I'm going to show you RTX 4060 benchmarks BEFORE embargo! 

Jay! I can't believe you would make something I enjoyed! Appreciate ya ;)

It's not a revolt. It's a march for justice!!

It’s not that you showed early performance, it’s that you showed exactly what Nvidia told you to. That aside, I’m still subscribed because I trust your content overall and you don’t act all high and mighty like Gamers Nexus.

alright jay i see you. the easiest thing would’ve been to take the video down and apologize but you did the man thing and stand by your word. respect. i will take somebody who follows their own word over someone who goes back on it to save face.

@@jediii86I could have picked any title and the response would be the same. I know just how much cards fall on their face in this title when the features off which is why I use this title already. People forget we already show CDPR CP77 in our testing but because some salty channels love to use me as they wield their swords of righteousness. I do apparently love to piss off the Aussies.

Games are much harder to run now, but I do see your point

​@@ItouchIphoneInfoyeah but the hardware should also be much stronger to match it, right?

@@ItouchIphoneInfo i wonder if you will you need to run games in 720p or 420p in the future with a 4060. Since it's marketed as a barely 1080p card in the present.

​@@majinbuu1337bruh, If this trend continues the 5060 will be a 720 gpu 😂

​@@ZxanonbladeIt should be but nvidia is too busy being greedy assholes releasing weak gpus for twice their worth. Remember when gtx 1080 smoked the 980 and 780? Back when gpus were actually overpowered

Totally agree

I'm trying to get something for myself for Christmas, my RX480 is on life support nowadays, downclocked, undervolted, custom fan curve... if it resets to the default settings it will crash after a few minutes of gameplay.

@@Cinkodacs Used market

It's not always about performance increase. It's about power efficiency as well. That will save money on your power bill

@@Cinkodacs I would find an affordable used card wait for 5 series or AMD's next offering.

tech reviewers became a joke. they are basically shills now making ads for overpriced x3-4 times ngreedia/ayyymd crap. corporations set prices for freaking stupid GAMING devices like its money printing machines... and reviewers stay silent about that. either reviewers are shills now or stupid AF if they don't notice whats going on. tech reviewers DEFINITELY SHOULD CRY MORE, to the point of ignoring products reviews and making videos about HOW MUCH OVERPRICED IT IS instead of doing tests.... khhm, I mean ADS for overpriced AF GPUs. talk about the fact that all these cards are irrelevant as they are overpriced x3-4 times, and e.g. actually the 4070 is a xx50ti class card. and shoud be priced accordingly below $200, as xx50ti cards were priced pre-mining. tech reviewers must talk about the fact that a true xx70 card is the 4080 16GB, 30% less performance than a top card (the 4090) is what xx70 cards were all about. talk about the fact that xx70 GPUs cost around 300 bucks in 2016 pre-mining. remind people that no one in 2016 considered ngreedia GPUs cheap, so even if they get to pre-mining prices they still actually would not be cheap. it'd just be way more justified pricing than what we have now. and don't forget to mention that 1080p is extreme budget in 2023, we aren't in 2016 anymore, with current monitor prices 1440p is the new norm. talk about the fact that any 1080p GPUs must be considered extreme budget and be priced around 100-150 bucks. just like 1080p monitors they are only suitable for. e.g. the 4070 is DEFINITELY an entry-level below $200 xx50Ti class card. talk about that a 4090 die 608mm2 costs 300 bucks MAX to make according to wafer calcs and 2 y.o. TSMC prices per wafer, its more like 200-250 bucks now. a 4080 die 379mm2 costs 150 bucks MAX. and ngreedia is trying to sell 60-class cut down silicon 295mm2 that worth around 50 bucks as 4070ti for 800 bucks with 12gb VRAM, they even tried to sell it like 80-class silicon for 900 bucks at first. and its on OVERPRICED AF TOP TSMC NODES. you easily can release 4070/ti/4060/ti tech on WAY CHEAPER NODES. yep, it would eat a bit more power. and those dies would cost not 50 bucks from TSMC (which is by itself should allow to sell 4070ti for 200 bucks) but like 10 bucks to make. so 4070ti literally is possible and would be VERY profitable for 200 bucks. but we are dealing with ngreedia here milking the market. same as ayyyymd and intool. ALL TECH TUBERS DEFINITELY SHOULD CRY MORE. as is "tech reviewers" ACTUALLY ARE NGREEDIA/AMD SHILLS who normalize overpriced x3-4 time GPUs by ignoring HOW MUCH it all overpriced and not crying about it all the time. YES. YOU - TECH TUBERS. ARE. SHILLS. whether you realize that or not. period.

I'm gonna steal that for my comments about overpriced AF GPUs, thank you

lol good comment

You'd think he discovered fire, so excited that it plays one game. Now do Hogwarts using ultra textures.

$300*

To be fair, the consumer market is extremely unpredictable and volatile. If you can sell to other businesses, it's a lot better. Obviously that doesn't excuse their behavior with this generation or their behavior in general.

No the really do think people are stupid, sadly they are right most of the time or they wouldn't be where they are.

The whole industry is now targeting data centers and AI us gamers just don't matter right now

Yeah still haven't found a reason to upgrade my RTX 3060

It's a better deal than the rx7600 imo i think it's gonna sell well for people who can't find any other card around that price with higher vram

I'm waiting until next tax time to nab myself an RX 6750 XT.

I think it would help them sell. But just because it's 12g doesnt mean it would be worth it. I think new AMD cards are gonna smash these. Oh that card is clearly like a Dell OEM card. Small and black like that i can see it in their systems. You would expect other companies to get more out of it, but they're gonna charge more for sure.

With the billions that Nvidia is making, they could certainly have blown a few million dollars to knock the price down on the 4060 to make it their loss leader card that brings back the buyers.

The competition , the RX7600 , hasn't been dropped in prices here and no sign of a promised 50 dollar rebate neither. AMD marketing is always such BS

​@@pc_modder8156 i don't know if it is the difference between Manufactures Suggested Retail Price and Recommended Retail Price confusing them or if they are choosing to just ignore the fact they are only "suggestions" and "recommendations"

@@pc_modder8156 So they should have set the price lower at the start and analyzed the market better. That has all to do with marketing. And I think AMD didn't lower their prices that much, but just told the retailers to lower their profit margin like they did before already. Again marketing. That rosey view on AMD gets really old. They are just lumping behind Nvidia. If you like or not.

@@erikkarsies4851 why shouldn't they? just so you can get a better deal on the nvidia card you want?

@@erikkarsies4851 i think it was about 10% drop, i can't remember exactly where i saw it i think it may have been jays first video announcing this 4060 but could have been another tech channel.

Fully agree, I feel the same in my 4060 mobile, frame gen is a smoothing filter not an fps booster. When he shows 95fps with RT and FrameGen ON it is nonsense number, as he is really playing at 4xfps lag. You must be well above 100fakefps to be acceptable. I don't understand why they bought this NVIDIA marketing BS

100% agree with you both! I've tried frame gen a little bit now & it feels horrible unless you've got enough base fps to not need frame gen anyway! I would rather lower settings than use frame gen for sure. Input lag is more important than visual smoothness for most games imho.

It should be considered a visual effect nothing more.

And actually, after seeing today's HWUNBOXED q&a where they mentioned the list of NVIDIA's PR test limitations to get early reviewers to pre-shill the 4060 with their predefined test cases (they basically created a video with their face for NVIDIA), I would actually blame Jay for falling twice in NVIDIA's stone for some more views.The fact that it was an ASUS is now even funnier

yeah it does, but in my experience with my 4080, you don't notice that, where as the FPS you really do. So its like 5 leaps forward and one leap back

yeah like what the fuck jay

I'd tape over the Asus logos and not talk who made the card or say something like "this card is from a brand i don't associate with"

@@RealGengarTV Yet he didn't do that and is making money thanks to Asus. Is incredible how powerful these brands are.

@@RealGengarTV He may have been told, he had to tell the name.

Jay : Lets revenge NVIDIA with their embargo

I was just gonna say that 😂. The cards efficiency on other games is where we will be able to see if it’s a decent card or another complete flop like the 4060Ti

I want to see this crash and burn on AMD geared titles. I love seeing tests in games like Borderlands 3 because it's straight up non RT raw performance! No DLSS, no FSR, no gimmicks to increase performance, just raw power

@@pedrolantyer welp thats great 😂 I played Borderlands 3 at 1440p at ultra settings on a 3060 12gb and got over 80fps all day on it Can't wait to see a 4060 on it.

Also this video wasn’t even a benchmark video. It was rambling nonsense for 15minutes. 1 benchmark game and r that’s it

@@constantin-adrianprisecari5379 But people still fall for all the marketing bullshit, That's why marketing is an important tool throughout business.. It's about targeting your audience with shit that sounds great enough to pull the trigger and then too late you realise it never hit those high notes lol

People were calling the 4060 ti a 4050, now you lot are calling the 4060 a 4050? Make your minds up, ffs.

@@JynxedKoma 3050 was an overpriced failure of a card, so we use the term 4050 (next gen 3050) as a blanket term that describes all these cards as failures

@@JynxedKoma i guess this dude is the other people? oh wait there is a bunch of different people online with different opinions who coulda thought? :O

@@JynxedKoma 4060ti is 4060 and 4060 is 4050, if we account the die and cut of cores.

@@JynxedKoma You aren't helping anyone, including yourself with your jokes Jensen minion.

That used to be industry standard. Each generational leap the card would performance leap plus a bit more the card in front of it plus new software features etc and do if for the price of the lower end card the previous gen that it replaced. Since mining they have not only raised prices on cards and decreased performance gen to gen, but seemingly moved the whole product stack so that the lower end cards become the mainstream. This isn't the first time they have done any of this though. the xx70 series cards used to be the $300-$350 cards. I think I paid $329 for an Asus Strix GTX 970 4GB. The next gen they upped the price of the 1070 to more inline with what the 980 had sold for and then tried to push the 1060 as the more mainstream cards. I'm thinking by the time we hit the 5000 series in the next year or two the 5050 is going to cost like $350 and they will call it the great 1080P card with a 64-bit memory bus and some RU-vidrs will still be shilling them as great cards.

8GB is enough memory to play current games at 1080p or 1440, and I doubt that texture size is going to massively increase in the next couple of years. When you use features like DLAA, it has the effect of making textures look sharper than they actually are, anyways. This card is aimed at the mainstream, not the high-end user. The drop in power consumption alone is a big practical improvement over previous cards.

I would even say it’s not a good deal at $250 either. Both frame gen and RT are vram hogs and while this patch of CP2077 can run fine, cdpr already announced that the game will get a lot more demanding for 1.7/2.0 or whatever they decide to call it. 8 gigs simply won’t be enough if you actually plan on using the nvidia features and this is the trend going forward. 8 gigs is the new entry level that should only be on xx50 tier cards

@@SteveDonev Yes, it would be decent at 250$, not a shut up and take my money video card.

@@Magnulus76 So you pay 300$ in 2023 for a nvidia card to play at medium with no rt?

Multiple good points in a single short post. Well said.

maybe I could see some use of frame gen AI for going beyond 60 on a cheap card, but then when are decent 120Hz adaptive sync displays gonna be the norm?

If they marketed it as it actually is - a retro/legacy gaming GPU for older games - and slap 199 pricetag nobody would be upset

I can't really think of a good reason that they limit the amount of lanes, is it a cost saving measure or are they really petty enough to cripple the bandwidth on Gen 3 motherboards to push consumers to upgrade. Both AMD and Nvidia seem to be doing this at this price segment now, At least Intel hasn't yet and let's hope not.

Exactly. This level card is aimed squarely at budget builders and upgraders. Those are both platforms likely to be on Gen 3 pcie devices, and this card should be tested more thoroughly on those systems. Anything else is misleading.

What's the classic trick? That the 12gb 3060 is the way to go?

@@ericj6636 Yes, the 8GB version has not only less VRAM but is further crippled and a lot slower than the 12GB even within the VRAM limits.

Timestamp is 11:20

​@@ericj6636the 8gb 3060 ( the one the percentage improvements are compared to) has much less core and memory performance, it's not just vram amount

I recently bought the white Asus 8gb 3060, I also have an EVGA 12gb 3060, they are not the same, in games where the VRAM aren't a big difference the 8gb 3060 get spanked by the 12gb 3060, my RX 6600 and my Arc 770SE. The 8gb 3060 does seem to be a step up from my 3050, but not a huge step. My two cents. With RX 6600 XTs around for nearly $100 less, the 4060 seems like it is just a way to scrape money out of Nvidia fanboys who will tout Ray tracing, and ignore rasterization.

Great deal!

It does feel a bit like "look at what my 80hp engine can do with 4 gallons of nitrous oxide that I'm only allowed to use on the track"

I don’t understand why no content creator is mentioning that frame generation is unusable in multiplayer games it’s only for singleplayer only games. Especially with lower tier cards people tend to play more less demanding esports like games. And the raw power of every 4060/4060Ti is just comical.

Frame gen and dlss just feel like cheating performance compared to pascal that did it all with pure performance, still rocking my 1080 mini here and have yet to see a gpu come out that makes me want to spend money upgrading for the form factor

If it's ~25% in most games then it's exactly a generational performance improvement. It's always in that 25-30% area.

And a 3060 Ti will have more memory bandwidth on systems this level card is intended for. 8x Gen4 pcie is fine, but aren't budget builders still using a lot of hardware on Gen3?

LOL >40% increase, every two years, for the same money... Keep dreaming, buddy.

@@-Devy- it used to be even better than that. It's only the last couple gens Nvidia has increased the price and given us less improvement....

Totally agree, at 199 this would be good. At 299 it's a joke. What happens to the gains like the 1060 over the 960, hell even the 2060 had a larger performance increase over the 1060 than this. Albeit with a price hike.

And that’s comparing to 8gig crippled 3060s, not the real ones :D 4060 DOA, like all recent Nvidia products…

It's exactly 15% after all and 3% faster than 7600. And as always I'm 100% spot on and my coment underrated...

They make more $$$ that way.

They cut corners everywhere..gpus are basically evolving backwards at this point

​@@enricod.7198Yeah they are fucking pathetic, the only pleasure they have given us this generation is comedy. Their shitty ass GPUs deserve to rot on shelves. I just feel bad for good AIBs who are losing money now.

I have a A770 16G in my daughters 1080p system. It is a really nice card. I tested it in my 1440p system against my 2060 and a 3060ti I am barrowing. The A770 did well but will not compete with the 4060. I am hoping for high tier Card pricing to crash in the next 3 months.

@@shuntao3475 it will do well someday, when they really sharpen the drivers.

@@shuntao3475 I hope you're right with the crashing of the high tier cards. I bought a 4k monitor for work, but now I can't game on it cause I only have a 3060. If the 4080 crashes $100-200 then I could kinda' afford it.

@@kaimojepaslt I honestly hope you are right. Each driver update though has brought very little performance to dx12 titles. I am trying ot hold out for Battlemage, the question is can my 2060 last that long. I really want to play CyberPunk with Ray Tracing on, as I find it to be the best-looking game in history. I have loved the Cyberpunk genre hist first seeing Arkia in the mid 80's.

@@blindguardian8599 Can you no downscale the game? If you play older titles, most are not built for 4k anyways. At a 1K price I would still hold for 4k. I cannot believe the 50xx series will be priced as stupid. I would pay $599 for the 4070ti... no more. That Price would have to hit by Oct. though. After that, we are to close the Battlemage Announcement and worth the wait.

What are the perfs ? Like a 3060 ?

@@fridaycaliforniaa236 Except for outliers due to being new to the market (drivers, etc), the A770 is basically a 1080 Ti in performance and power consumption.

Huh

Hey chatgpt4 generate youtube bot comments supporting intel pls boss we need more ppl buying our stuff we cant falsify our stock for that long

@@EffYouMan oh hey. Turns out Intel makes other stuff as well and stock prices aren’t entirely dependent on their gpu line. Still… hard to tell where these little start up companies will end up. Fingers crossed they figure it out and I don’t lose money on them since my abacus stocks are already tanking.

I liked how in the early "pandemic" stages he'd have nothing but rows of RTX boxes behind him when he'd do a half assed Amd review...Seriously people need to wake up.

Just built my desktop last Dec. I went 6700XT, ordered in Nov for $369 with a $20 rebate, so $349. I'm thrilled with its 1080p perofr,ance and entirely happy with its 1440p framerates, all of which exceed 75 FPS. I dont see any changes coming in the way of the GPU, until mid 2025 at the earliest.

@@grumpyolddude439 Good choice. It has quite abit of power consumption but the 6700 XT is best so far

RX6600 with 16Gb for 250$. They make that and i'm set for 10 years

@@fabrb26 Vram is so important right? hahaha

It's actually one of the only cards that is currently priced right for the performance it gives. That makes it the best card available today.

Your 12gb of vram will outlive this 4060

xx70 cards cost around 300 bucks in 2016 pre-mining. now a TRUE xx70 card is the 4080 16GB, 30% less performance than a top card (the 4090) is what xx70 cards were all about. for around 300 bucks we should get the 4080 16GB (which IS A XX70 CARD), not a 4060 8GB low-VRAM morally obsolete slow af crap. mining is dead, GPUs aren't money printing machines anymore, THEY CAN'T MAKE MONEY/GOLD/ETH ANYMORE(!!!) thats why GPUs prices MUST DROP to pre-mining level, and its not like even pre-mining prices were ANYWHERE CHEAP, THEY WERE NOT, NGREEDIA MADE BILLIONS EVEN WITH X3-4 TIMES LOWER PRICES. NO ONE in 2016 considered ngreedia GPUs cheap, so even if they get to pre-mining prices they still actually would not be cheap. it'd just be way more justified pricing than what we have now. comparing prices now to 2017-2022 MINING prices when GPUs were making MONEY/GOLD/ETH is a joke and a fail of logic.

$200 and they would've had a steal on their hands /s but nah, I think for $300, they really should've given this 10GB and, they should've given the 60Ti 12GB for the price of the 8GB. I don't think a 16GB model makes sense, instead that should've been where the 70/70Ti were shooting for

@@rawdez_ What a pile of lies: 1. $350 was THE LOWEST x70 ever got unless you consider GTX470/570 that aren't "real" x70 cards if you're thinking about GTX770/970/1070 legacy positioning. 2. 26% USD inflation between 2016 and 2023. 3. The prices you suggest are not "pre-mining". The fact that 8 people liked your comment shows how delusional and braindead a crowd of you have become unable to cope with reality. Keep watching Gamermeld/Redtech and whatnot fake media hype griefters - it's totally healthy for your mental state. $300 for a RTX4080... God save your soul because your mind is already beyond saving... PS I am not an nvidia shill - RTX4060 and RTX4060 Ti are delusionally bad products and I hope the market does them in by reducing their price to $230 and $300 respectively. But what some of you guys go through is nothing short of mental illness and I can not afford to not call you out.

$149* shoud has been the price.

@@extreme123dz Exactly. Even adjusted for inflation. The cost cutting is that of the historical x50 line. As is the TDP. This should be the $150 card that no one wants because $200-$250 should buy you mid-tier 250W cards and $150 should be better spent on used cards.

they couldn't give you "a little more" as in 10GB or 12GB, it is either 8GB or 16GB. I believe they currently use 2GB ram modules across all 40 series, the 4090 have 12x2GB for example, while this card as 4x2GB. Adding another 8GB to make a 16GB card may seem like a small cost to the consumer, but to Nvidia it creates a big logistical problem, the GPU board does not have the slots for 8x2GB of RAM, they now need to stock 4GB RAM modules to give you 4x4GB version of the 4060Ti,, and they cant use it on anything else.

@@sjneow Can't see how that's true considering i own a card with only half of the ram slots being used, and i've seen some budget office-grade cards with even less slots being used.

pcie is hardly the issue here. This is effectively what previous generations would equate to a "GTS 4050" being sold as a 4060. Same cost cutting. This card should be $150.

@@mokahless It sure as heck is an issue if you have a PCIe 3.0 board. But yeah, as it stands $150 would be reasonable, that's what a 1050 sold for.

I just Un-Subcribed.

im sure they picked cp2077 because its got all their tech while also being a pretty popular game that is also hard to run.

@@KamekoTsuruga no its because tehres a massive conspiracy meant to scam you out of your money

jay is not very good at details

More like 2007 and the Nvidia 8800 GT.

We have dlss3 now, we can finally game at 1080p.

I don't like Nvidia but I can't see a single thing wrong with this video. Point out what he did wrong? He just showed us the card running a popular game that most have us have likely played or seen benchmarks of. He used various settings. I think he was actually pretty critical in his review. I was almost thinking ouch Nvidia won't want to hear some of the things he is saying. I just wanted to see how the card run the game. He was straight forward with the settings, performance and finally what he is allowed to run. And that more will come when people are allowed to show more. We all know what this GPU will likely be capable of at this point. It should be weaker than 3060 TI. No one is hiding that. Yes with frame gen it has advantages but not all games have that. He told us how few do. This came off as a very fair, reasonable and good video. I'm not an Nvidia fanboy. I really wish Nvidia was not taking advantage of us. I may not be able to afford the 6080 or 6090 I want to upgrade too when it releases. It sucks these costs. But this video will help people avoid this GPU or buy the GPU.

@@MrArrmageddon I don't know if you are aware, but Nvidia only let reviewers run a very specific benchmark on a very specific game and even with very specific settings. And since this is one of the first videos available, a lot of people won't even bother to watch "newer" reviews before buying. I don't think i need to clarify that this should be the absolute best of this card's performance, so in short it's just an incomplete and completely biased "benchmark". Every serious reviewer won't do this, because it's just not pro consumer, HU being the best example.

@@RFKG I was not aware until Jayz told us in this video that Nvidia was doing that.

@@MrArrmageddon Oh, that's so wholesome. He said that Nvidia wanted a biased review, knowing that it would mislead casual watchers and still made the video. I really can't understand your line of thinking, but don't get me wrong. If you like the guy, be my guest. If you are informed enough to understand what little information this 23 minute video present about the product as a whole, great for you! Just don't try to justify scummy practices for a few million more views. He knows exactly what he's doing.

After the real benchmarks of this card were just released, i remembered our conversation and felt like coming back, here. Now that you can compare the full benchmarks with this totally artificial one, do you understand my point? This one makes the card looks ok, the real ones show how gimped it really is. This guy could have waited a couple days, but instead chose to bend the knee to a corporation's bad business practices just for a few more views. A lot of people that only watch this channel will buy the card because of this. Is it a bit clearer now?

He did exactly that in his full review. The 6700xt is his buying recommendation. If you can swing it the 6750xt is a great buy for 25 bucks more.

Yes this video was a good example of what a 4060 can and can't do.

"BuT dLSs 3" we need fake frames to play at 1080p in 2023.

Fair play but I don’t get the logic. You’d go with EVGA because it’s a premium it’s a premium brand, I’m guessing, but then as second choice any other brand with a different chipset?

Like Nvidia cares about a few consumers pissing off, they have like an 80% market share and now fully into AI

@@BikingChap EVGA proved themselves to be a company I could trust no matter who designed the electronics. When they decided not to do business with Nvidia anymore and then when I saw the other questionable moves Nvidia were doing, I knew it was time to jump off the team green ship. It's not about the chipset, it's about trust in the companies. EVGA was doing great business and doing it properly where as Nvidia is also doing great business, but being rather scummy about it.

@@artnashjr2500 fair shout but I’d worry about the reliability of the cooling solutions on the top end AMD offerings. Frustrating that one company has some impressive products but questionable marketing and the other big player has less great products with inconsistent quality in hardware and drivers. If only Intel did a A790 or similar.

​@@BikingChapbattlemage and alchemist GPUs will hopefully be a big performance jump for Intel, especially in Dx11 and below titles

I love the part of the video were he turns off DLSS and Frame Gen to see how it performs. And also told us that not to many games support frame gen etc.

@@MrArrmageddon I'm not criticising Jay. I'm criticising Nvidia. The fairly short list that Jay mentioned is around 10% of the list of DLSS 2 supported titles. It's roughly 30 to 40 Frame Generation supported titles in comparison to around 300 - 400 DLSS 2 supported titles. There will be a few that will be manipulated by the Nvidia controlled benchmarks and will forget about the "fairly short list" that Jay mentioned in the video.

Yeah at this rate you'll be good for the next decade, unless you're willing to spend a grand on a gpu.

Just got a 6950 XT for $680 which was cheaper than the 4070s in my part of the world so i thought fucc green team this upgrade haha ill go all AMD for a few years