I Ride In The Boring Company Tunnel For The First Time! 

The boring stuff was over months ago.😏 This was something most of us won’t have a chance to do. Thanks👍🏼

I see what you did there

Lmao this ain't 1930 my boy, this the new era, all you haters mad about this brilliant idea don't even know.

@@jorgenambri3192 In what world is this a brilliant idea?

@@jorgenambri3192 Taxis in a tunnel is a new idea?

@@jorgenambri3192 Cars through tunnels; yeah, BRILLIANT IDEA. Who would have ever thought of that? Genius, really.

@@jorgenambri3192 nah you are just a fool who probably doesn’t work in a well paying job that requires decent judgement

They considered trains, but the companies that build trains wanted a lot more money to put one there. The company that proposed an elevated train wanted $215 million. They later lowered the price to $85 million, but TBC still had them beat at $50 million.

@@kevinbailey8827 And it doesn't take valuable real estate that could be used for many other revenue generating developments and its located in the most desirable areas by definition. Thus the opportunity cost is far higher than $85M.

@@kevinbailey8827 It would´ve been worth it, unlike this garbage.

@@DanRyzESPUK Next time you're buying, you can decide to spend four times as much.

@@kevinbailey8827 I live in a city that did buy it 100 years ago, and it runs much smoother than this shit. Only Teslamorons would be capable enough to think that Elon could re-invent the wheel (well, the yoke is literally that HAHAHAHAHA).

And a pretty inefficient one too. Imagine of you replace the road with twin-rails and link all the cars together to form... I don't know, a "metro"? And replace the outdoor ranks with a building that takes you down to the tracks to board these metros.

Idiocracy is getting closer by the day!

If you have ever been in Las Vegas in a cab on the strip in rush hour, you would know how fast and efficient this really is.

@@lesliefranklin1870 make public go on public transport and you'll get better on this me with a taxi. Simple, no need to re-invent the wheel, despite this dumb idea coming from galaxy level genius Elon Musk.

@@DanRyzESPUK Except people love their cars. Mass transit is and will ever be a dream.

The cars will drive themselves in the tunnels eventually

They'll be FSD soon.

@@TKevinBlanc they’ve been saying that for over a decade now🤣

@@TKevinBlanc soon! yeah my ass!🤣🤣🤣

Yeah, it would've been more cost-effective and moved more people to just put in an automated metro.

they wanted it to be autonomous but I think the local government only allowed human drivers and these slow speeds. like loop was supposed to go really fast and then hyperloop even faster

This isn't the release version. Just a Beta. They started even slower a few months ago.

Speed isn't necessary when it's less than two miles long. It's already much faster than walking or dealing with surface traffic.

It's really a regression of transportation since subway trains exist lmao.

yes a regression. But at what cost? Probably 1/10 of a subway train system. And also way less time to build.

A Giga Electric Bus or A Starship Tram would have done the same cheaper. We absolutely don't need this in more Cities 😭

The stupidest project ever… The loop is just a silly tourist attraction with no real world value.

A lot more expensive and time consuming to put in tracks, electrify the rail, provide multiple trains, along with the need to build a much bigger tunnel to accommodate the trains along with a switching yard and maintenance on the trains. Plus passengers would have to stop at every station. Also if one train breaks down, the whole system is seriously affected whereas if one car breaks down, it's not that big of a deal. The cars may eventually self-drive as well. Definitely has some advantages.

There are only two stops. If a car breaks down - the tunnel is closed completely. The cars can only accommodate an exceedingly small number of passengers - so it is pretty much useless except as a PR stunt. The cars need to be driven - the driver has to be paid. The entire idea is stupid.

@@kenbob1071 😂🤣 Electric buses would have been better as for waiting at each station with this the cars travel half full because people are going at different stations at different times 😂🤣 What switchbored it is a damn loop two trains in a loop would be enough It is so easy to make self driving work in a controlled environment but it is going to make the system even more stupid because the car will have to park and people embark and this embark at different rates AND WHAT ABOUT HANDICAPPED PEOPLE?

Yes, AND, these tunnels, stations, vehicles cost a “tiny fraction” of what a normal subway costs to build.

@@PeteLenz and moves an even tinier fraction of people

Its no seecret that car companies pay good money to not have good transportation services. I would love there to be a highspeed train running from LA to Vegas.

@@EUC-lid 4400 passengers per hour, cheap and very fast to build, so why not?

Is a mass transit system their goal here? Or is it a way to move visitors From one place to another? Serious question. This seems as much about tourists as it does about "mass" transit.

Imagine if that vehicle could change elevations quickly, like emerging from a tunnel. Imagine if that vehicle could change lengths from station to station, based on who wanted to ride to where. Imagine if it could leave whenever a rider arrived, rather than waiting 15 minutes or a half hour to get a reasonable number or passengers. Imagine if swapping in new cars was merely a matter of driving one up and driving another away.

How about those old timey cars at Cedar Point that are connected to the track. Not very fast, but then the loop is only 0.8 miles end to end. Half that distance to get from the end stations to the central station. Don't even need a paid taxi driver.

hmm.. that does sound like a train..🤨 tech visionaries with the goal to change mankind and conquer space don’t do trains! singular pods maybe but only if they travel in a complete vacuum. In 40 years…

Well well well, that sounds like a metro train eh..!

Imagine if it didn't require a vehicle elevator (or 500 ft long full-width ramp) to bring the entire vehicle to the surface in the middle of the city! And just bring the passengers to the surface instead!! Or imagine riding a mile on a $200 bicycle in a 9 foot wide separated bike lane in the fresh air in 6 minutes, instead of riding a mile in a $60 000 vehicle in a multi-million dollar 15 foot diameter mechanically ventilated tunnel in 2 minutes!

But it´s deranged to see so many Teslamorons in the comments praising this.

But people in the USA love their cars and they enjoy driving versus trains. Also, in the USA they love flying... Rapid trains are not a thing in the USA unless its a subway system in a city: DMV, NYC, San Francisco, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston and Philly. People will literally drive or hope on a plane.

Not always a good thing to give up your autonomy. A car lets you go anywhere, anytime. Governments love mass transit as they can precisely control citizen movement.

Yeah something like Star Train Station To Station 🚉🌟😎

@@aussie2uGA Wow 😂🤣 your paranoid

@@sexpistill lol this is 2022 no longer 1962...

They don’t. The Boring company bought a junked retired boring machine and pretended they invented tunneling. But got unserious transportation ppl to cover it like it is a solution.

They are short tunnels, so they don't need dedicated emergency exits. There's almost nothing in the tunnels to catch fire, except for the car batteries. Battery fires aren't as common as you might think. I've passed cars burning on the highway that didn't make the national news, but every battery fire gets a lot more attention. To deal with fires if they do occur, they worked with the Clark County Fire Department. They have an air handling system that can direct heat, smoke, and fumes in either direction, allowing for evacuation, and for emergency responders to safely reach the fire. They don't drive ambulances or fire trucks into the tunnels (any more than they would drive them into other subway tunnels), but I think there are water pipes under the roadway they can tap into. If there is a fire, or any other emergency that causes traffic to stop, the cars ahead of the emergency will keep going to the next station, leaving that part of the tunnel completely clear. The cars behind the emergency will begin to reverse to the previous station. Drivers are trained to do this. Passengers in the vehicles that are stopped can walk out, or wait for help (if it's safe to remain). They can even catch a ride with one of the cars that's reversing.

@@kevinbailey8827 that doesn't sound safe at all

Fires, car breakdowns etc... It doesn't seem like you have enough room to open the car doors in the tunnel. especially a gull wing (Maybe there's some type to towing tug kept at each side of the tunnel or at central station). . I'd hope there's some type of glass break tool under the seats of every car going into that tunnel, so you could at least smash the windows and scramble out of a car that is disabled or on fire. . (I do like the entrance transition from fake rock to smooth tunnel.)

@@markbajek2541 The doors can open. The roadway is 9 feet wide and wider where the doors need to open. The falcon wing doors automatically sense obstacles, and they are designed to open in tight spaces, like the parking spaces and garages where they normally open. Breakdowns while driving are rare, and fires even more so (haven't happened yet in these tunnels), but they have procedures and equipment to deal with them, including a ventilation system and tow vehicles. The fake rock is real rock, I think.

Salty much?

@@drummaboi7463 fanboi much?

I think the exiting thing is that they built this in a really short time for a very low price. Meanwhile train projects take a decade and usually you can add another 5 years of delay and price usually 2x over those 15 years building it.

@@LunnarisLP that is how long it takes to build in the US. China and Europe have built thousands of miles of high speed rail in 15 years

@@LunnarisLP This is purely depending on whos building it.

This would be much cheaper and faster to build, and obviously hardly any operational costs, than building a new tram. Those can take a decade or two to happen if the city can do it at all, and by the time you buy or seize land from people to make the space for whatever route you need. Underground is whatever direction you need. And as they said. it shuts down when no conventions. Light rail operationally can cost double or more what a bus costs and this is cheaper yet without dealing with local traffic, which is even more during conventions.

@@davidmccarthy6061 They've already built the infrastructure. If they had built what they did but put tracks at the bottom you have a fully grade separated rail tunnel with what could be way higher capacity than some people driving cars through it. And no need to pay nearing 70 people Las Vegas wages to drive, two or three rail vehicles would work the same.

@@davidmccarthy6061 60 Teslas and drivers for all those cars is definitely not cheap; operational costs for that many drivers is a costly ongoing expenditure. And the fact that it only runs during conventions would be true of whatever transit used the tunnel. An electric tram that has multiple cars linked together has got to be cheaper with lower operation costs than running individual quasi-luxury cars, each with their own driver. I could understand the argument of cars if they ran autonomously but one of the drivers said the tunnel is incompatible with the sensors (not sure why that is but I’ll take the comment for what it is).

It didn’t even have to be a train or tram. Just make it like a ride in amusement parks.

@@fredericoduvel3092 Las Vegas is all about experiences. Even your suggestion would make more sense. :)

You probably don't need escape areas if your car doors can't easily open to exit the car. Maybe you could bust out a back window before the car bursts into flames and then run away from the car to the nearest station..

@@markbajek2541 yea better keep running buddy

Its about distance between points of escape. I think this tunnel meets those standards (762m (2500ft) between points of escape to the surface or 244m (800ft) between cross passages connecting adjacent tunnels) from my limited knowledge. Local regulations may differ. If it didn't meet the requirements I don't think it would be able to operate. Not that i consider it safe in any way.

Its a deathtrap basically. Cant even get out.

understandable you would be skeptical or not impressed, but The Boring Company actually won against multiple competitions that proposed railway systems and this car-tunnel fulfills the passenger volume requirements.

Oh just bought electric buses 😭

Much cheaper and faster to build a small tunnel that doesn't require rails and electrification, special trains, etc.

@@kenbob1071 less efficient use though.

@@cenakaze The passenger volume requirements of people walking across the convention center campus. $47M to build it, and $2M/year to operate it. They could have saved $40M and just run a similar fleet of golf carts along existing routes.

Like they have tunnels where cars go through in DC 😳 you don't say

Oh yes. Washington DC has it all figured out. Never any traffic there!

@@Walrus286 Of course there is traffic there and its because DC is a huge Metropolis and people love cars..

@@sexpistill Various cars tunnels under the National Mall that is an underground freeway..

Dear M, first sentence “…there is literally tunnels…” deserves editing. First, “is” and “tunnels” is incorrect verb tense. “is” is singular and “tunnels” is plural “There are tunnels” is correct grammar. The term “literal” is superfluous and not used correctly as tunnels are in existence. Thanks.

You can't even make it drive itself in a controlled environment because it has to wait for people to come in and get off and also know when there are other cars in the tunnel or recognize when a passenger has emergency 😂🤣 A car is just about the worst possible idea for this purpose They couldn't even make the navigation work on the cars screen they are using tablets but sure they will soon be self driving taxis printing money

@@sexpistill Elon promised full self driving "by the end of the year" every single year for the past 4 years. It's pathetic.

wdym only 1 car at a time? It can have 70 vehicles at a time in its current form. It adjusts dynamically based on demand, which trains are not as flexible

True

@@lightbox8019 And then you get a traffic jam

Patience. Yes, they will be automated.

@@Seehart Maybe one day, they would also change the road to rails and link a bunch of those cars together....

@@fasha7747 that would defeat the whole point. Why link them together? Why have rails? Historically, rail and high occupancy result in higher energy efficiency at the expense of convenience. But the efficiency difference is becoming vanishingly small. I know it's counterintuitive to see why low occupancy can be advantageous, but consider the familiar concept of a train schedule. Now that you have a train schedule in your mind, now consider a train schedule with 30 second departures nonstop to your specific destination. But that's impossible because you either have to stop to pick up passengers or be an express train to limited destination with infrequent departures and/or lots of empty seats. You can't have it both ways. The Vegas loop will have frequent departures all of which are nonstop to any desired destination. Automation, when available, will increase merge efficiency to approach the time efficiency of linked cars without loss of flexibility. Also, autonomous EVs will be able to share the system, so nonstop point to point travel will include external origins and destinations. Adding rail would lose that benefit. And no, you don't get to call that feature a fail just because it wasn't deployed immediately in the pilot program. It will probably take a year to integrate external automated EVs.

Can you provide a link to those regulations? We also have regulations here, which The Boring Company has to comply with .

This project is contracted for the convention center, not whatever Elon may have wanted to do. I'm sure other, longer, Boring projects may be different.

this isn't a hyperloop dude. It's a small convention center people mover.

@@lightbox8019 And what a mess it is. And of course I know it’s not a hyperloop. The tunnel could probably make a good starting point to fix the convention center problem but obviously having a bunch of cars running down there definitely won’t solve it. Now, if they can install tracks and have at least 3 or 4 electric automated wagons running every ten minutes on peak hours and moving at least 200 people every ten minutes, something like that could be a real solution. Otherwise they just wasting money and creating a recipe for an eventual disaster to happen.

@@rmercado8138 This is actually by far the cheapest solution, it’s also being expanded to 30 miles within Las Vegas. Self driving will come eventually but it’s dependent on the much larger scope that Tesla is trying to achieve. Average wait time during CES was less than 15 seconds, max vehicles used was 70. Those are very good stats. Suppose average of 2 per car (max cap for now is 5) That’s 700 every 10 minutes with even higher efficiency per vehicle than the best electric people movers

@@lightbox8019 i don’t believe those stats because I have worked as a taxi driver myself and I know for sure it doesn’t work that way. You’re only taking into account the time a single ride takes assuming a single car is running down on the tunnel. You are not taking into account the time passenger take to open doors, put away belongings if they are carrying some, fasten their seatbelts-sometimes they need help-and then repeating the same process backwards when they get to their destination. Those steps alone can sometimes take way more time than the whole ride. And then as a driver you have to wait for cars in front of you dropping off passengers, that also adds time to the process. All those variables need to be taken into account to be realistic. If you want have an idea just look how much time drivers take to pick up and drop off passengers at busy hotels and airports. And I’m not even mentioning car malfunctions or drivers sudden illnesses. As a taxi driver I can imagine how fatigued those drivers working those tunnels are after a couple of hours; a real hazard.

@@rmercado8138 these are stats from the boring company from one of the conventions centers biggest events (CES). Average ride is 2 minutes, entering the car is simple. What matters is that during this peak time. Average wait for a car was 15 seconds. The cars have safety systems so that is not really a problem. They even track symptoms of fatigue.

Cool? What's so cool going in an underground Uber at a max of 30mph. Boring is a failed project since day 1. It will never work

@@silimarina. it’s working right now. We’re talking about it. I don’t think it was ever intended to be a true mass transit system. Like the silly (not)flamethrowers, they sold, it’s to keep the conversation/buzz going.

The LVCC Loop was never to be a mass transit city solution. It's entirely for the Vegas Convention Center for events. Came in at 1/4 the price of an above ground tram that was going to move the exact same amount of people. So far, the LVCC Loop is a complete success and has done all that it promised the client it would do. AI driving is supposed to start this year. We will see. The Vegas Loop is the mass transit city solution and is under construction now. It's being built completely free to the city and has an expected max capacity of 57,000 pph, enough to surpass all except the 5 busiest subway systems in the US (pre-covid numbers).

it´s not even cool, its embarrasing

Maybe put some rails in the tunnel, let a little train drive up and down and call it a subway.

They've already moved over 1,000 people per hour with the current setup. They will eventually not need drivers and plan to be able to handle over 4,000 people per hour. The CES has over 140K attendees so the plans are to be able to move 3% of them per hour without further expansion. They are just getting started. I don't think they want to take resources away from the big push to get Full Self Driving working to devout resources to get auto-pilot working in the tunnels but it's definitely coming. The FSD team includes over 1,000 people in California teaching the computers how to label objects it sees. The cost for these part-time drivers is down in the noise.

@@BitJam A dumb as would get that thing to work in a controlled environment 😂🤣 Musk wanted to dig a tunnel it didn't matter what for. ELECTRIC BUSES WOULD DO THE SAME JOB

@@sexpistill What bus can fit inside that small of a tunnel? Big tunnels cost big bucks.

@@kenbob1071 you could fit some of the lower busses in there, maybe even some light rail if you don't make any sharp turns. The average bus is not much wider then these teslas, in terms of height they should be fine as well. But that is taking off the shelf vehicles, you could easily make one custom for these tunnels, and if you put in rails you wouldn't need to worry about veering too far from the center, allowing more space for passengers, and automation would be a breeze. And elon wouldn't disagree, as he promised bus-like vehicles that could carry at least 16 people. Though we have yet to see anything other then concepts, and i doubt it's high on his priority list.

Source on that efficiency number? Also using average riders per vehicle and not max potential. With 3 passengers in a model y you get 788 pmpge do you have a stat like that for trains?

well actually it was a really cheap tunnel, so much cheaper that Vegas decided it was by far the cheapest option to do what they needed it to do lol

@@LunnarisLP It looks like a cheap tunnel as well.

The cars get used over and over, and the people using this underground transit system will not be in vehicles above ground, adding to traffic. This will not solve traffic by itself, any more than a subway train would. But like a subway it gives many people another option for travel, rather than cars on the surface. Once you have that option, you can make the surface less friendly to vehicles, and more people will choose the transit system. Downtown Las Vegas used to be an iconic drive, but 25 years ago they shut down the street and made it pedestrian only. They could do the same to parts of Las Vegas Blvd., if they wanted.

@@kevinbailey8827 When you say it won't solve the traffic jams problem any more than the subway, I think it's important to acknowledge that a subway system as opposed to a tunnel for individual cars would be more effective in reducing traffic jams. A subway allows more passengers to travel per meter square and is more effective in transporting million of passengers per year. The idea of having individual cars in a tunnel is not scalable and consequently it's a false solution. It's far more efficient to use that surface for a mass public transport. I suspect this "boring" system is only for few American who are willing to pay high fees to access to such service. Leaving the majority of Americans in traffic jams...

@@The3Pragmatic The fees for the Las Vegas Loop are reported to be $5 to $20 per vehicle, depending on the length of the journey (longest journey being about 15 miles). These are unsubsidized fares. All metro systems in the US are subsidized, because they all lose money per passenger. Vegas won't be subsidized (by government, at least), but other cities that consider the Loop can choose to subsidize fares to encourage ridership. The problem with subways is that all of the passengers tend to stop at all of the stations until they get to their destination. Some of the passengers will have to get off the train before their destination and wait for another train on a different track to take them onward. They need some of that extra capacity because they're trapping so many in the system for so long. Getting to your destination faster is a benefit for passengers, and makes them more likely to choose your system, but it also frees up those seats to transport other passengers. I expect we'll see larger capacity vehicles added to the mix of vehicles in these tunnels. That will affect the capacity of the system.

@@kevinbailey8827 Why don't you compare the potential numbers of people who would benefit from both systems? I suggest that you compare the number of passengers per day a subway line would allow as opposed to the number of people who could travel using a simple tunnel for cars. Very quickly you would realise that a mass transport system would beat any alternative. Moreover, 20 dollars for 15 miles is very expensive for most of the Americans. As I thought this "boring" tunnel is for wealthy people. Think about it, if you drive in a 15 miles tunnel every day, on both directions. It would cost 40 $ per day. Multiply that by 20 working days a month, it would be 800 $ per month. Clearly a system for wealthy people. As I said, most of the Americans would not be able to afford such "alternative" for their daily commute. If the idea is to solve traffic jams, a subway system would be more efficient and inclusive as most of the Americans can afford it. And if we have to subsidize subways, then let's do it since it reduces traffic jams, stress and pollution in big cities.

@@The3Pragmatic My idea is to wait and see this Las Vegas Loop built and then compare it to similarly sized metros in other places. Obviously it would be dumb to compare it to a huge metropolis. As I said, I expect that if other cities adopt loops due to their lower initial costs to build versus traditional subways, the costs to riders will be subsidized. I think you missed the part where the $20 fare is per-vehicle. If I rode in a car with three other people, my daily fare for round-trip would be $10. And that's if the fare is unsubsidized. And if larger vehicles are part of the mix, the unsubsidized fares get smaller. One pod carrying 20 passengers brings the fare down to a dollar each. There are many ways to make a Loop system more efficient. With the larger pods, it can act more like a traditional subway, but with fewer stops because it only stops if there is a passenger who wants to get off or a passenger who wants to get on and is going where most of the current passengers are going. The fare would be a couple of bucks if unsubsidized. It could be free if the local government wanted to subsidize and make it a clear choice over driving. And the sedans could still operate using the same tunnels for people who want to pay the higher fare, $20 divided by up to four people, to go point to point with no stopping. You really don't have to go full train (with the inefficiencies that come with trains).

Simple: 1. Fanboyism 2. Hypeitis 3. Paid advertisementosis (possibly)

That sounds expensive. Where are you going to get $150 million or more to make that happen?

Model Ys have a convenient escape hatch in the back. Maybe this is why they are only using Model Ys and Model Xs.

@@BitJam and then you have to jog several miles in a closed off underground tunnel while another car approaches to block your escape route? Nice.

Well not ideal having to crawl from the front part of the car then over the middle seats into the boot before jumping out during an emergency situation where all it takes to be screwed would be to have another car right behind you all the while trying not to chock to death from fumes, just saying but still cool and different

Looks like there's room to open the doors --it just looks tight on camera. The Model X has gull-wing doors that are designed to open up in tight parking spaces as well. But maybe you have the exact measurements...if so, let us know. Edit: the tunnel cutter head is over 12 feet in diameter and the car widths are just over 6 feet.

@@alvadagansta The cars in front of you will have kept going. The cars behind you will reverse out of the tunnel (but you might be able to catch a ride with one of them. Whichever way you escape, a ventilation system will blow smoke and fumes in the other direction. They do have equipment and procedures to deal with fires. They worked with the local fire department to practice them. A fire would be terrible, of course. It's a good thing spontaneous fires while driving are quite rare. Those that have happened have mostly been traced back to causes that can be use to prevent fires among the loop's fleet vehicles.

The car keeps driving. Pretty sure the X has emergency door release as well. If the car breaks down in the tunnel and you cannot walk away, emergency personnel can get there within minutes.

@@anthonypelchat What if you're in a traffic jam (which we've all seen videos of) and there's a fire? Then what? Just sit there and wait while the flames come towards you?

@@bobbarker6540 One, that wasn't a traffic jam. It was a single minute delay due to a fluke issue. The entire trip from the first station to the third took 4 minutes including the "jam" that everyone lost their minds over. There was also only one video out of the entire week long show and around 100,000 riders that had a delay at all. Two, get out of the car and walk. Not a big deal. Unless you're suggesting that numerous extremely unlikely things all at the same time. A fire in a Tesla is extremely rare, especially never when moving and not in a high speed wreck. Debris at high speed penetrating the battery pack used to be able to cause a fire, but that has been fixed for years, plus debris won't be in the tunnels. So a fire with a door jam and a major traffic jam in the tunnel isn't going to happen.

@@anthonypelchat Fires in tunnels are not an everyday occurrence. We prepare for the worst case scenario, not the best. You can't even open the Tesla's doors all the way. How is this safe?

@@anthonypelchat Also, that "single minute delay" is what we would call a traffic jam. I can't remember this ever happening to me when taking the subway.

I doubt the Vancouver system is profitable at $5 bucks a ride and it's most likely subsidized with tax dollars for operational costs , not to mention the $$$$$ of tax dollars it took to construct it.

@@markbajek2541 Of course! But the fact remains that a mid-size metropolitan area can actually afford to transport 160 million people a year on an underground, electrified, driverless system, a grand total of 450 million people a year if you include the largely electrified surface bus system. I'd love to know the real cost per ride of the Las Vegas tunnel, and what the projected costs are for real-world systems. Like a lot of people, I just can't see any logic (economic, environmental, or social) of drilling tunnels under cities for use by individual cars. Besides the enormous cost of construction, it comes down to a simple issue of physical space in congested urban areas, both in avoiding other city underground infrastructure, and in the surface area required in a city to get cars into and out of these tunnels (ramps, elevators, associated waiting zones, etc.). Sometimes I wonder if Elon has so much money that this 'urban car tunnel' thing is a huge practical joke. Maybe it will turn out to make sense in some situations, but I can't see it.

@@markbajek2541 unlike uhh… a stupid tesla you will have to buy for this

@@markbajek2541 Cost is not the only thing you have to look at. There's the benefit of getting cars of the road thus improving traffic and air quality. People with low income aren't forced to get, maintain and insure a car. You're also less likely to have uninsured drivers thereby reducing insurance premiums for actual insured drivers. Less cars on the road mean less traffic and better for those that actually need to drive for whatever reason. Less wear and tear on the roads etc

@@markbajek2541 It's not about making a profit, it's about providing people with a service.

Clearly this dude just has a constant hard on for Tesla. "Oh look a button to open the door, I need one of those in my car." You mean like a fucking door handle? Idiot.

They paid for the tunnel and pay him to operate it plus free add for his cars why not make none branded pods 😂😭

There was nothing in the video that said the system didn't "live up to any of his predictions." Where are you getting that from? Provide source of data please.

Isn't the Model Y doing sub 200 already when just driving normally around town :D

@@LunnarisLP oh, maybe. I guess I'm so used to my 2018 model 3 without heat pump

Every single point in Thunderfoot’s breathless “debunking the Loop” videos are incorrect or a distortion. Here’s my own debunking of his last video on the subject if you’re interested: 1. 16-passenger pods shown in concept renderings were not promised or written in the contract for the initial Las Vegas Loop. They were shown as possible FUTURE options for the Loop topology and may happen eventually for large crowds going to and from specific venues like the Allegiant Stadium
. However, the current 5-7 passenger EVs have their own advantages in terms of point-to-point routing in that they can efficiently transport even just a couple of people at a time direct to their specific destination without having to wait to fill the vehicle with a large number all going to that same location. 2. Thunderf00t says the LVCC Loop promised speeds of up to 150mph which is not true as it would be absurd to expect those sorts of speeds along the very short 0.4 mile spur tunnels between the three stations. What TBC did say was such speeds would be possible in the 29 mile future Las Vegas-wide Loop which has much longer high speed tunnels capable of handling such speeds. And TBC has actually driven visitors at 127mph (205kph) in the companies 1.14 mile test tunnel in Hawthorne California with RU-vid clips from 2 years ago showing it in action. 3. Showing video of empty stations when there are no conventions on is dishonest as the current LVCC Loop is designed exclusively to transport convention goers from one side of the venue to another. Of course there are few passengers when there isn’t a large convention taking place. 4. Thunderf00t then criticises Musk for not yet delivering Full Self Driving software for EVs on the open road while ignoring the fact that TBC demonstrated Autopilot running in the TBC test tunnel over 2 years ago driving real passengers down their Hawthorne test tunnel at 90mph. He also ignored the fact that the LVCC Loop contract only specifies full autonomy being delivered in December this year. 5. He calls the tunnel claustrophobic ignoring the fact that at 12.5 feet internal diameter it is larger than standard 10 foot pedestrian tunnels. And of course there is a good three feet on either side of the 6’ wide EV to open doors - more than shopping centre parking - in the rare event evacuation is necessary. 6. Subways are actually far more dangerous considering evacuating 1,000 panicking people from a crashed or disabled subway train is far more difficult and dangerous than getting the couple of occupants to jump into the next EV in the tunnel. He makes a big deal about there being no emergency exists while ignoring the fact that each of these spur tunnels are only 0.4 miles long and as I say other EVs would easily render assistance as needed in the event of a mishap. Likewise, in the greater Las Vegas Loop, with 17 stations per two miles, that means there are exit tunnels to a station every 95m on average (two spur tunnels per station). 7. He has stated that the tunnel has no smoke alarms or ventilation system ignoring the fact that there is in fact a “ventilation system that can move 400,000 cubic feet of air per minute in either direction down the tunnels” and many smoke alarms and cameras everywhere, above and beyond what was required in the contract. 8. He has also ignored the fact that every Tesla has a “bio-weapons defence mode” with a hospital-grade HEPA filtration system to filter out the fumes and toxins of any fires that might occur. The HEPA filter is about 10 times larger than cabin air filters in most cars and is 100 times more effective than a normal car air filter able to even filter out respiratory COVID particles. 9. He says the tunnels are too small to fit emergency vehicles ignoring the fact that there have been “45 safety drills already conducted with local first responders at the company’s Convention Center loop, which is already in operation. Those drills included tunnel rescue training.” 10. He says there is no room for a tow truck ignoring the fact that there is a dedicated Tesla EV tow vehicle located permanently at the Loop. 11. The full 29 mile Loop will allow far faster travel times for passengers as the EVs won’t have to stop at every one of the stations between departure and destination in the 51-station Loop as a train has to do. Instead, the EVs will travel at high speed direct point-to-point to its destination 5x faster than a slow train. This is because the Loop allows each station to be located off the high speed main tunnel arteries on short spur tunnels like the ones in the LVCC Loop currently and thus bypass every station until it gets to it’s destination. Think of the spur tunnels like freeway on-ramps and off-ramps to the high speed main artery tunnels. 12. The completion date WAS announced as being 3 years from now with stations going on line immediately as they are constructed rather than having to wait for the entire network to be created. Thunderf00t of course ignores the fact that the current system was a learning exercise for TBC and used the old Godot Tunnel Boring Machine (TBM) which was basically an off-the-shelf boring machine. They already have their new custom-designed “Pufrock" TBM onsite already digging the next two tunnels to Resorts World at speeds that are already 6x faster than Godot. Unlike Godot used for the LVCC, Prufrock does not need big expensive caverns to be slowly excavated at the start and end of each tunnel into which the TBM was lifted. Prufrock simply digs straight into and out of the ground at an angle, far faster using a “porpoising” technique. Also, all the 51 new stations are simple above-ground stations, not like the big expensive underground station in the centre of the LVCC, which are far faster to construct as well as being far cheaper. 13. Timelines. Yes Musk has his own “Elon-time” for some promised timelines and he has said himself “If you set a realistic 10 years of work to be accomplished as a 10 year goal, you typically waste the first 9 years, then try to catch up. if you set the same 10 years work as a 6 month goal, you still won't accomplish it in 6 months, but you'll have a lot less to do in the remaining 9 and a half years..." However, he has delivered on so many industry-shattering products that he has demonstrated he can deliver on the important things. 5 different models of mass-market Tesla EVs capturing 66% market share in the US, turning around the entire auto industry to EVs, Grid-scale batteries, Home batteries, cheap global satellite internet, re-useable rockets capturing 65% marketshare decimating Russia, Arianespace, and the US OldSpace industry, the upcoming fully re-useable Starship, etc etc. He has got the runs on the board to earn our respect and acknowledge that he’ll also eventually deliver those technologies that are still a work-in-progress. 14. The Fare quoted is for a whole EV so if your family, friends, tour group, or others going to the same destination share an EV, the price of $5-20 per Vegas Loop EV works out as $1-$5 per person compared to: - $25 - $37 for gridlocked taxis - $6 per person via gridlocked bus - $5 per person for the Vegas Monorail which doesn't go anywhere and has gone bankrupt twice. 15. Thunderf00t compares the price to an Uber ignoring of course the fact that your Uber will be mired in Vegas gridlock taking 30 minutes to get across town while the Loop EV travels there at high speed underground at speeds up to 150mph in 5 minutes. 16. The tunnels do not cost $55m per mile. The $48m that TBC was paid ($5m went to other consultants) covered 2 above -ground stations costing about $2-5m each, 1.9 miles of tunnels costing $10m per mile and an underground station that cost $30-40m (yes TBC sucked up the extra cost as a learning exercise). How about a bit of honesty TF? 17. The proof is in the pudding with the fact that TBC is going to pay for the cost of ALL 29 miles of tunnels ITSELF with the 51 hotels and casinos paying for the construction costs of their own stations at the front doors of their establishments. The taxpayer will have to pay ZERO dollars. In contrast, an 8 mile NYC-class subway line down the Las Vegas Strip would cost taxpayers an eye-watering $3-$8 billion dollars. Who's expensive now TF? 18. Of course the EVs will have to slow down when they round the few 90 degree bends in the tunnels, but the rest of the time they can accelerate to 150mph as demonstrated in TBC’s 1.14 mile test tunnel which has already shown how easy it is to achieve 129mph (200kph) on that much shorter length. It is beyond sad how cycnical, untruthful and distorted Thunderf00t's drive for clicks is with this continuation of his vitriol-laden anti-innovation, Musk-Hate crusade.

@@andrewfranklin4429 looks like copy and paste to me. Anyway, you can buy into any religion you want to, it's your own choice. It's fine for me if Musk is your god, just stop trying to convince me.✌️

@@andrewfranklin4429 "The taxpayer will have to pay ZERO dollars." ITS ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR WITH TAX DOLLARS. Elon Musk is a huge conman.

@@bobbarker6540 not sure what you mean Bob? The 29 mile, 51 station Las Vegas Loop is a new project where The Boring Co is building the 29 miles of tunnels at no cost and the 51 hotels, casinos, the University and Allegiant Stadium are paying for their own stations on their front doorsteps. No tax dollars involved.

@@johannes6721 sorry to hear you believe Thunderfoot’s distortions and lies Johannes. Let me know if there are any particular points you’d like me to provide data and references for and I’d be happy to provide.

I think they're at the ends of the tunnels. The interview I saw with a spokesperson from the Clark County Fire Department said they were impressed with the ventilation, but didn't say exactly where the machinery was.

The Loop tunnels are 3.8 metres (12.5 feet) diameter. No claustrophobia risk at all. No tunnels or subway stations made in the last 100+ years have been made for the vastly cheaper cost of the Loop.

@@andrewfranklin4429 Nonsense. The cost-effectiveness of a subway is UNBEATABLE. Teslamoron.

@@DanRyzESPUK no need to be nasty Dan. the Loop is actually more energy efficient, more time efficient and more throughput efficient than a traditional subway once you understand how the different topology works. The LVCC Loop readily and easily scales from 62 EVs during large conventions down to a handful of EVs during off-peak hours and all the way down to just 1 EV for staff when no conventions are running. They will go fully autonomous soon so drivers wages won’t be required. And of course the recently announced 51 station 29 mile Loop will extend that throughout the rest of the Las Vegas Strip moving 57,000 people per hour, equivalent to a subway line. Tesla EVs in the Loop tunnels are significantly more energy efficient than rail since they don’t have to keep accelerating and then braking and stopping, then accelerating then braking and stopping at each and every station unlike an inefficient subway. This is also why the EVs are far faster - they don’t have to stop at every one of the 20 stations between your departure and destination. They go straight there at high speed. Much more efficient in terms of each passenger’s time being 5x faster to get passengers to their destinations compared to a subway.

@@DanRyzESPUK and the Loop is VASTLY less costly.

For the cost of one subway station, you could build between 50 - 350 Loop stations. For every 1 mile of subway tunnel you could build between 10 - 100 miles of Loop tunnel. 
 For example, a 15 mile 20 station light rail would cost $3 billion while a subway would cost an eye-watering $8 billion. In comparison, the now under-construction 29 mile, 51 station Loop is being built at ZERO cost to taxpayers and additional stations only cost around $2m each (vs $100m for a subway station) so more and more hotels and casinos and shopping centres are signing up each week to get a Loop station at their front door joining the University, Allegiant Stadium etc.

@@andrewfranklin4429 That´s elitism for you. "Oh! It goes where I want to, I don´t want to share space with the plebs and stop where they are". Those tunnels could well serve for a proper subway system, where the transport mass density is much faster. In Madrid the subway takes over 60 million people a year (on a metropolitan area of barely 5 million). How much input of passengers this system can afford?? You teslamorons (yes, you´re deranged people already) suck up all the nonsense from prophet Musk, hallowed be his name, and never stop to consider the functionality of his ideas, that only serve the elites that he´s part of. That´s why I despise people like you. You´re part of a cult. There´s a reason why this hasn´t been done in any other country in the world, and hopefully never will, because it´s hugely wasteful and only serves a tiny minority, the opposite of mass transit.

If you owned a Tesla you wouldn't be allowed to drive in these tunnels. Only the TBC-owned vehicles get to drive in these tunnels. However, if you attend a convention at the LVCC, you can take a ride in one, for free.

Vegas has several raised rail systems, including a monorail. The Boring Company is currently building a longer version of this, with 29 miles of tunnels and 51 stations under the strip. It will serve most of the casinos, including downtown and Allegiant stadium. Eventually it will go to the airport. That loop will be open to the public, for a fee. They say rides will be $5-20, depending on distance. That's per vehicle, not per person. So very competitive with Uber.

Thanksgiving for the additional detail! That makes sense

Check out reviews of Tesla drivers who are using the FSD beta. That will show you how close they are. It should be very easy to do FSD in these tunnels, but the issue is whether local authorities will allow it. I heard there are provisions in the contract for how and how much FSD will have to be tested in these tunnels before they can use it for passengers. I think for a loop, Tesla and TBC must develop a version of FSD that allows for remote control and dispatching. Also, the cars (and other vehicles) should be able to communicate with each other (perhaps through the dispatch system) to negotiate merges and other interactions. It helps that all vehicles are using the same system.

They are simply not allowed to use it yet. Supposed to be active this year. Pretty sure that they wanted it after CES, but could be wrong. Either way, the client decided against AI driving, not TBC nor the tech.

@@kevinbailey8827 I have FSD, we aren't close to the public getting FSD. Unless Dojo provides MASSIVE (I can't increase font size enough) improvements we aren't getting anywhere near public release until sometime 2023. And that's me being as generous as I could possibly be. When I say public, I mean ALL the people who paid for it. I've been using the subscription, it is not set to renew at the moment and will run out close to the end of the month. But if we get Beta 11 and it seems substantially better all of a sudden then I may pop back in. Videos of the cars on the west coast (pretty much in California) make it look REALLY close. It seems so good at just going forward with some turns. But at least where I live it makes bad decisions too often. And that's in places regular auto pilot will handle just fine. It has improved update after update in locations I reported the footage like 5+ times but that can't be what it takes in the long run. That will take too long. FSD has been going for AT LEAST 2 years now and the cars kinda struggle to do what we consider very easy maneuvers...like turning from a stop sign...with no traffic in a reasonable amount of time. Don't get me wrong, it can work great sometimes and I give my car pats on the dash/steering wheel when it does (...yeah anyway) but we are not "close". But to the point of the tunnel, I predict if FSD was let loose in the tunnel right now it would constantly be breaking or go 2-3mph because it would probably have a hard time realizing the walls aren't in the way. Plus the view ahead isn't super far so FSD would proceed very slowly/brake a lot. But I'm sure they could figure out a way around that eventually and maybe the new bigger loop won't curve so much. But they'd probably come out better with trains on a larger loop with just as many stations.

@@OverlordActual I didn't directly answer the "is FSD ready" question because I haven't ever used it. I could have added it for $3000 when I bought my Model 3, and later they gave me an opportunity to add it for $2000, but I passed and don't regret it. I think the tunnels are a good place for FSD, or a modified version of it. Learning to recognize tunnels should be relatively trivial. All the vehicles will be communicating with each other, so they can negotiate merges and parking spaces without fear or hurt feelings. Their contract requires extensive testing of the automation before any passengers are allowed to ride, and I expect the drivers will continue to sit in the driver's seat for a while even with the car doing the actual driving. I did elect to get FSD for $7000 on my Cybertruck reservation. We'll see how close it is when I finally get my Cybertruck. I'm not in a big hurry.

and 8 min with a bike

And keep in mind that almost no one will go from from one station all the way to the other. Most people will travel to the convention center itself. That trip is only a 10-12 minute walk and a 1-2 min drive.

Not your money So quit crying

@@user-nw8jr1dk9p tell that to the people who live there lol. The fuck kind of response is that bootlicker.

@@KeeperOfTheSevenKeys. again, not your money . You're literally over here crying about how someone chooses to spend their money Or where to invest it on . Go do something else instead of whining Grow up omg

@@user-nw8jr1dk9p? You're the one whining that someone dare critize daddy Elon. Stop projecting because someone on the internet pointed out subways already exist lmao.

@@KeeperOfTheSevenKeys. no You're not criticizing elon, you are crying that he chose to spend his money the way he wants to . You are crying that he chose to spend it wherever he chose to spend it . "Waste of money" Lmao , as if it has anything to do with you. Go cry somewhere else little girl .

The plan for the Las Vegas Loop (51 stations, serving most casinos), is for The Boring Company to pay for the tunnels and the casinos to pay for the stations. TBC will collect passenger fares, and pay a tiny franchise fee (half a percent of the fares they collect) to the county. If they're very successful and hit a threshold of revenue in a quarter, the additional fares will pay out 5%.

They are currently required by local authorities to use human drivers.

The rides are free to convention goers.

Yes, but a lot of vehicles loading and leaving all the time, so you rarely have to wait like you do with a subway.

@@kevinbailey8827 yeah but subway can go faster and it will make up for the time I wait

@@lymer5 That isn't true. The average ride time in the LVCC Loop at CES was less than two minutes, and the average wait time was under 15 seconds. The Loop would have you to your destination before a subway train even arrived to pick you up. A subway CAN go faster than 45 miles per hour, but probably wouldn't be allowed to. Most subways travel at an average speed of about 18 mph. The stations in the LVCC loop are less than half a mile apart. And the subway has to stop at the center station. The loop has to slow down, but doesn't have to stop if the passengers don't want to get out there.