I Promised I Wouldn't Play It But Then Gaijin Forced My Hand 

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Thanks that you thought she weighs so little 😇

nah they only found her toe nails

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Sounds like most of Japans fighters that are slow on the deck

No surprise they lost the war.

​@@s.a.f.r.a6403only a few japanese fighters suffer from those problems, but luckily the vast majority of them even the bad ones can outmaneuver basically everything with a few exceptions of course.

@@Feuervix But its true? their low altitude performance is due to majority of them excluding A6M,Ki-43 being for high altitude bomber hunting interception "disregarding aircraft incorrectly labeled" I know what I'm talking about, go look at the Xrays alot of them have great engine power but their top speeds can only be reached at higher altitudes hence them using turbos and superchargers on some aircraft later A6M had water methanol injection to have cool intake air temperatures The B-29 was the target that they where trying to take out because nothing they had was capable of intercepting it effectively to the end of the war

Gaijin hates American planes lol

That's me, probably :)

True dude

you either get competent teamates that run everyone down before you get a chance or lobotomites that chase the first thing they see

​@generic__ I wouldn't say that, but usually it's about the team composition. Very often if my team consists mainly of US or Germany players their lack of understanding leads them to a quick demise against Spitfires and Zeros (both enemies & teammates don't know what they're doing so they resort to crude dogfighting where the turnfighters win)

How's it going Lee?

@@kavemanboi3876 yo, how's it going?

When it was first added it had a juicy airspawn.

Vids done Soon

Me still waiting for defyn to drop war thunder for world of warplanes

Jk pls don't ban

@@НААТ hows bro gonna ban you from his channel

@@НААТdesgusten!

You really need this nuch fuel? Lmao

The TA-152H, Hornet, and P-38K get airspawns so why not P-47s? Never understood why they took it away on a plane that has only 12 minutes of WEP and becomes anemic without it.

@@FIGURE332 Yeah the 12 minutes WEP is the last straw that breaks the camel's back for the P-47. Gaijin should give it an attacker status like the Wyvern and be done with it. Don't hold your breath tho...

@@FIGURE332 Hornet and 38K don't need their air spawns. Neither does the XP-50. The 152H needs it because it is over BRed and without it the 152H just isn't competitive at all. The P-47s had an air spawn and were serious clubbers because they were under BRed. They went up in BR and lost their air spawns. This was before the N was added though. The N should have had an air spawn from the start because it is the worst climbing fighter above 2.3 that isn't the S-199.

​@@rainsilentthe N was added before P-47s got their airspawn (and before they lost it, obviously). I am surprised as well how people dont remember how hard they used to club, but the N is so sad without it 😢

@@jercki72 I thought the N was added around the time they got their airspawn removed. Thanks for the correction.

they could've accelerated the fixing because of the premium though

ah, true!

I love the Corsair man

U 2 Alpaca man

@@supershid464nah, it’s just bc gaijin usually fixes fms on dev server as that’s the easiest time to fix bugs for them (between patches they’re usually full-scale working on the next patch to keep schedule, so not a lot of time for major fm changes

"You know who else weighs as much as a P-47?"

I've been saying this for a while now. One of war thunders main problems is the stale and uncreative gamemodes. Imagine if like you said we had a intercept/protect bombers gamemode or something like that to give these high altitude planes the advantage they deserve instead of the standard battle arena 5 minute climb to battle which inevitably ends in ground pounding

Well it was in fact made to fly with bomber formations so that does indeed make sense. Although in game it's not very helpful

@@sainesanalsa3324It does not make sense for it to have a minimum fuel load the size of a bomber’s in game.

@@8-bithades305 Nor does it make sense for bombers to have over half an hour min fuel load in 25min games, but for now we are stuck with gaijin's 30% policy. So it makes sense even though I don't like it and neither do you

@@sainesanalsa3324 You both could try what many of us tried in the past. Go to the forums with a request for 20 or 25 mins of fuel for *insert name of aircraft here* that doesn't have a min fuel below 30 mins. It is what Gaijin asked us to do in the past and Gaijin never did it when we did. Maybe now they will.

@@rainsilent I have actually done that in the past, but thank you for the reminder, I don't think I have actually done it for thunderbolts

Yeha, then they lost air spawn and got sent up in br and now are definitely on the "bad" side.....they are still fun af, you are just not competitive as most other plane

Perhaps not. Gaijin will ruin more aircraft by raising their br or just weaken their performance:(

Not every aicraft were good IRL either.

P47-d30 version is pretty decent

@@barskaya3534 well the N variant specifically is my favorite

Not abysmal, just for air to air theyre just outclassed in every regard by other planes. Its the definition of mediocre and not fun

It's not dogshit, the maps are just too small for it to get to a advantageous altitute.

​@@anrw886 that's just gayjin messing up with good planes and overpowering dogshit Russian planes

Much lower br and it had an airspawn lol

@@DEFYN That's probably it. I stopped paying attention to BRs cause it makes no sense and hurts my brain.

The 47N in the US tree is the same though

Shhhhhhut up, don't let them know........the snail forgot about its existence, just let it live it's best life

The spitfire didn't keep turning so he gave defyn a lot of advantage by going straight

@@Soldo66666 That was a rhetorical question.

@@WigglyWings yeah i know, i was just pointing out how much brain dead someone has to be to lose a dogfight to a p47 in a spitfire

@@Soldo66666 I am sure someone out there after watching that dogfight will think that a P47 can dogfight Spitfire easily. xD

It’s the m variant. Premium and event vehicle, he said it just got nerfed unfortunately. That thing is a beast and has air brakes equipped.

The 205 Serie 3 isn't horrible. It is slightly over BRed. It should be 4.0, maybe 4.3, but is 4,7. The N2 is horrible. It is, at best, a 3.7 plane that sits at 4.7. Yes, the 109s turn better. The turn rate of the 205 serie 3 is slightly better than a 190A5. The N2 is worse than any 190A that is clean a la no external stores being carried. The 205 Serie 1 in comparison is just shy of the 109F4/G2 realm of maneuverability. The added weight of the serie 3 and N2 really take a toll on the maneuverability of the 205. The Serie 1 is in a perfect spot for it performance wise. It's guns are bad but it is very competitive performance wise at that BR. This is what should happen with aircraft with bad guns. Funnily enough I almost hate the G.55s. They feel like gimped 109s that traded everything good about them for some turn rate. Also the P-47Ns should be 4.3. It flat out is not competitive at 4.7 performance wise. The P-47D-25 is arguably an equal performing aircraft overall and sits at 4.3. The N has, maybe, slightly better climb and is faster in level flight by some 30kmh but the D-25 is more agile.

It's clear is it not? We aren't in the army

"The meta is made for zeroes, spitfires and yaks" The meta is defined by the actions of the players in the match. Most players play the game in a way that highly favors planes good in head ons, why the J22 and J21s are so over BRed, or great in knife fights. You get a group of 4 good players in fast planes and suddenly the meta of the match is speed.

​@rainsilent it's half the players and half the gamemode design. There is and has always been a low altitude meta because all the objectives are on the ground and fighters start from the ground. If the game started people off at say 5000m which is a more believable scenario it would be a high altitude meta. And because of how the arenas are set up knife fights are somewhat encouraged This does in fact lead to planes like yaks being incredibly meta

@@nade5557 Game mode only has a say in terms of auto ticket bleed. The players 100% have a say in everything else based on how they play. It doesn't matter that the fighters start from the ground or even that the ticket targets are at low alt. At least until the players start interacting with them. Every 3rd match or so there is at least one player from each team, if not a group, climbing to space in fighters and then chasing each other around. If more players were inclined to do it high alt fighting would, naturally, become the meta.* Likewise if more players were to fly fast planes and then use teamwork rather than relying on maneuverability then speed would be the meta. The maps are certainly big enough to support it in general given most, if not all, prop maps are 40x40km or bigger. * So long as the ticket situation didn't turn in favor for one team because one player went after tickets. Yes, where the tickets are encourage players to gather in that location. Short of maps that have relatively quick auto loss conditions, like some Pacific maps, players don't have to interact with them though. They do so entirely by choice. The tickets being in one place isn't as meta defining as you are making it out to be on most maps because there just isn't the actual requirement for players to engage with them. In reality it isn't 50/50 like you say. It is, at worst, 90/10 players to game and I'd argue closer to 97/3. Players choosing to go after ticket targets is a combination of boredom because they don't want to chase, desire to play bombers/attackers, a lack of good decision making, the desire to get easy rp/sl or, oddly enough, good decision making in trying to force someone running to come to them or lose via tickets. All of that is players choosing to interact with it. The few maps where one team has to interact or lose automatically is few and far between. Thus the "game mode" can't be greater than 10% of the blame at most.

@rainsilent it turns out that the game finishes by auto ticket bleed a disturbing amount of times. In fact it's one of the problems with air RB. Also, the starting and win conditions heavily influence how the players want to play. Keep in mind it's a game so people want to actually have fun. This usually leads them to doing anything rather than nothing. Combine that with the fact that the maps may be large but the objectives are concentrated in the middle of it, and you have a furball meta. Don't even get me started on top tier jets. Ultimately, the player does have all the agency. But nobody in the game takes off, turns 180 degrees, climbs to space then enters the middle of the map. Why? Because its boooring. As much as the players have the choice of what to do, they will choose the fun/engaging option 9 times out of 10 because of the carrot and stick nature of games: they play on our reward system to keep people engaged. So whilst people CAN spaceclimb off the side of the map, most people won't because like I said, it's a game and people want to have fun. Imagine instead if you started at 5000 metres and the objective was to shoot down a bomber formation at 10000m. We both know that the players would swarm like locusts up there, or at least try to. Then there's the fact that some planes just don't climb well. There are only a few players at high alt because only a few planes can get up there easily. Something like the P47 which performs well at alt but has a hard time getting there has to side climb. By the time you side climb up there, everyone else has gone down and there will still be some ki-44, yak 3 or 109 above you. Furthermore, given an enemy with a height advantage, most will dive down to escape it. This is what also causes the meta of low alt. If everyone was high up, the highest plane would still have an advantage, forcing everyone on the enemy team down so they don't die. Gravity causes this meta partly as well lol. So basically A) there's nothing up there (player related) because B) it's boring for most to get up there (game design related) or because C) other planes get there faster (game design) which leads to D) diving to escape (player and game related) and E) ground pounding because what else is there to do (game design), or ground pounding to win by tickets whilst the enemy is up in space enjoying the view Game design and games in general are an interaction between the structures in place and the players. It may not be 50/50 but in terms of the meta being defined its around that

@@nade5557 I know many games end by ticket bleed but on almost every map when it does it is because the players interacted with the ticket targets. If they didn't then ticket bleed would end in a tie and those don't happen often. Also if players didn't normal ticket bleed would end the match on it's own around the 25 minute mark or later on maps where bomber points respawn. Thus this entire issue of the game ending on ticket bleed is 99% of the time because of the players, not the game mode. "Also, the starting and win conditions heavily influence how the players want to play." Yes, no. There is an argument both ways here. Neither of which you touch on. Rather you make this very weak argument instead... "Keep in mind it's a game so people want to actually have fun. This usually leads them to doing anything rather than nothing. Combine that with the fact that the maps may be large but the objectives are concentrated in the middle of it, and you have a furball meta." This is 100% irrelevant to the point above, and, frankly, a fairly weak one. Yes, players want to have fun but if the tickets weren't tickets but just targets that were completely irrelevant to the game beyond just existing many players would still go after them regardless. As for furball meta it is going to happen regardless. On plenty of maps the furball doesn't happen above the tickets. Players have conditioned themselves to fly roughly to the middle of the map because that is where you typically run into enemy players. The average player isn't interested in proper tactical air combat. They just want herp a derp ace combat esque vibes. Thus they do the brain dead thing of just fly right into the enemy looking for easy kills. This has absolutely nothing to do with the tickets, where they are or any other element of the game mode. It is simply the nature of the average derpy WT player. More proof that it is closer to 90% players fault of what the "meta" is. "Ultimately, the player does have all the agency." Then why are you trying to argue a weak @ss position to the contrary and shift the blame from the players to Gaijin? "But nobody in the game takes off, turns 180 degrees, climbs to space then enters the middle of the map. Why? Because its boooring." 100% a you problem. Not a game mode problem. Likewise learning proper air combat is "boooring" to the average player too and you frequently see the average player throw rude comments at those that do. The average player doesn't give a $hit about playing smart, learning air combat or becoming a better player. All of those issues are the source to the problem we are discussing. This all has nothing to do with the tickets, the game mode or Gaijin in any way. I get that climbing for 5+ minutes gets boring fairly quick. This is why I typically fill that time with information gathering like map conditions, possible composition of the opposing team, how I am going to deal with potential threats given the environment, et cetera. This is where disciplining your mind to focus on what needs to be done is a difference maker. The greater the lack of mental discipline the more a given player will struggle. Or in situations where the teams are small and there isn't a lot of environmental conditions to take note of I just admire my aircraft/the scenery because WT can really be a beautiful game. This is something you can't do in AB jets because the time from takeoff to combat is usually under 2 mins. This is one major reason why I don't play jets. It can literally be just takeoff and jump straight into the action and I don't want that. "Imagine instead if you started at 5000 metres and the objective was to shoot down a bomber formation at 10000m. We both know that the players would swarm like locusts up there, or at least try to." No, they wouldn't. You think climbing from 100m to 5km in 5ish minutes is boooring? 5km to 10km is double that or more for most props in the game. Never mind that the higher in alt you go the slower the action gets. Meaning the longer it takes to run someone down, the longer it takes to climb up to a fight, everything takes double the time, if not more, to do something 8km+ than it does down at 2km. Combat 7km+ is a lot slower paced in props than at low alt and most of the player base doesn't have the patience, or discipline, to be patient in low altitude combat. Don't know what gives you the impression that that would change for high alt combat but it is arguably the least rational point you have presented thus far in this entire conversation. "By the time you side climb up there, everyone else has gone down and there will still be some ki-44, yak 3 or 109 above you." You want to see a Ki-44 or Yak-3, so long as it isn't a 3U or 3VK, above you in a P-47 at 6km+. That is a dumb player that doesn't know what they are doing. A Ki-44 or Yak-3 doesn't have the engine power to be a threat to a P-47 6km+ unless the P-47 is a bad player or just doesn't know how to fight at altitude. Above 6km the P-47 is faster and actually out climbs both of them. It also has significantly better energy retention 6km+. Abuse those advantages and those things will be very, very easy kills, even if you see them above you. "Furthermore, given an enemy with a height advantage, most will dive down to escape it. This is what also causes the meta of low alt." Most dive down because they are dumb, don't know what they are doing and don't have a plan. Entirely player fault, not game mode fault. "If everyone was high up, the highest plane would still have an advantage, forcing everyone on the enemy team down so they don't die." At high alt the highest plane does not have an advantage, or at least the advantage you think they might have. 7km+ what aircraft have the engine power to actually perform at those alts is way more important than who is higher. Also who is faster is way more important at those alts because energy retention is poor at those alts. Most aircraft are going to completely piss away all of their speed in less than 1 turn at those alts. The more speed you can carry the faster you can maneuver your aircraft around at those alts. Air combat 6km+ is very, very different to air combat 5km and below. "So basically A) there's nothing up there (player related) because B) it's boring for most to get up there (game design related) or because C) other planes get there faster (game design) which leads to D) diving to escape (player and game related) and E) ground pounding because what else is there to do (game design), or ground pounding to win by tickets whilst the enemy is up in space enjoying the view " A. Correct. B. Completely incorrect. It being boring to climb is a player problem. Impatience or lack of mental discipline isn't a game mode problem when the limitation is the aircraft. C. How is it game design of a 2010s game that the 109G out climbed the P-47D back in 1944? I'd love to see the logic behind this claim. D. Half right and half wrong. Players diving away has nothing to do with game mode. There is absolutely nothing you can do in the game mode, outside of punishing the players by auto killing them, to do anything about this. E. Tell that to Defyn or Pilot or virtually every one else that is a good fighter pilot. This isn't a game mode problem. It is a player decision making and mental discipline problem. "Game design and games in general are an interaction between the structures in place and the players. It may not be 50/50 but in terms of the meta being defined its around that" It isn't close. You yourself even admitted it above when you said this: "Ultimately, the player does have all the agency." You are trying to shoehorn excuses to shift the blame from the players, specifically their actions and decision making, to Gaijin.

The f4u-b is the absolute best corsair imo

Ah shit ur right Should have gone with the blue one Beluga whale just rolls of the tongue better as an insult 😩

D-28. The N is still the worst overall P-47 variant in the game.

@@rainsilent ok thanks