I'm worried about the next PTB... 

*Update:* Luckily they walked back on most of the concerning changes they had announced.

Don't worry, I'm sure Feng will receive a few more store skins to balance things out.

“You can now only dead hard inside of Boon: Circle of Dead Hard”

Players: Wow, this perk is fun! Let's all use it. BHVR: Our numbers tell us you like this so we're making it more miserable to use.

You know you've overnerfed a killer when even the survivor mains are lobbying for a stronger Billy

Pain Resonance: “This perk has gradually found its way back into the meta, so we have pounded it back into submission”

I play killer as much as I play survivor, but seeing Medkits and Circle of Healing having this massive nerf... idk man, I think my matches as killer are going to be way easier and I'm going to struggle so much as a survivor. Adrenaline is going to be a common perk and Hex's are going to disappear cause people will be cleaning totems for inner healing to work

I effectively quit playing DBD around a year ago but I keep watching videos like these. Every now and again I wonder if I should go back to this game, but then one of these updates comes around. (for reference, I was a SoloQ survivor and non top tier killer)

My heart goes out to those 4 billy players, wherever they are…

"they will never nerf circle of healing hard enough to make it worse than self care"

Game developers, take the time to ask the people who play your game for thousands of hours before you consider what changes to make. These players are passionate about your product, every one of them an encyclopedia of knowledge and experience. Consulting them will give you insights that statistics cannot convey, earn respect from your fans and critics, and will save you an incredible amount of time and effort. I'm surprised you haven't hired Otz and other DBD experts. Invest in your community as they've invested in you 👍

I think the devs forget franklins is a thing so it's essentially impossible to heal and would take too much work if the killer brings it. Survivors having to drop medkits around the map. Survivors don't get notified until they're hit. Strange changes. Wraith with sloppy and franklins could be devastating now with good movement speed and stealth while cloaked aswell perhaps.

It honestly baffles me how BHVR could make some genuinely good changes to killers that really need it, still they decide that nerfing a random ass addon from the most bullied killer in the game was a good idea

Anti healing wesker on midwich is going to be the most terrifying match of the patch goes through

I’m convinced that solo queue will never get better. The devs drove me away when they kept making changes that made solo queue harder but never implemented anything to remedy that. It just keeps getting worse and as much as I love this game I now understand the game simply isn’t meant for people like me anymore.

I feel like the biggest problem with DBD balance is that they always balance things based on a complete SWF. Rather than the individual, leading to them putting out changes that heavily affect Solo-Q players, without any forethought.

The "person looking at an excel spreadsheet" description is so accurate. A lot of DBD's tonedeaf patches can be attributed to their horrible ability to interpret statistics. Even as an outsider I can tell that a dev is reading statistics without grasping that what they can learn from them is very limited. It is impossible to understand the metagame of a game as complex as DBD simply by looking at a chart of usage rates.

Finally nurse getting the buff and billy getting the nerfs everyone has been asking for.

I feel like the changes made, suffer from "Survivorship Bias". Which in statistics basically means they look at the stats they get at face value and don't stop to think WHY. Billy's most used addons are most used not because they are OP, but because no other addons are fun or valuable. Blight doesn't have any stand-out addons because they're all balanced, but because they are all equally OP or worth using. BHVR seriously gotta try playing their game once in a while.

Can we talk about the fact that the other chainsaw killer in this game can sit in front of a hook and guarantee a sacrifice with no consequence yet the one that requires dedication and skill AND is more fun for more players *AND* more often than not has great sportsmanship is getting chopped down again? For why?!

I went against a Billy today using both engravings and in endgame chat I told him ggs and good luck with the upcoming nerfs and he didn't know. That poor Billy who just had a really fun match curving hard loops and earning a 4k completely changed his tune when he found out. I feel really bad about that and I hope bhvr listens to us and doesn't go through with those nerfs.

The year is 202X. Furtive Chase is now a meta perk, as it may allow the killer to keep track of who has Dead Hard ready

Community: We think that the new 3 gen killer is not fun to play against BHVR: Lets nerf solo Q healing

Sometimes I don't understand their thinking. Top killers like Nurse, Spirit, and Blight are extremely strong, but get much stronger with their numerous addons, yet they never get touched severely

They make Autodidact look useful

They have to stop nerfing things and start buffing instead. 9 times out of 10 buffing weak things is better than nerfing the strong, but game devs don't seem to understand that.

Wow, as a killer main this is genuinely a sad day for both sides but I feel really sorry for solo survivors and the last three hillbilly mains, saying behavior missed the mark on this patch does not do it justice…

This change is also going to make tunneling a lot easier since Survivors won't be able to fully heal by the time you come back to the hook.

With the healing changes, Oni is going to become a LOT stronger. If survivors are going to be injured for longer, then that means you won't have to rely on the Wooden Mask and Splintered Hull addons for more blood since you'll make that up with time. This leaves you room to use addons that focus on buffing Oni's blood fury, like Akito's Crutch and Lion Fang.

When skull merchant came out I wanted to give her a chance. I had a fun time playing against her at first but I got frustrated due to her three gen potential. But with all these nerfs I think I’m gonna focus on other games till something changes.

I'm glad you pointed this out Otz, because it was something that struck me as very odd as well. Some of the things they've said suggest that BHVR doesn't seem to understand what the concept of "meta" actually means. The way they've worded some of these changes makes it sound like they are changing and attacking perks simply *because people use them a lot,* without examining the "why" of it. It's a recipe for disaster.

I kept thinking to myself "how does it get worse from here?" Then it kept going and going and going

I’m usually a decent bit excited for meta shake ups, it can be healthy for competitive games, but a lot of these changes feel either half baked or just straight up unnecessary.

He is absolutely correct. I can't tell you how many times I load in with a green medkit, gel dressings, and surgical suture and when the team takes hooks, I used my medkit to heal them because I also run BTL and effectively have 4 fast heals. Now, nope! I will use them to heal myself only. Because solo Q is so bad, and I can never rely on anyone else, this is the way most players will play unfortunately.

I'm in disbelief they made such huge changes to heals and healing perks. Like 16 to 24 is a drastic move by itself, yet alone all the other moving parts. Also so many killers used Mangled/Hemorrhage status via perks, add-ons etc because of heals being too quick, yet I promise you, few if any are going to stop. I mostly solo queue with IH and FTP, so mostly hurt if trying to get or receive that altruism from reg heals. Trickle down nerf for the already rarely used Autodidact players. 😭 1+ visual terror radius. I play with headphones cranked up, but for those hard of hearing and/or multitasking, listening to other stuff, more power. Most please with the changes to Overzealous. Now with boons activating it too, I will consider trying a boon perk instead of nom'ing so many totems. But I might not. With medkits nerfed on top of longer heals, IH+O or some other insta heal tech live Revival might be smarter than dropping IH for a boon+ medkit. Suffering succotash. 😓

This gives me flashbacks to the clip when someone once asked Otz "Do you think it would be good if the developers made good changes to the game?"

Thank you for acknowledging the pain of me and my fellow 3 brothers. They are just making an unpopular killer even more unpopular

I find it fascinating that BHVR finally had an increase in their player base numbers, only to continue making bad decisions that continue to destroy the game

I actually think removing flashlight vs hag to be very harsh towards survivors. Especially because blast mine affected hag traps too

The most boggling part of their addon tweaks is how different they were from last year. From full on reworks to +/-1% changes

I loved when he almost slipped with; "When I look at this Sh-" you can tell he is truely pissed about some of these tweaks.

Circle of Healing is Botany Knowledge, but you have to bless a boon to get it. Amazing changes BHVR, keep it up.

Even as someone who isn’t hearing impaired, I love the visual heartbeat. I usually play in a party with other people not playing dbd, so it gets loud. I also always play with music. So there’s quite a few times I won’t hear the radius till it’s too late

I like that Otz still talks about what he believes in instead of just agreeing with every single change

They should make pain resonance so that it works only when you hook different survivors subsequently. This would incentivise hooking different survivors and actually give a good return for not tunneling. I think this was a big missed opportunity.

New meta will be sloppy butcher with anti-heal in mind keeping everyone injured. Sloppy is already a strong perk and it is going to be even strong with some other perks like nurses calling, coulrophobia, leverage, septic touch, etc, resulting in massive value out of even more perks like hysteria, terminus, and even 4 stacks of thanatophobia. Also this means it's easier to get hooks since survivors are injured and dead hard got nerfed meaning chases will end super fast, so scourge hooks and devour hope will get a lot more uses. With these new strategies, there may be no need to tunnel since you can easily create a ton of pressure. Just to sum it up there will be a MASSIVE meta change and for once killer may be to strong.

This is the perfect set of patch notes to keep in your back pocket, don't get me wrong these are beyond terrible. "It's a buff, I can't really complain." You can though, that's the problem, you shouldn't settle for less for the most part especially when it comes to games with flaws, a small victory at times is not worthwhile. These patch notes are so perfect to me since now people can properly see how the devs do their "Research" so when you have Elmo, sorry, Almo talking about how they've been "looking into it" you can see them going: "This number big.. Nerf it. ... This number small.. Buff it." They've made a joke about nerfing The Pig, while simultaneously only giving her a teeny tiny buff to her crouch speed add-on when sincerely her crouch speed should just be buffed overall. Her entire ambush kit is so.. Middling, or worse. Most people will stand up from her crouch since often a charged attack will make you lose the survivor in question.

Otz being so mad about the billy nerf is so sad to me he just sums up the situation perfectly and comes from a place of someone who genuinely cares and loves this game.

The doom/death nerf made my heart sink. I'm a survivor main & genuinely my favourite matches have been against Billy running those add-ons. So few people run them anyway, completely unnecessary change. Absolute tragedy if it ends up actuallly happening. RIP Billy :(

On thing I think you overlooked with the Pinky Finger change is that it reduces the *maximum* held bottles, so if I'm reading it correctly it shouldn't stack with the Sticky Soda Bottle, like the Iri Head change. So the max Exposed bottles does go down from 4 to 2. It still doesn't fix the issues you mentioned however.

I stopped playing dbd over a year ago, but every once in a while I'll watch a video to see if things are getting better, nice to know some things never change?

Sloppy butcher and nurses calling are going to be used a lot more since healing is so hard now

Congrats to Behavior for being one of the few game dev teams that actively spites it's pro players lmao

Excellent points Otz ! Especially about that Excel sheet ! Totally agree !!!

When the last big mid chapter happened, I had a lot of hope for Dead by Daylight. But seeing more and more weird changes, community feedback, stronger survivor perks, not to mention the killer tunnelling meta in light of those new perks... It feels like the game is moving backwards. I remember a time where BeHavior would only pay attention to statistics and the game suffered for it, and now I feel history repeating itself.

It’s going to be a nightmare playing solo against a legion with teammates that have self care. Genuinely have no clue what the devs are thinking with the whole healing changes

I think its worth mentioning that if you think the wraith and hag buffs due to flashlights aren't important because they're not top tier killers, they're also generally great users of sloppy butcher and hit & run strats which just got insanely buffed

I just think it's sad, even for the killer, that by removing the dead-hard meta, they took the only playstyle in direct combat with the killer almost completely out of the game. Will this not now just turn into more "run away, drop a pallet and repeat" meta?

Honestly I’m very excited for many things in this update and I do wonder what will be on live servers and what will change between PTB and live. I do however have a major issue with the Circle of Healing change. I wish that instead of it not allowing self healing but it is extremely slow, like self care (but maybe 1-3 seconds faster). That is my only main gripe aside from the fact that medkit rarity basically means nothing now. And before anyone says to bring a medkit I love to use flashbangs to get saves so carrying any other item is an inconvenience. I also play SoloQ so I know I can’t always rely on my teammates for heals.

Welp, as a Billy main, Im just going to wait until we see the actual numbers ingame before decided to leave Billy for Blight. I have dedicated thousands of hours into Billy and it feels like all the time was wasted while BHVR spits in my face. For those who are wondering why Billy's Engravings were balanced, they provided lethality and interesting interactions with his power, but it came at the cost of needing to be precise. New players are often suggested to not run Engravings because they have a huge learning curve, but once you start to learn them, they make Billy significantly more fun, and turn the problematic map design into something tolerable. They were, in my opinion, the most balanced addon design in the game, they reward skill, patience, knowledge, and prediction. It's a shame to see BHVR even consider nerfing them.

I know no one is talking about this, but with the change to John's Medical File, The Pig's crouched speed (which is 92% by default) will be 102% (instead of the old 98%) which is 2% faster than a survivor's running speed. Yay.

My concern is now a survivor marinating on hook and possibly dying or going to second state because the window is so small between being able to get a heal off in time to come and save if the killer is camping.

İ believe Autodidact will probably be more used now it literally gives %50 progress while healing others per skill check

Thanks behavior for nerfing Billy. Truly the change we all needed 🙏

As a solo player, I feel like circle of healing should have been nerfed in a different way. Something like the amount of them you can do is limited, based on tokens, it is crushed when snuffed etc. Just something that limited it and maybe make the healing slower. Half the time the only way I get healed in games is through healing myself in boons. I like to try out fun builds and bring different items and I feel like that will be nearly impossible now. Changes are needed but not like this imo :( another sad day for solo q survivor

Thank you for also thinking about the impact of this on newer and less good players.

You know its a really serious video when otz doesnt question his identity

They better add more totems bcs inner healing everywhere is coming.

Kinda funny that they nerfed some things on Clown and Hillbilly but Blight and Nurse are perfectly fine xD I genuinely hope that they have some bigger changes in mind for them ...

Honesty Otzdarva shoulde part-time working with Behaviour at this point. The amount of valuable info he has is absurdly amazing and he is constantly involved with the comunity and the BIGGEST thing dbd needs right now is to hear what the comunity has to say about the games state. If the were to just have like meeting with the top fog wisperers like I dunno every 3 months heck even just like a 10min chat with them every now and then the games curent state would be outstanding.

yeah so I was watching Ohtofu‘s take on this update, and he mentioned some thing that I completely forgot happened because I got into DBD during the pandemic, and I only watched videos going all the way back to the game started so I didn’t have a frame of reference for a lot of the stuff that was happening. I just knew it it happened. I realize now that a lot of Jenn rushing tactics started because they NERFED, or added on seconds to healing people saw less of a value in healing and more of a value in Jenn rushing which is why they had to start fucking with generators in the first place I think this is what led to a lot of toolboxes getting tweet which is what I think it’s going to end up happening again because it just makes more sense especially in solo queue to focus a lot of your energy in the first two chases on Jenn rushing to bring in a souped up toolbox and adrenaline and try to knock out the first three generators before the second person gets hooked. The reason I say, this is because I have noticed that if there are still four survivors in a match by the time, the third generator pops, the killer has a very unlikely chance of getting more than one kill. I think this is going to frustrate killers, and Lisa, very stale gameplay, and then the developers are going to fuck with toolboxes again which if you add to the fact that they NERFED med kits, NERFED flashlight, and then they’ll go onto Nerf toolboxes, realistically, with the weakness of maps and keys there is nothing that the survivors are going to have to help them, especially with perks consistently getting NERFED as well. Which means like at Stava said it’s more than likely going to lead to the nurse in killers again, which is gonna piss off the killer players. I don’t see a situation in which the killer players are massively, unhappy no matter what.

AHHH YES Finally the long awaited No Mither Meta I have been asking for, BHVR really outdid themselves. No longer is stupid healing required to win, just take your toolbox and rush the gens, That is what killers want!

Nurse buffs and healing nerfs I don’t think was on anyone’s radar for what was gonna be changed this mid-chapter. All of these flashlight changes and yet Trapper still gets completely countered by a map!

Genuinely concerned to see how much of this is going to make it past PTB. When they changed / buff the 40+ perks that was overall great, but this? Not soo sure but will have to wait & see

I feel like should be a developer due to your great insight and awareness of what can and probably will happen.

I dislike the removal of the flashlight interactions cause it just strips away a level of detail they could of tapped into for other stuff in the future. Even if most people did not know about these interactions anyway, that feeling of discovery after paying attention to details is a fun thing to experience.

the healing thing is absurdly brutal.

With those healing speeds healing against a Legion with sloppy butcher and thanophobia (I think that's the name) must be a wonderful experience

As a survivor main, I rarely go against Billies and tbh whenver I go against one that knows them moves, I'm always impressed when I get downed :)) I can't even get mad or something, it's so cool! I can't complain about Billies, there's no way :)

You know Otz is concerned when there is no funny intro after his "Hello friends this is Otz"

Its honestly impressive and a credit to BHVR how they can consistently keep making this game worse and worse. True talent honestly.

15.57 explains everything :D when i look at this.. “changes”

I completely agree, these changes and many before are just based on states, not actual gameplay. Anytime they base changes on gameplay, it’s based on the top 10% of players and streamers. The devs don’t make changes based on what will balance the game, it’s based on a print out The only build worth playing for survivors will an ‘inner healing’ build.

What I think sucks is my favorite add on for billy the gloves which give him some really good buffs when his chainsaw is overheated are now going to be completely useless even now when I play Billy and purposely try to overheat my chainsaw it’s really difficult with the new changes It sounds like it’s gonna be impossible.

Thank you for getting your opinion out there ASAP on this. Many people always say “just wait for the PTB” but the sooner these concerns are brought to the forefront, the better. Always love your stuff Otz ❤

I havent played this game in well over a year. I was thinking about coming back but after seeing this, I'm staying away. Have fun community!

Haven't played since the height of the eruption/cob meta and I'm growingly increasingly happy with each passing day. Then this comes out?? Oh yeah. I'm a happy man

The circle of healing isn't just nerfed, it's killed.

Otz: "I dunno about the new healing changes..." Autodidact users who never get enough skill checks in 16 seconds: "Our time has come..." Still, I do think these changes are going to suck a great deal. They didn't rework addons they should have (I love playing Pyramid Head, but don't recall ever using any addons other than range ones), nerfed addons that didn't need to, and giving billy a slight buff while kicking his teeth in with his addons nerf was a solid middle finger. Like, seriously, how often do we even see Billy after they nerfed him into the ground? People always say all these new games will be the big DbD killer, and to me I think they'll just end up doing what WoW did. Just alienate the fanbase enough that another game just gets their sales, making it less of a DbD killer and more of a right place right time deal

I think it might be better to maybe make the clown add on take away the bottle ability to interrupt survivors and maybe make throw cool down longer. May help with camping

If they are going through with the healing debuff, they should also think of some rework to mettle of man

With base 24s healing, self-care needs a buff 😂😂

I swear there's two completely separate teams working on DBD, one that's decently in touch with the community and can make good changes if they're allowed to and then there's whoever came up with this mistake of an update. Please take the feedback (backlash) from these updates and don't let them go through

15:57 "When I look at this shi.... When I look at these add-ons... " Like how you caught yourself there my guy Otz.

Damn. At this point, the next patch that contains anything with Billy in it is just gonna say, "Yeah, we feel like not enough people are playing this killer anymore so we're taking him out of the game. He wasn't very good or liked as much so we're removing him." And then BHVR is literally gonna live reaction meme us when they see the community's reaction to that decision, like their constant unnecessary targeted nerfing of him isn't to blame.

I'm a fairly new player who plays mostly solo queue. I feel like the med kit changes are going to make solo queue more miserable than ever because people will be using them selfishly and not heal as much as they did before. Hopefully I'm wrong but that is the feeling that I get from this information

As a solo q survivor, sometimes circle of healing is the only reason why I can get healed at all (doing it myself.) With this new update I'll have to bring a medkit to every game which is a shame when bringing different items is half the fun.

I’m honestly very scared…. Like this is the first time in the two years I’ve been playing I’m actually thinking I have to quit the game altogether. I mainly play solo q and casual killer on all killers…. I’m so sad about this but from what I understand this is not the first time BHVR does things like this..

interesting. I am just getting good at Billy now, very worth the grind.

I wanna add, even if you're not hard of hearing, sometimes I wanna listen to music or something while I play. Really happy for a visual heartbeat indicator.