I Made 8.83414E+71 Tokens (but Arena Wouldn't Let Me) | Standard Magic: the Gathering (MTG) 

When Phil makes a video like this, it's called Brewer's Kitchen. When Seth does it, should we call it the Olive Garden?

Seth: Swings in for 500 damage Opponent: Carefully considers blocks

Fun fact: The sole reason the token limit exists is because of Scute Swarm. Too many people were crashing the game with exponential multiplying Scutes and it was taxing WotC's servers so much that it was causing lag in OTHER PEOPLE'S GAMES. If you ever wondered why Arena was taking so long on that day to process you casting even one spell on Turn 2 in your innocent starter decks games, it was probably because some bastard in a completely different match was overtaxing the servers with Scute Swarm.

Kemba, Kha Enduring + Blade of Shared Souls + Jinnie Fay, Jetmir's Second + Atsushi, the Blazing Sky Blade of Shared Souls makes something into copy of Atsushi, the Blazing Sky It dies through legend rule The die trigger makes token Jinnie Fay, Jetmir's Second does replace them with cats entering Kemba, Kha Enduring trigger and makes Blade of Shared Souls attach to cat token Repeat for infinite Treasure and infinite cat and dogs

Turn off "Auto-Order Replacement Effects" for maximum lag

So when arena met the limit there are two Ratadrabic and 11 Mondraks the first trigger should have made 2048 more Mondraks and the second would have made a 6.685+e620 more Mondraks, so if sac two Atsushis you'll have more treasures then atoms in the universe. I miss playing paper magic Edit: sorry for spreading misinformation, I checked and the number of atoms in the universe is actually much much smaller then the number of Mondraks I calculated the number of treasures is so large I can't really use it to express anything real.

I LOVE THE EDITING THANK YOU SETH FOR THIS GEM

Another option for you: Fighter Class. It's LVL 1 ability lets you find the blade, and it's LVL 2 ability makes the blade free to equip, allowing you to go infinite without needing mana at all

I gotta say, Seth's videos have been popping lately. The views back it up obviously but everything from gameplay to non-gameplay has all been extremely good. Feels almost like a new era of saffron olive videos

Thought it was a Brewer's Kitchen video

So, last time I played commander, I put a Followed Footsteps on a non-legendary copy of Adrix and Nev. A few turns later, I said, "Upkeep, I make some more copies. Sorry guys, I don't have enough dice, because, there aren't enough dice." Turned out I'd made more tokens than there are atoms in the known universe. It's my new favorite combo, because it's not infinite, just really, really, really big.

This editing format is nice for these long combos on arena. For less crazy decks I think I still enjoy seeing the full game. Good work Seth!

This makes me so happy. I look forward to seeing this deck at the next pro tour.

This deck actually reveals a very interesting strategy: Lag out the game so hard that your opponent can't not time out

Thanks for explaining your thought process and also the struggles you faced. Made it feel like we were taking a journey alongside you as you pull off the combo.

The intro editing going right into game play was masterful. Excellent work!

The person I first saw bring up the Blade/Ratadrabik combo back during pre-release of ONE (and who I'm pretty sure first brought this combo up on your stream) wanted to do it with Kemba, Kha Enduring. That way every time a new token of Kemba is created you can just attach the Blade to it for free and you don't need to worry about the mana cost.

Props to opponent for sitting through it and taking the hit gracefully.

I love when opponents let you go off like this, but there's nothing more frustrating than allowing an opponent to go off, not dying to their pop-off and them leaving halfway through your pop-off next turn.

Saw this deck a couple days ago when you went through your recent decks in the middle of another video, have been real excited ever since

Tips for anyone looking to play this fun (but flawed) combo deck. I built a version of this and have found some cards that make great includes. The first and most surprising is lunarch veteran/luminous phantom. It’s a one drop soul sisters style card that gains you life when your creatures ETB. This is very helpful in matchups like the first game. It also has disturb for two and there is an interesting interaction with disturb that makes the veteran a combo piece. Disturb creatures on there backside have “if this creature would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead” this normally means that it can only be brought back once. If it was a clone of something else though as it dies this ability is not triggered and therefore can be cast again similar to a grave crawler. If you have Mondrak (or the next card I am going to mention) it can go infinite with atsushi and blade of shared souls becouse even though you don’t get radadrabic tokens you can keep bring back the spirit. The other card I wanted to mention was Drivnod, Carnage Dominus. The death harmonicon both doubles you radadrabic tokens as well as you atsushi triggers (and any other dragon deaths). This is often even better (if less flashy) than Mondrak, Glory Dominus due to the lestened chance to crash arena and bury it 6ft deep under tokens. This card can either let you have up to 8 trigger doublers or just let you swap out the Mondrak. Before someone comments it, yes it is a man’s more expensive but your 4 drop slot is already packed with atsushis and radadrabics anyway so it is not a very big deal. I am also unimpressed with reflections of kiki-jiki in this deck. This is mostly to do with the removability of the token as well as the lack of synergy with the last two chapters. This is because we run mostly legends. If you are running a more rakdos midrange style deck than it can still be good but for my version I liked Relic or Legends. This was great for ramp, mana fixing, and bursts of mana by turning your legends into mana dorks. These are just some of my alterations and would love to see any input (I have only been playing the deck for a few days and it is still imperfect).

A combo i really want to see is ratadrabik, mondrak, and drivnod. Every legendary creature that dies now makes 4 token copies. Even more if you get tokens of mondrak or drivnod

Refreshing style for a video and an awesome decklist!

I have to say, I LOVE this video format. Genuinely a ton better than the usual.

just saw the intro till 1:30. Great! i ove the new start to the video. good editing, cutting out the less interesting stuff out. very nice

Loran, Disciple of History + Legendary Artifact Creature like Skrelv Play 2nd Skrelv, have one of them die through legend rule Now the etb trigger of Loran goes on the stack, you can return Artifact back to hand, like the Skrelv that just died For just W each time you can repeat that process again and again You just need something like Ratadrabik for infinite Skrelv Or other cards that turn ETB or LTB into life gain/drain or damage

That's a sick deck! Good job!

Lol i love the speedy battlefield. Everything flashing and rocking.

That's awesome! I ran into similar issues running Mondarak with vesuvan duplimancy. That was an "easier" combo (vesuvan duplimancy) but much less resistant to disruption.

There's a good reason Arena doesn't let you do that. If you took a current estimate for the number of stars in the universe and cubed that number, you would arrive at the number of tokens this game state would require.

Getting a lot of Gitrog Monster vibes from the way this deck plays. Love it.

BONUS GAME!

Love this format!

Reminds me of playing emergency powers with smothering tithe in historic before the token limit was introduced. That deck made arena cry and demanded its lunch money

Reminds me of some polyraptor, marauding and verdant suns avatar combos that went infinite freezing games. The trick is learning how to control that combo

My reaction to the BONUS GAME was first a real serious jumpscare then a crisis of laughter that lasted about 5min XD

i only just started playing arena again since i havent been to shops lately, and its sooo easy to go infinite and even if your are super fast with you actions, the timer will eventually slap you. its actually super inconsistent on when it does too. theres a simple bounce-etb for mana combo that i can do super fast with no lag but sometimes timer will start pretty early on me and otheer times i can stall out the timer from even appearing for what feels like ages.

i started using mondrak when he came out and i made a deck with vesuvan duplimancy and hallowed haunting. you can make a pretty lethal board if they survive to long.

fun build you can do in historic Mirror March Dance of the Manse Yarok Annointed Procession Or even really just Dance of the Manse+Anointed Procession[and have a VERY cheap card to play after the dance]

this interaction (or more specifically radadrabik with reflection of kiki jiki) was what finally broke me and made me move to Bo3 so I can side in answers to this kind of stuff

In the last game, I think the way out is to sac the Mondraks using their ability, to get back down to a reasonable number of Mondraks!

I love that the guy in the first game was just watching you do this knowing when it came to his turn he could just spend one mana and kill them all

Just thought you might like to know that some absolute mad lad has registered this deck for Pro Tour March of the Machine

Love this style of content

You had the kill on board the turn you passed over to the Sheoldred player. You just had to drop Goro Goro and swing with all the dragons.

Bonus Game! 🤩

Having had a boardstate of Azusa Lost but Seeking, Ancient Greenwarden, and Scute Swarm with a fetch land in hand, I know all too well the pain of the token limit. I've also had that boardstate plus Parallel Lives and Anointed Procession, in an Omnath 4 deck.

The other day I played scute swarm on a board with 2x Yarrok and Ashya. I needed to draw a kill spell to not die next turn and had to keep playing my card draw creatures. I ended the turn with like 200 something scutes but every time I played a creature I had to sit through a few minutes of triggers resolving. Ended up losing my turn to timeout but winning with the right spell on opponents turn.

I have an Atraxa commander deck with a similar setup, Ratadrabik as a secret commander with lots of tutors and every method of double token creation and every method to copy a creature, with every other legendary who creates tokens in there I could fit. It goes truly insane sometimes, I once ended up with 237 mondraks after a board wipe, and I added in the shape-shifting legendary who makes anything legendary to restart the loop if I mess up. Might need to make it 5 color to add in the infinite but I don't think I need it

something you missed out on is that Drivnod also pairs super well with it, cause its doubling of the death triggers for both Atsushi and for Ratadrabik tokens can more or less turn it into a backup Mondrak. A bit slower cause it's linear rather than exponential, but it would let you exile your library in an instant

I like this style of editing and video, wouldn't mind bits of it showing up in other vids

Shout out to your opponent being a big homie and sitting through that haha.

The BONUS GAME got me 😂😂😂

i have a deck that is set up similar, when i had this problem, i used mondraks ability and sacrificing 2 of the treasure tokens, was taking 5 treasures off the battlefield at once, instead of manually tapping, was easy to use auto pay

I was not prepared for that midcombo 'fit change

Junji the Midnight Sky with Hulking Metamorph Hulking Metamorph copies Junji and dies through legend rule Because Junji doesn't say "another" just non dragon, the died Metamorph can return itself back for 2 Life Add Elas il-Kor, Sadistic Pilgrim to make up for the lifeloss And if you have more life than opponent, you can kill him in one shot

I've got a commander deck that does this using Mondrak/Helm of the Host, it gets a little ridiculous trying to keep track of the math when one activation of The Wandering Emperor produces over a million samurai tokens

Seth: "Lookie here at this neat Splinter Twin cob-" **Drowned out by Mechanized warfare overwhelming him** XD You gotta love the new enchant. It has really allowed Monored Burn to be crazy efficient on a budget but it's probably ruined more videos than Invoke Despair. I have to say this does seem like a good use for Blade of Shared Souls, finally, but it does seem like Polyraptor nerfs with the Token Limit and Arena's slightly buggy update means it'll crash you more on here than in paper.

I built a RaddyDaddy Deck including Kalain, making every creature entering the battlefield (payed with treasures) with 200+ +1/+1 counters, i just love Ratadrabik

17:35 That many tokens is around the number of atoms in a thousand galaxies the size of our own. Yeah, Arena would crash.

The opponent watching you go infinite with 2 creatures is like dying in their seat

Is the Arena lag in clearing out treasures better if, instead of raw saccing Treasures, you sac two at a time (plus three for the cost) to Mondrak's activated ability?

I was more impressed with how fast he could subtract one and double in his head at 4:18

You breaking Arena is my favorite content.

With copying Mondrak, you would quickly go over the number of atoms in the observable universe. So yes - Arena's not gonna be able to handle that.

The unexpected BONUS GAME was perfect!

Like that style !

An in-depth analysis of mtg math with professor saffron olive 📖

You can click on the number on the left right of the tokens to select them all.

Respect to the opponent for not scooping

9:43 that infinite combo took so long Saffron had to change clothes

Wonder if you could build this into a splinter twin style deck. Sadly outside of fighter class I can't think of a way to make the equipping free. On the plus side splashing red could allow you to play Bitter Reunion to give haste for a lethal swing.

Seth, watching this is giving me SERIOUS Warcraft 1 vibes. I replayed it awhile back (maybe 2016?), it mostly held up but the interface is so awful that the game is really, really hard to play despite being extremely easy vs the computer. It made those missions where you have a small force to slaughter a whole bunch of ogres, but not all at once, only you're limited to selecting only 4 units, and you need to hold down shift to do it. I think the game designers heads exploded when someone thought of click + drag to select units, let alone allowing us to select a whole 9 units!

My favorite part about this deck is that it uses the legendary rule to its advantage, absolutely filthy.

In historic you can use ashnod's altar and blood artist to make the loop faster

Thanks for documenting another of WotCs defect products.

Was Arena lagging or was it just your opponent? I think they get priority and have to hit resolve on every action because they can crew Bankbuster. Regardless, really sweet deck!

Glad you made a video out of the deck 😊 Found it (#5443781) yesterday already while searching for a good Rata & Mondrak deck.

So happy I have all these cards 😄

The Arena lag is giving me Smothering Storm flashbacks hehe.

Hello, I mostly play historic, do you have a idea how I could improve my hydra deck? The idea is to create hydras with trample that get like 1k/1k or more with the enchantment that doubles the counters each turn

Old school magic: the legend rule prevents broken board states Magic in 2023: the legend rule is a sac outlet

opponent had such a "this is fine" attitude

Everyday you look more and more like the Master from an old Kung Fu movie. Never change.

This is cool!

Does hardware have anything to do with the lag or is it 100% arena limitations?

you can play Bitter Reunion to give everything haste for a better Splinter Twin impression

Is it the tokens causing the problem, or the scaling production from Mondrak? I've done combos in the past where I've gotten 4, 5, 6+ Nyxbloom Ancients (triple mana) out, and after the third or so Arena gets super unhappy.

Seth giving opponents the BM by not just using the Goro-Goro in his hand to win the game. xD

Well at least there are people who sit through this. I don't tolerate that. I'd quit and just win the next 2 games in the same amount of time.

You can sac mondrak tokens 2 at a time to give mondraks indestructible that's probably the easiest way to reduce their number

This is my favorite combo. Except I do Mondrak + Helm of the Host in historic Brawl. It takes 3 turns but because of the rest of the deck, I have the time, save for boardwipes

Seth's shirt & the green screen 😆

I don’t play standard anymore due to the price and the fact that I am way too busy. However, this deck legit makes me want to try this out at a pioneer tournament at my LGS.

Omg imagine this boardstate with a Craterhoof

I feel like arena could possibly handle tokens differently. It makes sense to have tokens as individual entities that can each perform actions, but perhaps when people are getting in multiples of 10s of the same type of token “removing” them from the game and replacing them with some kind of body count token. This way it only has to process one token. Let’s say you have 50 tokens, they convert to one singular token from the games perspective. Want to sac a single token of the 50 you control? Basically the same mechanic as paying X mana into a cards ability. Someone attacks with all 50 tokens? Give it “fifty” strike. Someone else could block the megalith token and it would eat 1 of the 50 strikes, just as with normal magic, just with the modifier that only 1 of the X tokens is blocked

This is the gameplay of someone who regularly uses a hypergeometric calculator, lol. *Thanks for the Content* !

So I think there's a solution to the problem you describe, but I'm not 100% sure and I can't really test it. If you use Blade of Shared Souls to turn your Mondrak tokens into Atsushi tokens and legend rule them off (preferably for card draw, so you're not hitting the limit over and over again), would that let you feasibly reduce the number of Mondraks so you can then make fewer tokens?

Get witty roastmaster in there. It deals opp 1 damage whenever any creature enters your battlefield

10:20 Are we still seeing the legendary Seth or did the camera just change to his non-legendary token copy?