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I'm literally speechless // HDZERO 90 FPS NANO CAM 

Joshua Bardwell
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00:00:00 - Questioning everything I think I know
00:01:43 - Access camera settings
00:02:36 - Test flight: 720p at 60 fps
00:04:55 - Why am I re-recording this?
00:06:15 - 540p has lower resolution (obviously)
00:07:14 - Test flight: 540p at 90 fps
00:09:28 - Why is this different?
00:11:15 - Let's fly it again
00:13:46 - What about 540p60 and "crop"?
00:15:02 - Really? "Question everything I think I know"

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@SkyFpv
@SkyFpv Год назад
Low latency, high frame rate, and static latency. Combine all 3 of those, and you have something that feels better. If you'd like to learn more about this, research some of the efforts that have gone into VR headsets recently. It absolutely does make a difference. And 90hz is a special threshold if you have low, static latency.
@spikester
@spikester Год назад
Jitter sucks in almost everywhere it exists, it really is the worst thing to try to accommodate when expecting a specific response time. Give me fixed latency any week. Even DJI would feel better at 60fps if it were consistent framerate above all else. Its the same with jittery clock source oscillators, the expensive ones have much less jitter.
@TuxedoFPV
@TuxedoFPV Год назад
I came here to say this too: anyone who plays PC games at 120hz+ knows exactly what Joshua is feeling, and it's really hard to describe until you use it. But then, you can't go back.
@CarsonKulp
@CarsonKulp Год назад
@@TuxedoFPV I switched from my 60hz productivity monitor to a 165hz low latency gaming monitor for FPV sims and it is a night an day difference. Same GPU and same settings just a faster monitor. I was getting motion sick in the Sim very quickly and that is gone.
@JonE5FPV
@JonE5FPV Год назад
Awesome to see we both had similar reactions to 90fps. Like you I didn’t expect I would feel much a difference and boy was I wrong. What a time to fly.
@notsure1502
@notsure1502 Год назад
I feel like you guys are teaming up and trying to convince me to buy buy buy. I'm gonna tell the wife its your fault
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell Год назад
Make sure you are watching this in 4k if at all possible. Even at 1080p, RU-vid bitrate is low enough to hurt the video quality.
@lightpolebluelamaa4207
@lightpolebluelamaa4207 Год назад
Nice camera quality on the video and camera
@maro0016
@maro0016 Год назад
So from now on we will see you fly hd0 … all the time…
@d3c0deFPV
@d3c0deFPV Год назад
Nice flying. I can tell your confidence level is way up here. Would be cool if you could host a 90fps sample on your site or gdrive etc for us to see.
@jonowillmer
@jonowillmer Год назад
Very cool to see you having fun! Great stuff, I do really enjoy that camera too!
@ChrisRosser
@ChrisRosser Год назад
I felt the same. It's the ability to react to unexpected situations that improves so much with lower latency. For racers this is mechanical doping.
@Noical
@Noical Год назад
Finally someone else appreciates what I’ve been talking about
@GiantAntCowboy
@GiantAntCowboy Год назад
It’s fun to see you excited about this! I actually opted not to get one of these cameras during beta testing because Carl said only a few units were available and I figured it’d be better for racers to test… but now this video makes me regret that decision! Nice work, cheers!
@RECK_Adventures
@RECK_Adventures Год назад
You kinda perfectly described one of the reasons I chose HDZero over DJI and that's that it is confidence inspiring. I may not actually be flying any better, but I am feeling more confident in my flying and that's huge for me. I tried flying DJI and absolutely hated it. I felt so uncomfortable with every movement that I just didn't want to try anything new or interesting and ultimately just had way less fun because of that.
@easyefpv6609
@easyefpv6609 8 месяцев назад
That was my experience with dji too. I could feel the latency and wo7odnt go for anything tricky cause it was too much and kind of got motion sickness from it
@thomastommy9864
@thomastommy9864 6 месяцев назад
Reminds me of flying on VelociDrone or any other computer sim. You get fast response and fluid movement. Now you can have that computer sim feeling while out in the field.
@redcobra1246
@redcobra1246 Год назад
Hdzero + 90fps camera will be the standard for drone racing. There is no doubt about it
@airdevil21
@airdevil21 Год назад
Iam so happy I have the HDZERO goggles!!! Awesome to see your reaction!
@jesselopezdrones4396
@jesselopezdrones4396 Год назад
Great video. Thank you for sharing. You look healthy. Good job. 👍👍
@Joeyzoom
@Joeyzoom Год назад
I love to see someone so excited about a new piece of tech. Happy you're enjoying it Joshua! Cheers 🍻
@killacovertops
@killacovertops Год назад
Love this ty! Need to get flying again!
@IggyBiggy
@IggyBiggy Год назад
i was shocked at how much I liked the HDZero goggles. Glad I got in on the first pre order, totally worth it.
@ghostdropfpv
@ghostdropfpv Год назад
great vid!
@aiRxShop
@aiRxShop Год назад
9:13 lol @ your Mickey Mouse laugh had me rolling. Especially after posting the comment and repeatedly hitting the timestamp. 😂🤣 Love the vid as usual.
@modquad18
@modquad18 Год назад
Kudos to Carl for creating the best out of the gate experience of all the digital FPV video systems 👍🏽
@skyweaver3199
@skyweaver3199 Год назад
This was a good video. It really helps this kind of review. I appreciate it. I am gonna get these instead of dji v2 , I'm for the lower fixed latency. My dji v1/2 air unit lite system whatever is good enough for me.....I don't need 03 resolution. I want to INVEST in lower latency. I think I get that done by supporting Carl and Hdzero. It will only get better.
@kuzyatron
@kuzyatron Год назад
It was October last year at the MGP Champs when Ryan Quellet showed me the 90fps. What I said to him was "It feels like, when I fly HDZero 60fps there is this gap between frames I wasn't even aware of and my brain was trying to fill the gap, whereas with this 90fps I'm seeing the actual image continuously." Between pre-ordering and receiving the goggle and 90fps cameras, I wondered whether what I thought I saw at the Champs was real or my imagination. I have done some racing with 90fps and now I can tell you it's freaking real
@PKSiam-st5rc
@PKSiam-st5rc Год назад
i love your new shed (orange)
@wearemany73
@wearemany73 Год назад
Thanks for giving us the temperature in Centigrade 🇬🇧👍
@LicardoFPV
@LicardoFPV Год назад
Hi JB, nice video again! What stick ends are those?
@user-bs5kj4ke2r
@user-bs5kj4ke2r Год назад
Joshua, you superhero!!!
@drunkskunk00
@drunkskunk00 Год назад
Awesome video. I Loved Walksnail, and had converted to it for freestyle, except now I find I enjoy flying HDZero freestyle more. The image might be worse, but the experience is better. It feels more connected; Smoother maybe? it's hard to explain. Just... better. It's like a +3 to my piloting skill, or something.
@mateuszjasek
@mateuszjasek Год назад
Why WS over DJI for freestyle? I'm just curious - walksnail user here.
@ethrrr
@ethrrr Год назад
It's like pal and ntsc "D
@drunkskunk00
@drunkskunk00 Год назад
@@mateuszjasek 4 main reasons that come down to it's a better image than DJI. WS is 1080p instead of 720p. OLED screen goggles are better than DJI. The technology is newer and has greater potential, The VTX are much lighter than DJI. WS is going to stay in my long range stuff and in planes, but HDZero wins for Freestyle and anything fast moving. Basically, if an image is moving past the screen too fast to see the detail, it looks better in HDZero.
@mateuszjasek
@mateuszjasek Год назад
@@drunkskunk00 do you really freestyle in 1080p? I've tried and i was crashing constantly and feeling drunk. For me this mode is unusable due to latency. I only fly 720p100.
@drunkskunk00
@drunkskunk00 Год назад
@@mateuszjasek Not anymore. I converted all my freestyle to HDZero, mostly for the same reasons this video was about. it's lower res but just feels better
@sunsetpark_fpv
@sunsetpark_fpv Год назад
JB you look legitimately impressed, and that impressed the hell outta me 😎 HDZero moving forward will only get better.....and that's all I need to know to make my decision to purchase them even easier.
@havoc_64
@havoc_64 Год назад
Great Video Josh. to your point...is HDZero 960x720@60 better than Analog for detail and seeing the branches??
@DavidOwensuk
@DavidOwensuk Год назад
I have bought 3 90 fps cameras for this years racing season! Looks like it was a good buy!! Awesome video JB worth’s the subscription😁👍
@andrebullitt7212
@andrebullitt7212 Год назад
Darn! You and James made me buy a pair.
@Deserthacker
@Deserthacker Год назад
The breakup of this system vs analog or the other digital systems seems much more bearable. Sure, there are corrupted parts at times. But each specific area in the image is only missing for a tiny fraction of a second. No completely dumped frames and there's no rollover, ever.
@PiDsPagePrototypes
@PiDsPagePrototypes Год назад
The breakup almost looks like digital noise inside an analog transmission. Bet they've gone with a much smaller packet size, sending blocks of the image instead of whole frames. That or on the Rx end, it's much more aggressive in discarding data frames with any missing information, dump, move on, show next data now rather then try rebuild missing data.
@spikester
@spikester Год назад
It has the same signal recovery characteristics as analog also, very predictable when you finish your move or whatever you expect there to be some packet loss, it always comes back every single time, there is no delay whatsoever to regain signal with hdzero, identical to analog. EDIT: oh and BTW the hdzero breakups doesn't compress very well on RU-vid, having to render the breakups in a YT video makes the rest of the video look worse. LOL
@doncunningham3124
@doncunningham3124 Год назад
My color saturation is way off. My front lawn has never been greener and the sun has never been more yellow. But I LOVE IT!!! This is the best FPV video experience I've ever had in the last 6 years! I don't want to change a thing! Except for the cameras in the rest of my HDZero fleet.
@MrCrowleyandhisdrone
@MrCrowleyandhisdrone Год назад
🙂 thank you,
@davidsaintonge6232
@davidsaintonge6232 Год назад
Great video, love the enthusiasm! Is the Boxer officially your new daily driver?
@BMWS14turbo
@BMWS14turbo Год назад
Hi Joshua, happy to see this. I have Preordered the Race Bundle can`t wait to hold it in my hands, I have a Question i fly R-XSRs in all my quadt till now. And some years ago it was a feelable Latency step binding those with 8Ch against 16Ch mode. What RC Link do you have Used for this Flights and is there a noticeable better feeling if you do the same quad with 500Hz Elrs? Finger to eye Latency should be the best with this combination.
@enrico320i
@enrico320i Год назад
definitly switch to ELRS 500Hz or 1000Hz. You dont need expensive stuff, but the R-XSR will Limit HDZero definitly.
@creationlabsinc.189
@creationlabsinc.189 Год назад
Take that setup to a bando or parking garage. Or anyplace you’d have big structures you’d have to punch through. Would it still be your new goto? It’s the breakup that keep my hdzero setups from going with me to the flying sessions. Now 1s whoops it’s a game changer.
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell Год назад
100% need to try it.
@Przemo-c
@Przemo-c Год назад
I know pros can compensate for flaws in control/vision systems and exploit benefits of them. Would be interesting to have a big shootout in how it affects amateurs. Does it help to learn, does it make no difference, does it make you complacent. For instance the piloting skill required for last minute corrections might not be as beneficial to novice or it can make it easier to move closer to that line. And one thing is perception like with resolution it's quite obvious but with things like latency consistency it's not that obvious unless we go to extreme ends. It would be a massive undertaking but would be awesome to see preferably in a close to scientific study design principles shootouts of how latency/image quality/ consistency of latency/level and type of breakup affects varous levels of experience for FPV.
@rawpicsfpv3516
@rawpicsfpv3516 Год назад
I bet mr steele will love this system for his freestyle quads
@MUNKYFPV
@MUNKYFPV Год назад
Great review thanks. I’m still rocking the V1 DJI goggles with caddx vistas for most of my flying but I still have a set of original HDOs with rapidfire if I want to fly analogue. This fixed low latency looks very interesting though and the lower resolution looks good enough even on RU-vid. I’m guessing I would need the HDzero goggles to take advantage of this? Am I correct in thinking adding a HDzero VRX to my HDOs won’t cut it?
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell Год назад
Currently only the hdzero goggles do 90fps but the standalone receiver may support it in the future. However without the 90fps display and the end to end sync that is only possible with the hdzero goggles, you won't get the full advantage.
@airplanenut6242
@airplanenut6242 Год назад
I can’t help but wonder if some of the magic comes from the progressive scan of the image too. Like yes, analog can be almost the same latency, but you’re only getting half the image with each frame. Maybe there’s something about the entire image updating every 11ms that just pushes it over the threshold of smoothness. Anyway I ordered a 90fps cam and I’m excited to see what it’s all about.
@mach74marco
@mach74marco Год назад
Non vedo l'ora di provarla, fra pochi giorni arriverà la mia cam 90 fps.😁😁😁
@aphinion
@aphinion Год назад
In VR it's common knowledge that immersiveness really just starts below 20ms as an absolute limit and the less latency you get the less nausea the system is causing. so even with analog we are still just very close to that limit and that nano90 brings us much closer inside that range. Also not only the low latency/HFR but also the FIXED latency is, what makes timing in proximity so easy. With the variable latency of DJI you have to rely on full muscle memory and your experience that based on your current trajectory you'll make it. And I'm sure this is also the reason, Phantom FPV can't get that dive done. The moment that drone falls into that chimney, DJI raises the latency to compensate for the lower reception, that fucks up his timing and he smashes it either into the wall or ground cause in reality this system gives him no reference on where the drone really actually is in that moment. A fixed latency will do that and you'll be able to make out the important queues even from a noisy image. Really looking forward to testing this system. I also am surprised about how much quality they actually can transmit in this almost uncompressed raw-format they are sending - another thing that actually provides consistency. While DJI will blur your image when being far away, HDZ/Analog will still provide sharp edges and corners in that noisy or even black and white image. The only caveat is you won't see tree branches as good in close proximity, that's indeed a bummer! ;)
@myfavouritegame
@myfavouritegame Год назад
I maidened my Five33 Lightswitch with 90 fps camera less then 24 hours ago. All I can say, once you see 90fps at 15ms latency, it's hard going back to 60fps. And not to mention, plug the goggle to PC running drone sim and run it at 720p@100Hz, is just unreal.
@H3xx1st
@H3xx1st Год назад
Love your excitement, it's awesome!
@NickRO19
@NickRO19 Год назад
Can't wait to feel that for myself. So happy I chose HDZero
@SpicyFPV
@SpicyFPV Год назад
Its really hard to explain it to people, they have to personally try flying a 90fps cam with the HDZG to understand. I have yet to find anyone, regardless of what they prefer, that hasn't almost immediately said, "Woa..." (Neo from the Matrix), when they fly it. I don't even care about the video quality reduction, something about it just makes it feel like magic. If you sit there on a bench and look at it, yeah, the resolution reduction is noticeable and a little offputting. However, as soon as you take off? That goes away and literally nothing matters except for how buttery smooth it feels. My biggest concern as a racer, is just going to be smashing those gorgeous cams on conduit gates and the significant amounts of crying my wallet will be doing.
@JeffreyWelch
@JeffreyWelch Год назад
So cool to hear JB excited
@barry_dalive
@barry_dalive Год назад
For the love of all that's FPV do a full quad setup review on the Boxer illustrating the different receiver protocols as well as the timer, and other functionality within the radio including ExpressLRS and binding your quad. There isn't another channel that has a full setup guide. Great video, and thanks for all you do!!!
@Koolaidban
@Koolaidban Год назад
curious . how many watts is your solar . is it off grid or tied in? I have a 24 v 3680 watt solar . with 16 6 volt battery's off grid . solar is a good hobby also .
@grege2383
@grege2383 Год назад
Ugh, I have the Eachine 800Ds, just ordered the Skyzone Cobra Xv2. I'm wondering if I should order the HDZERO's before the hundred dollar price jump early next month.
@AndyDreadFPV
@AndyDreadFPV Год назад
Yes you should. This goggles does it all.
@SlattFpv
@SlattFpv Год назад
Thats awesome!
@paulmillard1130
@paulmillard1130 Год назад
I've always thought you flew sharper/better when you were mostly analogue I think you've proved it.
@chaserporter
@chaserporter Год назад
The 90fps camera really is that good. I regret only getting 3 of them now and I ordered more but have no idea when they will arrive. That is, in my opinion, the biggest downside of the system right now: hardware availability and waiting for an unknown amount of time to receive it. We in the US have been spoiled by the super fast shipping of RDQ and Pyro.
@willpowerfpv3246
@willpowerfpv3246 Год назад
Good lord, that's the most intricate SCAM comment thread I've ever seen!!
@PiDsPagePrototypes
@PiDsPagePrototypes Год назад
@@willpowerfpv3246 gonna be hell trying to report those to youtube, seen them a couple of times, nowhere near as often of the textonotherplatform scams though.
@b3owu1f
@b3owu1f Год назад
@@willpowerfpv3246 Haha..I was reading those and thinking..wtf is going on here.. seriously created a bunch of dummy youtube accounts to put a bunch of them in some random review video? Like do people really fall for this shit? Also.. why this one thread.. and not all the others.. and/or the main comment? So strange the person who coded up this scam.
@willpowerfpv3246
@willpowerfpv3246 Год назад
@@b3owu1f no doubt, eh? Unfortunately, this is probably like commercial trolling for fish to them. You're always going to catch a few dummies in the net, which is why I figured I better leave a comment, in case somebody fell for this. A few months ago, I was looking for a new folding camping chair to take flying, and one morning, before I had any coffee, I saw the deal that was too good to pass up on a Facebook ad. I ordered it, then later that afternoon I realized the red flags, and put in a ticket with PayPal. They refunded my money immediately, but I guess the company didn't get the cancellation notice on the other end, and two weeks later a cheap $9 banggood special wristwatch showed up in my mailbox lol. They got some pretty clever scams going on these days. I went back and investigated and realized they were lifting all of the pictures and product information directly from the site of the original brand product, and then photoshopping out the labels on the chair back. 🙃 I'm usually hyper skeptical and critical, but that rouse was so elaborate, it didn't click immediately. 🥴🫠 This one is rife with red flags. 😅
@stefangranath3841
@stefangranath3841 Год назад
The camera setup thing via radio, is that only a hdzero thing?
@scu-dub
@scu-dub Год назад
J B I JUST GOT THE REKON 4FR AND IT CAME WITH AN ENTIRE STACK NOT THE AIO FLIGHT CONTROLLER I WAS EXPECTING IS THIS A GOOD OR BAD THING????
@lievenvv
@lievenvv Год назад
I had a similar reaction when playing on a 120-160hz CRT for the first time... It's totally real!!
@JohnCuppi
@JohnCuppi 9 месяцев назад
I got to try HDZero Goggles and 90fps at Ken Heron's Mindfield event. I didn’t expect I would feel anything either, wow was I wrong about that.
@rawpicsfpv3516
@rawpicsfpv3516 Год назад
What quad did you fly in this video?
@yadon9884
@yadon9884 Год назад
How is the image if you fly with walksnail?
@myfavouritegame
@myfavouritegame Год назад
I'm beginning to see some talking down about other systems. I think every FPV system has it own use case. I have HDZ and Walksnail VRX. Yesterday I maidened my Walksnail freestyle/ LR qwad, and got what I expected. Far superior image quality compared to HDZero, and penetration is better. Doesn't mean Walksnail is better than HDZ. I still going to buy a few more HDZ 90 fps camera for my racing qwsd. And I will buy 1 or 2 more Walksnail VTX and camera too for 5" or fix wing. And if I have the money, I will buy the Dji 03 with Goggle 2 too. I think that will be best system to put on a cinewhoop. I'll be stupid if I put the HDZ 90 fps camera on a cinewhoop, coz that 90fps means nothing when flying slow when image quality and penetration is more important. So there's really no need to argue which is the best system. Even analog has its own merits. Like can Dji, HDZero or Walksnail do audio from qwad?
@cedricgrandseigne
@cedricgrandseigne Год назад
That reminds me of what I felt when I started to fly with high D.
@PatClevenger
@PatClevenger Год назад
I been messing with HD zero since before it was HD zero. Its come a long way and I really like it but I still think I would fly analog or DJI unless I was 100% sure I would not lose VTX. The breakup that HD zero has isn't forgiving enough i guess I would say. Its like oh breakup.....Snow I have snow. Maybe that would be better with more powerful VTX I don't know.
@robertgiordano3452
@robertgiordano3452 11 месяцев назад
I definitely prefer HDZERO over the DJI air unit. Especially since I'm not flying through the forest or trees mostly
@poporbit2432
@poporbit2432 Год назад
Isn't this the product of two independant systems? Low latency gives you more reaction time to control inputs and higher frame rates provides earlier perception to visual cues. The combination likely releases less adrenaline before resolution to the stimulus.
@ampyoutube1895
@ampyoutube1895 Год назад
i am new to fpv. what is the number next to the propeller in the osd mean
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell Год назад
It's the goggle fan speed.
@BangChief_AllIsOne
@BangChief_AllIsOne Год назад
Salute
@AHTOH4uk1979
@AHTOH4uk1979 Год назад
Please compare this with rapidfire analog video)).
@scottmilano2940
@scottmilano2940 Год назад
Is there any reason to go 90fps if my HDZero setup is the HDZero VRX thru HD02 fatsharks?
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell Год назад
At this time that's not possible because the vrx doesn't support 90 fps. But the goggles being limited to 60 fps means you won't get the full benefit even if somehow the vrx does work with the camera.
@TheMadmacs
@TheMadmacs Год назад
i tend to think this is real. more coherent image is a subtle thing when it comes to fpv, its nowhere near as good as the naked human eye, but every step towards the eyes natural ability will give a serious boost to the feel and coherence of the image. resulting in, better confidence.
@AndyPorter79
@AndyPorter79 Год назад
What kind of range does the HDZERO have? Has it been tested? I think I will finally go digital this year and this video pretty much decides it for me.
@madtoffelpremium8324
@madtoffelpremium8324 Год назад
Similar or a bit less than analog. The breakup is less at high to medium signal strength, but drops off faster at low signal strengh.
@gregm8941
@gregm8941 Год назад
Kind of oxymoronic to say I am speechless.🤔
@aiRxShop
@aiRxShop Год назад
Is this 90fps camera compatible with the HDZero Rx Module? Or is it only compatible with the HDZero goggles?
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell Год назад
Currently it is only compatible with the hdzero goggles. HDZero has said they might make compatibility with the RX module in the future, but here's the thing: the RX module is almost always used with goggles that have 60fps screens. So you wouldn't get the 14 ms latency, and in fact most goggles have higher latency on their HDMI input. So to really get the most advantage, you need the HDZero goggles.
@aiRxShop
@aiRxShop Год назад
@@JoshuaBardwell ahhh... yes, touche. I hadn't even thought about the screens in other goggles running at 60 hz. That's why you get paid the big bucks! 🤑
@Originaljonny2bad
@Originaljonny2bad Год назад
cant wait too try this camera
@juliusen7336
@juliusen7336 5 месяцев назад
i know I'm late to the party, but does anyone know if there is a way to put that cam on a 75mm tiny whoop?
@yuranium
@yuranium Год назад
Is there a reason why DJI can't also just add a 540p option with their existing setup with ultra low latency?
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell Год назад
They don't want to.
@duncanwilliams5790
@duncanwilliams5790 Год назад
Nice one JB
@pacospete4299
@pacospete4299 Год назад
new to this .... @ 2:30 , is this actually what you are seeing in the goggles ?
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell Год назад
Yes.
@edrone_
@edrone_ Год назад
Awesome to hear and see your feedback on this new camera. You got me excited to give it a try. Hopefully it won't be sold out lol 😅 Also I have been told that the Runcam HDZero Micro v2 has a slightly better image due to the sensor being a tad larger. Would love to see some comparisons and your thoughts. 🤟
@713Ace529
@713Ace529 Год назад
There was a reason I was waiting for your experience input. Yeah before you were like “big deal” but seeing your expression, lol that says a lot. You had me at “DID I STUTTER” 😂 👍
@matthewbradley8971
@matthewbradley8971 Год назад
Question is, what does this do to your muscle memory. I would love to see you fly with this 3ms latency for a while then switch back to DJI and see what happens. Personally, I love freestyle where I have better clarity. I don't fly with a gopro, so I'm usually just going back and looking at my DVR footage. I can totally see this being the go-to platform for racing or even 65-75mm freestyle. I just can't wrap my head around this being a daily driver for someone though.
@dingbatfpv
@dingbatfpv Год назад
In basic terms framerate is not latency. If you have 90fps but but it takes a whole minute to process a single frame, you won't be able to fly. Sure the gap between frames is smaller but the whole system is a minute behind making it unflyable. It's the same problem videogame streaming services like on live or stadia face, it seems like HDZ has a pretty good system to solve this problem
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell Год назад
Yeah but it doesn't take a minute to process a single frame. HDZero pipeline latency is like 3 ms. Also don't forget that the faster framerate requires faster display time. At 30 fps, it takes 33 ms to draw one frame. At 60 fps it takes 16 ms. At 90 fps it takes 11 ms. So the higher the framerate, the lower the glass-to-glass latency.
@Przemo-c
@Przemo-c Год назад
@@JoshuaBardwell Exactly. I also wonder if over time we'll see techniques that are used in VR for FPV to get a better sense of the quad's motion as in reproject the image you're seing by shifting/rotating it according to latest gyro read/prediction that can be sent at the end of frame reception. Sort of like Asynchroneus timewarp for FPV but not for head rotation but for quad rotation.
@dingbatfpv
@dingbatfpv Год назад
@@JoshuaBardwell I should have been more clear, I was more trying to say that's why it should feel smoothr than DJI, I was using a minute as a fairly extreme example. DJI does 100fps or more I think? But then the latency in the processing means while the frames are drawn 10ms apart they are drawn a lot longer after they were captured than with HDZ, resulting in HDZ feeling smoother. I would also guess none-variable latency makes it feel better because its more consistent.
@ohSchnapp
@ohSchnapp Год назад
Hey Joshua, have you tried the simulator on a 360 Hz monitor? I was flying 60 Hz for the longest time and just switched, and you and I have almost the same reaction to improvement. Was easily able to take four more seconds per lap off each track. Would love to know your thoughts or see a video of your reaction if you're running 60hz
@MysteryD
@MysteryD Год назад
I play Liftoff at 144fps, and I can say that it feels much smoother than flying in real life, and I use DJI v2 goggles
@redcobra1246
@redcobra1246 Год назад
Yeah exactly. People that doubt the effect should try capping a simulator at 60fpsand then raising it at 90hz or more
@havoc_64
@havoc_64 Год назад
AND Where did your newbee neck strap go??....LOL
@michaelstewart7662
@michaelstewart7662 Год назад
That's an awesome analog setup you got there
@wasispeeding1021
@wasispeeding1021 Год назад
I switched to DJI when it first came out. At first I loved how clear it was and how much more I could see. Over time I started to feel like I was flying worse and worse, so I slowly stopped flying because it just wasn't as enjoyable for some reason. About a month ago I started flying again, after about 8 months of not flying. I instantly noticed how bad the latency is and realized that's why I lost the enjoyment and interest. Really tempted to try this setup, but the video quality leaves a lot to be desired compared to DJI... If only we could get the best of both worlds. Great video as always. Hopefully I can find someone local that has this setup that'll let me try it out.
@sunsetpark_fpv
@sunsetpark_fpv Год назад
How clear do you need the image to be when you are moving fast and quick decisions are made on the fly? I understand how clarity can make you better, but latency will only make you worse......
@wasispeeding1021
@wasispeeding1021 Год назад
@@sunsetpark_fpv Most of the cool places I have to fly are heavily wooded areas and over rivers and creeks. Being able to see little branches, leaves, and small electrical lines can be just as important as being able to react quickly
@metefpv
@metefpv Год назад
I also noticed that most locals here that switched to DJI back then, already quit flying. So I was wondering wether they would have quit anyway or was it the same reason as you
@sunsetpark_fpv
@sunsetpark_fpv Год назад
@@wasispeeding1021 Oh I get it. Flying in wooded areas with lots of scraggle definitely needs the clearest view possible, or else you will wind up stuck in little branches constantly. That's a tough environment to fly in.
@nakmax
@nakmax Год назад
Maybe you can upload the raw dvr files somewhere so we can download them?
@davidlondon3111
@davidlondon3111 Год назад
It’s truly great to see you get enthusiastic about HDZERO. The static and interference is still an issue for me especially from DJI but I think that half of that is people not bringing their power down to 25mW
@Alluvian567
@Alluvian567 Год назад
Sounds neat, and I would love to try it, but DAMN, that sparkle when flying at such close range is just a nogo for me. I hate flying through analog static, and this to me looks so much worse. I would love to try it and feel that special sauce, but I don't have the budget to do so, and there isn't any FPV community at all around me that I know of. I also suck so bad I would be embarrassed to join one anyway, unless they were also really noobs, and noobs would not have that kind of specialized gear either.
@terminsane
@terminsane Год назад
Fatshark really jumped the shark on hdzero. Every racing pilot is going to need hdzero to stay competitive
@CalleyyyC
@CalleyyyC Год назад
The nano 90 doesn’t seem to have the best image quality out of the HDZero cams but man the 90fps mode is a game changer!
@FastSloW-qt8xf
@FastSloW-qt8xf Год назад
I fly dji, the resolution really spoils you. I plan on picking up hdzero goggles in the very near future basically for hd whoops. Cause I never enjoyed a micro quad with dji for anything other than exploratory flying in canopy. I want a hd tinywhoop
@KCQuadTronX
@KCQuadTronX Год назад
I love this its AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@wavesummit
@wavesummit Год назад
Would love to see a 90fps 16:9 camera for hdzero
@sunsetpark_fpv
@sunsetpark_fpv Год назад
I'm sure that somewhere out there in the techiverse, thats on the menu.....
@poulmartinmller4094
@poulmartinmller4094 Год назад
...you get exited when learning something new today, as do we... nice one
@moblades1
@moblades1 Год назад
I used the $105 credit from the goggles to order 2 of the 90fps cams. Can't wait!
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations Год назад
Fantastic flying and review, Joshua!!! 😃 But you know what? I hope some day I can suck at flying like you say you do. 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@carbonEYE007
@carbonEYE007 Год назад
Moments like this are why I fly, always a giddy moment of pure goodness
@lililililililili8667
@lililililililili8667 Год назад
Must feel so nice when stacked with the 1000hz elrs responsiveness. Im tempted to get HDZERO even though I already have walksnail and love it.
@spikester
@spikester Год назад
This also has me on the verge of throwing out crossfire, 150hz max with limited range vs 500hz with all the range you need with a very noticeable improvement in stick to craft response time, as one would expect. Flying whoops around the house even on DJI feels different with 500hz ELRS over crossfire. Can only imagine how a 90fps fixed pipeline will stack. Drool.
@gonebdg
@gonebdg Год назад
This is one of the reason why I choose hdz system and hdz goggle, however it's a bit hard to explain to anyone who ask why. This might be similar with the feeling that I've got at the first time I switch over from frsky to elrs with 500hz packet rate which cause me fly much better and more confidence. So for you who still questioning how can hdz is better than any other digital system, it's hard to explain with words and you must try it by your self. The fpv video record might not be as best as the other digital system have but the fpv image is very good when you see it with your own eyes on a high quality oled monitor fpv such a hdz goggle had.
@cheako91155
@cheako91155 Год назад
14:47 Is "crop" compress/blend/resizing the horizontal, or is it tossing columns of pixels from the camera?
@JoshuaBardwell
@JoshuaBardwell Год назад
It zooms in on the sensor basically. It takes a smaller slice from the middle of the sensor.
@wubforceone
@wubforceone Год назад
would have been cool to see you try those things on other systems too to really drive home the difference and prove to the audience that the argument is valid. you do a wonderful job as always though.
@fuleo
@fuleo Год назад
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