I'm tired of all the LIES. 

Were you the DvJ player?

@@ChristopherWaddelow really using our brains here aren't we

@@venkkat3863 nah, you can use your own brain, I'll use mine

GGs! Would love to play more sometime 😁

@@ChristopherWaddelow bro, you struggling to understand how grammar works huh?

myguy malding when he thought deji is just a scrub strat abuser.

LTG fundamentals are good. MainManSwe agrees having fought him.

⁠​⁠@@chiiheiral5365 To be fair their matches we’re border line unplayable 200+ms 2f delay 2-3f rollback. It could’ve went either way fr

​@@noobslayer1196 solid fundamentals wont save you from a bad mental

@@noobslayer1196bro pretty much plays fighting games for a living. It’d be a goddamn embarrassment if he didn’t have good fundamentals. Also the dude crumbles under pressure so hard. He’ll bitch about his opponent mashing while mashing into plus frames.

For sure dude. If people could figure out all the answers to every problem in fgs in the first few months then fgs would be very boring, lol. Some of that modern social media/skinner box brainrot at work, people want shit to be figured out up front.

Genuinely. There was a time in Tekken 7 where i painstakingly practiced throw breaks vs Drag and now I don't even think about it when i break throws. Practice really does make perfect.

Very nice to hear that. You lab or rewatch your matches or you got better just by playing? And which rank you could reach?

Aye brother I agree wit most of what you said. But how come when i throw a kick and someone does a throw they snatch up my leg without trading hits

Ik this isnt like a glitch or anything but it makes me outrageously heated

Case in point, most of Phi’s twitch chat was barely paying attention to his lesson and were too busy bickering about how strong or weak DVJ is 🤦🏻 smh lol People get so hung up on character strength like there’s a huge gulf between characters and it’s just not true. I think we’ve seen plenty of character variety in T8 tourneys already. Especially compared to the end of T7 where it was Kuni, Feng, Akuma, and Geese in most top 8s. People don’t want to admit that the balance is pretty good because then it’s all on them and their lack of skill and work in preparation.

Agreed! I find myself doing it sometimes and I have to remind myself that I'm just raging and the real problem is my performance or knowledge of the matchup. that's the only way to keep learning and improve otherwise you stay tilted the whole time you're playing and end up hating yourself and the game.

Agreed 100%! In four months I've made it to Tenryu (first Tekken I've done ranked for) and I feel like my movement skills are JUST now beginning. I still have so much to learn and improve on and I've played something like 2000 matches now. Sounds like a lot but it really is not.

The man was pushing buttons and didn’t do anything wrong. Snort

Don't forget michael murray if you count paraphrasing.

Yes I'd love that!!

this video doesnt change how stepping linear moves and getting clipped... "improved movement" stepping got buffed and so did tracking.. which means stepping didnt get buffed.

Did you just say that Devil Jin is pretty good... Come on man lol

Bro you devil jin mains are annoying Dudes a gimmick character anyway who can fly

Facts

The game does have a big inconsistency problem though. And the aggressive noob friendly nature of the game doesn’t help some of these negatives the game has.

yeah basically people say its scrubby because scrubs who don't know how to play the game are mashing

Can confirm, I'm a scrub

Also if pros are having trouble with the game and are saying the game has problems, not every complaint can be resolved with “scrubs are bad at the game”. It’s like this argument has bo middle ground lol

Why shouldn’t it be that way? This is a new game going in a new direction. Either you adapt or get left behind. I don’t think there is anything wrong with the direction it has taken. Will people complain? Sure. But in previous Tekken games many new comers were complaining that legacy knowledge made coming into the game extremely unfun and daunting. Can’t please everyone.

@@merikijiya13 like i said, i am new so i can't really talk about anything other than my own perspective which is: this game is the most fun i have ever had, while also being the hardest game i ever got into.

@@KripticHCS I’ve been playing since T3 and I’m loving it. A lot of people are complaining about the difficulty of transitioning to the new play style because legacy knowledge is less valuable. But even the professional who complained about it admitted then just need time to adapt.

@@merikijiya13 yeah, i back your perspective. Sometimes it sucks to adapt to a new playstyle in a franchise you main but it isn't always for the worse. Had similar issues with my old main franchise but all you can do is adapt or be left behind

Also Tekken King in 2 months!? That’s impressive. You might be like a legit prodigy cuz that is most certainly not normal. Who knows maybe you’ll be in some Tekken tournaments in the future.

Omg I forgot tysm youtube.com/@phidxunhinged?si=QAXM7RM3iOI0r0rf

TOMORROW IS THE DAY 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

Unless he already filmed a vid offstream talking it over, pretty sure he's just been spamming victor on ranked for the past like 4 -5 days. Granted I haven't watched every second of the vods, but the titling of the streams would also suggest it. Here's to hoping he talks about it today!

Bros glazin on it… tag me in ur getting tired phiiiiii when’s the patch vid 😩😩😩😫😫😫😫😩😩😫😩

The patch video is out.

Every player is different. You must adapt every game. Some people throw a lot. Some people do a lot of lows. Some people duck a lot. Some people know the matchup extremely well. Adapt every time.

@@merikijiya13 its difficult if people one and done you tho. And i need to know answers for thousands moves is what my main problem is. I love adapting, conditioning and mind games, is just kinda difficult without knowing all the properties of all of those moves

@@newphonewhodis7152 it’s suppose to be difficult. That is what makes the victories rewarding. That’s what I love about Tekken. The complexity and difficulty.

bf2, df2, cd 1+2, but the risk of b1 is stopping him

Not necessarily. Chikuren himself said he has found success with opting to use backdashing instead of kbd. Just because the movement has changed doesn’t mean it’s dead. I see a ton of the tekken community use such inflammatory language. “It’s dead” “that characters cheating because he has that one really good move” “throws are broken” like calm down it’s not that bad.

Dragunov's biggest weakness is sidestepping and ducking, two of the most demanding things for new players in any Tekken game.

People crying about dragunov suck at everything, not just movement. They're gonna have a lot of fun after tomorrow's patch though. Dragunov bottom 5 without homing throws.

if your dragunov can be beat with just movement you're not playing the character or I guess you are, but at very average level, barely

@@susulilith Oversimplifications are not smart arguments, my dude, try harder.

@@kato093 nah, he'll be fine. He has too much sauce to need to rely on homing throws. Forward-dash into throw solves the problem in a lot of cases anyways.

Fear of b1 and 1,2,1

@@PhiDX but still throwing out hellsweep raw?

LOL

Your experience with Tekken since T3 speaks volumes. Tekken is supposed to be like a modern CHESS. Fundamentals should not change so drastically. Otherwise it's not really Tekken but something else. They should have called it Tekken smash hoes or something similar 😂

brother thats always been tekken,its just not this game! in a game that each character has 100 attacks, spamming them is easier to defend against them and its been the case since tk3 and eddy has always been like this! and wtf are you talking about? its scrubby cuz newbies are scrubbing?!?!? wtf does that mean? you expect from someone who just picked up a FIGHTING GAME to not just attack? its literally called a FIGHTING GAME and they don't know how mechanics works so of course they start spamming

3ddy didnt rly get far tho.

That's flaw in the ranking system more than the game imo

"You can go far with a flowchart" applies literally to every fighting game with functioning online. And 3ddy was literally hardstuck in bottom 33% of ranked players so that's barely a winner.

I don't understand the point of this comment. It is always in the lower ranks where this happens because better players rank higher. And better players = all that is lacking in the lower ranks (flexibility, adjustment etc.) That 3ddy did not even get far, I dont get why that is being painted as an evidence of Tekken being scrubby (i.e anyone can win with mashing) since he is only winning in the lower ranks where a lot of players have little to no character attack knowledge, strategy, spacing, frame data understanding etc.... Most players don't even side step until Garyu lol

sounds about right n spamming heat too

Rage quit is a real problem but mashing is just free winds

Good comment. There's also a issue where there's like no middle ground in the discourse either, where it's either it side stepping doesn't help at all or it helps a lot somehow. The reality is that side stepping is far more niche and risky in T8, than it ever was in T7 or before and it's by design from the devs. Hopefully patches going forward can start to make movement a primary focus again

​@@micman963 Thanks! I feel like the way the video was framed was intentionally inflammatory, maybe it's the way I'm seeing things but I took it as insulting people for saying movement is bad in T8. There's not much merit in saying something is strong/weak and berating people based on skill level without first asking why they think the way they do, while it's true most lower level player's movement is bad, there's still a valid reason to complain about movement. The fact of the matter is that before the most recent patch sidestepping was like you said, a risk. In T7 stepping and movement was a lot of MU knowledge that you could use to force your opponent to resort to other options like we saw in the video here with Devil Jin. DJ isn't the entire roster, more characters should be like Devil Jin, less should be like Victor. It'd make for a much better experience for the people who CAN make use of movement. Addressing this instead of saying "Look I can step/duck x character's layer 1" screams to me like people want more tools like U1+2, that's almost certainly not the case, but by turning a blind eye and dismissing the complaints there's no reason DLC characters moving forward won't have these let's be honest unfair/unfun tools. I look at what I see in ranked in mid to high level play and more often than not you see characters with tools like these. If you try and shut out Reina's, Drag's or Zafina's layer 1 with movement In all but Reina's case it's a risk, with Reina you absolutely have to respect f,f2 when you give her space and if you don't she has a hit-confirmable 112, where her only major weakness is her mediocre lows.. Which would matter if her pressure didn't more than compensate for that. These are things that I'm glad to see changing in 1.05, and I'm really hoping new characters moving forward won't have Victor/Reina's unsteppable nonsense. And just for the record I'm an old Jin/Asuka/Lidia player and I also do play Reina, I know the character is BS. I have a huge issue with Reina/Victor because they're new and have tools other characters by and large simply don't, tools that thank Harada have finally been made more fair. Edit: Also thank GOD they made heat burst/smash more steppable, I finally feel like I can punish people acting out of turn on my Asuka.

@@ThatPinkOtter I'm def worried that DLC characters will launch with tools like the ones you mentioned, it's like a sure fire way to get people to buy a character. Atleast this patch was a step in the right direction