Walksnail Avatar improving. DJI still the King. // 28.32.10 firmware test 

Damn son! Lot of effort has been put in here, as well as time spent setting up 3 systems and flying on a wide range of settings... appreciate you putting this together JB, nice work.

DJI has been in the game for a long time and continues to improve. The reason it’s still my top choice.

Great tests JB! I really enjoy how you and Chris Rosser take an analytical approach backed up with data to these tests. It gives everyone a sense of confidence instead of only your opinion (which we also value btw).

This video’s very thorough! Very helpful for us viewers. Well done! I have to agree, DJI is still the gold standard!!!

Thank you so much for all the test and data... it is really a tremendous amount of effort here and u truly are our gem within the FPV community! 🤩🤩🤩

Rly appreciate this JB! Thanks for the work you do!!

Wow finally the video everyone has been waiting to see. Great job Joshua.

Wow, very elaborate! Thank you so much! Proud to be your patron!

I love your content, and your shop! 😂 I wish I had one like that brother! Keep up the awesome vids

Hey, JB! Thats the video i was looking for! Great job! As always! You are #1 FPV youtuber as for me. I really appreciate your job. Best wishes and greetings from Russia!

Today is the day. Finally a pantreon member. I cant express how much i love your videos XD

Great Job it is hard to make some tests scientific but you have, keep up the great videos thank you

Thank you for your great comparison!!! Its great to be in FPV nowadays, but it is so hard to decide for which system (except if you have the money)

Nice job with the graph and capture card.

Excellent video! Also a great idea to put the test video's as an "attachment".

Brah been flying dji for like 2 years. Walksnail is good. Wish them the best. Keep in mind its only been a few months. They already have 2 vtxs. One 1s with 1080p onboard dvr, goggles and a module

Huge work ! Thank you 👍

Great video JB! Thank you

I'm not a huge fan of DJI as a company, so I was intently watching walksnails progress. When they launched the 1s vtx I bought the system and immediately sold all my DJI gear, only thing I miss is the 4:3 aspect ratio with larger vertical FOV.

Fantastic testing and comparison, Joshua! Thanks!!! 😃 It would be really interesting to see the graphs of DJI in 25 Mbit as well, compared to Walksnail! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

Coming from analog, I love the my new Walksnail system!

I don't like DJIs Corporate behavior. They might always deliver the better quality and performance, but I'd rather rely on someone who's closer to the community. So I'm going to buy walksnail in Jan or Feb.

been waiting for this

This is what I need right now. I would like to do an upgrade to one of these systems!

Fantastic comparison video. Very well done.

Super useful if you're in the market for a new system. Me, I'll stay with my dji V1 goggle and Vista as it's plenty good enough already.

Great comparison! All HD systems are great when you compare to the pile of analog comparison videos where JB flew the road.

I currently fly hdzero with corbra x goggles. I ordered walksnail standalone bundle, hope i don't regret it.

I preordered the vrx. I only have my 720 p cobra x googles, but I hope, like you said that, that it shoudnt matter to much.

Awesome job - hard to argue with your test results in this scenario. I still feel like the WalkSnail and DJI systems perform better with 4 x-airs, but, I am happy to see you upgraded the drone antenna, also this time. :) I plan to do a similar - less graphed out - less scientific range test of the 3 systems in my stomping grounds, also, soon. :) I always fly in 25mbps 700mw on both dji and walksnail, because I typically fly with others. Maybe this is why I always brag about WalkSnail - because I never fly dji in 50mbps. :)

Wow, nice work! In case of the O3 Air Unit the image with the Goggles V2 look stuttering and washed out. The Goggles 2 are looking absolutely beautiful. I am impressed by the Walksnail system too. Looks like you can totaly use it now compared to DJI V1. But O3 is from another world.

Walksnail has greatly improved image quality in a few months.....now they must improve their data transfer stability.....clearly they are not as good as DJI but they have shown a LOT of promise

I can’t believe how good walksnail looks I can’t wait to get my vrx module 🎉

I really struggle with the breakup behaviour of the caddx vista... the stuttering, randomly blurring parts of the pic out (especially my dark shadowy woodway I need to see) and the really slow recovery... In comparison the breakup behaviour of the O3 is amazing. Very quick recovery, evenly blurrying out screen, it appears to also not stutter or drop the latancy significantly. This is a pretty interesting choice to look at...

Great video comparing everything! What do you prefer for freestyle/ your daily driver now, vista or 03 and V2 or goggles 2?

just want to point at the fact that the TX antenna is on the top of the walksnail goggles. so we could expect better results by putting a patch on this sea connector instead of the two bottom ones... still, the quality of the o3 is great while always being too dark or too bright. I believe run cam split cameras didn't work because of the fact that you can't really film and have a good quality reception at the same time. I've ordered my walksnail goggles during the November sales and really not disappointed with them. I tried putting the patch antenna on the tx connector and it had better penetration... THANKS Joshua for those awesome tests because they can really show us what to expect from each system ! keep it up

Thank you Joshua, it's very informative. I have a question: why on v2 goggles color are much better than on o3 and image quality is also better on v2? when you fly above the asphalt it's clearly seen that v2 has no blockiness on the asphalt, but o3 shows asphalt pretty blocky and blurred..

Pushed like at the very start 😁

Patiently waiting for walksnail to add a hdmi or analog in so you can use any camera you want 👅

Really like my Walksnail system. 100% worth the money, in my opinion. Can't wait for the future to see what's next for the system.

Very nice!

You should cover remote ID and how the FCC is changing the hobby. xjet had a great video covering it and awareness is key in fighting back against the FCC regulations.

I really like the graphs you created from the SRT files. Can you make a graph of the O3 system Mbps and Latency vs time for the v2 goggles?

The V2’s still kick ass. Honestly still can’t go wrong with them.

Great Video as usual JB. My takeaway from this informative video is that if you want the best possible range and penetration O3 AU is the best. But overall I still believe the V1 Vista is winner because it has lower overall latency than both systems, maintains 50mbps bit rate, and is less likely to overheat in hot weather.

Great video - I'm a bit late but there you have it ;) I would have visualized the SRT files a bit nicer - you know me, but I guess my script somehow didn't work for you.. would be interesting to see if walksnail cought up by now. greets, Mario

Josh, this FW is 1 month old the newest from last week(5days old) is even better and RF is much more reliable. I was flying recently with 1 broken antenna on it and had extremely decent outcome(max 40ms latency) sure, full of studders and mB rate was all over the place but totally Flyable when you endit up with no other choice or different qwad. Plus now full canvas from osd can be seen in DVR.(and it is actually Official FW). Ps.love your videos and following for years(4+). Regards from cooold London.

You know Joshua it is so intresting in today FPV everyone do to high latency with DJI and low latency with ELrs 😂 like flying characteristics of fast egal flying with slow reaction of a turtle vision 😂all marketing.... i have crossfire with me DJI for cruising and for fast freestyle analog fpv with elrs best combination

Not quite the expected digital quality, I would say. I found the walksnail colours to be quite pale. I'v seen HDZero videos with quite better image, but the range cannot be compared. BTW great graph/chart !

Your the best

@joshua Bardwell, try with the 26.32.10. The one you have tested is just good for quality video not for penetration test. The one that i've give you give us better result !

Been flying the 03 air unit for a week with V2 goggles and love the improved image quality over over the Og vista and air unit. I have been move them happy to ditch my session 5 for the on board recording. No more SD card slow error! :)

so either goggles is compatible with any fpv camera you used same drone ? or each time you build a a new drone you have to stick with same system

good review. looks like I'll stick with my old DJI system with 720p goggles and WTF OS, not upgrading to new firmware which takes features away... Maybe Walksnail will be worth switching to when my DJI gear finally dies from old age.

@JoshuaBardwell , Can you please add to the video description what you used in addition to the USB HDMI cable in order to capture the video using your laptop? E.g. video capture adapter, software installed on the laptop Thanks!

From what I saw on your video/graph walksnail got worse borate at 50 than it does at 25mbits/sec. So from what I saw I know I'll be using 25mbits/sec as it's more consistent and get better lowest nitrate and even latency

Can you talk about manufacturing problems? My walksnail Vtx smoked for no reason then I bought another and it also smoked 😔, walksnail said they would replace ONE but I needed to send BOTH.

Hope the O3 shadow detail is better irl

I wish walksnail firmwares will go opensource.

I have DJI and Walksnail... And the Premium feeling that DJI gives is on another level... Walksnail is great and I used a lot to fly mini whoops, It's a lot of fun

Where can I get the updated antennas for the fat shark avatars? Links? And thanks for your help.

can you update the test with the vista with O3 protocol (new fimware).

New E-Bike?!? :D

I want to go digital soon, the only reason I'm going walksnail is because of the 1s vtx, I don't know why dji don't make one

Price difference is important. Please can you include it in any video. Thanks for this interesting review

Will the Fatshark Dominator HD pair with with DJI drones off the shelf?

This is a great side by side by side. Have you, or Chris, done this with HDZero & either of these systems?

Is the O3 air unit DVR footage being presented at 24 frames per second? Sorry if you mentioned it during the video, I was skipping around.

Update from Europe: it applies also outside the USA & DJI is forcing also remote ID in the EU…

Can i used my dji googles v2 with my cinelog 20 with walksnail avatar?

When DJI released the Avata, they positioned the Goggles2 only for this drone with no option to use anywhere else. I went out and bought Walksnail because of their compactness, the first version of DJI's goggles I didn't want to get because of the size. And recently DJI is releasing the O3 compatible with Goggles2 and moreover just recently making them compatible with Vista. And what kind of policy is it to say that there will be no compatibility and then make a release of a device which is compatible with these goggles? Basically I am happy with my purchase of the Walksnail, the glasses fit my face well but Goggles2 is said to have issues with them.

@Joshua Bardwell can you feel the latency difference between G2 and G v2 on the 03 AU?

Key operative statement….WS isn’t there YET!!….This system is barely 6 months old. They have plenty of time to catch up with continuing fw updates. Not sure if DJI has any more plans for the old Vista with fw updates or new cameras.

When you say "add" 5ms, is this at the screens full transition? I know a normal IPS/VA display panel can take 5 to 10ms to transition but OLED is closer to 0.1 to 1ms. This may be the difference between actual vs reported in goggles if the processor is measuring before sending off to display.

i was hoping for the graphs for DJI O3 vs DJI V2

The walksnail is a fixed 25mW. 200mW vtx the fatsharks 03 has more vtx's available ? Thats what i want . 200mW is for inside only

Anyone else went "FROG!!!" at 8:36 ?

I guess the toothpick - walksnail video is still not on youtube, right? :) (or I am missing something)

Hey JB, don't read this comment unless you want to read a video nerd out. Kind of for fun, with a nit pick. You do great work. I'm going to be that guy who nitpicks something. So video is a place I can provide professional input : This may not apply much to the software you are using but it still could apply to viewers and my alternative may also have this problem anyway. If I were to take my DaVinci Resolve output processing render farm and have 720p video output at 4k, the software, which is very very good, would take that 720p video and upscale, much like your software has. It do advanced interpolation to turn pixels into smooth 4k lines. I don't say AI interpolation because I don't think your software is likely usually machine learning to do its interpolation, but I don't know. Anyway, these days this software is so good, I mean truly remarkable, even in cheap software, that the 4k signal doesn't look to far off from native. So, there is a case to be made for uploading 720p native at extremely high, lossless bitrates. In fact, you may find that RU-vid would step on your video less, had it not been in 4k, and preserved your 720p stream better. Yes I know that less sentence now makes 4k sound worst. But you can see how it becomes a nightmare to control. 4k, wonderful up scaling, but RU-vid steps down more, who knows. Plus you'd may have this issue anyway, because of you upload native 720, people's devices with 4k screen will do their own up scaling, but in that case, at least not nearly as good. I think I'm going to write a disclaimer at the top saying don't read my comment unless you want to. Lol. Thanks as always informative sir.

I’m still flying with my V1 goggles A few months back all the drones I have with vista units stopped getting any range.. really bizarre I’m thinking about getting the new goggles.. all the drones with vistas and v1 air units will work with the new goggles(which should be called the v3🤦‍♂️😂) That should solve the issue.. and I want to grab a new 03 quad.. I know the dji quads make you enable remote ID but the prebuilt quads like an iFlight evoque don’t make you do it right? Think I’m gonna go head and grab the new system(integra goggles) I want use the new dji remote that way it’s all a closed system(I use the dji remote right now with all my drones) Might need to watch a video on that see what everyone thinks.. if the rang and latency is there I’ll use that Thanks for your videos Bardwell I always know I’m “gonna learn something”

Thanks. Now I'm wondering about latency on the Goggles 2 with the new firmware and 120 fps.

Were you able to set the time and date? I bought the walksnail 1S VTX in a BetaFPV Meteor 75 HD with the Avatar goggles. All the video files are 12-31-1999 23:59. I thought i just needed to set the time and date but I can't figure out how to do it. Then I read they don't support it?

What Walksnail need os HDMI input!

👍🏻👍🏻

Walksnail appears to be prioritizing latency over bitrate.

What happened to HDR? I feel like the cameras can't handle Sun blindings anymore. Walksnail and DJI...!!!

Wpuld the new pro cam from walksnail be any different?

> sets playback resolution to 2160p60 [ CPU FAN NOISE INTENSIFIES ]

What about long range, I mean over 10km. I think walksnail do a better job getting 40km against 13km from DJI. Is it correct ?

Walksnail does seem like a good option now, which is good, options are always good. But man....when I saw the image of the O3...hot dang....and the range just destroys walksnail and the original DJI goggles.

That video breakup with the fatsharks reminds me of tripping on acid or some good ecstasy.

sad that jb is missing the setup that matches most "group flyers"... as soon as you fly in groups you most likely would use 700mW at 25mbs to not disturb each other as well as have 7 channels for people to fly in... in my experience this is where walksnail really shines and even outperforms dji sometimes... but yes, in 1.2W or even just the 50mbs mode dji wins as walksnail still didnt fix them, bey are both kinda broken ^^

I cannot find a review for the goggles 2 on your channel. Am I missing it?

The walksnail has one maximum vtx power setting only ?

Assuming that Walksnail is reporting their latency correctly, it looks like Walksnail's reception algorithm is prioritizing the maintenance of the latency at the expense of bitrate, in comparison to DJI. Walksnail's latency is consistently around 10-11ms, where DJI is always 11-16ms. We need to bear in mind that Walksnail is probably, to a certain extent at least, also trying to compete with HDZero. Where HDZero claims always-low latency with significant compromise on HD Image quality, DJI has taken the opposite approach, and prioritized image quality above all else. Walksnail seems to be positioning themselves somewhere in the middle. Ultimately that leaves FPV fliers with three different choices, and can choose to suit their needs. Who knows? Perhaps Walksnail will come out with a firmware in the future that will allow switchable priority for people that want to swap between latency and image quality preferences.

I fly DJI and love it. Glad it is still holding up as compared to the new systems. Question though, I use the V1 goggles, will the new Air 03 still work with them?

Su walksnail l'antenna TX e una direzionale o la omnidirezionale?

Test 5: o3 is clearly not 120fps, its not even 60fps, looks more like maybe 30fps, test 6 shows a higher frame rate despite it should be less 100fps vs 120fps, overall much better picture quality compared to test 5

Hello! Can anyone help if the version 0607 of goggle v2 can be hacket for better signal? Like 700 ore 1200mw

I think you also should've mentioned the INAV compatibility, something that we care for long range flights. I cannot understand why DJI ruined an excellent feature that was achived in the previous generation.