I'm SHOCKED! $11,000 Mac Pro vs $11,000 PC! 

Netflix have been blocking 99% of VPN connections for a long time. Is PIA the exception or just a case of say anything for a buck?

What if you install Hackintosh inside this insane PC, and compare it with the Mac?

@@graeme5060 It really depends on country. I find that PIA cycles through IPs faster than other VPNs and so it does a pretty dang good job at flying under Netflix's VPN-detection stuff, but your results may vary.

Is MAC better at “user privacy” than a PC or is it just “marketing”?

On the memory management discussed here 11:39 It's a little bit more complex, Android apps are definitely written in JVM compatible bytes code ( Java/Kotlin targets), but when installed the code is transformed to device native code either ARM-V7/V8, etc, .... and this is true since Android 4.4 Kitkat The old Android architecture used Dalvik which was a little bit similar to what is explained in the video but now, with changes introduced in ART ( Android Runtime ), it's a mix of JIT and AOT. IMHO the feeling of fluidity of apps these days depend highly on how optimized they were made, independent of the OS they are running on. I think Apple does a good job of optimizing aggressively their native apps and since they control both the hardware and software, there's a lot more that goes on in internal direct machine code APIs that are not exposed to app developers ( My guess )

Haha I hope you wrote this comment on WiFi, or you would run out of data plan

Lmfao

Skip 10,000 dollar menu items at Mcdonalds and you'll be able to afford these items just fine.

danteyoutu LMAO 🤣

Dude I keep telling you, skip the apple pie! It'll save you $0.99

can you explain what specs are lol

I drive a car nearly every day but I can't tell you how many cylinders are in it, what type of air conditioning unit it has, or what its high speed is. Whenever someone calls me out on this, I ask them what chipset their phone is, but I don't do it as an insult, it's a simile. We all use technology every day that we don't know how it works. It's OK.

​@@gravytrainwithbiscuitwheels You should know how many cylinders your car engine has just as much as you should know what the specs of your computer are. A phone's specs don't matter to most people any further than how much storage is in it. When it comes to computers, you want something fast/reliable, you should know the specs. When it comes to cars, you should know what engine your getting for god's sake. Are you getting some trash 4 cylinder engine? Maybe a 4 cylinder with turbo boost technology? Or are you spending extra cash on a 6 cylinder? Or maybe you have no idea and overpaid for a car that has trash specs but you paid without knowing.

​@@pappbenedek8422 That's not my opinion. If you want to make informed decisions about what you're buying, it is simply a requirement. If you don't know something as basic as how many cylinders your car's engine has, how do you know if you're paying a good price or not? Yes, I don't really care about my phone's hardware - and I'm sure someone out there does. Different uses. A car is not such a minor purchase that you can say, "Well, I don't care what the car is rocking" as you get ripped off thousands of dollars. And obviously some people will look at specs for tablets and such because they need the power. If you're buying a computer, you should know the specs for the same reason you should know the specs of a car - to make informed decisions about how much you're going to be spending for what you'll be receiving. I don't understand why you're arguing about this. Would you rather blindly choose between computer A and B, or know which one actually makes more sense to buy? How about you take the sales representatives word for it that the extra $1000 for computer B is *definitely* gonna give you what you need :)

@@lelouchlamperouge8286 Eh, it would be more like comparing a Honda Civic and Toyota Carolla based on gear ratios of the transmission, engine compression, and a bunch of other specs which have no bearing if one car is better at taking you to work every day. In the end its going to be rather subjective as to what car you want to live with. I have been around these Mac vs PC arguments for over 20 years now and its all pointless, your computer's only purpose is to work for you. In the video he mentions that his editor prefers working on PC, so that is what he uses, but others prefer working on Mac. The annual labor cost of a full time editor is going to be far more expensive than either computer and whatever makes that editor work 'best' is going to be the way to go. If you already have a preferred eco system you really need a good reason to switch from one to the other. The Mac vs PC arguments are stupid because they are never a compelling reason for users to switch. For a production house of pretty much any kind, the computer hardware will be a rather minor expense compared to other expenses. $10,000 for a computer is a lot, but so is $200,000 for a camera rig. There are productions that have a six figure per day expense, the computer becomes irrelevant.

He tested that particular pro app, there's a bunch of other pro apps he could have used as well but its an inconvenience to have to purchase all apple apps and their PC equivalent and test them.

@Ankit Debbarma iOS perform well because they have all apps optimized, a mac it's not a gaming pc... you shouldn't even be comparing them

@Ankit Debbarma Mac OS* my dearest friend. On the other hand iOS destroys android :)

@@justxylo4135 so true

@Ankit Debbarma tbh iOS loses on paper but it's still a great pc, it doesn't need a lot of ram or memory to perform well because of their optimized app. The mac probably can be use as a gaming pc but it's not a gaming pc. It's like it's like saying a tablet can do a laptop work but it's not a laptop

Me wth intel integrated graphics with 128mb: Pathetic

how about some soy food

3090 with 24gb ddr6x. My pc is an absolute monster and it cost me about 2500 pound to build it. 3tb (1tb and 2 tb) nvme. 4tb ssd 8tb hdd. 16gb 3200 ram. My only downside is I have the i9 9900k and not a radeon cpu but that being said when your playing 4k 120 ish hz the cpu doesn't need to work as hard as the gpu

@@HHHomeless mine is more of a budget build made primarily for trying out the zen cpus that were sorta new when I started building my pc. Got myself a Ryzen 5 2600, 32gb of 3200 ram, 5tb in hdds, 1.5tb of ssd storage, a 10G ethernet card and a wifi6 card. Last week I upgraded the gpu to a r9 280X with a whopping 3gb of ram (ain't much, but at least it's not a 640 or a 710/730).

Well what should I say

Cant argue with the sleek and clean UI/UX though.

@@kneticnrg No UI is worth the Apple pricing standard 🤣

True hipsters use a mac analogue type writer

@@warlorddk2070 Really depends on how much you make I feel, just like how a $1500 t shirt seems insensible for me but millionaires could buy it without breaking a sweat.

While I’m still using my MacBook Air 2014 today. I do think for some people, they buy a Mac for the aesthetic. It’s this case with a lot of apple products.

11K pc made out of second hand parts, that you got way cheaper than from a store: "TROUGH THE WARP BROTHERS, FOR THE EMPEROR"

@@Cheezymuffin. uh, that was the retail price the company he borrowed it from was selling it at. what is with you people? did you not even watch the video? Hell, they even added lots of unnecessary bling JUST to bring the price close the Apple.

micheal hoffstater this video is basically comparing 2019 CPU to 2020 CPU which is not fair at all. Of course the 2020 Windows will outperform a 2019 Apple. Wait until apple releases a Mac Pro with an Apple SoC CPU or an AMD cpu in order to do a fair comparison

@@thomasneal9291 a lot of second had can go for lower than that. Like someone bought a 600 GPU and sells it after 2 years for 300 to 400 bucks.

@@thomasneal9291 He was following the theme of the comment he was repying to implying that you could get even more value by purchasing the parts used. not implying anything about the pc in the video.

Probably about why people still bought the mac

The difference that optimising the hardware + software combo to work well together made. I.e. the lower specced Mac competing with the more powerful PC because the software was using it more efficiently. OR the large amount of performance potential going unused on that beast of a PC by software that's not so great.

@@sugoruyo did u watch the video….

@@sugoruyo what?

LOL

Best comment ever LMAAOOO

FACTS!

@TrashPanda Raccoon what?

Cut through the infinity fabric of space-time?

I'd pictured Dr. Evil saying this doing the "quote" thing tho

Lmao

Underrated comment.

Saving this

Acronym* Initialisms are are pronounced one letter at a time. Acronyms are pronounced as it was a word

apple stans cling to anything to make their purchase seem wise.

Apple: we can do homework kinda good

Can the pc shred cheese tho

@@uncledrew4046 yes

Anddd for about half the programs that exist you'll need a virtual windows driver as we don't support anything else ( I use solid works and AutoCAD)

Sadly OSX doesn't really support threadripper, so you are limited to expensive Intel again. And no Quadro Card from Nvidia, too.

Or just use KVM. Its only like 3-8% slower than run natively

@@MaxxPlay99 That is very true only Intel and AMD graphics cards...BUT the price difference is still HUGE!!! (and the upgradeability...)

@@MaxxPlay99 Luckily there's such a thing as the Ryzen 9 3950X. Not nearly as expensive, granted, but it's 16 cores/32 threads vs. the same in the 11K Mac Pro, so still a nice comparison. Likewise, the Radeon VII is kind of a beast in DaVinci Resolve (even if it's underwhelming for other uses), so no need to rely on Quadro.

@@joshuatatro4503 He already did that.

Big fan

Right! It’s so pretty

Now do you want your Vega II back?

I love both of your videos 😀

I would love to see a video where actual commercial workstations like Dell or HP are compared to a Mac Pro. I’d expect the same low ROI on them too.

Ofc PC =)

Why?

I'm curious about the optimizations in linux these days. I used to run a dual boot windows/ubuntu system many years ago and back then the linux driver support was not the best. I always felt like I was leaving a lot of performance on the table in ubuntu. I'm assuming driver support is much better these days...is that actually the case though?

@@enzolaffitte04 I'm glad to hear that - makes me want to check it out myself. Thanks for the reply!

enjoy linux

@@enzolaffitte04 you mean "it is less heavy on the cpu" it's horribly optimized

😂

Your wife must be a Rem fan.

@@gilbertplays or a jojo fan

@@gilbertplays his wife has bad taste

Divorce

I think you mean 2 tabs. You Will need 300tb ram for 3 tabs

@Doge That was obviously a staged job, everyone knows Chrome is the black hole of RAM. Leading experts have long speculated when we can hope to open a fourth tab in chrome, but even the greatest of supercomputers couldn't calculate the amount of RAM that would be demanded. Some have hypothesized that the opening of a fourth tab would imbue the user with so much productivity, that they would immediately ascend to a new plane of existence.

Come on, lets be realistic: two tabs on Chrome.

what's so special about tabs I can open 10 normally

@@michaelgabriel1069 Umm... I'm running 32GB DDR4 3600 and a Samsung EVO M.2 and I run smoothly with 7 tabs frequently. And at least one of those tabs is RU-vid streaming. Oh, and it's all on Chrome. Now Edge, on the other hand, is trash.

Screw that guy, he's fake as hell

@@hillbillysamurai It works for what he needs, I don't see how he's fake.

People have different opinions isn’t it I’m sure you like windows

If your looking for trendy You cant beat Mac. If you want pure perfomance get a pc.

@@hillbillysamurai you're jealous

they're*

ok boomer

@@kohtaradash1553 whoa what a roast! be can never truly recover from this truly amazing use of your words! /s

@@kohtaradash1553 this is a 9 year old in his natural habitat calling anyone they can see post pubesant 'boomer' for no fucking reason

do i care?

@@supernovahm1178 you chose poorly lol.

@@supernovahm1178 did you get ddr4 5000mhz cl14 ram??? if so understandable issue have a nice day

@@supernovahm1178 Lmao what!? Please tell me you didn't. That's extremely overpriced.

Every Apple memory stick has been lovingly caressed my Tim Cook and spent 8 hours in the candlelit shrine to Steve. You can't put a price on that.

i play, recr and edit at 8GB ra\m and i am perfectly fine with it.. he is dumb.. stupidmac-pro dumbas..

apple b

Yup. Running a business that might be a question you have to ask yourself and then you make the decision that is the most cost efficient. The answer probably depends on many variables.

yep

Yeah PC wins again, what a surprise

@Erwyn Puynen Probably from apple losing horribly in every benchmark except for one where it barely came out ahead against a machine that costs $1000 less ,in an application that probably 0.0000001% of people will use. This video is way too diplomatic about the situation. He probably could have knocked $6,000 off the cost of that build and still beat the Mac in every real world metric.

yea mechanical disks

LMAO, I had about 10 or so PCs over about 20+ years and NOT a single one lasted more than 2 or 3 years MAXIMUM, and had CONSTANT problems (screen freezing, slow & buggy, tons of error messages, etc.) from day 1 on Meanwhile I got the MacBook Pro I am typing this on in December 2013 for about $1,000 (a mid-2012 with i5 processor, 4GB RAM [that I've since upgraded to the 16GB maximum] and a 500 GB hard drive [that I'm planning to upgrade to an SSD if/when this COVID-19 pandemic ever ends] and MacOS Catalina) and almost 7 years later it is still going strong, with barely any problems! I mean yes there is some issues with the keyboard that are totally my own fault (I was trying to clean some dust/lint under the keys, and did something [I'm not sure exactly what] such that the number 1 key doesn't work or keeps getting pressed when its not touched & also a couple other keys need the caps replaced -- but these issues was easily solved by substituting a wireless Bluetooth keyboard instead) and also, about 1/2 of the hinge holding the screen attached to the keyboard cracked and broke off (though I don't know when or how) so I usually have to lean the back of the screen up against something (like the arm of the couch) when using it, until I can take it in to get fixed once this COVID situation is over or at least under better control. But other than these 2 issues (the keyboard, and the screen) my 7 year old MacBook Pro is still BLAZING fast compared to even my BEST Windows PC on the FIRST or SECOND day I had it. Mac is like NIGHT and DAY compared to PC and I will NEVER go back to PC, and even if I can't afford a new Mac, I'd rather buy a 2nd-hand used or refurbished Mac than go back to Microsuck Windows buggy virus-ridden crap!

@@atimaxavitna8565 My PC story is somehow comparable, so I decided to share it with you. In April of 2014 I was buying first PC paid with my own money. It also had i5 processor, but 8 GB of RAM already. I also decided to take SSD instead of HDD (btw. I don't think there was EVER produced any consumer-level HDD, which you could say "is still going strong" in 2020. This tech is just too slow!). For all that I paid equivalent of approx. $600 (checked exchange rate from that time). Since then I added GTX970 and bigger SSD for another $600. Together for about $1,200 over 6 years I have a PC which is still more than enough for work, fun and some simple gaming. I was re-installing Windows only once, while upgrading W7 to W10. It's true though, that macOS has some nice aesthetics and is less likely to be broken by user, which may be important for you, if you were somehow able to break Windows in less that 2 years of usage. Cheers!

@@atimaxavitna8565 You're assuming PC's run only windows. Just switch to Linux and it is far superior to any Mac.

@@atimaxavitna8565 the pc is not meant for you layman users. Stick to mac

@Smiley Boi its a mac its shit

@bla bla bla Stop talking like a mighty politician when you're talking about 11000 dollar rip off Macs lol, just sounds like bla bla bla noises coming out from your mouth.

Nizar Nizar The codecs and handling thereof in macOS and on Apple hardware vs a PC running Windoze is what the test at the end was all about. The problems with PC aren’t the hardware. It’s that fastfood OS forced on you. Windows is junk and it’s obvious that MS can’t switch to a Linux or UNIX variant kernel fast enough. Unfortunately porting that bloat OS to a decent kernel and getting it out to the public for mass consumption will take forever. It may not even be feasible when you compare time vs benefit. Meanwhile Apple’s eco system runs natively on a multitude of architectures and is built on a modern kernel. macOS running on ARM now outperforms Windows on an x86 platform. That’s what’s happening and it will just get worse as Windows will be forever stuck in the past. Hey, at least you’ve got flashy RGB disco light cases!

@bla bla bla Look how much you have to write to defend a 11000 waste of money LOL, bla bla bla is all I see. So sad that you pay that much for something that is like 5 times slower for the same price if not cheaper, looks like the price point has gotten to your head!!!

@bla bla bla Nothing old man, I'm still in school, while you're wasting your life arguing with kids and satisfying my attention seeking about 11000 rip off trashcans hahaha, you're still stuck in the 2000 era when Steve Jobs was still alive

It's been better yes but it's still crap compared to other editors. I switched to a M1 Mac and Davinci Resolve and the performance boost is insane.

@@Aviciiz how is your heat management. My buddy got an m1 a few months ago and he says it's constantly overheating and has trouble editing raw 4k footage while I have a custom PC and can edit 4k with 20 layers of effects and my computer doesn't even sweat.

@@kamilm6616 It’s pretty good, it only heats up a bit when rendering. Idk if your mate used Premiere and what type of raw. I know R3D Raw works better with premiere than other editors

lol my thoughts exactly. To say 11 seconds is "outperforming" is a long stretch; within the margin of error I'd say. The cheese grater got Vince Carter'd.

You dont wanna hurt your sponsors too much

I can personally not afford to pay 10K for a Mac (or PC for that matter), but (because of all the problems I kept having with multiple high-end and optimized PC builds) switched to mac (a second market Mac Pro mid 2010) for my music productions, to test if this would do the trick. I honestly will never go back to PC for my music productions. Never a performance issue, literally never had a crash, didn't had to upgrade anything in years. For anything else I use PC's here. So I totally agree with the final statement of this video. It's what works for you. I couldn't care less if one of my cheaper PC's will utterly outperform my old Mac on so many levels. It's no longer important if I have to pay more for a specific machine, if it means I can work without ANY issues day in day out for years and years. In the end (def if you run a business), you work with hardware that works for you. :) I think that simply is the point many people find hard to understand.

@@AGMediaNL I think everything you said is a generalization that people make about consistency and optimization not favoring PC's. PC's are a direct reflection of the work you do or don't put in; ie if your PC runs like crap its probably your fault. The reason ppl are adamant about Mac's isn't solely the price discrepancy, it's the fact that Apple seldom makes an effort and expecting a significant jump in quality/performance with relation to their price points is wishful thinking.. I totally understand music production being better for you on macOS - by all means use their products if thats your thing but outside of a few niches their product lineup is a joke. I've spent close to 10k on macs but after building a PC a year 1/2 ago I'll likely never buy another mac again unless they make significant improvements to the Macbook Pro. The complacency of loyal apple users is what allows them to get away with things they shouldn't get away with.

@@EriksWorld14 Totally agree with you on many points there, don't get me wrong. :) Based on problems others had aswell with their PC's in regards to heavy music productions (and the comments from people who didn't, while using Mac) I simply decided to try it. In the end it turned out to work better for me. :) I paid $1400 for it, so it was also not really that crazy compared to some of my PC's. I don't care much about Apple products in general. For your situation a PC turned out to be a better solution, for my music-situation it turned out to be a Mac. And that was the point of that last statement, which I think is the only thing that actually matters in the end.

This is subjective to software being used and some hardware as well. For instance, Wacom tablet support is much, and i mean MUCH better on a mac. They are more responsive, follow your strokes far more smoothly and are there for far better to use than on a pc. This is speaking from years of experience with having a mac at work, and a PC at home. (been using PC´s since swapping my Amiga 4000 for a Pentium 90 box, and using a Mac at work since the PowerPC days, or around ca. 1993) Ever since Microsoft put the ink/tablet pen support into windows natively, using a wacom or any drawing tablet has become a clusterfuck of driver issues, unresponsive detection of pen strokes and a plethora of other issues. Sometimes you get lucky and everything works fine on the PC with a wacom tablet, but most times its constant little issues that drive you insane in the end. Also, a business really does not care if a computer workstation is 4000 or 11000 dollars in the long run. Issues and bad support over time costs far more than that. Apple has been known to be very good in this regard and that is one of the main reasons professionals choose the platform. The same reason large scale businesses buy pre-made HP machines and the like. Custom building each machine in a large office is not cost effective in the long run when you include having to have more tech support staff and work loss if a machine goes bad. I have never understood this bad blood from pc users towards the macs to be honest, since most of the comments come from hobbyists and amateur/low end professionals which will always be looking at bang for the buck on purchase rather than long term. But yes, I do agree that the mac pro base model could have been much better set up when it comes to cpu and gpu specs given the price, but the hassle free, super silent and consistently reliable performance of the machine is a large plus in a work heavy pro environment. Also... no self respecting professional studio will use a hackintosh due to support issues.. That being said.. I am a PC man, which is why I have one at home. But I understand why the mac is as popular as it is.

@@latinumbavariae damn that sounds like years of frustration

@@Rolenz business really does care if the HW costs 4k or 11k. IT is run on tight budgets in most businesses. And also IT enterprise professionals tend to hate Apple, because it lacks automation capabilities of windows/linux

@@Rolenz Wrong. Most professionals use macbooks because their company will provide them. And their company won't just provide them because "they win out on support over time" (that shit doesn't even make much sense lol), it's because Apple does one really smart thing: it makes contracts with a lot of big/med/small sized companies to sell them macbooks with a relatively good discount, and include a few free services with them. The majority of people working on them don't do it because "it's superior" (talking about dev/qa mostly), but because it's provided. Indeed, at my company (more than 1k employees), the majority of them hate their provided macs. Some companies are actually starting to deny the apple contracts nowadays though, because their hardware has way too many issues and breaks way too often, and while the contracts usually offer repair services, the costs pile up way too much. At my workplace mac users constantly have issues with their software, random reboots, the top touch bar thing keeps bugging out and borderline breaking, the touchpad becomes unresponsive, their updates takes ages, they randomly lose their configurations, and lately more often than not the macos upgrades break everything lol. It's so bad that they legit have to replace A LOT of them after even just one year. Meanwhile, us PC guys work more or less the same thing on windows machines that run 24/7 and are having none of the issues the mac crowd is having. And now with WSL2 on win10 the need for the "macos cli" has become a joke lol. You don't need a half and half like macos when you can have the best GUI (windows) and the best CLI (linux) running natively.

It’s because there are more games for windows, so more performance possibilities. (Short term)

Thank you!!

Thanks so much!!

True that. It’s what I’ve always loved about that snazzy iPhone guy!

The fact that it's not a complete fanboy look into it is what makes it shine.

tastymonkey This is why I like his channel as well. He shows us why a PC or any computer is useful.

Apple fans can rejoice. Apple is finally tailoring to their peoples.

You have the facts, PCs almost ALWAYS give you more compute power for your money which is how you should buy.The only reason you'd deviate from this is if you NEED Apple only software.

Comes down to : Do you use an apple only application the majority of the time on a PC? Do you need the speed for (insert reason) for that application? If no then get a PC.

@@TheRussellStover if you need speed for a multi OS app, the money you saved on a windows machine can be used to upgrade it. So it's pretty much if you need an apple only app.

Pc. Game while you render.

The main thing for me is that EVERYTHING is upgradeable on PC!!! While on Mac, just forget it...You can only change the HDD/SSD and RAM (and even these have to be specific in order to work on Apple computers). So the choice is very easy! 🤣 Plus you can get a much better PC for the same price too so why bother with Apple?

Why windows though?

macOS Big Sur: Allow us to introduce OURselves

ARM: Allow me to introduce myself

Linux users: Hold my beer

Hola!

diapers during upgrades - allow us to introduce ourselves

only as he fail to say anything bad about apple, he was too pro-apple, miss out a lot like software that will not work on apple or software that not over-optimized for apple. I would love seen this video done in a more fair way.

@@A51UK I agree with you, this video is *very* generous in favor of what's essentially an overpriced $3000 workstation but with a cheese grater panel, but my point is that it has actual arguments as supposed to just apple magic.

@@A51UK if he showed u the numbers then it's fair enough, what u conclude is up to u, some people concluded that my 11k spent is worth it, others concluded that pc is still much better cuz even on the optimized software, apple only did marginally better than the pc which is actually much cheaper

@@A51UK He failed to say anything bad about apple? Have we watched the same video? "miss out a lot like software that will not work on apple or software that not over-optimized for apple"? so all the graphs where the PC destroyed the mac didn't exist then?

@manditheos mind you, all the rgb stuff and custom watercooling are there because his intent was a $11k pc, not something that went to the same exact things. the fact that he had to spend a whole lotta extra money on rgb and cooling because he capped on the rest of the hardware specwise is even more of a dump on apple

Exactly. Overall, the PC demolished the Mac Pro.

That ain't a PC... That's a freaking jet

Very true, but the question becomes what other scenarios you're thinking of in which those spec differences will produce noticeable results. Certainly not standard web browsing and productivity. If you're going to use the Mac Pro JUST for Final Cut Pro and standard tasks, it becomes a good option. And surely the engineering of the casing deserves some weight. It does make things easier. Not saying it's overall a better computer, but there's definitely some market where it's the better choice, even if niche.

Nathan very niche indeed. I personally use macs for 12 years now with xcode, final cut pro and some logic pro which are very popular amongst pros. I recently dumped most adobe products in favor of affinity and it makes a world of difference even on 4-5year old hardware. So I would say software optimization is what makes a system work, not really the specs. I might be biased but the results are what's important.

I think this was a very fair way of comparing. He's exactly right, it depends on what you use it for. I personally use PC's for office work and Macs for media and unix/programming work because when I try to use the other one for that task I just don't get as much done. Use the tool that's right for the job or that you get the most done with. For people who make their living working a certain way, the price difference is easily justifiable if they are more productive.

Hey very nice thumbnail The reflection of the light from the pc Falling on his hair very nice

A great one!!

my imaginary one does 1+1 with no problem

oi its you again

How do people not get that this is a joke

Sanchir Golf can I as k you are you love Mac Pro or pc

How’re u in every video I watch

Thanks so much, Peter! I try my best to keep up. 😊

I've honestly never thought of him as an apple fanboy, he's been that one RU-vid channel which I can confidently say likes apple but also knows where to point out their flaws. The perfect balance

@@alolanstarboy I said "a bit of an Apple fanboy", not a big one. ;) It was a very superficial impression. Links to his videos kept popping up, I heard a few things about him on other channels...I subscribed to his channel after I watched a few videos and I also noticed that he has a great sense of humor and he still listens well to his audience which many people stop doing when the channel gets to that size.

@@peterjansen4826 I never really said anything about how much of an apple fanboy he was. Not really my point

Yeah, I tought he was a die hard apple fanboy

If he were to build that pc spec for spec without the custom watercooling etc itd be way cheaper. Its not even a contest honestly

Yeah, there's at least $2k in that Custom cooling setup including labor cost to build. The raw cost of the system would likely be in the $7,000 region, so realistically here you're comparing a $7,000 PC to an $11,000 Mac, which shows you gain up to 1% performance in very specific programs.

@@Nitedontdie Within the 11 grand for the Mac, labor cost is also included. So in that way, its a fair comparison. Still overpriced tho.

@F a Oh, so 5k parts + 2k cooling/labor?

@@hyphendev4133 labor cost isnt included when building a custom pc yourself.

@Crab Cowboy 1 Nothing more to say.

you are pure cringe please stop 🤢🤮

@@healthedoc4638 yes you are cringe

For those that don't know, that PC has at least a couple grand on cooling/RGB.

@Splendid I guess it also depends where you are from. It'd be around 1200usd for me for a custom hard loop with decent parts.

You could probably just also use the 32 core AMD and still beat the Apple like a dead horse.

Same

omg same

And its still cheaper than what Apple charges

The m1 air is a great device

indeed

😂😂😂 yo wtf

AHAHHAHHAHAHHA

LMFAO LOOOL I'm proud to be a Windows user :)

why yall fight about pc’s and macs :( they r both good for people who prefer them

たほたちTahoTachi I honestly like how the Mac looks lol, I would build a pc with that case

Lol

apple fan bois can lick everything apple throws at them

It has better air flow than most pcs lmao

@@Samuel-oh3hm bwahahaha thermaltake core p5 that's cute

Agreed 100%. FCPX needs more compositor options. It’s awesome that Fusion is inside Resolve.

As someone who does compositing in Fusion I'm not all that happy about the UI change this integration brought. We now can't really can't customise out layout and constantly hunt functions in menus that used to be in the main UI. Also, the performance overhead of running resolve is staggering with high rez projects, you reach the limits of your hardware way faster, and stability starts to go downhill. So for specialist work, standalone Fusion is still absolutely vital. Although maybe Motion isn't used all that much for specialist work, so that point may be moot.

Julien Rodewald I agree the UI in Fusion could use some work. Creating Fusion titles is kind of a nightmare to me. However, the inspector panel looks incredibly similar to Motion. Regarding speciality work, Motion can handle quiet a bit. Advanced keyframing with expressions (behaviors), 3D text, tracking, simulations, etc. With MotionVFX’s MO2, you can do complex 3D animations at the level of Elements 3D. And a lot this runs smooth on even a 13in MacBook Pro. I’ve been hoping Fcpx would integrate Motion as a workflow extension (kind of like a floating hud). I think this would help get more people into motion graphics and animations.

I remember the days that Shake ruled the roost for compositing. Then Apple discontinued it and Nuke became its spiritual successor.

TalesOfWar yeah that was strange. After the takeover I kind of expected all that goodness to end up in Motion but alas no.

This. People who think AE is still hot shit are probably still into Flash websites.

eno88 so what's the alternative (to come)?

@@rainzzzzzzzzz again, this.

@Gap if youre paying for any of these programs your opinion is invalid lol.

nuke >>>

If you're talking about the kernel neither of them is Unix. They're both Unix-like.

@@PhobosTK MacOS is closer since it has its roots (Darwin) in BSD. I prefer System V unix and I believe Oracle is still giving Solaris away for non-commercial use. I still run it on an old E4500.

@@rich7447 That's kinda the point. It's a bit closer, but not quite Unix. Yet the overall package is sorta of a mess. My first pc ran either sunOS 5 or solaris and it was really interesting for what it was (especially when everyone was still using winXP), but I switched to OpenBSD and SuSE as soon as I got a good internet connection. Nowadays I use arch for both my main gear and my server.

@@PhobosTK I started in Telecom software (C/C++) in the 90s and the three big unix players in the industry at the time were Solaris, AIX and HPUX. I ended up working primarily in Solaris on Sparc platforms which explains the System V preference. At home I only have the one true Unix machine and it rarely gets switched on due to the amount of power it uses and heat it produces. All my x64 servers (NAS and media) run Ubuntu Linux (with x86 machines I went through the normal BSD, Slackware, Redhat and even tried QNX at one point). My only complaint with Ubuntu 18.04 is the frequency of updates.

@@PhobosTK BTW, if you know anyone in the Mid-Atlantic that wants an E4500 and a couple of FC disk arrays let me know. Free to a good home.

The wheel cost 700$. Their price was upped

spending a lot of money on a computer is a worse investment than buying a brand new car

@@bspringer They're $400 if you buy them with the Mac Pro, and $700 if you buy them separately.

@@bibasik7 ah ok

I also want a computer with wheels, Teslas are really good

Not really, they're slowly working towards universal IOS apps.

@@_nom_ You just dismissed what he was saying by adding something that Apple decided to talk about after the news broke that they will make their own CPUs, what you are talking about is a byproduct of having Apple Silicon. You just shut someone down instead of adding to his point, let guess the reason, it's coz you're a free thinker

@@thor.mukbang every teen friend I know cares about performance and # of cores

@@thor.mukbang The only apps my friend group cares about are social media apps :/ which is why we use iPhones, but as far as computers we care way more about specs because we basically only game on them apart from doing schoolwork, which obviously still works fine.

Well said. If it weren’t for the fact that Apple is trying to keep entirely in house, I’m sure Apple would be ditching Intel and switching to Ryzen processors. However, due to thermal constraints I think Apple would have a lot of issues trying to utilize those chips without a louder or larger cooling design. I think Apple silicon is a good idea for their tablets and phones, but I doubt the performance will be matched on the desktop and laptop front to anything that intel and AMD will offer. But I guess we’ll see what the future holds.

As many people say, no matter how, just make sure it is there. But don't do a Verge.

Actually it matters how The one here was not optimal

That's an X with dots pattern. Cisco recommends this pattern for use with their Xeon based servers. For the larger CPU's the blob method isn't enough to get coverage.

@@zachbrown7837 It's not the recommended application for Threadripper here though

It's not so much that it's cleverly coded, it's specifically built to run on a specific OS and the very limited amount of hardware that OS supports.

Yeah, I'm surprised the difference, being as drastic as it was was as close as it was. Seems like you should get a PC if you prefer the PC tools and want to be able to game. Or get a Mac if you don't care for gaming and/or prefer the Mac tools. Neither of which applies to me, but maybe next time I buy a laptop I'll feel less guilty for considering the Macbook Pro. :)

@@joroshiba That's pretty much what I meant by cleverly coded. It's essentially just coding specifically for a certain environment. Which I see as clever.

I built my own PCs and PCs for friends and family until about 15 years ago when I switched over to Mac and I've never regretted it. I love my Macs. Recently, I've gotten into creating 3D art with Blender on my Mac Mini and decided I wanted something that renders faster. I looked at the possibility of getting a Mac Pro, but I don't want to spend at least $6,000 for it. So, I decided to go with building myself a PC again for the first time in 15 years. I built one with an AMD Ryzen 9 3900X, 32 GB of RAM, and an Nvidia RTX 2060 Super. It all cost me about $1500. It's crazy to see that the Blender BMW demo file renders in 125 seconds on the $11,000 Mac Pro at 7:53. My $1500 PC renders it in 32 seconds (granted, the Mac Pro can't take advantage of Blender's Optix). But, even my $1500 PC's Cinebench score beats the $11,000 Mac Pro's Cinebench score and is on par with it on the Geekbench 5 generic multicore score. I'm still a Mac guy, but just nice to know that I definitely made the right decision specifically for running Blender.

And the software probably will expire in a year in the Mac one.

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lmaooo

The repair support is real, but it’s gonna cost $15-$170 for 2 years or $0.99-$3.99 every month (depending on product). The support is actually awesome, and most of the time they just recycle and replace your device instead of repairing it when the possibility that the problem can remain is there.

If you like your Windows or Linux machine, fine, go right ahead. But don't talk shit about stuff you have no idea about. This should be biblical.

Their new iPhone 12 breaks itself if you try to repair it

@Matt g they do

@@hoshimiyaeki what component breaks when you try to replace it

If u are talking about entry level, (air) macbooks does not have any area where they excels, and they build quality is kinda low, so unless u are stuck with apple soft, never buy a AIR

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Alexander Coral hehe. My core2duo finally booted up today

My a6 6710 played solitaire today

i can't read

I can't write

Same

yeah me too

Ah, but it's OPTIMIZED junk!

Expensive junk lmaoooooo 😂😂😂😂

@@michaelhoffman9573 getting the express pass for the scrapyard be like

@@Cat4evr hahah good

Bear in mind the cost of the case and watercooling and RGB and the man hour from main gear is definitely not cheap.. cut a few thousand dollars and it will perform the same with a less flashy machine.

Plus the option to game while waiting a long render to finish.

If you like MacOS (and it's programs) more then get a Mac, if you like Windows more or don't care about your OS get a pc. That's what he tried to convey.

@@PrismFoxes or you could ignore Windows entirely and install Linux... on the PC and really get performance.

@@menotu000 found the linux user.

Apple fan here and I saw this video and it was one of the best PC vs mac videos. The bottom line is that if you like a windows pc then use it and if you like a mac then use that. Why would you or anyone care what some random dude in the internet uses for his or her daily work?

@@armeli actually no one cares if you use mac but we do care when we see Apple fans say their products are the best and superior to everything when they don’t even know what specs their mac is using or anything about computer hardware

@@meyr1992 I actually see the exact opposite of this lol. The windows fanboys are very very toxic about Apple products. And a lot of them don't even give a good reason why. But hates it just because they don't like the brand for some reason.

@@Justin-yc3eb they're overpriced as fuck. That's the reason.

@Erwyn Puynen lmao, the only toxic man is you here. Now go on, make Apple more money.

Yup it looks like they signed some 20 year deal with intel when they were transitioning to them

Workstation class chips are totally different ballgame, let's wait and see how apple scales up their architecture, it'll be amazing on laptops but for high performance PCs , we'll have to wait and see.

Intel designed CPU's based on Apple's designs and then Apple had them run at over 90c nearly all the time under most loads. Apple also didn't put the best CPU's in their computers either. Intel deserves some criticism, but not all of them Apple is more to blame than anyone for the Mac Pro's terrible base spec and price.

@Michael Kevin Millet I wouldn't be comparing a computer that doesn't exist yet with one that does.

@@adwaitsharma6915 "it'll be amazing on laptops" without any actual hardware or third party benchmarks it's way too early to tell.

I have really mixed feelings TBH. I hate Apple’s hardware policies (repair, primarily), but I love their software policies (particularly privacy focus). Apple’s privacy stances are SO much better than everyone else’s. They do use it to justify their hardware premium- they don’t monetize the user or collect user data and even block third parties from collecting user data- but the hardware premium is SO high that it’s hard to say if it really justifies it. I tend to buy Apple laptops (not really repairable anyway and I notice the build quality differences) and build my own desktops.

@@chrismarinohardin9929 they collect your data and they sell your data as everyone else does. Also they are not blocking third parties data collectors. If you want to go private use tor and lots of vpn otherwise you are fooling yourself

@@holesmak as you said. Personally I don't really care about privacy policies that much. When there's privacy settings I leave everything as default...

@@ytfeelslikenorthkorea what do you mean you might die in a year? No clue about the reasons but don't be so pessimistic! As for the dilemma... I'd say it's pretty simple. MacOS is for people who want to be safe and have an easy to use environment at the cost of money and freedom, Linux is ultimate freedom but poorly supported by many applications and hard to use, while Windows is a way in between costing little compared to Apple, giving significant freedom and being relatively easy to use (especially the latest versions). The biggest problem with windows being security. 95% of viruses target windows after all.

@@ytfeelslikenorthkorea well I suppose that if you only use light applications it makes sense to make the jump. Any system would work fine with those. I'd have an harder time because I like the freedom that Windows gives, and I also play games that don't even exist on either Linux or MacOS... anyway good luck with your MRI, I hope the tumor was successfully removed entirely!

xD

Not true if you are an enthusiast tho

So are you to everyone that is a Johovahs witness :p.

Which hammer gets the job done, a cheap hammer, or the most expensive hammer? The best ones are usually reasonable priced.

more like; anyone who buys an apple is a tool

@@visceraeyes525 I buy apples every week, granny smith no1.

Especially considering the PC could be built with near identical performance, but less flashy and custom built for less than $5k, almost definitely.

Plus after effects and final cut pro are incomparable

EXACTLY

@F a meant same performance not same parts(motherboard)... But ok... Just an estimate

@@chanceslaughter3237 more like 7k but yea

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And he still finished off by suggesting Apple was at least as good, because of a couple of well optimised applications. What a joker...

With apple you need to be wise with how you spend your money. 1000 dollars for 64 Gigs of ram… no! In other words they’re a hit or miss. Go with a thousand dollar m1 mac mini and you’ve got yourself a damn powerhouse