I SOLD My Sony ZV E1

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In today's video, I share my journey and experience with the Sony ZV-E1 camera. It seemed like a compact solution to meet my content creation needs, but unfortunately, it didn't quite live up to the hype. In this honest review, I highlight the reasons why the Sony ZV-E1 did not work out for me. Despite its impressive specs, the camera was a source of frustration, mostly due to its overheating issue.
I also share my experiences with this camera in different shooting scenarios, from podcast recordings to commercial shoots, and how its performance varied. You'll hear about my first-hand experience with this device's surprising inconsistencies and why I eventually sold it.
But it's not all negative! I'll also dive into why I was initially excited about this camera and its potential for content creation, especially given its dynamic range and the promise of a high-quality 4K via USB-C port. However, even these potential benefits were outweighed by the issues I encountered.
Toward the end, I'll give you a sneak peek into what I replaced the Sony ZV-E1 with. If you're curious about what camera now graces my equipment arsenal, stay tuned till the end. For those considering buying a Sony ZV-E1, this video might offer some insight and save you some potential disappointment.
Remember to hit subscribe if you haven't already, and leave a comment with your thoughts on the Sony ZV-E1. Do you own one? Have you experienced similar issues? Let's discuss!
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@RomaFedorov Год назад

I only shoot RU-vid videos with this camera, and it works perfectly for me. It has never once overheated on me in real-world scenarios. However, I don't shoot like you. I record my A-roll for around 30-40 minutes at most and capture bursts of B-roll clips that are not longer than 2 minutes. For what I do, this camera is perfect. The ZV-E1 is a content creation camera, which is why it fits me perfectly. I use it for what it was intended for. It seems like you're doing more professional work (which requires a different kind of camera) rather than creating content, which explains why the ZV-E1 didn't work for you. However, I still understand where you're coming from. Paying $2300 just to shoot RU-vid videos is expensive. Though, I think it's worth the price because of the fancy tech you're getting in a compact and easy-to-use package. There are also some workarounds for the overheating, such as buying a cheap mini fan from China and opening all the port doors. It's not ideal, but it can help in some scenarios. Regardless, I appreciate you sharing your honest experience with the ZV-E1. I hope you'll have better luck with the FX-30!

@JonRatzlaff 11 месяцев назад

Just used a ZV-E1 on a tv show outdoors in 106 degree heat shooting in 4k with no issues. I was really impressed with this little beast.

@Steger13 2 месяца назад

Not possible

@CaleMcCollough 16 дней назад

@@Steger13 Ulanzi has a $39 fan for the ZV-E1, Titla also has a higher end model, and other cameras that make it possible. A metal cage with 15mm rails will also help dissipate heat.The more metal the better TDP. The battery also gets very hot so you should use a V-Mount battery with dummy battery.

@DGvenix Год назад

Thank you so much for this review (you took a bullet for us by buying it !) Keep up the good work ! :)

@v3zMedia 7 месяцев назад

Crazy how that podcast you mentioned doing the production for has over 1 million subs now in less than 5 months. Insane Blow Up!

@marcuspersley Год назад

Thanks for sharing your experience with the camera. I was contemplating getting one because the a7Siii was still so expensive and doesn’t have all of the firmware updates the newer cams have

@petersuvara 11 месяцев назад

And it never will have a firmware update either unfortunately.

@AlexanderEskridge Год назад

I just picked up the E1 to complete my “mirrorless setup”. I paired it with my fx6 and fx3. No issues whatsoever. We were all over the place climate wise. I even used it as a BCam when I filmed with my Monstro on an 8HR shoot. No issues.

@DigiDriftZone 11 месяцев назад

I am back with a sun burn, spent 2 hours filming in 4k50 in direct sunlight, no issues at all! - the only thing I did was open all the doors (i.e. battery and side doors) and the LCD was facing me. In doors, in a 24c room, I tested 6.5 hours of continuous streaming over USB, the battery dropped from 100% to around 83% in this time, the camera didn't overheat but I got tired of waiting :)

@mex5341 9 месяцев назад

@DigiDriftZone 9 месяцев назад

@@mex5341 huh?

@mjmj3658 11 месяцев назад

Subscribed and supporting you! thanks for useful review!

@Technobby Год назад

Just bought ZV-E1 with 3rd party fan, I know it will be overheat from the get go. Yet, as I have tested it before, the video quality and feature blew my mind. Not to mentioned, the discounted price of $2K here. I'm using daily now without any overheat issue except 4K 120fps which I could record around 15minutes straight. P.S: I am using fan that I am compromised with compactness though 😅.

@edwardlin2941 11 месяцев назад

where did you get the 3rd pty fan? what‘s it called? thx!

@fpetru 6 месяцев назад

@@edwardlin2941 Ulanzi Fan

@ayantv1353 9 месяцев назад

Your a very talented and hardworking RU-vidr keep up the good work ❤

@jamskof Год назад

i just used it on a pro shot, shooting 4k , ran it on and off for 3 hours. 4k 25 and 4k 60. camera didnt even get hot. i feel you though, i too hae heard such random stories of no overheating in hot sun, and overheating in a fairly cool room.. from what i gather, airflow is a big thing, just a tiny breeze around the camera makesa massive difference

@Brandon_Cash Год назад

Welcome to the FX30 team! 😉👍

@RetiredPrivateInvestigator Год назад

I’ve had the FX30 for a week and look forward to seeing your thoughts and suggestions / tips. 👍

@QLFProductions Месяц назад

I own the ZV E1 and I had it over heat once in Florida at 85 degrees and I was shooting 120 fps and it lasted 10 min. Other than that, I wouldn't sell it. I knew what I was purchasing and it's a low light beast!!!!!

@MattisTheCreator 6 месяцев назад

I did the EXACT same thing! Bought the Sony ZV-E1 had it for a few days to about a week and i was over it. I know exactly what you mean about it just getting hot being turned on let alone recording so i too switched to the FX30 and have never been happier!

@abigailtamayo1227 10 месяцев назад

Woah! How did you get the video on your phone? :O love the vertical set up

@brianpark2564 10 месяцев назад

sorry to hear about that bro, i think if you had one of those custom back fans and recorded with a dummy battery the usb 4k might have been ok, but then it kind of defeats the purpose of a grab and go small run and gun form factor. one last thing, have you thought about getting a used a7siii instead of a fx30? bc those are workhorses too, the only downside is prob no focus breathing and no updates yet which we're all waiting for

@PowerGrindBoxing Год назад

What camera are you shooting this video on? I would love to see the settings!

@UncleStewTheOldManOnTheBlockTM 5 месяцев назад

you missed the fact there is a setting to stop over heating .. but i fully understand your argument.. new sub here

@jordanthomasgray Год назад

I wonder if the overheating could be a battery issue - my ZV-E10 overheats pretty fast if I charge it while recording

@runningintohistory Год назад

My RU-vid channel is my hobby but it does make me a little bit of money. I bought the ZV-E1 specifically because I do this as a hobby and can't justify spending the money on the a7s3 or the fx3. This camera has been perfect for the content I create and I have never had any overheating issues. So far I did two 30 min interviews, outdoors in 85 deg temps. I just finished an outdoor hiking video using this thing in the heat the entire weekend without any issues. I have the a73 for photography and have all full frame glass. I gave up APSC 15 years ago and not going back so the fx30 is out of the question. Particularly considering how clean low light shots are with the zve1 VS the fx30, (according to the videos comparisons I watched). I wish the zve1 had better weather sealing but that's about it. I am waiting on that fan coming out though just in case. Sounds like it will be around $100 for the cage and the fan when it is released.

@joecline__ Год назад

That’s awesome! I’ve definitely had similar experiences as your experiencing but then also not so similar experiences using the camera in the exact same way. Glad your getting a bang for your buck out of it though! 👏

@CaleMcCollough 16 дней назад

I've read mixed results about the Ulanzi and Tilta fan for ZV-E1, A6700, and a lot of models. From what Gerald Undone said he overheating tests were not consistent, which matches the reviews. You can add a metal cage with 15mm rails and a lot of metal to get better TDP. The battery also gets very hot and you should use a dummy battery with V-Mount battery.

@dagasancreative Год назад

I got my canon Eos r10 and recorded 1hr 40min in 1080p 60fps until it died cus small battery for only 1k. Haven't tested how much time I can get in 4k but I'm happy :).

@djangelramirezmpls 20 дней назад

I just bought it last month Did 2 weddings with it as a c gimbal camera No over heating at 24 4K I do short 60 got broll and no issues Im keeping mine but not as my a camera

@johnowens8530 9 месяцев назад

Do you think some of the firmware updates may have improved the overheating?

@tubazyoutuba 11 месяцев назад

czym było nagranie to video ? FX30

@trogdor Год назад

After shooting with it for about a day and a half and knew it wasn't for me. Being used to the build of more expensive cameras like the A7 and FX series, I really didn't like how this felt in my hand.

@nightdonutstudio 11 месяцев назад

Totally understand how frustrated that is. I really wonder if it is QC issue. I watched a video that a guy tested two zve1. Put side by side at same environment same setting. One overheat faster than the other. Every test he did shows the same.

@joecline__ 11 месяцев назад

Yes it’s so weriod. If I just knew when it would overheat, that would be better

@MatthewDavidTV Год назад

I was planning to buy one but its good that I saw your honest review, Im currently using a CanonM50 and Im planning to upgrade to the Fujifilm XS20 or the Sony A74, Can I get your recommendation on what should I get?

@joecline__ Год назад

I love this one! amzn.to/44eT6Mo

@digitalbread4574 Год назад

i just used the zv-e1 on a 2 day shoot 6 hour days, outside in the heat. filmed a pre wedding video. no over heating issues at all. also one of the days it was 80 plus, degrees. You just gotta know the limitations of the camera and use it for shoots it will work best in. Also i used it as a webcam. no issues, but i dropped it down to 1080p for the zoom call.

@Chris-ey7zy Год назад

And have backup camera

@trivacker 8 месяцев назад

I'm a travel vlogger and planning to shoot 4K 60p, 4:2:2 10 bit, max 200mbps with not more than 5 minutes per shoot and outdoor temperature around 32C/90F. Will that be okay for E1? Thanks!

@WhiteMic Год назад

I'd just personally recommend getting a used A7Siii for about $2600, it's a professional grade ZV-E1. It's a bummer that Sony allowed this to happen, hopefully something firmware can fix or at least help with. I think the heat build up is def in the battery area and the usb connection is probably adding to that heat. I've heard people say the same about the A7IV just giving the overheat warning while it's sitting and not recording, I wonder why that's occurring. I would def recommend anyone with the ZV-E1 put it in airplane mode and turn off anything in camera you don't actually need e.g. pre-af as well just to hopefully reduce some of the processing it's doing. It could also be a case by case thing, I know people who had a6300s overheat and I never experienced this at all. I'd be curious what results are when recording externally (HDMI ONLY, not SD Card) and seeing what it can do. Some have tested via HDMI but I think they leave on the internal recording when doing so. Strange.

@joecline__ Год назад

Yeah for sure! I would recomend the a7IV over this one all day. And yea I was actually getting overheating problems when having an HDMI plugged in that wasn't recording

@nightdonutstudio Год назад

a7sIII still sell for around $3000 used.

@socc3r7k1ng Год назад

@@nightdonutstudio you’re not considering other markets. In Dallas I can assure you it’s $2600.

@lvc394 Год назад

I used my ZV-E10 as one of the live stream cameras for an event. This was a 3 hour event and it was flawless. I would like to use the E1 but I can't depend to get the job done so I am waiting to see what the a6700 is going to look like. At the very least I will not have to buy new lenses for it. The E1 did not look like a fully baked product to me and Sony keeps dropping a new camera every 3 months with little support for the old stuff. For the most part I think the "E" in ZV-E seem to stand for Experimental for items that will be added to new produces. Don't be surprised if 120FPS is the last update you see for the ZV-E1.

@jammaschan 9 месяцев назад

The E stands for E mount lol. The ZV-1 and 1F are not interchangeable lens cameras. The E1 and E10 are E mount bodies.

@justinkd 10 месяцев назад

I was so sold on this camera but the fact that I film for like an hour - 2 hours at a time (in my room at a nice controlled temperature) worries me a lot and now I don’t know about it anymore. Currently now thinking the A7iv

@smallbizdigitalmedia 10 месяцев назад

A7CII?

@justinkd 9 месяцев назад

@@smallbizdigitalmedia that was another big option I was considering but ended up going with the zve1. From more research it seems like it should be okay for my room temperature

@CO8848_2 7 месяцев назад

It sounds like the battery may be the main problem? Did you try open the battery door through the podcast? Anyway, I am keeping mine and I have the zv-e10 for meetings, 1080p is good enough for the boss.

@181uplift3 11 месяцев назад

I have no issue with my ZVE1. I record for over an hour almost all the time. I think it will just get better. I have a canon r6 and I’ve head all the time that overheated and I have no issues doing that. I shoot talking head videos and documentaries. The other day I was in 90 degrees and shot for 30 minutes. Did I shoot longer no because I got what I needed and was done. I don’t let my cameras stay on long at all so maybe I’m lucky. Idk.

@trivacker 8 месяцев назад

I'm a travel vlogger and planning to shoot 4K 60p, 4:2:2 10 bit, max 200mbps with not more than 5 minutes per shoot and outdoor temperature around 32C/90F. Will that be okay for E1? Thanks!

@chickenandricecrew9867 9 месяцев назад

Have been using zv e1 for months now and have never over heated once. When I had the a7iv that over heated on me a couple times just going threw the menus and setting the camera up. I guess I'm just use to recording my clips and shutting the camera off right away never really leaving it on or on standby mode.

@mitchwayman1135 5 месяцев назад

I just returned my Sony ZV E1 after going to do 1 client video. Cooled environment, short format content. Overheated just staying on inbetween shots. I bought the A7Siii instead. I know the firmware updates are lacking, but the consistency and image quality and durability are tested and proven to hold up.

@johnlocke3481 6 месяцев назад

I’m curious if the Ulanzi cooling fan would keep it from overheating.

@AprilClayton 6 месяцев назад

I’m having an issue with Dynamic steady shot not working. It used to give nice walking shots. Now it’s really shaky. I don’t know if the firmware update had anything to do with it. Sony vs 3rd party lenses both look bad. I’ve never had this happen.

@jasenalapati665 6 месяцев назад

Greetings . Would the zve1 work for shooting music videos ?

@juandjo707 Год назад

Now I'm interested to hear how FX30 performs and if it meets your expectations.

@TechWandererYT 11 месяцев назад

If the FX30 wasn't APS-C, I'd insta jump on it.

@albey1816 9 месяцев назад

@@TechWandererYT - That's what the FX3's for.

6 месяцев назад

😅 I dont think so😅

@atolavisuals Год назад

Did you have the auto power off set on standard or high?

@joecline__ 11 месяцев назад

High

@DigiDriftZone 11 месяцев назад

@@joecline__ It was overheating after 6 minutes of not filming, just sitting on a tripod? - sounds like maybe you have a faulty one?

@joecline__ 11 месяцев назад

@@DigiDriftZone yes, I wish I was over exaggerating but unfortunately I’m not

@DigiDriftZone 11 месяцев назад

@@joecline__ That's shocking :(

@chip67art 10 месяцев назад

Good switch!

@Priyank741 10 месяцев назад

was the other Sony camera you couldn't mention is A7CII?

@thefullsetup Год назад

All of the Tilta zv-e1 cages have rear mounting points for their upcoming fan. Which basically turns it into an FX3 for when longer shoots are required.

@DSLRMAN01 Год назад

Tilta is making a fan for ZV-E1? Where can you find more info about it?

@OrrWeisbergReviews 4 месяца назад

i think some people got faulty units where they have more overheating warnings than others

@Ryukushin 11 месяцев назад

Hey man, my buddy told me if you turn off the wifi/bluetooth or whatever, it fixes the overheating while just being on. I know its too late but yeah, its weird i know

@FranciscoDK26 7 месяцев назад

I still have my old a7c. I wanted to improve my image quality so I bought the zve1. I used for a club aftermovie shot and then the next day I returned it for the same reason. It's a damn stove even without recording.

@taomenshuifilmstudio34 7 месяцев назад

Seems as though this would be a great Camera in Alaska , sorry to hear that this very well made Video Camera does not have an Internal Fan in it to manage the thermal heat...........Great review..........

@marklosentes7988 Год назад

did you update the firmware with the latest version?

@joecline__ Год назад

Yes I did

@mcewan-media 7 месяцев назад

It bugs me when i hear people band around the word 'professional' and 'content creation' they can be the same thing . I make social media videos sometimes for clients- anything from the games industry to the defence industry. Sometimes i hire a team with all the bells and whistles, sometimes i just stick my phone on a gimbal or use a smaller camera depending on time constraints, it's all about the budget and the time restraints. I would be quite happy using the ZV-E1 on a professional shoot, if it was just a quick one where i needed some nice Broll and maybe an interview or two for an exhibition stand or 'activation' .a 5 day conference however i might bring in a team with longform cameras, i might still use the ZV-E1 for capturing networking shots and the occasional interview if there was no time to wait.

@dpjohnjones432 11 месяцев назад

Congrats on the baby! Im experimenting with mine right now and trying to see what I can and cant do before the return period is up. If I cant get this work for my purposes then its going back and Im getting the FX30.

@jmackultra 10 месяцев назад

I got mine for around $1800 something to do travel and everyday video with but I'm gonna have to see if its as bad as you say

@InfiniteEyes369 5 месяцев назад

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@thefourthquarter7429 Год назад

That would be pretty frustrating and make me constantly question if the camera is a lemon. I can ss why you gave up on it. It's a real shame to, considering its quality footage and features.

@Chris-ey7zy Год назад

I love mine. But I have A7iv and fx30 so I don’t expect one camera to do it all

@joecline__ Год назад

100%. That’s also the way I feel.

@2cypress2 Год назад

What a coincidence, I bought the Fx30 (Sigma 18-50 2.8) in June and have used it for almost 2 months, because it is inconvenient to hold (I like to do handle paning freely but the Fx30 is too heavy; the Fx30 is used with the Dji RS 3mini but it is too troublesome) and a bit regret not buying the ZV-E1, but you are in the opposite situation. I was prefer ZV-E1 is much light, got the dynamtic active stabilization but after watch this video, it seems that the overheating problem is serious, I think I should keep the Fx30 rather than exchange the ZV-E1....

@joecline__ Год назад

I would just keep the FX30 and buy the 6700 if you can!

@2cypress2 Год назад

@@joecline__ Speedy reply😂😂a6700 is also look great with mechanical shutter more that Fx30 & ZV-E1. Do you think the dynamic active stabilization is unique enough to get the ZV-E1?

@joecline__ Год назад

@@2cypress2 yea it’s pretty dang good

@2cypress2 Год назад

@@joecline__ would it be easily overheat if i only take 1080p footage for rolling less then 15seconds each? becasue most tof the testing are foucs on 4k😂

@joecline__ Год назад

@@2cypress2 I don’t imagine that you would have any issues with 1080p

@BOXINGEGO 10 месяцев назад

Where did you sell it? As in what site did you use to list it? I have a ton of creator gear I must get rid of LOL

@Chris-ey7zy Год назад

Get a fan ?

@AmbercoolPhotography 11 месяцев назад

Honestly, cameras should not be overheating nowadays

@BertitoCreativeWorld Год назад

Don't worry bro I been subscribe 2:04

@BeersInJapan Год назад

Subbed

@MichaelBSteeleAviation Год назад

Damn, I’m looking for a full frame sony camera that does 4k 60p with little to no rolling shutter with the ability to use telephoto lens’s. I was hoping this was going to be it but I need to record in all environments without overheating. I didn’t want to spend FX3 money but it looks like I have no choice.

@joecline__ Год назад

Sounds like a6700 may be your friend

@MichaelBSteeleAviation Год назад

@@joecline__ Thanks for the recommendation but from the video’s I’ve seen it seems that the a6700 overheats in about 30ish minutes when recording at 4k 60p

@joecline__ Год назад

@@MichaelBSteeleAviation I don’t think that’s true. From the test that I’ve seen it doesn’t overheat at all. People have ran it until either the battery died or the card was full.

@aboy4364 7 месяцев назад

overheating is because of playback display if you change your display playback the problem may be solve

@reyhanrahadian 11 месяцев назад

Well the ZV-E1 does not build for that, (podcast, filmmaking, or any long period shooting in tripod). it is for Vlogging in fullframe, that what "V" in ZV stands for.

@olegkalinkin6877 Месяц назад

Your volume is a bit too high compared to other channels.

@jamskof Год назад

be wary though.. i have a friend with an fx3.. not 30, fx3.. and he got an overheating warning too.

@joecline__ Год назад

Hummm

@Slipsch Год назад

Cool that we can get licensed mainstream music

@joecline__ Год назад

Yea for sure!

@navpreetsingh8156 10 месяцев назад

I usually shoot 4k 50 for upto an hour but its just too much hassle with this camera, its useless outdoors in my opinion on a warm day in 4k

@user-qd3vu5do1s 10 месяцев назад

You have so many cameras.. why didn't you provide any evidence footage of ZV E1 getting overheated without even recording.. ?

@knofi7052 9 месяцев назад

You were right selling it, the Panasonic Lumix G9 II is much better! 😊

@wakeywarrior Год назад

The new Sony camera is the new APSC camera.

@Frameable 9 месяцев назад

I think you got bad copy 😅

@yemaneehaile Год назад

Where are you located?

@joecline__ Год назад

Dallas Fort Worth

@PhatsoJuggalo806 Год назад

@@joecline__ Makes sense, its hot as shit in Texas! I'm in Amarillo, and gets just as hot but y'all got that humidity

@joecline__ Год назад

@@PhatsoJuggalo806 yea crazy heat for sure

@truthseeker6804 Год назад

no one should waste their money and buy a $2000+ camera that cant record 4k 24/30 continuous no overheating. i said from the start the zve1 is overpriced. people who bought it are going to start selling when they get into contents that require alittle longer time. i said from the start. it shouldve launched to compete with the canon r8 that also overheats but at $1500.

@kr8s Год назад

Well fx30 and Linux S5 Mark ii both don't overheat

@CartyCantDance Год назад

This

@truthseeker6804 Год назад

@@kr8s s5ii is a good camera. Fx30 is apsc, People want full frame.

@kr8s Год назад

@@truthseeker6804 then get s5 mark I going for $800 excellent condition on used Market

@AlexanderEskridge Год назад

Then clearly you forgot about the R5 and A1 launches. My R5 and A1 still overheat to this day. I’ve had no overheating issues with the E1.

@jamskof Год назад

why on earth did you buy the camera?? its clearly not the right camera for you

@joecline__ Год назад

Haha I think it kinda is though it’s just to expensive. Reason why I say I that is because I definitely am concerned a content creator which is who this camera is for, I just happen to also shoot on professional gigs as well

@1QpVision Год назад

Time to sell the FX30 for the A6700

@joecline__ Год назад

🫣

@angwk 9 месяцев назад

Right decision to sell this amateur toy.

@HermanMarte Год назад

This is not what you buy this camera is for 🤦🏻‍♂️ this is for anyone that’s wants a a7Siii for 2,300 and will be shooting clips or 5-15 minutes max at a time even Sony tells you how long you can shoot before overheating. I can’t tell you how many videos I’ve seen of people buying this camera that have no business buying it, one guy I saw the other day sold his FX3 and bought this camera 😆 and was complaining about it overheating. Every reviewer said the same thing, this is not a camera to set and a tripod and just record for a hour. You have to stop buying gear just cause it’s the new shiny thing, buy what you need when you need it and you should not have to upgrade for years.

@joecline__ Год назад

Disagreed like I said it overheated as just a webcam so…

@Johnstath 3 месяца назад

I'm Sorry for you...Very bad choice , regrettable. There are no overheating issues... yes it does get warm but nothing tremendous... Why the hell anyone would need 4k on zoom xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

@CartyCantDance Год назад

The zv-e1 was dead on arrival. Besides the price, overheating is unacceptable for ANY camera brand (looking at you canon). The fx30, lumix s5ii, and even the a7C(8bit and all) are better options. If image quality is the criteria: Older cine cameras Black magic pocket cameras Even the original lumix s5 is around $1k now. I’ll say it again, dead on arrival.