for many years in many ways. Thank you again!
I would have really liked to see Jodorowsky's Dune, it wouldn't have been the real Dune, but we never have, and probably never will have the real Dune on film. Jodorowsky had some really interesting ideas, and has done great work elsewhere. I totally understand the "I'm Glad Jodorowsky's Dune Never Got Made " position though.
I'll admit that you can't really tell the whole story of Dune without eventually getting around to a God Emperor adaptation, and that's something that we might never see. But Dune? Just plain ol' Dune? It's got a fairly common story structure and relatable characters. You can make a decent Dune movie with a good director and a good cast and a respectable budget, and the Denis Villeneuve adaptation has all that. We'd have seen a good Dune movie decades ago if Jodorowski and Lynch weren't both ridiculous egomaniac auteur weirdos (and I say that as a fan of both of them).
Not sure it could actually be made anymore, the cultural climate and many other things have shifted greatly from that place in history. Something that could have been very impactful at that time would probalby not resonate in the intended way with contemporary audiences. One of the reasons I really look forward to the new Dune mvie, Villeneuve is a child of contemporary culture, for good and bad. What he creates will hopefully speak to our modern tastes, also for good and bad.
This is always the issue with lost/scrapped media. Having ideas is one thing, and as cool and amazing as the ideas, the final product likely would've been lacking as the ideas would need to be refined to be created
I think Jodo's version looked to be sensational. You only have to look at Flash Gordon to see that this kind of visual style can be incredibly striking and beautiful when handled properly.
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they movies within the genre
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
Having seen and loved several of Jodorowky's movies and this documentary it wouldn't have had any semblance of Frank Herbert's book that I love. And yet.... I would have liked to see it. Jodorowsky's style is so insanely out there, it would have been spectacular at least.
and to this day hippies sing songs about the great acid blackout of 1975 when all the acid in the world was going over the tongues and eyes of Mr Jodo, Mr Moebius, Me Chris Foss, O’Bannon, Mick Jagger, Udo Kier, the group Pink Floyd, Salvador Dali. Man- they did have the resources to get all the acid in the world
As a fan of Moebius& Jodorowsky’s Dune documentary. The heavy occultism is undeniable to me& I struggle to justify keeping my inspired art collection yet feel inspired to do my own thing with their level of dedication.
@@TheHarkonnenScum Oh, thanks for the clarification. I never knew Pink Floyd were involved in it too. It would have been even more awesome! But what about the other houses and factions?
A movie about a messiah who gives his life to inspire an entire galaxy is never made but still inspires generations of filmmakers? Man, talk about meta.
When you make any adaptation it will be different. It is essentially re-writing a story completely. The majority of the time by a completely different author. Even if Herbert had written Dune a second time it would have differed, to add a second creative mind such as Jodorowsky will take it in a different direction. That is no bad thing.
I'm glad Jodorowsky's Dune never got made too. Because we ended up with " The Metabarons " one of the best Sci-fi universes ever conceived, it's worth checking out for the art alone. The Sci-Fi Channels Dune mini series' (Dune & Children of Dune ) are why I'm here...the 1984 Dune confused and creeped me out as a kid one too many times.
There are still a lot of unexplored potentials in French comics waiting to be made into the most astounding sci fi movie of the future ... aside from Blade Runner (which borrowed the looks of The Incal comics), as you mentioned there is The Metabarons ... there's also the weird and crazy worlds of Druillet's Lone Sloane and Moebiu's Edena/Arzak ... hopefully the right director will make these movies in the future ...
@@thelemonddropskid5445 I love Valerian & Laureline, when I first heard about the movie, but it wasn't released I found French-Japanese anime Time Jam: Valerian & Laureline and fell in love with the universe of Pierre Christin and Jean-Claude Mézières. I enjoyed the crazy fun of Fith Element, but Luc Besson...or the studios did not do justice to Valerian or to Laureline
@@spacedinosaur8733 My guess is that the financiers forced Luc to cast bankable young stars. Because I like the movie, but the actors for the main characters feel way too young and immature.
@@YouHaventSeenMeRight It has several scenes straight out the comic, and was visually very stunning, but as you say, the leads felt young/immature & I didn't get any feeling of chemistry between Valerian & Laureline. I really felt like it hurt the American audience who probably has never read the comic not to introduce the history of Laureline and her relationship to Valerian in any real context (shes a sergeant & he's a lieutenant?) instead of the fact that she was a performer in ancient France that he saved from execution by bringing her forward in time (he was a cause for her to be executed as well...but that is just water under the bridge). While the Big Market scenes were fun, it didn't feel like a real introduction to who they are.
Also, Jodo's Dune would be following the same structure of his previous movies at that point. Fando And Lis: Messianic figure going through an adventure trying to reach enlightenment. El Topo: Messianic figure going through an adventure trying to reach enlightenment. The Holy Mountain: Messianic figure going through an adventure trying to reach enlightenment. Jodo's Dune: Messianic figure going through an adventure trying to reach enlightenment.
@@HugoRBMarques It's interesting that he talks about raping Frank Herbert when in an interview awhile back, he claimed that the rape scene in El Topo was real.. then later backtracked, saying that the claim was "surrealist publicity". He certainly has an... interesting... way of getting things across.
I heard Frank Herbert himself talk about this movie as 11 hours plus and Paul has an incestuous relationship with his mother. It seemed a movie that could never be made. From the author's tone, he was bothered by it.
@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat what degeneracy? Yeah his films have nudity and sexual themes but they aren't exploitative or pornographic. It's done to both genders either for thematic or visual reasons and sexuality is one of the many things he points out is a meaningless distraction in his movies especially the Holy Mountain. Honestly man if it's not for you that's fine but waving away his entire work as "degeneracy" seems super closed minded. It's no different than people who brush away Sci-fi like Dune as "dumb kids shit".
So according to Jodo, the key is to; 1 - don’t know it, 2 - don’t respect it, 3 - ravage it, then hopefully afterwards you have something successful and those that don’t understand that, don’t understand art relationships, love or sex? No thanks.
So it would have been a moderately successful film that would have prevented other (much better....) films from being made. And I don't know... stunted the growth of humanity?
Great video man! I'm subbing. I'm a huge fan of the Dune books, yes even the newer ones by Brian and Kevin. I love the scyfi series with Alec and Barbara, not a fan of the Lynch version. While I've heard of the documentary you're talking about I've never seen it but from what you describe I completely agree with your assessment. Can't wait for Children of Dune review.
I really hope it did, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
Actually, I firmly believe that "The Color of Pomegranates" is a bit weirder but it just might be fact that I've seen that film good 10-15 years before "The Holy Mountain" and, personally, I'm under impression that "The Color of Pomegranates" influenced strange and exotic compositions and general esoteric vibe in "The Holy Mountain". ;)
It's actually a great deal more watchable than "El Topo" (at least the remastered version made available through the DVD release is, anyway). The "psychedelic shotguns" sequence still manages to elicit a wicked grin from me every time I watch it. :D
Dont quite understand what you mean by "bigger than Warhammer", by any stretch of the imagination? I mean comparing the lore of the two is not even close to a fair contest for Metabarons. Dont think they stack up in populairty either, so genuinely curios as to what you mean? That being said it is one of my alltime favorite comics, and I would love to see it get an animated series, a truly amamzing universe, and the evolution of the Metabarons across the generations is simply awesome!
Honestly it sounds like it would've been a complete disaster. People pretending that it would've been anything close to something great enough to change the landscape of film itself, are nothing short of insane. Mass audiences like movies that are clear and digestible. A 10-14 hour absurd and batshit crazy movie that shits all over the source material would've been received horribly, with a cult fanbase at best.
This is crazy. I never knew this was a thing. I think my favorite book out of the whole series even though it's not the best I still love (it's not even written by Frank) house Atreides
I think most people (myself included), really like the idea of Jodorowsky’s DUNE, more than they would ever have liked an actual film made of Jodorowsky’s DUNE. Based on the information and artwork available to see, it’s easy to look back on it and think it would have been great, but you might not know that it had a script, “as thick as a Los Angeles phone directory,” according to Frank Herbert, and it would have made a several hour long film. Add to that, the fact that no studio is going to hand over enough money to Jodorowsky to make it, without some conditions placed on it. The only filmmaker who seemed to be free to get almost unlimited studio backing, without scrupulous oversight, was Stanley Kubrick. Not sure why he was able to demand and get almost anything he wanted, and not have to endure much studio oversight. Other than James Cameron, very few filmmakers get handed a “blank check,” and Jodorowsky certainly wasn’t going to be given one. Frankly, I’m still amazed he was able to spend $2 million on pre-production before he was shut down. In the battle between art and commerce, historically, art has always been the loser.
I think people overestimate his “contribution” to the movie scene. I have a feeling it would have flopped because it was an Incoherent ecstasy fest, I mean hey David Lynch’s dune basically is the book compared to this and THAT gives people so many wrong views of dune.
Dude all of Jodorowsky's films flopped... he doesn't do any of this for the money but for his own expression. The reason it never got made is because he flops so much.
It would have been unwatchable. If I picked it up AS Dune, instead of it being named something else entirely, I’d have been furious. The most he could possibly label it as would be “inspired by”.
If Jodorowsky's Dune was made, it would've been a gigantic mess. Maybe it could work today as an adult cartoon on HBO or Netflix or something. But not back then and not as a single film.
The weird thing about Jodorowsky's Dune: even though Jodorowsky was aiming to radically adapt Dune into a different version, he still was going to include every single character from the novel in his film version. Even when he added stuff to the story, he still maintained the general elements of the story. That's impressive, even for a radical adaptation. Usually, when someone takes liberties with the text, they leave whole characters out, or add new ones. Even though he changes the contexts for many characters, I still give him credit for still maintaining much of the essential characters and some of the structure of Dune instead of throwing them all away. At first, when I read some of Jodorowsky's ideas for Dune, I thought: "What the hell are you going on about, Jodorowsky?" Gradually, when I learned more about Jodorowsky's ideas, and saw the documentary, I found Jodorowsky's effort to radically reinterpret Dune to be exciting. I know that hardcore fans hate the idea of Paul being portrayed as a straightforward hero, but I don't mind that, even when it was done in the Lynch version. However, I can see how not all of his ideas fit well in Dune's universe. I do wonder how space pirates were supposed to operate in a universe where the Guild controls space travel, since regular space ships barely got far without the ability to Fold Space. I'm also curious as to how they were going to do the Worms: whether they were going to go with H.R. Giger's freaky design, or one of the other artist's designs. If only Jodorowsky's script for Dune was more readily available to the public. It would be something to study. If you think his adaptation was too radical, you should read about Rudolph Wurlitzer's script. He was going to take Dune in a rather Oedipal direction. Interestingly, the film poster for Jodorowsky's Dune back in the 70s uses a similar design as one of my favorite paperback editions of Dune. That's the cover where Paul, in a brown hood and cloak stillsuit, is standing on a cliff, and raising his hands out to the sky as three Fremen down below run away from an extremely long sandworm resembling something closer to a conventional earthworm.
Whenever anybody talks about this movie I feel like Mugatu taking crazy pills. There literally would’ve been a scene in this movie where hundreds of extras playing harkonnen soldiers would defecate on the floor of the Arakeen palace. The entire film would been told through the framing device of alien dogs from the future after humanity is extinct watching a film about human history and wondering “when their masters were gonna come home.” Yueh’s wife would’ve been 14. Feyd would’ve dressed like a dominatrix. The emperor would’ve sat on a a golden toilet made up of two dolphin sculptures, one to receive urine and the other to receive feces with a scene showing the emperor using it. And yet everyone talks about how this would’ve been the greatest film of all time. The documentary glosses over the details, only telling the positive side of the story without addressing the actual problems such a picture would’ve made for the studio as well as the horrible, horrible ideas that would’ve made it into the film. They act like the only reason it wasn’t made was because “Hollywood was too scared of the profound religious impact this movie would’ve had on the public, they were just afraid of Jodorowsky’s incredible vision because their minds couldn’t understand it” or some dumb shit like that. As if that was the reason this wasn’t made, when if you do even a shred of research the real reason becomes pretty apparent.
This movie would've been a visionary masterpiece. Source material be damned, this was an important movie that should've been made. I honestly don't see a problem that it takes great liberties, when the inspiration and vision behind it was so pure. Jodorowsky wanted to make a visual masterpiece, it wasn't like now when some businessmen take a franchise they don't understand and make a shitty movie out of it. No, this guy was a real artist and there aren't many of those around... The fact that this movie never got made is a disgrace to cinema and our culture.
but as he said, with the special effects they had back then it could have have looked aweful for all we know. I've never seen something that hasn't been made so overrated.
If you’re going to tell your own damn story, tell your own damn story. He could have made what he wanted. He didn’t need to call it Dune. Don’t say you’re going to make an adaption of something, then create something that is the total opposite of the source material. If you wanna be original, don’t stand on someone else’s shoulders. Do your own freaking work.
Depends on the definition of "the story" At the expense of Herbert's story sure. But Jodorovsky's TRIP does not look like an all spectacle not story type of deal. Devisive but very impactful story included. Trash-tier adaptation, potentially a very influential cult classic original work inspired by Dune.
I must've watched Jodorowsky's Dune so many times because I loved his rich ideas and the art was spectacular especially one of my most favourite artist Giger.❤❤❤ However like you I was very happy that it wasn't made into a film. The ideas were beautiful and strange but it wasn't Frank Herbert's Dune. I am really hoping that Denis Villeneuve's Dune respect the novel without baggages and their own agendas and just film it in honor of Frank Herbert. I think he deserves it.
@GBH I know that😄 I never said lead artist. However H.R. Giger had some pretty amazing Dune concept art that I highly recommend!😊 especially his design for the Harkonnen chair that was designed for Jodorowsky's Dune.
I really hope it got made, because if that was as ridiculous as everyone thinks it will be, it would like the 'Batman & Robin' of Sci-fi movies. And Kevin Feige once said 'Batman & Robin' is the most influencial superhero movie because it forces Hollywood to change how they make movies within the genre
Legit Jodorowsky made some of the most trippiest movies in existence. The Holy Mountain creeped the F out of me when I first watched it. I think his movies inspired the waves of esoteric messaging in audio visual mediums. His "Dune" storyboard book copies still used by Hollywood studios even to this day. Even Prometheus still used 1:1 design & scene from it in some instance.
Totally. The Incal is cool (the art, in particular), but the characters are so two dimensional, and the story is pretty meandering. I don't think he could have done Dune much justice... So it's good that he was rejected and able to make the Incal, as it doesn't need to be held up against a preexisting work
This a bit late to the party, but considering Jodorowsky's script, his other movies, and the laid out budget. I have an image of Jodorwsky walking out somewhere in the movie and saying that they ran out of money, so he and Orson Wells will finish the rest of the movies with sock puppets. Then Orson does magic in the background while Jodorowsky acts the movie out with sock puppets.
I absolutely get your point. Still - I am sad that this crazyness of a movie was never made and I wished, they released a nice book with concept art and storyboards.
